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tonight irish singer sinead o'connor has died. she was only 56. she was of course perhaps known for this. ♪ cuz nothing compares, nothing compares to you ♪ that iconic video sent her career to new heights, but fame did not grant her immunity from suffering. she was open about struggles with addiction and mental health and she was distraught after the death of her 17-year-old son by suicide last year. the cause of death is not publicly known tonight. thanks for joining us.
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"ac 360 starts now." >> and struggling testimony about ufos and i'll talk to a navy pilot about her experience that no one can explain. and ron desantis explains his new curriculum. good evening, hunter biden went to court with a plea deal already agreed upon between attorneys and prosecutors. if all went according to agreement, he would be the first son of the u.s. sitting president to walk into a courthouse and plead guilty to a crime. he would admit to two misdemeanors for not paying federal taxes on time in two calendar years and would enter into a deal to a felony gun charge. the republicans have characterize this as a sweetheart deal, trying to block it and trying to tie his dealings to his father. today in court all that was needed was the approval of the judge for the deal and that's where everything began to
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unravel. once the federal judge began to question the provisions, including one about immunity from future prosecutions. explain why the judge rejected the deal. >> reporter: hey, anderson. the judge asked what the exact scope of this would include, what kind of immunity would hunter biden get. she kept peppering the prosecutors for maybe not registering as a foreign agent because of his business deal overseas. his lawyer said, no, that would not cover it. he said they thought that would be the deal. initially both sides called it off but then biden's lawyers asked for more time to work it out. they both came back and biden's lawyer said they would agreed to the terms of prosecution laid out. it looked like things were back
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on track and they got to this gun diversion charge and the judge raised questions about the constitutionality of that charge saying she wasn't prepared at the time to sign off of that and she wanted to hear more from both sides. both wanted them to firm that up as well as the question of a gun diversion charge. >> so what happens now? >> now the judge has asked the sides for briefing. she's given them 30 days to come back with a firmer deal as well as their legal argument about why this would be constitutional, the judge raising questions on the gun diversion about why an agreement between the prosecution and defendant would involve a federal judge and she wasn't prepared to sign off on it on the fly. >> what was hunter biden's demeanor on this? >> when they thought everything was going to plan, he went over
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and shook the hands of the prosecutors. but when it was unclear the deal would go through, he started to look more anxious, more worried about whether this was going to pan out. and he was huddling with his attorneys. at times one of my colleagues had a close look and could see that hunter biden's brow was furroughed. >> what more do we no about the judge in the case? >> this judge was appointed by trump but unanimously confirmed by the senate. she has made political donations to both parties. and before she was appointed to the bench in i think it was 2018, she was a patent lawyer here in delaware. so she has had a number of cases under her belt for the past several years on the bench and someone that, you know, was supported by both democrats and republicans. so this of course, though, is under a much bigger spotlight
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and she was saying to hunter biden even, she sorry, she knew that he wanted to resolve this today but she wanted to make sure that his rights were protected and he understood the terms of the deal he was pleading to and to make sure it was constitutional. >> thank you. i'm joined by harry enten and also joining us the white house communications director under the former president. did the judge make the right call here, eli? >> i think she did. the just did not decide this was a good deal, bad deal, fair deal. the parties do not have a precise agreement on what the contours are here. that's the job of a judge. you have to make sure if a defendant is it going to give up his constitutional right to a trial, to a jury --
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>> how could they have not already figured out what deal they have? >> can i offer an amen to that? i'm sitting here saying how on god's green earth can the prosecution and defense go in there not having every single detail of this deal locked down? and the thing they differed on is the most important thing is when he pleads to the packs and the gun and they didn't have an answer and the judge was right to say i'm not taking this deal. >> chris christie said he wants a new prosecutor. >> the d.o.j.'s own guidelines say you can't offer this deal. it's just another example of a sweetheart deal. it's also the tip of the iceberg. >> i think today shows the justice system is working.
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it did seem too sweeping of a deal and this seems to be something much more narrow focused on the tax crimes. at the end of the day this is the president's son, not an elected or appointed official. i think in the eyes of the voter it would be a strategic miscalculation. and i think it would be wrong to put this on the par with a thrice indicted former president. i don't think it has the votes in the house either and it would put moderate house members in a very tough place. >> harry, what does polling show that americans think about the deal the d.o.j. allegedly had with hunt er biden? >> most americans believe in fact they were not tough enough on hunter biden and we know that republicans overwhelmingly believe that, north of 80% of them did. it not surprising that
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republicans in the house and republicans generally speaking have been saying hunter biden, hunter biden, it's so unfair, so unfair, so unfair. so generally speaking i think americans will be pleased that this plea deal at least for now is on pause. >> and what does it show about hunter biden's legal troubles potentially impacting the president is this. >> i think alyssa is 100% correct. most people do not believe that joe biden is connected to hunter biden in any way when ites to what in fact he was going to plead guilty to. a majority believe the charges were independent from the president's service as president of the united states. those that did were overwhelmingly republican and more as we look forward to 2024, most americans say this will have no impact on their vote at all and the americans who do say that are, again, republicans. less likely they say they would vote for joe biden but the truth is they weren't voting for joe biden anyway.
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this is something republicans will harp on but i don't believe it a smart political move to try and connect it back to the current president. >> as speaker of the house kevin mccarthy is considering whether to pursue impeachment, do you think it does impact the presidential race at this stage? >> i don't think so. i think republicans feel a certain way and strongly about hunter biden. back to the obama years when he was president, hunter was a known liability. there are certainly opportunities of trading off his name and influence peddling. he is the first son of a president to be indicted on federal charges. i think to make that connection to joe biden is a much harder reach to do. i think the house is going to struggle to do it and i do think it end up being a distraction when at a time the best thing they can be talking about is the things the republicans do best on the economy and jobs. >> what are the options? >> option one, they go back to the drawing board and get together on an actual agreement, which if i was in hunter biden's
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shoes, i would be very eager to do because number two is a trial. there's a lot of risk for him in that. he has every incentive to get back with d.o.j. and work this thing out. >> a scary moment on capitol hill today. senator mitch mcconnell says he's fine after he froze in his weekly news conference and was led away by another republican. we're on a path to finish the nda this week, it been good bipartisan cooperation and a string of -- >> mitch?
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anything else you want to say? do you want to say anything else to the press? >> we're joined now by our chief congressional correspondent manu raju. what happened? >> it started off like any usual mcconnell press conference which he has every week. he made opening remarks, talked about what was happening in the senate and that's when he froze at that moment, causing quite a bit of alarm and also reminding people about the episode that he had earlier this year in which he fell, hit his head, had the concussion, broke some ribs and raising concerns about his health, his age. he's 81 years old, particularly after that recent episode that happened earlier this spring when he was hospitalized and came back. i asked him whether this had anything to do with the
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concussion that happened last fall and he contended he's just fine. >> and can you address what happened at the start of the press conference. was it related to earlier this year when you suffered a concussion? >> i'm fine. >> you're fully able to do your job? >> yeah. >> so the leader came out of his office tonight and told reporters that in fact he got a phone call from the president of the united states himself, joe biden called him, and mcconnell reiterated he was fine. he said the president called to check on me and i told him i got sandbagged. why did he freeze? what was the underlying cause? he would not respond to questions about all that, which is one of the big questions there and uncertain whether he in fact did get checked out by a doctor in the aftermath of this episode. >> you're saying it not 's not certain if he did.
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>> it's not certain. >> san jjay, what did you see? >> it's obviously concerning. it was just about 23 seconds. this happened just before 2:00 this afternoon. for 23 seconds before someone asked how he's doing. 32 seconds before he then leaves the lectern there and i think it was about 12 minutes later when manu asks him the question about how he's feeling. he recovers fairly quickly. that's a long time when he's essentially frozen, unable to speak. he's moving his arms and his legs fine afterwards, so that makes something like a stroke or some sort of t.i.a. less likely, though i think that's a reason he should get checked out. could this have been a mini seizure, a t.i.a. >> what does t.i.a. stand for?
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>> transit ischemic attack. it someone who is dehydrated, feeling under the weather might have symptoms like this. but he had that fall back in march and it was significant. he had a concussion, he broke a rib, he was needing care for several days after that. sometimes after an injury like that to the brain, a concussion is essentially a mild brain injury, people can have seizures even months later. so he needs to get checked out, just to make sure he can rule out some of the bad possible things here. >> manu, what has the reaction been on capitol hill? >> well, there's been a lot of concern from his colleagues, a lot of outreach from some of his fellow republicans and democrats alike. he's not up for reelection again until 2026. he has not said whether he will serve out his term.
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i asked him that just a couple of months ago whether he would serve out his term, he would not answer that directly, even though he previously said he would. and he will not say whether me will run for leader in the new congress. his aides said the reason why he had that moment was that he felt light-headed and he came back and did answer questions on a handful of issues. >> you mentioned the health scare earlier. do we know fully what happened during that health scare? >> well, it sounds like, you know, it was a fall and a pretty significant one, had a concussion, had a rib fracture. he was in the hospital, he was subsequently discharged with the hospital. several days later he's had these episodes i think manu has talked about where he's had trouble answering questions since that point of time. i don't know how much he's continued to be evaluated since march, since that initial fall.
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but again, someone who is of this age has a fall like this, has a traumatic brain injury, even if it's mild, should be evaluated after an episode like this. i'm sure his doctors were probably wanting to watch this sort of video to see if they could make sense it have and correlate it with his medical history. but this was a neurological event. it lasted quite some time. he did improve, he did resolve these symptoms, but in order to try and get some sense of what it was and to try and reduce the chance of it happening again, he's got to get checked out. >> sanjay, appreciate it. manu, thank you. >> and later, my conversation with a retired navy pilot about her unexplained encounter with what are commonly called ufos as well as the latest on a congressional hearing later
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he has failed to narrowly define this quasi admission. >> how can they say there's no fraud? look at that woman. look at her taking those ballots out, scurrying around with the ballots, nobody in the room hiding around. they look like they're passing out dope, not just ballots. >> this guy, these lies and defamatory statement were brought in a lawsuit and repeated again and again and his conspiracy theories and racist statements were found not to have merit. and he mentioned ruby at least 19 times. here's a sample of what he said. >> 18,000 voters having to do
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with ruby friedman, she's a vote scammer, a professional vote scammer and hustler. ruby freeman. even the phony ballots of ruby freeman. known scammer. you know the internet, you know what was trending on the internet? where's ruby? because they thought she'd be in jail. where's ruby? i'll take on anybody you want with regard to ruby freeman and her lovely daughter, very lovely young lady, i'm sure. r ruby freeman, every single ballot she did went to biden. did you ever check the ballots that were scammed by ruby freeman, a known political operative ballotier. >> and ruby freeman testified about these statements and the impact it's had on her life. >> there is no where i feel
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safe. nowhere. do you know how it feels to have the president of the united states target you? the president of the united states is supposed to represent every american, not to target one. but he targeted me, lady ruby, a small business owner, a mother, a proud american citizen who stands up to help fulton county run an election in the middle of the pandemic. >> yes, a lot of threats wishing death upon me, telling me that, you know, i'll be in jail with my mother and saying things like be glad it's 2020 and not 1920. >> were a lot of these threats
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and vile comments racist in nature? >> a lot of them were racist. a lot of them were just hateful. >> we're joined by an attorney for ruby freeman and shea moss. what is your reaction to this latest filing from rudy giuliani? >> thanks for having me. i feel the way my clients feel, which is they are pleased that mr. giuliani has essentially admitted what they have known to be true the entire time, which is all of the statements and accusations about them accusing them of horrible crimes are not true, that there was never any truth to them. so i feel, as do ruby and shea, pleased that he has admitted that they were false. >> is it clear to you exactly what mr. giuliani is conceding to? because he maintains that his statements about voter fraud are
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protected speech and denies that his statements damaged your clients. does that apply to his statement about them, you know, looking like people doing drugs, which is just such a bizarre, i mean, thing for him to say. >> well, i will go by what mr. giuliani said in his filings with the court. so, you know, the judicial process, the way civil litigation works, plaintiffs file a come pplaint with severa allegations. we allege that he made defamatory from our clients and that they hit balhid ballots un the table, that they passed usb drives. all of these statements are
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false. those are the factual allegations of our complaint. meanwhile, mr. giuliani in the motion this he filed last night or the filing that he filed last night said, quote, giuliani stipulates to all pertinent facts plaintiffs would need from him to establish liability. so to us that is pretty cut and dry that he has stipulated to all the of factual allegations in the complaint while potentially reserving some right to make certain legal arguments but the facts are what they are and we view this as a concession, which is what mr. giuliani stated in his filing with the court. >> and what happens next? i mean, what is the scope of this lawsuit? >> so one of the elements of the stipulation were that mr. giuliani admitted that the statements were defamatory per se, which means that the statements were essentially so bad, accusing our clients of committing crimes, that is
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presumed that they were harmed. so in our view at this point, we will have the opportunity to present to a jury the extent of the harm and the quantification of that harm. and, you know, you played the incredibly brave testimony of our clients during the january 6th committee hearings and i don't see how you can listen to them explain how these lies destroyed their lives and credibly say that they were not severely harmed by this campaign of defamation for political motives. so we look forward to being able to explain to a jury the extent of that harm and why they deserve to be compensated for it. >> we'll continue to follow it. thank you so much. >> thanks for having me. startling testimony on capitol hill today from three military veterans about uap
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on capitol hill today a bipartisan call for more government transparency on ufo or as the military calls them, uaps. three testified before a house subcommittee. one was asked about alien
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bodies. two others talked about seeing uaps. i'll talk with a retired navy pilot who saw with her own eyes what one uap was capable off the cape of san diego years ago. [ bleep ]. >> there's a whole fleet of them. >> reporter: the videos of mysterious airborne objects have captured the public's attention. >> they're going against the wind. the wind is 120 miles to the west. >> and perhaps it's imagination. >> there is a pressing -- >> there is a question of whether the government is too secret. >> the uap is a foreign drone, it's a national security problem. if it's something else, it's for
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science. >> and he admitted he has secondhand info and no proof. >> you said the u.s. has in tact spacecraft. you said that the government has alien bodies. >> i have to be careful to describe what i've seen firsthand and not in this environment. >> have you seen any of the bodies? >> that's something i've not witnessed myself. >> reporter: the house oversight hearing was a rare moment of bipartisanship in a sharply divided congress. >> we're not bringing little green men or flying saucers to the hearing. we're going to get to the facts. >> the more we're understand, the safer we will be. >> reporter: one witness was former pilot ryan graves, who runs a group that encourages pilots to report uaps, unidentified aerial phenomenons. he said the vast majority of
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sightings are not reported. >> this is off information speaking with a number of pilots by i would estimate we're near 5% reporting perhaps. >> reporter: they warn the threat they pose is real. >> based off your own experience or the data you've been privy to, is there indication these uaps could be collectively gathering reconnaissance information? >> yes. >> very possible. >> and david graver picked up this on his aircraft sensor, a reading he claimed was far superior to anything the u.s. had. >> you're talking something that can go into space, drop down in a matter of seconds, do whatever it wants and leave and there's nothing we can do about it. >> reporter: in april the head of the pentagon's office looking into this told lawmakers there were about 650 cases of uaps.
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the white house said wednesday it still working on figuring out those answers. >> if your question is do you think we need to be transparent with the american people, of course we need to be as transparent as we can be. we don't have hard and fast answers on these things. we are trying to get smarter on it. >> oren lieberman. >> my next guest along with retired navy commander david frayberg witnessed this uap off the coast of san diego during a routine training exercise. he joins me now. commander, thanks for being here. you watched the hearing today, you listened to the testimony. what did you think? what stood out to you? >> well, i was very proud of my colleagues, the three witnesses, brian graves, david brush and
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commander david fayberg, who was my superintendent back in four. i thought the three of them did a great job of maintaining their bearings, articulating their experience and expertise and their recommendations for the representatives of congress to follow through, to investigate both what has already happened and to pave a way for a process in the system to collect future encounters, the information are the data and analyze it in a systematic way and make sense of it. >> david fraver was your commanding officer. when you refer to the uap, he described the encounter again in the hearing. what else do you personally remember from that encounter? what stands out to you all these
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years later? >> i thought commander fraver did an excellent job of recounting the details. we were in california, we were a large carrier strike group, this battle of several ships and spotters of aircraft. that is why it was such a big deal that we had this unidentified aircraft or something in our airspace operating so close to a military exercise. and the only thing that i would add to the story that he tells is what happened in the moments and hours and days afterwards, which was disappointing. it was underwhelming in terms of the debrief that we received and so, again, you know, i would advocate for a process in place so that when operators, whether
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they're military pilots or civilian commercial pilots or anybody else who sees something to have a way to report it and to have a channel through which it is collected and analyzed in a systematic way. >> and in the 18 years since, has anyone in a position of -- or anyone from the military, anyone in a legitimate position to investigate been able to give you any explanation that makes sense about what you saw? >> no explanation. but i will say that it took several years before i was called into the pentagon to provide a thorough debrief and at that point i was asked some very good technical questions. >> the things that's really gotten my attention and interest is that a number of these videos that have caught the public's attention were captured by
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military personalnel, 11 years after your encounter. i just want to show this. >> got it! whoo-hoo! >> oh my gosh, dude. wow. >> i mean, as somebody who has encountered something, when you see a video like that, what goes through your mind? >> well, i'm laughing because i recognize their excitement. that's exactly what we sounded like. >> i can imagine. >> yeah. what is that? and a lot of f-bombs and, again, it's unexpected. i'm confident that there are other videos like this and if they're not recorded, certainly other experiences like this where people just go what was that? you know, and -- >> commander, i really appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you.
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>> coming up, florida presidential candidate governor ron desantis respond to the criticism on slavery. and they say in some incidences it could apply to their personal benefit. and later we remember singer sinead o'connor who died at the age of 56. ♪ nothing compares to you ♪ fas. perfectly orchestrated. the united states postal service. ♪ ♪
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the alpha phi alpha fraternity said they're moving their fraternity out of florida. here's the parthat's come under fire.
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"middle school studentwill be taught about variods of slaves and work they were forced to perform. then it says this, quote, instruction includes how slaves developed skills which in some instancing could be applied for their personal benefit." in a moment, filmmaker spike lee's reaction to that guidelines. first what florida governor ron desantis said about that last night. >> these standards were born out of that and these are very thorough standard done by african-american histo scholars. there is no untruth, just the details, including the inininjustice of slavery. >> desantis is saying there's no slavery here. >> i don't think he's educated about the enslavement of my
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ancestors. even if they did have some skills, they were still enslaved. it's not like they opened a business, not like they could profit from it. i want to thank my wife tanya because i kept using the term slaves. you got to say enslaved. there's a big, big difference. >> it makes a difference because it identifies someone just as a slave -- >> words are important. >> this was a person who was enslaved. >> and you told me to come on your show. i had to pull my hat on because 1619 is when enslaved african-american people were brought to this country, were stolen from mother africa to work the stolen land from the native americans, from me. that's one of the foundations of
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the united states of america, the stealing of enslaved people to work the stolen land from the native americans and work from sun up to sun down and not be treated as human beings. >> it also, you know, i just want to read the text against of what florida is now requiring from middle school students. it says instruction should include how slaves developed skills which in some instances could be applied for their own personal benefit. >> how can it be for your personal benefit when treated as an enslaved person? it not like i'm going to put a shingle out there. you were owned by master. >> what one of the arguments ma governor desantis is schools
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were teaching kids to hate america by teaching, you know, the history of slavery in this country, the history -- >> you learn to love america by learning the truth. the good and different and bad. that's what america is. we're trying to aspire to a dream. what dr. king talked about. you cannot look straight ahead and not see what's happening to your left and your right. how can you -- if you're talking about the history of this country, the united states of america, how can you just like a pun, white out, enslavement? how can you do that? >> so what would you, if ron desantis was taking advice from you, what would you say? >> i'm a professor of film, even though i didn't go to film
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school. my student say what if? i say i don't like the word "if." i don't go by if. me and him are never going to meet. we ain't going to talk about nothing. so -- >> maybe you'll be invited down to teach a course. >> to where? i was going to say mar-a-lago. >> mar-a-lago. you can teach a course there, too. >> well, i teach soon. so i want to thank you for having me on this show because this is really dangerous stuff that this governor -- and is he doing it to -- for his presidential race? i don't know. but it's -- it's ill timed, ill thought and it 's not the truth. >> he talks about florida is where woke goes to die, woke
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corporations are problems, wokeness has infiltrated -- >> what is wokeness? to say that black people have a right to be free, not be shot down by police or any other people? that's what woke means? we can't march in streets and say black lives matter? we can't do that? i don't understand what woke means. it's a catch phrase, which has caught on with the people who believe like that and i think it's dangerous. i think it's dangerous. >> spike lee, thank you. >> my brother! >> up next, we remember singer sinead o'connor, who has died at the age of 56. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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tonight, we want to end the program remembering a woman who was an influential and provocative force in the music industry. irish singer sinead o'connor died at 56. her family released a statement saying they're devastated and are requesting privacy. the cause of her death is still unknown. our randi kaye has more on her life and career. ♪ nothing compares, nothing compares to you ♪ >> reporter: sinead o'connor singing the hit song that
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catapulted her to international stardom, "nothing compares to you." the song was written by prince. and in 1990, she topped the music charts with her version of it. the irish singer won four grammy nominations for the song and the album it was on. she also won the award for mtv's video of the year. in 1991, "rolling stone" magazine named her artist of the year. ♪ o'connor's singing voice was extraordinary, pure power. and her stage presence electric. but behind all of that, or perhaps helping fuel it there was pain, lots of it. o'connor spoke about how her mother abused her in a recent showtime documentary called "nothing compares." >> my mother was a very violent
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woman, not a healthy woman mentally at all. and she was physically and verbally and psychologically, spiritually and emotionally abusive. >> my mother was a beast. and i was able to soothe her with my voice. i was able to use my voice to make her fall asleep. >> reporter: some time after her parents divorced, o'connor, aged 14 was sent away to live in an asylum run by the order of our lady of charity. >> i wasn't acknowledged what had happened to me in my mother's house. >> reporter: o'connor's mother died in a car accident in 1985, two years before her debut album was released. ♪ ♪ the emperor's new clothes ♪ ♪ the emperor's new clothes ♪ >> reporter: o'connor often used her music to address social issues and inspire change. in 1992 on "saturday night live," o'connor tore up a photo of pope john paul ii to protest sexual abuse in the catholic
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church. ♪ evil ♪ >> fight the real enemy. >> reporter: in 1999, she became the first priestess of a dissident roman catholic group. and after the catholic priest sexual abuse scandal broke wide open, she called on the vatican to stop covering up the truth, telling anderson cooper this in 2010. >> the one thing that the victims really require for healing and so do the rest of us as catholic people is a full admission by the vatican that there was an active cover-up in operation for decades since 1922. >> reporter: o'connor long struggled with her mental health. she attempted suicide at age 33. in 2017, she posted this video of herself at a motel in new jersey in the midst of a mental breakdown. >> the most vulnerable people on earth. we can't take care of our [ bleep ] selves. >> reporter: a year later, she converted to islam and changed
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her name to shihada. last year o'connor's 17-year-old son shane died by suicide. o'connor shared this photo of the two of them just last week on twitter. despite saying in 2021 she would quit making music and touring, o'connor recently recorded the opening song for the hit show "outlander's" seventh season. ♪ sing me a song of a laps s tht is gone, say could that lass be i? ♪ >> reporter: sinead o'connor was 56. the news continues. "the source" with kaitlan collins is next, right after a quick break. of the same make and model. get a whole lolot of something with farmers policy perks. ♪ farmers mnemonic ♪ that's my husband... it's the inspire implant. he's not struggling with cpap anymore. all thatest is working wonders for him.
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