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in early 2022, she checked into a hospital while grieving the death of her third son shane. at 51, o'connor converted to islam, covering her trademark shaved head with a hijab. but she continued performing her music, reflecting upon a lifetime of struggles. ♪ i don't want to waste the life god gave me ♪ ♪ and i don't think that it's too late to save me ♪ ♪ it's not too late ♪ >> thank stephanie for that. and to our viewers, thanks so much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer. be sure to tune in tomorrow with my interview with benjamin netanyahu. that's at 5:00 p.m. eastern. "erin burnett outfront" starts "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com "outfront" next, disaster in court. hunter biden's plea deal put on hold by a federal judge who questioned whether parts of the deal are even constitutional.
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what happens now? plus, the senate minority leader appears to freeze as holding a press conference. a woman who worked for serial killer suspect rex heuermann speaks out, saying he used to brag about skinning animals and blushed when other women were in the room. let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, a debacle. a federal judge catching the president's son and his legal team completely off guard, blowing up his deal with the trump-appointed prosecutor. hunter biden walked into court this morning thinking it was fait accompli, this was easy, this was an open and shut, he'd be walking out with a plea deal. the deal, he would be spared jail time for illegal possession of a gun in exchange for pleading guilty to two misdemeanor tax charges. but that is not what happened in. a move that clearly stunned both the biden team and prosecutors, the judge called the deal into
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question, even saying, well, is it even constitutional? cnn was inside the courtroom during the hearing. biden was seen looking down as a prosecutor was detailing his personal struggl, his earnings, his tax troubles. but then the deal started to collapse and at that point it became clear that biden was blindsided. he appeared agitated and worried, according to our reporter who's saw him in the room. his brow furrowed as he huddled with his lawyers. how in the world did it get to this point? and you walk into a room, this is when everything's already done and agreed to, and this just is pushing paper. but how did hunter biden and the doj not see this coming, not foresee that a judge could have serious questions about the deal? and republicans on capitol hill are having a field day with this stunning development, further fueling the conspiracy theories they have about the doj being biased and working for the biden white house. >> it collapsed because it was a sweetheart deal from a family
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that is being protected. hunter biden being the main character. >> hunter biden is getting a sweetheart deal that no other american who wasn't rich and had a father as a president would ever get ever. >> if you believe the whistle-blowers and what they're saying, no, this was a sweetheart deal, it was corrupt in terms of how it was handled. >> well, this comes as there are growing calls from republicans to begin impeachment proceedings against president biden himself. >> the president will definitely be impeached? >> it's looking that way, it's not looking good for the president. >> but -- >> this is rising to the level of impeachment inquiry. >> sara murray is "outfront" live in washington. as i said, you go in fait accompli, open and shut. and, wow, what happens now? >> reporter: erin, it was quite a day of twists and turns in this courtroom. as you said, very unusual for something like this to happen when they go in with a plea
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agreement. but the judge made clear that she wants more information about sort of the legal structure of this agreement. she also wants to be very clear on what exactly hunter's plea bargain would include. she's giving both sides 30 days to brief her on some of the issues. but this was clearly not the day in court that any of the parties were expecting. >> reporter: tumultuous day in federal court. hunter biden left with no plea deal. after a federal judge said she was not ready to accept it. president joe biden's son arrived at federal court today prepared to plead guilty to two misdemeanor tax charges, and to strike a deal to avoid a felony gun charge. after a five-year justice department probe that hunter biden once predicted he would emerge from unscathed. >> i am absolutely certain, 100% certain that, at the end of the investigation, that i will be cleared of any wrongdoing. >> reporter: instead, the judge,
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a trump appointee, wanted to know if the investigation was over. prosecutors told her it was ongoing. then the two sides could not agree if hunter biden was at risk of additional charges if he took this deal. with that, the deal was derailed. eventually, hunter biden's team agreed he was not shielded from further charges, and the deal seemed, for a moment, back on track. but then the judge raised questions about the gun deal. is this even constitutional, she asked. and she said she was not ready to sign off on the deal. the hearing ended with hunter biden in a pro forma move, pleading not guilty. the courtroom drama providing another opening for republican lawmakers who slammed the plea agreement. >> at least there's some scrutiny going on. the plea deal we saw as it started, was garbage. >> no other american who wasn't rich or had a father as a president would ever get this. >> reporter: after two irs whistle-blower who's worked on the case claimed there was political interference dating
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back to the trump administration and continuing under the biden administration. >> there should not be a two-track justice system. >> reporter: the white house today reiterating that the president stands by his son, but played no role in the investigation. >> this case was handled independently, as all of you know, by the justice department under the leadership of a prosecutor appointed by the former president, president trump. >> reporter: the plea deal was set to cover hunter biden's tax transgressions over a five-year span, his drug issues and his firearm possession charge. prosecutors say hunter biden failed to pay between 1.1 and $1.5 million in federal taxes. they highlighted his substantial income from ukrainian and chinese energy companies, saying, he did in fact have the funds available to pay his taxes in certain years, but he failed to do so. instead, prosecutors say he spent wildly on personal luxuries and expenses. now our team in the courtroom today said the judge did address
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hunter biden at the end of this wild hearing, acknowledging, i know you wanted to resolve this, saying, i'm sorry, but saying that she has to be careful in her handling of this. so it's very clear, erin, at least for now, hunter biden's legal woes are certainly not over, and neither are his political woes. >> absolutely, sara, thank you very much. now let's bring in ryan goodman, former special counsel of the defense department. laura coates, former federal prosecutor. and the former republican congressman adam kinzinger. usually these are rubber-stamp moments. everyone's got their ts crossed and is dotted. have you ever seen a plea deal fall apart like this? >> in this way, absolutely not. in fact, it's so common to have plea colloquies when you go through essentially what the defendant is giving up, you ensure the person is fully aware and knowledgeable about what
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they are signing off on. the attorneys go to great lengths to make sure that this plea colloquy moment goes very smoothly. why? to avoid a debacle such as this. but it seems very clear that it was not entirely clear, the one thing that was really the end all be all for a case like this, in part, which is would this cover any future prosecution, did he essentially have a kind of immunity in which he would ano not be privy to prosecution in the future. the full scope of the plea was not articulated in a clear enough way for a judge to note. one most are additional point here. normally a judge is not involved in what's called a pre-indictment diversionary program where they say, look, you stay on the up and up, you agree to our terms and we're not going to actually charge you with a crime, but we reserve the right to do so in. this instance, it appears they were asking for the judge to sign off on that and be part of
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a group that decides whether or not hunter biden actually has abided by those terms. that's the irregularity that she was pointing to. this entire thing was absurd. >> i want to ask more about this issue of the further investigations in a moment. but, ryan, she also raised the judge, this issue of constitutionality, asking whether the agreement about hunter biden's gun offense was even constitutional. it was a very specific, was this the right article that she could oversee. was she right to raise that concern? >> absolutely. there does seem to be an irregularity in this agreement. i call it an anomaly. the diversionary program is to set hunter biden up as any defendant would be into something like a rehabilitation program. but if he breaks the conditions for being in that program, then it could trigger a reprosecution, which he could be then sentenced. but that is an executive branch decision. it's a prosecutorial decision. what did the agreement say?
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it said that it would be up to the judge to make that decision. she's saying, wait a minute, this is a separation of powers issue, i don't know that this is constitutional to put me in that role. >> which is amazing if it seems so clear to so many that this was an issue, that they would walk in, again, into that room, laura, and not have seen it themselves. i mean, i don't know whether lazy is the right word? i don't know what happened, but it seems bizarre to me. congressman, republicans have been making the argument that this plea deal was unfair. now the fact that it's unraveling so spectacularly, they are seizing on that to make their point, calling it a sweetheart deal that wouldn't be available to other people, and saying that that's why it unraveled. does the collapse of the agreement give more fuel to that republican fire? >> yeah. i mean, definitely gives them more fuel. and i think it's unfortunate because the conspiracies that have come out of some of my former colleagues about the doj and weaponizing the doj is
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ironic, particularly because the former president of the united states talks constantly about weaponizing the doj for his own ends. he tried to fire the acting attorney general to put in his guy that's going to go in and question the election. so, yeah, i do think this definitely will help -- i don't know if it's necessarily going to turn any minds in the middle or any currently democrats, but i think it will kind of embolden their argument. you already hear it, they're all saying sweetheart deals. here's a little inside thing. we get all these little words and things we have to say. so whoever was sending out the talking points underlined sweetheart deal. >> laura, now the point you raise about other investigations into hunter biden and what role they played here. part of the reason this collapsed, in part, was because federal prosecutors said, they confirmed when she asked, is this investigation over, they said it remains ongoing, which
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suggests that there could be other prosecution possible on other issues. investigation's still ongoing. what kind of offenses are we talking about here? >> well, that's the bizarre aspect of this that you would not have contemplated and negotiated a full 360 deal that essentially said, look, this is going to close this matter and any other matters, although a prosecutor does not have to give you a lifetime of immunity, so to speak, and say because you have a plea in one context, you will never be prosecuted in the future for any other offense that might either be arising out of this claim, which would be abnormal, or one that you might otherwise commit. >> that would be a sweetheart deal. >> but let me just, on that very point, erin, when i hear all the political talking points, it seems to suggest that this judge was somehow trying to throw the book at the prosecution. because she didn't approve of the leniency involved in the actual deal. no, she was concerned of that separation of powers and having a role almost as a third party to an agreement between the prosecution and the defense.
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and she wanted to understand, it seems to be, that as any other defendant ought to have the right to know what are you signing up for, you are giving up an enormous amount of rights when you say you're going to plead guilty. you don't have the same appellate rights, you don't have a jury of your peers. to suggest that somehow this judge was giving an ata boy to the talking points that say, see, she also does not like the hunter biden deal. that's not actually what the discussion really was about. >> ryan, what do you think these other offenses we're talking about here? obviously the broader context, there's a lot swirling around, the payments from burisma and the allegations from the chief. cnn's done extensive reporting on that as well. what are we talking about, other investigations? >> difficult to know. but the judge did speculate in open court that it could be that hunter biden was acting as an unregistered agent of a foreign
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actor, a foreign power. it could be a foreign party or a foreign government. that is something that could be part of an ongoing investigation that's not related to tax crimes, it's not related to gun crimes and it's not related to drug crimes. it seems highly plausible that that might be some kind of issue that is still under investigation by the justice department. they seem to be saying that there clearly is something there. >> and, of course, congressman, that's what leads to the continued drum beat about the president. the white house calls this entire case a personal matter. president biden stayed out of public view today. but, obviously, these developments on hunter biden come as republicans have been escalating threats to impeach president biden. so does the collapse of this deal, do you think it moves the needle for moderate republicans who have been loath to go along with that rhetoric so far to now jump on board? >> so, it gives them an excuse. when you're in that -- i was in that position many times as kind of the moderate, i guess.
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the temptation is to look for a reason to say, hey, i'm still a reasonable person, however, this is now causing me to reconsider. this can give ammo to that. the bigger picture is, look, this is not a case against joe biden, this is a case against his son. there are accusations surrounded by the president, but no more. and an impeachment inquiry is not just a fact-finding mission, it is a serious thing. but i said back in january that they would impeach joe biden simply because the pressure is going to be so great on other news networks, and in the base to do that. so i think they're going to find any excuse to get there. i certainly hope some of my former colleagues that are more sane and reasonable understand that this is really bad for the country. >> thank you all very much. i appreciate it. and, next, also on capitol hill, the minority leader mitch mcconnell just speaking to reporters after appearing to freeze mid-sentence during a news conference earlier today. he would not say if he had spoken to a doctor. so what could have caused it?
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our dr. reiner is next along with dana bash. plus, top officials from north korea, china and russia all gathered together tonight to celebrate nuclear power in north korea. and also inmates at the prison where the suspected gilgo beach serial killer is being held are reportedly making threats should rex heuermann be released into the general population. the sheriff who oversees that jail is "outfront" tonight. when migraine strikes, you're faced with a choice. ride it out with the tradeoffs of treating? or push through the pain and symptoms? one dose works fast to eminate migraine pain. treat it anytime, anywhere without worrying where you are or if it's too late. do not take with strong cyp3a4 inhibitors. allergic reactions to ubrelvy can happen. most common side effects were nausea and sleepiness.
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tonight, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell speaking out about a health scare earlier today where he froze for about 30 seconds during a news conference. here's what he just told reporters. >> the president called to check on me. i told him i got sandbagged. >> how are you feeling now, sir? >> i'm fine. >> have you seen a doctor? >> any idea what happened? >> i'm fine. >> dehydrated? >> got to watch those sandbags. >> thank you, senator. >> senator, did you talk to a doctor today? >> we're good. thank you. >> sandbag, of course, was a reference to joe biden at his commencement address that mcconnell was making. but here's what happened to mcconnell earlier today. >> we're on a path to finishing the nea this week. it's been good bipartisan
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cooperation and a string of, uh - - anything else you want to say? do you want to say anything else to the press? >> let's go back. >> go ahead, john. >> so, this is -- we're coming up on the one-year anniversary of the ira. >> all right. so, it is obviously hard to watch. it was a press conference. "outfront" now, dr. jonathan reiner, cnn medical analyst and cardiologist who advised the white house medical team under
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president george w. bush. along with dana bash, anchor of "inside politics" and a longtime -- you've covered mcconnell for many years. an aide says mcconnell felt lightheaded and stepped away for a moment. that video is hard to watch. he stares off. he's not blinking more than 20 seconds past. obviously, this is a crucial individual. what stands out to you? >> well, first of all, you're right, it's very difficult to watch somebody have an acute event. and i think what senator mcconnell had was an acute neurological event. he had a concussion four months ago, which is basically a traumatic brain injury. and about 10% of people who need to be hospitalized for a traumatic brain injury, like senator mcconnell, will suffer from a post-concussion seizure. and i think that's what we watched. the staring straight ahead was really very, very stark and actually very difficult to
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watch. and i think he had the kind of seizure that is sometimes called an epson seizure. i was glad to see him recover and be able to talk to the press about ten minutes later, and then this evening he even looked better. so that's good news. but, to me, it looked like he had a seizure. >> how serious is an event like that, doctor? >> well, the other striking thing about watching senator mcconnell is that he looks so frail now. until about a year ago, until about six months ago, senator mcconnell was this really vibrant presence. now he looked almost deflated and very, very fragile. his injury has really taken a toll. and that's what happens when older people, senator mcconnell is 81 years old, when older people have a traumatic injury, a fall, this is sometimes the consequence. they come out of it maybe not the same person. >> you've covered mcconnell for years. what are you hearing from your sources tonight?
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>> i spoke to somebody who spoke privately to the republican leader not long after that incident. he insisted in private, just as he has done along with his aides in public, that he was fine. he did, as dr. reiner said, come back to the microphones, he kept his schedule for the rest of the day. they might even be in votes tonight. they're waiting to see if there's a deal on the defense bill. i was told that he has a dinner that he's still intending to attend this evening. but you can definitely see the fear, obviously not just for senator mcconnell but the republican leaders who were standing around him. they obviously wanted to give him a moment because they didn't know what was happening. but then they finally realized this is a time when we need to move him away from the cameras. yes, he is older and he has been vibrant. but he is also somebody who
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suffered from polio when he was a young boy, and he is not somebody who has always skipped down the hallway. so, yes, you see a bit of a difference there, but not a huge difference, at least to the untrained eye, compared to what dr. reiner would see. >> and, dr. reiner, mcconnell did continue his work day after the incident. dana mentioned he voted and maybe even will vote tonight. you heard whether he went to see a doctor. he didn't answer. obviously that doesn't mean he didn't. i'm sure a call was made. i can't imagine one was not. but, again, in the context of what you're describing what you think it was, is this something that would, you know, impact his ability to do his job or not, or have more serious consequences? >> well, i think it speaks to the intensity of the injury that he had in march.
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he was in the hospital for several days, and then he went to rehab for a couple of weeks. and he didn't return, i think, to the senate for about six weeks. and that really is a long absence after a concussion. so i think we really know that he had quite a severe injury back in march. but as for how he would be evaluated now, i think it depends on whether he's had this episode before. if this episode has happened in the weeks and months after the event, and it's been investigated already, which would typically be with fuel neurologic and mri and ct scan, then there might not be a reason to repeat it now. but if this is the first time where he stopped in mid-sentence staring into space for almost a minute, then this would really require a full neurologic exam and imaging today. >> so, dana, what does this mean for his future?
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>> well, in the short term, nothing, if you believe what he said, obviously making a point to go out to the cameras, to make a joke after he spoke to the president, as you said, the sandbag joke. that was kind of an 81-year-old to an 80-year-old something really bad happened in front of the cameras, very inside joke. but the fact that he's trying to, and his aides are trying to intentionally say that he's okay means that he has no intention of changing anything, at least in the near term. just by re-election numbers, he's not up until 2026. so he's got several years, and he absolutely has been determined to try to win back enough seats finally in the united states senate to become majority leader again. and i haven't gotten any indication that that changed today. >> all right. thank you both very much.
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tonight, north korea, russia and china together in pyongyang, delegations of the highest
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level, including general sergei shoigu, russia's defense minister, arriving in north korea where kim jong un is about to put on a massive military parade to broadcast his nuclear prowess. all of this coming as tensions are rising between north korea and the united states and the fate of that u.s. soldier who crossed into north korea is unclear. will ripley is "outfront." >> reporter: a massive show of force in the north korean capital. pyongyang marking 70 years since the end of the korean war. a time for north korean leader kim jong un to project nuclear power, with a powerful patron-signaling support. china setting its highest-level delegations in north korea since 2019, the first since covid restrictions plunged the secretive state into near total isolation, led by a senior communist party official with close ties to president xi jinping. russian president vladimir putin sending his defense minister to north korea, a visit to strengthen russian/north korean
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military ties, the ministry says. two high-level visits by russia and china coming at a crucial time for kim's regime, rapidly rising tensions with the u.s., north korea's longest-ever icbm test. a barrage of ballistic and cruise missile launches. a rare stopover in south korea by a nuclear-capable u.s. submarine. and one week ago an american soldier's surprise sprint into north korea. u.s. army private travis king, the first active duty u.s. service member to cross the heavily armed border in more than 40 years. >> the korean dmz is one of the most heavily fortified border areas in the world. that's the reason why you have barricades and spike strips and all of these military checkpoints to try to prevent people from being able to go in or come out. >> reporter: i've made several trips to the north korean side of the dmz, including this visit in 2015. is there a real danger here of something breaking out?
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>> translator: yes. >> reporter: that ominous exchange with a north korean soldier came true last week. a u.s. soldier sprinting across the military demarcation line during a tour of the heavily armed joint security area. clearly we're in a very difficult and complex situation. >> reporter: a situation some say should never have happened. private king was being sent home to be booted from the army. he spent almost 50 days in a south korean jail for assault. but somehow managed to join a tour group visiting the dmz. king's name on a passenger manifest approved by the united nations command. how could that person's name in any situation be allowed to actually get so close where they can run across into north korea? >> that ongoing inquiry seeks to establish details such as those. >> reporter: the state department says north korea acknowledged receiving notification. radio silence ever since.
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his future in north korean captivity, unknown. what we do know, erin, is that that soldier is likely very low on kim jong un's priority list right now. he just met with russia's defense minister. we know north korea has a stockpile of artillery maybe for sale, maybe they're talking to the russians about that. of course they have this huge chinese delegation in town as well. there are banquets. there's going to be this big military spectacle in the streets of pyongyang likely in the overnight hours here. and north korea sitting pretty, the elite sitting pretty in pyongyang, getting things that they need. borders re-opening. no need to talk to the united states about this soldier. >> all right. thank you very much, will ripley. and i want to go now to samantha power, the administrator for the u.s. agency for international development. also the former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. and she just returned from ukraine. administrator, i want to talk to you about ukraine and your most recent visit in just a moment.
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but first on the back of will's reporting these high-level leaders from kim jong un and north korea coming as that letter is handed from general shoigu. when you put all this together, do you think china is backing putin more than ever? >> well, i think just panning out from one moment in time in a very isolated country where russia is establishing its popularity. russia's also convening an africa leaders summit not too long in the next week where attendance at that summit has plummeted from the last time that it tried to convene african leaders i think 16 or 17 leaders will attend. last time, 43. when president biden extended invitations to african leaders, all who were invited attended,
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49 leaders. so, russia's isolation actually is, i think, not getting addressed by mass disinformation in the global south by visits like this that try to play up the allies he has left. with regard to the prc, obviously we engage the prc and would find it deeply problematic, as would so many countries in the global south, if military assistance were provided. but right now, again, our focus is to solidify and maintain the solid allied coalition that has existed since the beginning of the full-scale invasion. and you see in the wake of russia's really horrific, devastating decision to pull out of the black sea grain initiative real revultion in a lot of developing countries. and the prc is very mindful of what public opinion indicates. they are one of the major recipients of wheat that had
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been coming from ukraine from the black sea. we're hopeful that in the dialogue that exists in north korea and everyplace else, that beijing is raising its voice and its concern over what putin is doing. i would note also that when putin struck odesa in the wake of my visit there, it was actually the chinese consulate that shook and itself was damaged in those strikes. so, there's a lot to talk about. >> right. and certainly that was very notable. that was something that a resident of the port city of odesa, a frequent guest on this show, wrote about when he was writing about the strikes that he is living through day after day and right now. you point out that regarding this grain deal, ukraine is crucial. and it is,t'one of the world's largest supplis grain, corn, wheat, everything. it was known as the bread basket of the former ussr for a reason. the world food program gets 80% of its grain from ukraine.
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and michael also wrote, a combination from a body such as unesco have become a customary response to russian aggression. words don't rappel missiles the way patriots do. do you support more patriot missiles now as a way to provide security to odesa, to provide security for this food that the world so desperately needs? >> i met with president zelenskyy the day after actually the most severe strikes on odesa and the day after i had been in odesa myself. and we discussed a variety of ways of defending a city that had actually been relative to other ukrainian cities relatively immune to the kind of bombardment and missile strikes, in part, because of this u.n. brokered deal, it offered a kind of collateral protection, it seems. you saw earlier this week the united states announce a new drawdown, a new security assistance package, i've just been up on capitol hill all day
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today, engaging senators about our next request for additional resources on the civilian side, which of course will be coupled with security assistance. so the last thing i'm going to do on behalf of president biden is preview where that assistance will go. but it's very clear that now that odesa's a target that thinking collectively among allies and partners to ukraine about what the next step is, is very important. and i would say that out of the vilnius summit, the ukraine/nato council was created and actually had an emergency meeting this week in light of russia's decision to pull out of the black sea grain initiative to discuss what additional defenses are needed. >> and, administrator, because of your specific view on this right now in your role, how worried are you about a full-scale global food crisis if russia continues these attacks and forces the blockade and stops that grain? >> i'm really worried. wheat prices are up as of midday
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today. they were up by 10% since russia pulled out. but i am not only worried. we are working with the ukrainians to look to diversify their export routes. and, indeed, you've probably heard about working by rail, river, road, the danube river ports have increased from 3 million metric tons a year to just shy of 3 million metric tons a month, actually leaving ukraine. so we're not going to sit idle and wait for putin to change his mind. i do think this africa leaders summit that he's convening hopefully african leaders will try to press him to go back to the deal given the stakes among the poorest of the poor communities in the world. but we are going to have to compensate in some fashion as more hungry people are created by putin's decision to weaponize food and to try to destroy the ukrainian economy. >> administrator power, thank you very much. i appreciate your time tonight. >> thanks, erin. and, next, disturbing new details emerging about the suspect in the gilgo beach
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tonight, a woman who worked for the suspected gilgo beach serial killer is speaking out. revealing that rex heuermann, who's charged with three mde so far, liked to sreraphic details about butchering animals he hunted down saying, quote, more than once he gleefully described the process. he would also blush at the sight of female staff, according to shell, who will be my guest tomorrow night. but this coming as the long island town that heuermann lives in is reportedly looking to buy his home. he purchased it in 1994 for 1 $170,000. the estimated value now on zillow is $635,000. heuermann may never see it again. authorities continue to go through the massive amount of evidence that they found there. and that's how they describe it as massive. joining me now the suffolk
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county sheriff. rex heuermann is being held in that suffolk county jail tonight. i'm glad to have you back. a few days ago when you and i spoke, you had seen heuermann yourself on three occasions. have you seen him again since we last spoke? and, if so, is there anything you can share with us about that interaction? >> well, now mr. heuermann is out of protocol. so now he's able to engage in normal services that any inmate in our facilitate can engage in. he has participated in yard. he is receiving mail. he's making phone calls. and, so, he's acclimating, i guess, to the best of his ability, to his new confinement. >> have you been able to speak to him again in any way, or not at this point? >> you know, i have spoken to him and introduced myself. i am the sheriff of the jail and i speak to all the inmates that are in our custody as i'm making
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tours. it was very nondescript. there was nothing unusual about the conversation. it was just that, yes, he's been interacting with my staff and speaking to my staff regarding various things. he has been watching television. i don't know what he's been watching. he's not been reading anything, no periodicals, no newspapers. and, so, it's really -- for us, it's status quo and standard operating business with a regular inmate in our custody. of course he's a little different because of the crime that he's accused of committing. >> you mentioned that calls, also mail. is there anything you can tell us about that? is all of that coming from media organizations? or are there members of his family or other personal interactions that he's having through either of those means of communication? >> the calls are outgoing calls. so, there's no incoming calls to
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him. and, so, we do not monitor who he's calling whenever he's going to make a phone call. and the mail, the mail is -- his legal mail is never searched. but his other mail will be checked to make sure there's no contraband. but it's not being read. >> so, obviously, okay, this may surprise some that you're not monitoring who he calls, you're not reading the mail. these are the rules, these are the procedures and that they extend to him as well as to other inmates. i know your plan when you and i had last spoken was to move him to the general population. and you mentioned he's participating in yard. does that mean that's happened? is he now interacting with other prisoners in a normal way and with them in yard and other things? >> no. his recreation hours are solely for himself. we do not have him interacting with anyone else in the general population for his protection and also the protection of the
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other inmates and of course my staff. >> so, correction officials in your jail, i know, have been also grilling other sex workers as they are booked there about any past run-ins with heuermann. has anything come from those we have two females that were formerly in our custody. they said they've come across. this just came to my desk when i was notified maybe an hour ago. this still has to be vetted. one of the things we were concerned about when we did start interviewing was an influx of people saying they have met him and have interacted with him and not necessarily being true because maybe they want their 15 minutes of fame. so my staff is really going to vet these additional females to see if they actually did come in contact with him and then see what that contact was and see if that can lead us in any other
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possible direction. >> which i understand completely that you would want to do that are there any details about the women, whether it was true or not? any details that stand out? i imagine just to confirm that they are sex workers? >> they are sex workers. it was one of the first things i asked. i wanted to know their height, their ethnicity just to see if they fit in the general framework of what the victims were. they are a little older now. they're not younger sex workers. that's why it's very important for my staff to actually vet through an investigation what they're saying about their possible interaction with him, just to validate their statements. >> all right. well, sheriff, i appreciate your time. as always, thank you. >> thank you for having me on. >> good to see you again. >> and next, former officials testifying that the u.s.
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government is not being up front about ufos and, quote, non-human pilot or aliens. and the music world has lost a powerful voice, sinead, a powerful english singer has died .
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tonight former officials declaring under oath for the first time that the u.s. government is in possession of ufos and non-human pilots. as one congressman put it, quote, alien bodies. >> has any of the activity been aggressive? >> i know of multiple colleagues of mine that got physically injured. >> you said the government has
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alien bodies. i have to be careful. have you seen any of the bodies? >> that's not something i witnessed myself. >> biologics came for these. >> it's kind of unbelievable, what they're saying. come foreman is "outfront." >> we don't know what and we ought to be concerned! >> we were primarily seeing dark gray or black cubes inside of a clear sphere. >> that was was message from all the witnesses about unidentified phenomenon. >> do you believe uaps were a threat to our national security? >> yes. you're talking about something that can go in space, drop down in a matter of seconds, do
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whatever it wants and leave and there's nothing we can do about it. >> back to video on what is commonly called ufo, the two navy men and former intelligence officers described mysterious somethings with astonishing abilities. >> these objects accelerate to supersonic speeds. they would do so in very erratic and quick behaviors that i don't have an explanation for. >> and when the witnesses started talking about what they claimed they'd been told it went even furthers are albeit with no proof in tro. >> he said the government has alien bodies or alien species
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with no proof. >> and others are accusing the government of a coverup while others, like the witnesses, are calling for more open reporting procedures to anyone asking anything money. >> we can't be afraid of asking questions and we can't be afraid of the truth. >> this was a red letter day for true believers out there. people who really believe there are things in the sky are very excited about the testimony. we don't really know what they saw and what is science and what is fiction. erin. >> all right, tom. thank you very much. and next, sinead o'connor, the gifted singer who didn't shy away from controversy sadly has died at the age of 56.
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tonight irish singer sinead o'connor has died. she was only 56. she was of course perhaps known for this. ♪ cuz nothing compares, nothing compares to you ♪ that iconic video sent her career to new heights, but fame did not grant her immunity from suffering. she was open about struggles with addiction and mental health and she was distraught after the death of her 17-year-old son by suicide last year. the cause of death is not publicly known tonight. thanks for joining