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good evening, under biden went to court today with a plea deal already agreed upon between his attorneys and prosecutors. if all went according to the agreement, he would be the first son of a sitting u.s. president to walk to a federal courthouse and plead guilty to a crime. he would admit to two of misdemeanors for not paying federal taxes on time, to calendar years, and he would enter into a deal that would resolve a felony gun charge -- if you abided by the deals conditions. the republicans characterize this plea as a sweetheart deal, aimed to try to block it once again trying to tie hunter biden's dealings to his father. today, however, in court all that was needed was the approval of the judge for the deal. and that is where everything began to unravel. once the federal judge began to question the deals provisions, including one about immunity from future prosecutions, harris gonell joins us now is how the courthouse with more about what happened. so, explain why the judge rejected the deal. >> yeah, anderson, so the judge really focused on both components of these deals.

the first one is this tax misdemeanor plea. she had asked what the exact scope of this would include. what kind of immunity would hunterdon it? and she kept peppering the prosecutors, saying, you know, with this excuse elude him from being prosecuted for maybe not registering as a foreign agent because of his business deals overseas. and the prosecutor said no, that would not cover. that now, that had hunter biden's team kind of caught off guard. they said they thought that would be the deal, so initially both sides, the prosecution and biden's team called off. but then biden's lawyers asked for more time to try to work something out. they both came back, and biden's lawyers said they would agree to the terms of prosecution laid out. it looked like things were back on track, but then they got to this gun divergent charge, and the judge raised questions about the constitutionality of that charge, saying that she was not prepared at the time to sign off on that and you want to hear more from both sides in terms of legal arguments. both on the tax demeanor, charge one of them took that up, as well as this question of a gun diversion charge, anderson? >> so what happens now.

>> so now the judge has asked decides for briefing, and she is giving them 30 days to come back with a firmer deal, as well as their legal arguments on why this would be constitutional. the judge raising questions on the gun diversion blind agreement between the prosecution and a defendant would involve a federal judge, saying it raised questions about separations of power. she said she wasn't sure it was constitutional and she wasn't prepared to sign off on it on the fly. >> and what was under biden's demeanor during all of this? >> so when you first came in support, everything, they all thought things were going to according to plan. he even went over and shook the hands of the prosecutors but when these frictions began to emerge, and it was unclear if the steel was going to go through. he started to look more anxious, more, you know, worried about whether this was gonna pan out. and he was huddling with his attorneys. i mean, at times one of my colleagues there had a close look and could see the hunter biden's route was furrowed. really unclear where this was

gonna end up. and of course at the end of the day he pleaded not guilty to these charges instead of hoping to walk out of there and in a five-year investigation. >> and what more do we know about the judge in the case? >> so this judge is mary ellen right. she was appointed by trump, but unanimously confirmed by the senate, she has made political donations to both parties. and before she was appointed to the bench and i think it was 2018, she was a patent lawyer here in delaware, so she has had a number of cases under her belt for the past several years on the bench. and someone that was supported by both democrats and republicans. so this of course is under a much bigger spotlight. and she was same in the hunter biden, she was sorry, she knew that she he wanted to resolve this today. but she said she wanted to make sure that his rights were protected, and he understood the terms of the deal that he was pleading to. and to make sure that what it was constitutional, anderson? >> thank you. i am joined now by our senior data reporter harry enten, senior legal analyst elie

koenig, former u.s. attorney -- you author of, untouchable how powerful people get away with it. also with us tonight, cnn political commentator alyssa farah, given what has been occasions tractor for former president. , highlighted the judge make the right call here? >> i think you did, anderson and i think it's really important understand what the judge did and did not decide today. the judge did not decide that this is a good deal or a bad deal, fair deal, unfair deal. the only thing the judge decided is that this is not ideal. the parties do not have a precise agreement on what the contours are here. and that is probably judge. because you have to make sure we defendants going to give up his constitutional right, his right to trial, his right to a jury. that he understands exactly what he's getting. >> how can a lot of already figured out what deal allegedly they had. >> crimes offered amen to that, i mean, i'm sitting there as the news is breaking saying, how on earth could the prosecution and the defense go in there law talking every single detail of this deal. and they think they differ on

is the most important thing. when he pleads for the pack sent the gun and the trucks that are not part of the, do a sea coverage for. it does not cover this all a known universe without the charges. they didn't have an answer, and the judge's right to not take the deal. >> alyssa, i want to talk about the republican response. chris christie says he wants a new counsel to oversee any and all of his into president biden and his family. senator josh hawley said this. >> the doj's own guidelines say that you can't offer this deal, so it's just another example, i think of a sweetheart deal that biden seems to get. it's also the tip of the iceberg. >> i think today shows that the justice system is working. it did like to see my two sweeping of a deal if would protect him from further investigations that could come up in the future, and this seems to be something much more narrow, specifically focus on the tax crimes. my caution to republicans is on this, in overreaching on hunter biden. at the end of the day, this is the president son, not an elected official, and i think in the eyes of the voter, it would be a strategic

miscalculation on par with who would likely be the republican front runner, since the big price indicted former president. i think you'll hear a lot of scuttlebutt under asset of capitol hill suggesting that this might be two impeachment inquiries into joe biden. that would be a shifty check mistake for a number of reasons. i don't think it has the votes in the house side there and orbiter as members in a tough place. >> harry, what does polling show about what the american sing about the deal that the og allegedly had with hunter biden. >> they thought that the justice department is laying the kid gloves on, right? most americans believed in fact that they were not tough enough on hunter biden, and we know that republicans overwhelmingly believe the, north of 80% unintended. it's not surprising that republicans in the house and republicans generally speaking have been saying, hunter biden, hunter biden, it's so unfair, so unfair, so generally speaking, i think americans will be pleased that the plea deal at least for now disavows. >> what volunteer biden's legal troubles impacting potentially

the president? >> i think the list is 100 percent correct on this one. what we see is thamo americans do not believe that joe biden is connected to hunter biden in any way when it comes to what he was in fact going to plead guilty to. a majority believed that chars were independent of biden services the president at the united states. those two did, i believe it was connected to biden, more overwhelmingly republican. more and a, as we look for the 2024, what we see is that most americans say that this will have no impact on their vote at l and the americans who say they are again republicans less likely that they wou ve for joe biden. the truth is, they weren't voting for joe biden anyway. this is something that republicans would harp on, but i don't believe that it's a smart political move to try to connect it back to the current president. >> melissa, as how speaker kevin mccarthy is considering whether or not to pursue an impeachment, do you think that this impacts the presidential race at the stage. >> i don't think so. i think that republicans feel a

certain way and strongly about hunter biden. dating back to the obama years as vice president, hunter was a known liability. i think that there are credible allegations office name, peddling. he was now the first son of a president to be indicted on federal charges. i think mike decoction to joe biden is a much harder reach to do. i think the house is going to struggle to do it, and i think a chance of being a distraction at the time when the press think that they should be talking about is the thing that republicans do well, on the economy and jobs. >> elie, what is hunter biden's option, what are prosecutors options? >> option one, they get back on a join board and get together on an actual agreement. if i wasn't hunter biden's shoes, i would be eager to do because option two is a trial on the packs charges, on the gun charge at the trade broad category of whatever else. there is a lot of risk for him into. he has every incentive to get back with the doj and work dissing out. >> all right, thanks everybody. a scary moment on capitol hill today. all tell you about senator mitch mcconnell, who says he was one of the few forces

weekly news conference and was led away by another republican senator. here is what happened. >> we're on a path to finishing the nda this week and good bipartisan cooperation, and a string of -- >> you okay, mitch? they want to say anything else to the press? let's go back -- >> i'm joined now by our chief congressional correspondent manu raju who was there and spoke with senator mcconnell, also with his senator chief

medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. it started off like any usual mcconnell press conference, which he has every week. he made opening remarks, talked about what was happening in the senate. and that is when he froze at that moment, causing quite a bit of alarm. and also reminding good people about the episode that he had earlier this year, which -- fell on his head, had a concussion. and also raising concerns about's health, is, ages 81 years old. and these questions have persistent, particularly after that recent episode that happened earlier this spring in which he was hospitalized and came back later. i asked him about that. whether or not this had anything to do with the concussion that he endured from that fall. and he contended that he is just fine. >> could you address what happened here they saw the press conference? >> i think it was related to your injury from earlier this year receiver infection? is that -- [inaudible] you are fully able to do your job? >> yes. >> so the leader came out of

his office tonight and told reporters that in fact he got a phone call from the president of the united states himself, joe biden, called him, again, mcconnell reiterated that he is, quote, fine. he said the president called to check on me, i told him that i got sandbagged. what mcconnell did not respond to when he was asked was why the heck this happened, what exactly happened here, why did he freeze? what was the underlying cause that he would not respond. not respond to questions about all of, that which is one of the big questions here, and also uncertain here, whether he in fact did get checked out by a doctor in the aftermath of this episode. ? you >> are saying it is not certain if he did? >> it is not certain, we have not told us if he did when they are than other. >> sanjay, i mean, when you watch this moment, what do you see? >> well, it is obviously a concerning thing. when we looked at the tape, i mean, just to give you some frame of reference, it was just about 23 seconds. this happened just before 2:00 this afternoon. for 23 seconds before someone asked how he is doing. 32 seconds before he then

leaves the lectern there. they think it was about 12 minutes later where he gets asked the question about how he is feeling. so he recovers fairly quickly, that is a long time when he is essentially frozen, and unable to speak. he is moving his arms and his legs fine afterwards, so that makes something like a stroke or some sort of tia less likely. although, you know, i think that is something that is reasonable he should get checked out. could this have been a mini seizure? it's cia. >> what is a tia standing for? >> dia stands for transient ischemic attack. that is a mini stroke. or it could have been a sort of mini seizure. but on the other, hand common things being common, someone who is dehydrated, someone who has a medication interaction, someone who is feeling a little under the weather, they might have symptoms like this as well. manu mentioned, this but he had that fall back in march. and it was significant, i mean, he had a concussion, he broke a

rib. he was needing care for several days after that. sometimes after injury like that to the brain, concussions is essentially a mild brain injury. people can have seizures, you know, even months later. so he needs to get checked out. i mean, just to make sure that you can rule out some of the bad possible things here. >> manu, what is the reaction been on capitol hill? >> well there has been a lot of concern from his colleagues, a lot of outrage from some of his fellow republicans, democrats alike, there is also questions about his own future. he is not up for reelection again, anderson, until 2026. he has not said whether he will actually serve out his term, and i asked him that just a couple of months ago. whether he will serve the, storm you would not answer that directly. even though he has previously said that he would. it is also uncertain whether he will run for leader again in the new congress. all big questions that mcconnell here is facing. --

he felt like he hit it, they said. he came back and it answer at the press conference on a handful of issues, anderson. >> sanjay, i, mean you mentioned the health scare earlier. we know fully what happened during that health care? >> well it sounds, like, you know it was a fall. and a pretty significant one. had a concussion. had a rib fracture. he was in the hospital and subsequently discharged from the hospital several days later. he has heavy episodes i think monte was talked about where he has a trouble answering questions, since that point of time. i don't know how much she's continued to be evaluated since march, since that initial fall, but again, someone at this age has a fault like this, has a traumatic brain injury, even if it is mild, should be evaluated after an episode like this. i am sure that his doctors were probably wanting to watch this or a video to see if they can make sense of it and correlate

it with his medical history. but this was a neurological event that lasted quite some time. he did improve, did resolve the symptoms but in order to try to get some sense of what it was and to try to reduce the chance of it happening again, it's got to get checked out. >> sanjay, appreciate it. manu, thanks. we wish him and his family the best. still to come, rudy giuliani makes an admission, sort of, but the lies that he and the former president spread about to georgia poll workers. attorney ruby freeman shame austrians us next. later, my conversation with a retired navy pilot about her unexplained encounter with a commonly called ufos and the latest on the congressional hearing today focused on part on whether the government has been too secretive about the events. there are also discussions about alien bodies. details ahead. m ingredients clinically shown to protect your ears from dizziness, ear ringing, and even hearing loss. never miss a moment with lipo flavonoid.

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just -- >> it is quite clear that they are stealing drugs. >> this guy, these lies and defamatory statements is -- brought by freeman and loss were repeatedly again and again even after georgia officials investigated and found his conspiracy theories and his recent statements are so many merit. that did not stop the then president and his son from his call with the georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger from lying about ruby friedman and mentioning her at least by our count 19 times in that one hour and two minute phone call. here's a sample of what he said. >> 18,000 voters having to do with ruby friedman, she's a vote scammer. a professional vote scammer. and how slick. ruby freeman, even the phony ballots of ruby freeman. known scammer. you know the internet, what was trending on the internet? where is ruby. because they thought you would

be in jail. where is ruby? i will take on anybody that you want with regard to ruby freeman. and her lovely daughter, very lovely young woman, i am sure. ruby freeman, one thing i forgot to say, which is the most important. you know that every single about that she did went to biden. did you ever checked the ballots that were scammed by ruby freeman? a known political operative ballot here. >> ruby freeman and sheamus testified about the impact of these lives, and slurs had on their lives to the house like to be on generous cluster. >> there is no where i feel safe. nowhere. do you know how it feels to have the president of the united states target you? the president of the united states is supposed to represent every american. not to target one. but he targeted me.

lady ruby. a small business owner, a mother, a proud american citizen. who's standing up to help fulton county run their election in the middle of the pandemic. >> yes, a lot of darts, wishing death upon me. telling me that, you know, i will be in jail with my mother and saying things like, be glad it is 2020 and not 1920. -- >> we're a lot of these threats and violent comments racist in nature? >> a lot of them were racist, a lot of them were just hateful. >> i'm joined now by meryl cockburn ski, and attorney for ruby friedman and shaye moss. appreciate you being with us. what's your reaction to this latest filing for mr. giuliani? >> happy to be here, anderson,

thanks for having me. well, you know, i feel the way my clients feel, which is, they are pleased that mr. giuliani has essentially admitted what they had known to be true the entire time, which is, all of the statements and accusations about them accusing them of horrible crimes, are not true. that there was never any truth to them and so, i feel, as do ruby and shea, pleased that he has admitted that they were false. >> is it clear to you exactly what mr. giuliani is conceding to? because he maintains in his statements about voter fraud or protected speech and denies that his statements damaged their clients. i mean, does that apply to his statement about them, you know, looking like people doing drugs? which is just such a bizarre, i mean, thing to say. >> well, i will go by what mr.

giuliani said in his filings with the court. so, you know, the judicial process, the way civil litigation works is plaintiffs file a complaint, which includes several allegations. in our complaint, we alleged that mr. giuliani made false and defamatory statements about our clients, including that they, you know, hid illegal ballots in suitcases under the table to count, you know, fraudulent ballots that they excluded election observers, under false pretenses, that they passed usb drives. all of these statements were false and those are the factual allegations of our complaint. meanwhile, mr. giuliani, in the motion that he filed last night or the filing that he filed last night, said, quote, giuliani stipulates to all pertinent facts, plaintiffs would need for him to establish liability. so, to us, that is pretty cut and dry that he has stipulated all of the factual allegations

in the complaint, while potentially reserving some right to make certain legal arguments. but the facts are what they are and we view this as a concession, which is what mr. giuliani stated in his filing with the court. >> and what happens next? i mean, what is the scope of this lawsuit? >> so, one of the elements of the stipulation or that mr. giuliani admitted that the statements were defamatory, per se, which means that the statements were essentially so bad, accusing our client of committing crimes, that it is presumed that they were harmed. so, in our view, at this point, we will have the opportunity to present to a jury the extent of the harm and the quantification of that harm. and, you know, you played the incredibly brave testimony of our clients during the january 6th committee hearings.

and i don't see how you can listen to them, explain how these lies destroyed their lives, and credibly say that they were not severely harmed by this campaign of defamation for political motives. so, we look forward to being able to explain to a jury the extent of that harm and why they deserve to be compensated for it. >> we will continue to follow. admiral kupperman, thank you so much. >> thanks for having me. >> coming up next, slowing testimony on capitol hill today from three military veterans about uap sightings were unidentified aerial phenomena. and the potential threat to our national security. also talked to a retired u.s. navy pilot who saw this uap nearly 20 years ago and is still waiting for answers about what it may have been. and later, filmmaker spike lee on florida's new plan to teach middle school students when new guidelines called personal benefits of slavery for the enslaved.

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a. retired navy pilot who saw, with her own eyes, what one uap was capable of off the coast of san diego years ago. first, more on today's testimony from cnn's oren liebermann. >> that is a [bleep] drone, bro. there's a whole fleet of them. on my s a -- >> the videos of mysterious airborne objects have captured the public's attention. >> they're all going against the. when the wind is 100 -- knots -- to the west. >> perhaps it's imagination. >> -- government transparency and accountability that could not be overlooked. >> as wednesdays hearing focus focused on the threat they may pose and whether the government has been too secretive about what it knows. >> if you a pr foreign drones, it is an urgent national security problem. if it's something else, it's an issue for science. in either case, unidentified objects are a concern for flight safety. >> david grusch, a former military intel officer, claimed the u.s. had alien bodies and spacecraft. a statement for which he admitted he has secondhand info and no proof.

>> you have said the u.s. has intact spacecraft. you have said that the government has alien bodies. >> i have to be careful to describe what i have seen firsthand, and not in this environment. >> have you seen any of the bodies? >> that is something i've not witnessed myself. >> the house oversight hearing was a rare moment of bipartisanship in a sharply divided congress. >> we are not bringing little green men or flying saucers into the hearing. we are just going to get to the facts. >> we should encourage more reporting, not less, on uaps, the more we understand, the safer we will be. >> one of the witnesses was former navy pilot, ryan graves, who now runs americans for safe airspace. it's a group that encourages pilots to report incidents of ufos, officially known as uap, unidentified aerial phenomena. the vast majority of sightings, he says, are never reported. >> this is an approximation based off my personal experience speaking with a number of pilots, but i would estimate we are somewhere near 5% reporting, perhaps.

>> the three witnesses, all retired military veterans, warned the threat these objects pose is real. >> based off your own experience with the data that you've been privy to, is there any indication that these u a uaps could essentially be collecting reconnaissance information, mr. graves? >> yes. >> mr. grusch? >> fair assessment, yeah. >> mr. -- >> very possible. >> david fravor, a retired u. s. navy commander, picked up this on his aircraft sensors in 2004. reading he claimed was something far superior to anything the u.s. had. >> we are talking some thinking going into space, go someplace, drop down in a matter of seconds, do whatever it wants, and leave, and there is nothing we can do about it. >> in april, the head of the pentagon's office looking into these incidents told lawmakers there are about 650 potential cases of uaps. about half of which, he said may be of interesting value. the white house said wednesday, it's still working on figuring out those answers. >> if your question is, you

know, do we think we need to be transparent with the american people? of course, we need to be as transparent as we can be. but the truth is, jeremy, we don't have hard and fast answers on these things. we are trying to get some more smarter on it. >> oren liebermann, cnn, at the pentagon. >> more now on the strange citing 2004 you just saw in orange lieberman's report, one that resembled a tick tack. here is that moment, my next guest along with retired navy -- david fravor, who testified today, witnessed this uap off the coast of san diego during a routine training exercise. joining me with more is retired navy lieutenant commander alex dietrer -- commander, thanks for being here. you watch the hearing today. you listen to the testimony. what do you think? what's that to you? >> well, it i was very proud of my colleagues, the three witnesses, ryan graves, david grusch, and commander david fravor who is my skipper at the time -- other uap encounter back in --

and i thought all three of them did a great job of -- and articulating their experience and their expertise and their recommendations for the representatives of congress to follow through, to investigate both what has already happened and to pave a way for a process and a system to collect future encounters. the information, the data, and analyze it in a systematic way, and make sense of it. >> david fravor was your commanding officer. you mentioned him on that day back in 2004, when you saw the uap, which you have referred to as the tic tac, we were showing the video now. commander fravor described the encounter again today in the hearing. what else do you personally remember from that encounter? what stands out to you all these years later? >> so, i thought commander fravor did an excellent job of

recounting a lot of the technical details, the scenario that we were in, that we were in this training exercise off the coast of california. we were a large carrier strike group. this battle group of several ships and -- squadrons of aircraft. you know, that's why it was such a big deal that we have this unidentified aircraft or something in our airspace operating so close to a military exercise. and the only thing that i would add to the story that he tells is what happened in the moments and hours and days afterwards, which was disappointing. it was underwhelming in terms of the debrief that we received. and so, again, i would advocate for a process in place, so that when operators -- whether they are military pilots or civilian, commercial

pilots, or anybody else who sees something, to have a way to report it, and to have a channel through which it is collected and analyzed in a systematic way. >> and in the 18 year since, has anyone, in a position of -- or anyone in the military, anyone in a legitimate position to investigate, been able to give you any investigation -- explanation that makes -- >> no explanations, but i will say that it took several years before i was called into the pentagon to provide a thorough debrief and at that point, i was asked some very good technical questions. >> i mean, the thing that years ago really got my attention and interest was that a number of these videos that have caught the public's attention were not shot by civilians. they were captured by military personnel, like this incident from 2015 off the atlantic coast, 11 years after your encounter. i just want to show this. >> whoa, got it!

>> roger -- shooting -- >> [bleep] [inaudible] >> oh my gosh, dude. wow -- >> i mean, somebody who has encountered something, when you see a video like that, what goes through your mind? >> well, i'm laughing because i recognized their excitement. that is exactly what we sounded like. >> i can imagine. i mean -- >> yeah, i mean, what is that? a lot of f bombs and again, it's unexpected. you know, i'm confident that there are other videos like this and if they are not recorded, you know, certainly other experiences like this where people just go, what was that? you know? >> yeah. commander alex dietrich, really appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. >> coming up next, republican presidential candidate and florida governor, ron desantis response to criticism over the

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fraternity is announcer moving the 2025 annual convention out of florida. the fraternity established for african american men's as governor ron desantis has, quote, harmful, racist, and sensitive policies against the black community. he said, they made the decision following the states new social studies curriculum approved just last week. part that's come under fire. middle school students will be taught about various kinds of work and enslaved black people were forced to perform. some examples listed agriculture, carpent, and transportation, and then it says this. quote, instruction includes how slaves developed skills, which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit. in a moment, filmmaker spike lees reaction to those new guidelines. but first, what republican presidential candidate and florida governor ron desantis said about all of this last night. >> these standards really were born out of that and these are very thorough standards done by african american history scholars. there is no agenda here. it is just the truth and they talk in gory detail a lot of the bad in american history,

including, of course, the injustice of slavery. >> so, desantis is now saying that there is no agenda here. >> i don't think he's educated about the enslavement of my ancestors. maybe even mid they did have some skills, they were still enslaved. it's not like they open up a business, not like you profit from it. and nothing like, i want to thank my wife tanya, because i kept using the term slaves. >> which they actually use in their curriculum. >> you've got to say enslaved. it's a big, big difference and really -- >> it makes a difference because it's not to identify somebody -- >> words are important. >> this is a person who was enslaved. >> and when you told me to come on your show, i had to pull my had in because 16 19, that is

when enslaved african people were brought to this country, were stolen from africa, to work the stolen land from the native americans. for me, i was going back, for me, that's one of the foundations of the united states of america. the stealing of enslaved people to work the stolen land from the native americans and work from sun up to sundown, and not be treated as human beings. >> it also, you know, i just want to read the text again of what florida is now requiring for middle school students. it sets, instructions such include, quote, how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their own personal benefit. how >> how could it be for your personal benefit? when you are treated as enslaved persons.

not like oh, i'm a blacksmith, i'm going to put a single out there and i will be about blacksmith. you were owned by meza. >> one of the arguments being made by supporters of governor desantis is that schools were teaching kids to hate america, by teaching, you know, the history of slavery in this country, the history -- >> you learn to love america by learning the truth. >> the good, and different, and that. that is what america is. we are trying to aspire to our dream, but we are not reaching what dr. king talked about. you cannot look straight ahead and not see what's happening to your left and tire right. how can you, if you're talking about the history of this country, united states of america, how can you just, like,

a pun, white out enslavement? how can you do that? >> so, what would you, if ron desantis was taking advice for me, what would you tell him? >> [laughter] here's the thing, i will be honest with you. because i'm a tenured professor of film, graduated film school and teacher. my students say, what if? i said, i don't like that word if. i mean, like, i don't go by if. me and him are never going to meet, we ain't gonna talk about nothing. so, -- >> maybe you will be invited down to teach a course. >> where? i'm not going to say mar-a-lago. [laughter] >> you could teach a course there too. i teach cinema, so, i want to thank you for having me on this show because this is some really dangerous stuff that this governor, and is he doing

it for his presidential race? i don't know, but it's ill timed, ill fought, and it is not the truth. >> when he talks about, you know, florida is where woke goes to die, then woke corporations are a problem, wokeness is infiltrated -- >> what is wokeness? to say that black people have a right to be free? and not be shot down by police or any other people? that's what woke means? we can't march in the streets and say, black lives matter? we can't do that? i don't understand what woke means. and it's a catchphrase. which has caught on with the people who believe like that and i think it is dangerous. i think it is dangerous.

>> spike lee, thank you. >> my brother. >> up next, we remember singer sinead o'connor who has died at the age of 56. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ we're reinventing our network... ...with smarter, more efficient routes... ...so you can deliver more value to your customers.

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>> tonight, we want to end the program remembering a woman who was an influential in provocative force in the music industry. the irish singer, sinead o'connor, died at 56. her family released a statement saying they are devastated and requesting privacy. the cause of her death is still unknown. our randi kaye has more on her life and career. >> ♪ ♪ ♪

>> sinéad o'connor, singing the hits on that catapulted her to international stardom, "nothing compares 2 u". the song was written by prince, and in 1990, she topped the music charts with her version of it. the irish singer earned four grammy nominations for the song and the album it was on. she also won the award for mtv 's video of the year. in 1991, rolling stone magazine named her artist of the year. >> ♪ ♪ ♪ >> o'connor's singing voice was extraordinary. pure power. >> ♪ ♪ ♪ >> and her stage presence, electric. but behind all of that were or perhaps helping fuel it, there was pain. lots of it. o'connor spoke about how her

mother abused her in a recent showtime documentary, called nothing compares. >> my mother was a very violent women, not a healthy woman mentally at all. and she was physically and verbally, and psychologically, spiritually, emotionally abusive. my mother was a beast, and i was able to soothe her with my voice. i was able to use my voice and make the devil fall asleep. >> some time after her parents divorced, o'connor, at age 14, was sent away to live in an asylum run by the order of our lady of charity. >> i was a bit messed up and it wasn't acknowledged what had happened to me in my mother's house. >> o'connor's mother died in a car accident in 1985. two years before her debut album was released. >> ♪ ♪ ♪ >> o'connor often used her music to address social issues and inspire change. in 1992, on "saturday night

live", o'connor tore up a photo of pope john paul ii to protest sexual abuse in the catholic church. >> ♪ ♪ ♪ >> fight the real enemy. >> in 1999, she became the first priestess of a dissident roman catholic group. and after the catholic priest sex abuse scandal broke wide open, she called on the vatican to stop covering up the truth, telling anderson cooper this in 2010. >> the one thing that the victims really require for healing, and so do the rest of us, as catholic people, is a full admission by the vatican that there was an active cover-up in operation for decades, since 1922. >> o'connor long struggled with her mental health. she attempted suicide at age 33. in 2017, she posted this video of herself at a motel in new jersey, in the midst of a mental breakdown. >> the people who suffered

mental illness are the most vulnerable people on earth. we can't take care of our [bleep] selves. >> a year later, she converted to islam and changed her name to -- last year, o'connor's 17 -year-old son, shane, died by suicide. o'connor shared this photo of the two of them just last week on twitter. despite saying in 2021 she would quit making music and touring, o'connor recently recorded the opening song for the hit show outlander seven season. >> ♪ ♪ ♪ >> sinead o'connor was 56. >> the news continues. the source with kaitlan collins is next, right after a quick break. according to consumer reports.

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