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investigating donald trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election wrapping up a meeting with the former president's legal team. trump posting new details about this meeting just minutes ago. plus wagner mercenary group founder, who recently led that short-lived revolt against putin, is spotted in st. petersburg. that's putin territory. what was he doing there? and what recession? a key indicator of economic strength came in better than expected. there are some warning signs to keep an eye on. we're following these major stories, and many more, all coming in here to "cnn news central." earlier today, lawyers for donald trump sat down face to face with special counsel jack smith. the man who brought an indictment for the mishandling of classified documents.
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and the man who could be prepping a second indictment tied to efforts to overturn the 2020 election. the grand jury in that probe is meeting as we speak. sources tell us that trump's attorneys hope today's meet would delay any potential indictment. katelyn polantz is outside the courthouse in washington, d.c. for us. and also with us is election lawyer ben ginsburg. katelyn, what did we learn about this meeting between trump's attorneys and jack smith? >> reporter: we're getting a little bit more detail about what happened in that meeting. according to kaitlan collins, the attorneys for donald trump, who went to that meet ing after receiving that warning from the justice department that donald trump was very likely to be indicted, they went in there not to argue with special counsel jack myth about the facts that he has gathered or to learn about the facts or to argue the case itself, but rather a broader idea of presenting an
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argument about indicting a f former president of the united states. someone that they believe, if he is facing an indictment now, could cause turmoil in the political environment across the country. and so that is one of the things that was coming out of this meeting. another thing coming out of this meeting is there wasn't a clear indication given to the trump defense lawyers about impactly what was going to happen next if there was going to be an indictment, what the potential timing of that would be. all of that is in flux. we are here at the federal courthouse because we are closely watching a grand jury that has worked for months and months not just with special counsel jack smith's pros prosecutors, but generally on what happened after the 2020 election, what happened on and leading up to january 6th. they have heard from witnesses from inside the white house. people as high up as vice president pensmike pence, who h those direct conversation cans with donald trump. all of this is something that the justice department could
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potentially bring together into a case, if they are still planning ongoing to the grand jury and asking them to approve an indictment. >> it is notable that at one point, trump was opposed to this meeting. now he says it was productive. >> reporter: right. so at first, donald trump was telling his lawyers or those around him, our sources, that he didn't want them to do a meeting like this. they did one the last time the special counsel indicted him. it didn't desuede the justice department from bringing a case. in this situation, trump appeared to be of the belief that it wouldn't change anything. this was already a done deal. the justice department had been working for quite a long time on a potential case here, had indicated he was a target, but it is one things that happened at the end of an investigation. social media today.ize it on
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ut o a statement saying, my attorneys had a productive meetinwith the doj this morning explaining in detail that i did nothing wrong was advised and an indictment of me would only further destroy our country. no indication of notice was given during the meeting. very close to the read out we have gotten from our own source here's at cnn. >> please standby. ben, i'm curious to get your perspective on that reporting. that trump's lawyers went in there not talking about the facts of the case or to seek what the special counsel was considering charging trump for, but to present the argument that indicting a former president over his efforts to overturn the 2020 election w08d bring about political chaos. what do you make of that? >> one of the things we have known is the trump lawyers are worried about not knowing all the evidence that the justice department has. so going in and arguing the facts at this point would
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probably not be productive. the chaos seems to be one that trump mentioned earlier this week. that his attorneys are coming back to. they probably also made the case that donald trump has defenses like the first amendment. and that overall, there is no precedent for indicting a former president, who also happens to be a presidential candidate. i'm sure they hit again and again on his supporters and the fear of chaos, if the system of justice moves forward the way all the reporting indicates it's going. >> how does all that discussion of potential turmoil shape a prosecution? it wasn't that long ago, i think
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it was a week or two ago that donald trump was talking about him being incarcerated as something that could be dangerous, hinting at potential violence. >> i don't think it does affect the prosecutors and the strength of the case. i think it makes trump feel better, which means his lawyers, who have a difficult client situation, are going to go in and make the argument that he always wants them to. one other thing that his lawyers might try to do in this session. to say the illegalities you're talking about, so that wasn't the president. that was the other people around him who were free lansing things. you can't blame the president for it. if you do try to blame the president, then in fact, that's when you get people in the straits. if you indict the underlinks, it would have the repercussions it would indicting me. >> the million dollar question,
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what happens next? how would we find out if donald trump is indicted? an announcement by the special counsel? does anybody know? >> reporter: we don't know when and if it's going to happen. or in the come ing days, but the are basically two ways that this can go. the grand jury can be asked to approve that indictment. they could have it go through the court system stamped by a judge. then it goes into the judicial process. it could become public quite soon after that. there is a way to do it that way. but the other option is that the justice department could want to keep things confidential for various reasons. and perhaps think would want to give donald trump and his team a little bit of time to make some arrangements. that is a possibility and that is how things went in florida where the grand jury was in all day. it felt like a quiet day.
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there were a little bit strange things that happened that day like prosecutors buying many snacks for the grand jury, but the end of the day, we weren't really sure if there was going to be an indictment of donald trump out of the federal courthouse in miami. donald trump found out about it many hours after the grand jury had left that federal courthouse. and the prosecutors had left. and he posted about it publically. that's how we learned of it first. so there was a call placed from the justice department to his team indicating to him that was happening. then we didn't even see the text of the case, the indictment itself, the facts until the next day when the justice department unsealed it. a lot of different possibilities, but we're going to be tracking everything by the minute here. >> we will be watching from every angle. katelyn polantz, ben ginsberg, thank you so much. we are following major
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developments overseas in rush kra. it's unprovoked invasion of ukraine. ukraine is now ramping up its counteroffensive after months of admittedly slow progress. ukraine issing the main bulk of its forces to that offensive. in the politics of russia, the wagner mercenary has been seen for the first time seance his wagner fighters launched a failed mutiny against poout last month. he said to have appeared in the same russian city as putin. the target of that armed rebellion. nic robertson is in london now. on the ongoing machinations inside the power structure of russia, here he is a few weeks ago launches a mutiny. turns up nsds russia and what was putin territory is still
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putin territory. he held a lot of power there in the '90s. what's the significance? >> i think there are a couple things in play here. he's a long-time ally of putin running the wagner mercenary group, doing putin's budding in africa. providing security through the stauts. and getting minerals like gold and diamonds as part of that deal. and this has been something that has done in cahoots with putin in the kremlin. it seems that he still has some currency with putin because he controls some of the levers to these interests in africa. now how long he controls them, we don't know. we don't know what kind of deal he got or put on him by putin. so it does seem bizarre. this major push against putin,
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he called it a betrayal or set of consequences p doesn't look like it on the face of it. >> no question. from putin who has tried to kill people, who just said critical things about him to this counteroffensive now, what do we know as to how much more force ukrainians are applying and where. >> they have committed more. they say they still have reserved force os to put into the fight. they say they have been going slowly because the area they are trying to get through is very heavily mined. they lack munitions in some cases. but as of a couple days ago, they were put ting up not just from the ukrainian side but the russian side as well saying that the ukrainians were using huge intense artillery barrages, which is typical for a big push. you send ground troops in after that. that seems to be what's happening.
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c ukrainians have taken territory from russians. the commanders on the ground there actually admit the loss of some front line villages. how visiting kans that's going to be we don't know. but it's interesting because the russians and military are saying we are having a tough time. yet they are saying not so much. we are crushing them and destroying their tanks. >> better reflection of reality has tended to be those folks on the front lines. nic robertson in london, thank you. let's continue this conversation with mark kimet. there has been some criticism or awareness that the koupt offensive has not proceeded as fast as some had hoped. now you have a sense that ukraine is committing more of its forces into this. how csignificant is that move? there have been some sense that until now, ukraine had held many of its forces back.
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>> i think you have to talk about the ukrainian plan at first. they have a 600-mile defense line they have to breakthrough. so for the last couple weeks, i think the ukrainians have been probing for the soft spots along that 600-meter line. it would appear they may have found a soft spot down in in one region. if they are able to do that and they are able to breakthrough that very, very extensive obstacle belt, that's where the commander is going to consider deploying those eight brigades in reserve. however, the russian commander knows that as well. so you can expect that he's going to be concentrating there as well. so maybe they can breakthrough and commit those eight brigades of western troops to finally conduct that breakthrough.
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>> this would be key. part of the plan from the beginning had been to push down to break that land bridge between crimea and eastern ukraine. you and i have talked about this. commanders make the point the rule of thumb is you need a 3 to 1 ratio. particularly positions like this, that they have had months to dig in and mine. u even with good planning and well-trained units breakthrough with a r ratio than that. >> we'll see. if in fact ukrainians have concentrated forces in a particular area to give them a 3 or 4 or 5 to 1 advantage in that narrow area, they maybe able to break through. things are much easier once you got through the obstacle belt and got through the barriers in the tanks.
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so at that point, that 3 to 1 calculous goes down much more to 1 to 1. much to watch. we'll bring developments as we see them. great to have you on. thank you so much. better than expected. the biggest measure of the u.s. economy just beat expectations. but economists are keeping a close eye on a potential weak spot. we'll explain. plus democrats taking on the republican colleague who is holding up nominations. the top military posts. their call for him to release the hostages, when we come back on "cnn news central." ♪ to guide you through a changing world. ♪
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since 1897. let's get to matt egan. walk us through the details. it's pretty good news. >> we have to start with the wall street hot streak. as you mention ed, thdow is down as we speak, but any gain today would be the lge win streak since 1897. that's crazy. just for some context, back then, the president of the united states was william mckinley and neither the boston red sox nor the yankees existed. the message from the economic numbers today is the same as what you're hearing from wall street. this economy is holding up really well. it's actually heating up. gdp out today, that's the broadest measure of the economy. it showed that the economy unexpectedly accelerated in the second quarter 2.4%, beat expec expectations. that's pretty solid, especially given the fact that thfeis
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trying so hard to slow this economy down. we also got good numbers on the jobs front. initial jobless claims, that's a proxy for layoffs. they fell sharply in the latest week.that's a good sign. it signals that the pace of layoffs is slowing. you can see layoffs did pick up earlier this year, but that is really starting to unwind. so if you put this together, it paints the picture of an economy that is pretty healthy. much healthier than people thought, especially the economists that had been predicting a recession. >> a world in which the yankees and red sox don't exist. we can all dream. it's not all good news. there are signs that spending is down. and gas prices have spiked in recent days. >> that's right. the gdp report did show spending slowed a bit. we heard a similar story from some consumer-facing companies, including coke cola, uni lever,
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but people are still spending on experiences. look at the blockbuster movie sales for barbie and all those soldout taylor swift condition certificates. but one thing we need to keep an eye on is the price of gas. it is unexpectedly soaring recently. the national average is now at $3.71 a gallon. up another 2 cents overnight. this is the highest level in eight nths, up 13 cents in just the past week. and if you look at theap, we have 13 statesveraging $3.80 or above, including pennsylvania, illinois, colorado, and california. the crazy thing here is why this is happening. part of it is the fact that oil prices have gone up. opec holds back supply. but it's also these extremely hot temperatures. triple-digit heat is messing with refineries, causing them to limit their supply of gasoline, jet fuel and diesel right when
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it's needed the most. hopefully this situation goes back towards normal, as temperatures cool off. >> ironic that climate change is causing issues in the very industry that has helped exacerbate it. >> fun fact, the miami heat were not around when mckinley was president as well. i wanted to make sure you were aware. on the hill, democrats are piling on new pressure taking to the senate floor late last night to try to convince senator tuberville to drop his hold on all military nominations. watch. >> one senator is jeopardizing america's national security. >> calls on hundreds of military promotions over a single policy disagreement is unconscionable. >> tuberville blocking some 270 promotions. the white house says president biden is planning to knock his
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blockade in a speech tonight when he marks the 75th anniversary of the desegregation of the u.s. military. he is blocking those promotions because tuberville does not approve of a pentagon policy of reimbursing military members who leave their state or to get abortions or other reproductive care. lauren fox is live on capitol hill. i wonder because you haven't just seen democratic criticism of this blockage here. you have heard if from some republican lawmakers and you certainly see a lot of family members go to the hill to lobby him directly. do you see any movement from his position? >> reporter: yeah, so far, tuberville is steadfasting that he's opposed to the policy, and until he gets a vote on the senate floor or until the dod reverses that policy on abortion travel reimbursement, he is not going to back off. we should remind people that tuberville can ultimately stop a nominee from getting confirmed
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in the senate, but he can really slow down this process. which is precisely what he's doing. if senate democrats wanted to put these nominees on the floor one by one, including summon like the marine, which the marine corp. has not been without in more than 160 years at this point, they could go to the floor and they could move that nomination. it would just take time. but so far, democrats are making the case that they do not want to set that precedent. what they don't want to do is create the politicization of the mil tear. that's why you saw democrats going to the floor and calling for these votes really have a talk to discuss the impact of these holds on military families across the country. here's jack reid, the chairman of the senate armed services committee. >> they should not be political pawns. now, before senator tuberville,
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we would be talking about our nominees. they are not nominees. they are hostages. we can't tolerate that. that's a disservice to these men and women, to our armed forces, to the men and women they lead. we have to do our duty. >> reporter: and republicans are frustrated with tuberville's tactics, although they do agree with the underlying fight he's having over that dod policy. but i asked john thune earlier whether or not he believes that this is going to break before the august recess. lawmakers are expected to depart in the next couple days, and he said, no, he doesn't. this is probably going to go on for many more weeks, just as military families are having to think about relocating, having to start new schools. the new school year is upon us. >> it's not their choice where they locate to. lauren fox, thank you so much.
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the pilot known for the miracle on the hudson emergency landing, retired captain and airline safety advocate sully zulen berg is coming for senator kricincinnati cincinnati. he's accusing her of trying to
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gut and cut airline training. her amendment would enable the faa to relax training requirements for commercial airline pilots, specifically the 1,500-hour rule. in a tweet, he said, quote, i have spent a lifetime dedicated to making air travel safer, but this critical and life-saving work is about to be undone with one amendment to a bill. the deadline to pass the faa reauthorization is on september 30th. joining us now is david zeus, a cnn safety analyst and former safety inspect or. david, thank you for being with us. how valid are captain sullenberger's concerns? >> very valid. i can see the damage that this bill would do. it has no credibility whatsoever. it's being touted as something that will improve safety, when it does exactly the opposite. >> and what issue specifically do you see with kristen sinema's
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amendment? >> what the pilots would be able to do is use any of their time they spend in a simulator to add towards the 1,500-hour requirement, which is preposterous. a simulator is nothing more than a tool to aid in the training and the different scenarios you go through. it cannot replace the mind set of a pilot in control of an aircraft to get those hours in experience. to put an inexperienced pilot in the dcockpit is a dangerous thig to do. >> i want to get your thoughts on senator sinema's reaction when she was asked about her plan by 12 news. she was asked, john thune and i are working on an amendment to enhance pilot training and ensure pilot acred the schools can use some of the hours in simulators towards their pilot training. she argues that time spent in a
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simulator is useful because they can simulate weather conditions that aren't as common when pilots are training in the air routinely. >> there's nothing different about that. they do that right now. that training does go on. it does expose them to different scenarios, but she's saying she's improving the training. it's different than reduce ing e experience rerequirement. you can't replace experience with training. it's two different things. they are for two different purposes entirely. >> so the issue that she's trying to address here is the pilot shortage. there's something like 8,000 pilots that we're short from. and in ten years, it's going to be 30,000 or so. what proposed measures would you suggest to try to fix that? >> increasing the age is number one. the second thing we need to do is get more pilots in the air. that requires approving things
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like electric airplanes that are out there now that prate at a quarter of the cost. the other thing is the airline industry has known this is coming down the pike for many years. they knew this storm was headed this way. they did nothing about it. now just recently, some of the airlines are actually paying for training to get pilots into training and get them certified and start feeding the pipeline of pilots. that needs to be expedited and supplemented by congress instead of reducing safety to meet this requirement. it's not the right way to go. you have to improve safety. the only way to do that is to get more people flying. what i would be doing is putting together some amendments to encourage young pilots to go out and get hours and fly and become trainers and get those hours underneath them. that's the only way you're going to get these. the airline industry has been writing on the backs of the military for so many years. we're just not getting them the pilots from the military due to the drones and the fact that there aren't that many military actions right now.
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so that's what they have been riding on. now the airlines must take this under their own responsibility and know that they have to start feeding the pipeline of pilots quickly. >> david, thank you so much for the perspective. we appreciate it. >> thank you, boris. right now, there's growing international concern about the african nation as soldiers claim power after the president's own guards reportedly seized him. plus a cnn exclusive. we speak to a baltimore musician who says he was hired to organize a protest and never knew his clients had links to pro-beijing operatives. >> nothing anti-american. i want to keep stressing that.
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now to some of the headlines we're watching this hour. new developments where a military coup appears to be taking place. men in military fatigues claimed to have taken over power in the country. this comes a day after members of the president's own guard reportedly seized him. just hours ago, reuters reports supporters of the coup set fire to the ruling party's headquarters. police are using tear gas to disperse the crowd there. back home a controversial pipeline project in west virginia is now moving forward. the supreme court allowed the pipeline project to continue. lifting a lower court order that halted the project. climate activists argue the pipeline harms the environment. the biden administration supports the project.
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and new video out of california shows a fedex driver pull a man what from a burning car. cnn affiliate there captured the brave rescue. the hero delivering driver says he immediately jumped into action while another driver helped put the fire out. officials say the victim suffered major but nonlife threatening injuries. >> this can be one of scariest things. a cybersecurity company found that pro china operatives copied russia disinformation tactics to try to disrupt democracy here in the united states. cnn spoke exclusively with an american who eadmits he was doig the operative's work, but he had no clue who his real boss was. more now from cnn.
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>> this protest looked like any other demonstration, but according to experts, all is not quite what it seems. they were reportedly hired by a pr group with links to chinese state media. >> they are essentially a pro prc propaganda operation. >> reporter: the chief analyst at a sieper security firm owned by google released a report alleging that says its content partners include chinese state imme media hired unwitting americans to organize pros tests in washington, d.c. >> they were essentially a factor, but they really escalated their tactics. this were able to get essentially roving protests to happen and ended up in front of thwhite house. this is a really aggressive tactic. >> reporter: the aim of the firm is to spread pro-china pro propaganda and stoke division in the u.s. >> we did a demonstration that dealt directly with black lives matter and also pro choice. >> reporter: the americans that
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stage d the protest is a 24-year-old from baltimore who told cnn he was hired through the popular free lansing network. >> go to this event. get some information. take some photos and do some transcribing. >> reporter: he was first asked to cover the international freedom summit as a journal ist and the protest requests came later. he said he had no idea he was working if for an entity push ing pro-china messaging. >> nothing anti-america. they said, hey, what kind of demonstrations could you possibly put on? would you be down to do something? do you have any ideas? i said two things. black lives matter. and this abortion situation that happened with the supreme court. >> he's an entrepreneur and activist. he runnings his own company and performed at the kennedy center. like many americans working in the gig economy, he sells
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freelance services where transactions are anonymous. >> did you speak to anybody on the phone? >> i did not. >> that ability for him to remain anonymous is a boom for influence operations. >> covert influence has been around, but there's been an explosion of that capability. >> three months later, the same contact asked him to stage another one. this time against a u.s. ban on goods produced in a region in chi china. >> when we were asked about that project, i personally, a lot of people on my team, felt that america was doing the right thing by stopping production in that region of the world.
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so wi say, listen, unequivocall, we're not telling the story from one side. we are going to tell a neutral story about this. >> he stage d a fake protest usd a as reenactment video, but that never came to fruition and the chinese group posted these images to social media making it look like a real protest. >> clearly, you're a smart guy. this whole thing about staging a protest for a documentary, surely, something about this must not have smelled right to you. >> that was my idea. >> but when they said, hey dorks a demonstration that is about a policy that relates to china and national security. >> in no way, shape or form seem odd to me. if it did, ien wouldn't have put myself in the situation that felt odd. >> does it matter to you if this is some kind of operation run
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tied to beijing or not? >> of course. if this is an organization that'sen antiamerican that's going to impede or disrupt or cause harm to the more than people, i care. how could i not care. >> this appears to be a pretty sophisticated campaign for its part. the chinese government is denying that it has anything to do with any of this. a spokesperson for the embassy here in washington, d.c. told cnn on monday that it was not aware of this it report and said, i want to stress that china has always adhered to noninterference into internal affairs. the platform where he was hired by this group told cnn in a statement that this kind of behavior from this alleged group is a clear violation of its terms of service. i just want to show you one more thing. this is a screen shot from a report on az central, the website of the arizona republic. this alleged chinese group managed to get an article published on the their website about the protest it paid to
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stage in washington, d.c. the group leveraged an automated wire service to get this on to a real website. the publy case hindication has removed that article and informed the wire service of the misinformation. but this is really a sign of some sfophisticated stuff and really something to keep in mind as we go into the 2024 u.s. election campaign season. cnn, washington. >> important story there, disinformation is still alive and well. a police canine handler was fired after he was caught releasing a dog on an unarmed black man after a pursuit. what the officer is heard saying in new video just released from that incident. that's coming up next on "cnn news central." that's my boy. ♪ stay off the freeways! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty.y. liberty. liberty. ♪ ♪ when you have chronic kidney disease... there are places you'd like to be. like her
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♪ the ohio police officer who released a police k9 dog an unarmed black driver is now removed from his position. video shows that handler, circleville police officer ryan speakman pacing after he was attacked. a warning this footage is upsetting. >> did i not say -- did i not say -- >> yeah. >> i think it's a justifiable -- >> the police department there says the decision to fire that officer came following a review
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of the incident when found that speakman did not meet the department's standards and expectations. cnn's polo sandoval joins us with more details, paolo, there were a lot of things from this encounter, from start to finish, this one, of course, the most disturbing of all of them. is this where it stops there? he loses his job? are there any other repercussions? >> reporter: you know, john, this video that i originally obtained you see how it will play out, circleville pd announcing the resignation of officer speakman. they say his actions simply did not meet the standards of their police officers. you'll see why. the video i obtained from the pick ka way county sheriff's office. they were there to support the ohio state state troopers.
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i'm going to play you the exact portion considered by investigators. it's extremely disturbing to see. you will see ohio state troopers keeping mr. rose at gunpoint seems to be under control. but then officer speakman arrives and things take a very disturbing turn in only seconds, take a look. >> get on the ground or get bit. >> final chance or you'll get bit. >> all right. all right. hold on, hold on. do not -- do not -- >> no, no, no, no. >> dog. dog. >> that scramble from state troopers it's very clear at this new angle, jim as for the reach
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out of the attorney on the police officer, we have done that the union that's defending him immediately file a grievance after his determination saying he was fired without just cause. >> you know, it's interesting watching that video for the second time, i did not realize he was on his knees, actually. >> right. >> when the dog attacked with his hands up, he went down to his knees just remarkable. polo sandoval, thank you. boris. trump's legal team meeting with special counsel but is an indictment coming and when? we'l'll take you live outside t fedederal courthouse when we co back. ♪ (please don't go) ♪ ♪ (please don't go) ♪ ♪ (pleasese don't go) ♪ ♪ (don't gooo) ♪ ( ♪ ♪ ) ♪ (don't go away) ♪ pre-order now and get a free storage upgrade. ♪ (please don't go) ♪
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