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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening. tonight on "360," new reporting about the identity of a mystery employee and key witness mentioned in those new charges filed against the former president. we'll talk to george conway, just how worried the former president should be. new information on another mystery surrounding the former president's new codefendant in the classified documents case, carlos de oliveira, how did a maintenance worker end up in a federal indictment? cnn has obtained exclusive access to never-before-seen footage of ukrainian manned sea drones they're using against the russians in the black sea. good evening. as we get closer to a decision whether the former president will face a second indictment from the special counsel regarding the 2020 election,

tonight we have new information about the charges they added yesterday in the classified documents case, including the identity of a key witness. more information about that new codefendant that we talked about, as well as the former president's reaction. first, though, it's important to point out the shifting explanations the former president has given about the documents and his handling of them. starting last year with his response, the august 8th search of mar-a-lago by the fbi, publicly, the former president expressed surprise. and he claimed he'd been, quote, working and cooperating with the relevant government agencies. well, two days later, he suggested on social media that the fbi may have planted evidence during the search. his exact words were, they wanted to be alone without any witnesses to see what they were doing, taking, or hopefully not planting. of course he offered no evidence, which as you'll see, he rarely does. by the next month, he had a new explanation. there were no classified documents at mar-a-lago, according to him, because he'd already declassified everything. >> it doesn't have to be a process, as i understand it. you know, there's different people say different things. but as i understand, there doesn't have to be. if you're the president of the

united states, you can declassify just by saying, it's declassified. even by thinking about it. in other words, when they left the white house, they were declassified. >> but the special counsel's office appears to have evidence that undercuts that defense, as cnn exclusively reported a short time later, sources said the national archive has evidence from the special counsel that the former president knew and perhaps disregarded an established declassification process, one that does not include just thinking about it, to quote the former president. and the special counsel has a recording of the former president allegedly showing several unauthorized people in an iran battle plan document, admitting on tape that it is classified and he knows it, and admitting he can't declassify it. >> as president, i could have declassified it, but now i can't. but this is classified. >> cnn first reported the transcript of that moment that you just heard back on june 9th. now, that's a day after he was indicted by special counsel jack smith in the classified documents case, when obviously

the legal jeopardy phase rose exponentially. initially we did not have the audio of that discussion, just the transcript, which indicates -- the transcript indicated you could hear him shuffle through papers. and appear to show people in the room that attack plan on iran. the former president sat with fox news and came up with yet another explanation about that, about why he hadn't returned sensitive military documents and whether he still had one that pertained to iran attack plans. >> they asked for it. >> no. we were talking. >> and then they said -- they went to doj to subpoena you -- >> which they've never done before. >> right. why not just hand them over then? >> because i had boxes. i want to go through the boxes and get all my personal things out. i don't want to hand that over to -- and i was very business busy, as you've sort of seen. >> according to the indictment, you tell this aide to move to other locations after telling your lawyers you fully complied with the subpoena when you hadn't.

>> before i send boxes, i have to take all of my things out. these boxes were interspersed with all sorts of things, golf shorts, clothing, shoes. there were many things. >> iran war plans? >> not that i know of. not that i know of. >> he's no longer claiming he could and did declassify everything. then eight days later, cnn obtained the audio of the discussion, and we could all hear him say that these documents were secret. later that day came his next shifting line of defense that there was no classified document on his desk when he was talking to that group of people, that it wasn't real. quoting the president, i would say it was bravado, if you want to know the truth. i was talking and holding up papers, but i had no documents. i didn't have any documents. then today we heard him swing back to one of his first excuses, saying this to breitbart. >> i'm protected by the presidential records act totally.

it shouldn't even be a case. it's not a criminal case. >> so, there's that. and now cnn has learned that very real iran battle plan document was returned to the national archives in january of last year. so, we start tonight off with paula reid and the new information about the latest charges from the special counsel. what have you learned, paula? >> it's really interesting, in our reporting over the past several days, on the extent to which the former president went to to get around his own lawyers, really relying on lower level employees at mar-a-lago. for example, anderson, we've learned that one of the employees who's referenced in a critical moment in this indictment is yuscil taveras. he's an information technology worker. he's in charge of the surveillance footage and how it's stored. he finds himself at the center of this case because of a conversation he had with a property manager at mar-a-lago, who has now been added as a codefendant here, carlos de oliveira. de oliveira asked taveras to have a private conversation in an audio booth where he inquired

about exactly how long the footage was stored and if it could be deleted. now, taveras said he wasn't sure he had the authority to do that. but he was told that, quote, the boss, aka trump, wanted it deleted. now, taveras' attorney declined to comment to cnn. but it's just another example of how relatively low level employees at mar-a-lago have been caught up in this because the former president has relied on them, right, in an effort to get around his lawyers, who may have steered him another way. >> do we know if he could be charged? he's clearly already, i assume he's already talked to the special counsel, which is why he's so -- why he's been mentioned as that eyewitness in the superseding indictment. >> yeah, pretty much everyone who's worked at mar-a-lago, again, from the grounds keeper all the way up to the head of security for the trump organization, has spoken with the special counsel. but so far it doesn't appear that taveras has exposed himself criminally in any way, although his colleague carlos de

oliveira, he opened himself up to criminal liability by allegedly being dishonest with the fbi. anderson, we know smart, accomplished people from martha stewart to general petraeus have opened themselves up to criminal vulnerability by just not being honest. once you are not honest with the fbi, it's easy for the government to press you into being guilty. that's what the special counsel thought they could do with walt nauta. it's what they thought they could do with carlos de oliveira. so far they've been unsuccessful. but no indication that taveras will be added as another codefendant. >> i'm joined by george conway. contributing columnist to the washington post for example. george, the superseding indictment, it is incredibly detailed. it's got detailed timeline. it clearly seems many people at mar-a-lago, to paula reid's point, have been giving useful evidence to the special prosecutor. what stood out to you? >> i mean, everything stands out to me. they had him dead to rights. they had him dead to rights back when they executed the first

warrants and they came up with these documents. there is a smoking arsenal here. people making a big deal about what we saw in the superseding indictment yesterday. but the fact of the matter is, it's just icing on a very, very large cake of mind boggling inculpatory evidence against donald trump. he's like a never-ending bottomless pit of illegality. here, by asking his workers to destroy the video tape, i mean, he was obstructing justice. but he wasn't just obstructing justice. he was obstructing justice about his prior efforts to obstruct justice because those videotapes showed how he and walt nauta were moving those boxes around. just like in the mueller report. the mueller report explains how trump tried to get his white house counsel to get the special counsel then bob mueller to resign. and then when it hits the newspapers that he did that,

trump asked the white house counsel to write a false memo saying that it didn't happen. and, again, he's obstructing justice about obstructing justice. he's like a matryoshka doll of criminality, this man. he's not making it easier for himself. he's being unfair to himself because he's making it so easy for prosecutors. 1/10 of the evidence they have could put him away for the rest of his life. >> i guess it shouldn't surprise anybody, but it's still to me disturbing the degree to which he had no compunction about involving a guy who works in the property management and this guy, nauta, who is clearly very loyal to him, but, you know, low-level employees who can't afford attorneys of their own. these are the people he reached down to to do his dirty work. and they were scurrying around asking questions about -- they didn't know how to erase the

security cameras. so, now they expose themselves to other people because that's what the boss wants. >> yeah. i mean, it's -- he doesn't think of anyone but himself. it's all about him. everyone else -- all of us, the american public, the country, is expendable to donald trump when it comes to saving his own skin. and that's what he did here to these poor people. i mean, these poor -- they were just being loyal to him. they're really not well -- probably not very sophisticated in the ways of the world and certainly in legal matters. and they wanted to please him, and he abuses it. and then he basically locks them in with them so that they are stuck with them. and they are represented by lawyers who -- he owns these people. and he's just using them and destroying their lives, as he destroys his own life. >> i want to play something that

house speaker kevin mccarthy told cnn's manu raju today. >> what concerns me is you have a sitting president that has a situation like this, but nothing is happening. >> obstruction versus the -- that's two different issues. >> it's not two different issues. how does one keep being indicted and the other does not. >> the difference is manu was trying to explain that when president biden's team discovered classified documents, they reported to the national archives, while the former president allegedly took action to avoid having to give the documents back even after a subpoena, obstructed the investigation, according to the doj. i mean, it's a disingenuous argument from the house speaker. >> oh, it's beyond disingenuous. it's a disgrace. these people are treating voters as idiots. and that's -- i mean, that's basically a hallmark of today's republican party is that they are willing to defend and

probably nominate a lifelong criminal as their standard bearer, as the presidential candidate for 2024. and they have no compunction about it. they'll say absolutely anything. they'll make any false analogy. they'll make any false comparison of comparing trump to people who actually didn't intentionally conceal documents and didn't have people try to destroy evidence about their concealment of the documents. it is absolute, a complete disgrace that the republicans aren't saying, enough, this is enough. and i guess -- i don't think they ever will. >> george conway, thanks very much. i want to bring in our senior legal analyst, elie honig, author of "untouchable: how powerful people get away with it." obviously the special counsel would like these two codefendants to cooperate. would they still be able to get to work out some sort of a deal -- if oliveira suddenly woke up and realized the trouble

he's in, and was willing to, could he get a deal? >> absolutely, yes. people can cooperate at any time. from a prosecutor's point of view, the earlier the better. i've seen people cooperate not even on the eve of trial, but during trial. >> there was this 24-minute phone call between the former president and the guy who worked at mar-a-lago. >> right. >> in advance of him going down and trying to erase these tapes. >> right. and even if they don't have the content of that phone call -- it doesn't appear it was recorded -- just the fact of a 24-minute phone call really tells you something. >> but if he would cooperate, he would tell what was on that phone call. >> question one, what were you talking about in that phone call. >> 24 minutes with the former president of the united states. >> think how long 24 minutes is to be on the phone with somebody. michael cohen said, at times, but only if he was strategizing with me. to speak with somebody who is a property manager is remarkable. the government does not need these guys to cooperate. they have a strong case based on the text, the audio, the documents themselves.

if they do cooperate, and i'm a prosecutor, i'm ecstatic, but i don't need them. >> the employee number four, as reported, does he seem to be a cooperating witness? >> he seems to be somebody who is cooperating with the government without incriminating himself. it seems like there's an important line here between the new defendant, mr. de oliveira, and this guy, employee number four, one of whom is charged and one who is not. de oliveira knew this was criminal and took steps to promote it. it looks like employee four was asked to do this crime, to wipe out the surveillance video, and. so, employee four will be a crucial government witness, but it looks like he's an ideal witness for the government because he actually separated himself from the criminal conduct, and that's why he's not charged. >> i've heard different perspectives on whether or not

this delays the start of the trial. where do you stand? >> i think it will. when you supersede as a prosecutor, it's a powerful tool. you get to add new people and charges. the downside of that you have to understand is you are opening the door for the defense to go to the judge and say, hey, there's new stakes here, there's new charges. if you're donald trump, you say three new charges. if i'm convicted of any of them, i'm going to prison, i'm entitled to more time to prepare. next time they're in front of the judge, that motion will be made. there's a basis for the judge to move the trial back more. up next, new details about how the low level mar-a-lago employee got swept up in this alleged crime and is charged in the indictment. and who is carlos de oliveira, the man in the indictment who calls the former president the boss. also an exclusive report on a weapon you've likely never seen used before in ukraine, unmanned sea drones used to hit russian ships. ok, dad, next take more speed. more speed. the best performance is high performance. find it at the lexus golden opportunity sales event.

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humpty dumpty does it with a great fall. wonderful pistachios. get crackin' the new superseding indictment in the classified documents case against the former president included a mystery that we're only beginning to unravel today, who is this new codefendant carlos de oliveira. he faces four charges including obstruction and false statements. the new indictment lists him as a property manager at mar-a-lago. he's also worked as a valet. the question is, how did a low-level employee at mar-a-lago get involved with the former president of the united states and a federal indictment involving the former president? randi kaye has more. so, what have you been able to learn about him? >> well, anderson, this guy wasn't even on the radar of anyone who cnn spoke with.

and this includes former and current trump aides and allies who spent time at mar-a-lago. as you said, he was listed in the indictment as a property manager. but the picture that we're getting is of a guy who was this low-level maintenance worker, who did these odd jobs around mar-a-lago. he didn't interact with the club members. he wasn't privy to high-level conversations. he wasn't part of donald trump's inner circle. he just was basically a maintenance worker, a property manager there. people didn't even know who he was until this indictment came down. what you have is this guy who was relatively unknown, who seemed to have been brought in allegedly to do donald trump's dirty work and get rid of this security camera footage, anderson. i know you went looking for him today. >> yeah, we tried to find him at his apartment in palm beach gardens about 20 minutes north of mar-a-lago. we knocked on the door. nobody answered.

nobody came to the door. we did speak to his landlord by phone. the landlord described him as a good friend and a good guy. he said if he does know anything, he does need to come clean. the landlord didn't want to come on camera, but we spoke to a neighbor who lives across the way. he's known him a few years, not very well but on and off, and i asked him what he thinks of his neighbor being indicted, and this is what he told me. >> i think that it's -- anybody that gets involved with donald trump, he's a train wreck. and anybody that gets involved with donald trump ends up somewhere in a bad place. i don't think that guy had any knowledge of what he was doing, none. and, you know, he's caught in the net. now he's got to walk himself out of it. >> what about oliveira's lawyer? >> we reached out to -- cnn reached out to his lawyer, john irving. he's a d.c.-based lawyer. we did not hear back. but we did confirm that irving's law firm was paid nearly

$200,000 by trump's super pac, save america. that was in 2022. now, we also know that carlos de oliveira will need a florida-based attorney in order to make his first court appearance on monday in miami. if he doesn't get that, anderson, that first appearance could be delayed. >> randi, appreciate it. perspective from intelligence analyst john miller, former new york police department deputy commissioner. john, as a young cub hungry reporter, i remember watching you chasing mob guys down the street. i mean, you were covering the new york mob for a long, long time. reading this -- the details in these indictments, the new charges that came out yesterday, i mean, does it remind you of sort of, like, low rent mob talk? >> so, it kind of does, anderson, because if you look for the parallels in there, you know, reading the superseding indictment, it's like, who wants this done? >> the boss. >> the boss. it's the boss, right?

they don't say, the president, ceo, they don't say mr. trump. the boss. and they're saying the boss for a reason. it's like they're not supposed to speak his name in this regard. >> there's also i think a signal conversation where he's sort of checking the loyalty of de oliveira. is he good? is he good? >> just need to know if carlos is good, meaning, is he still with us, is he going to talk to the feds is what's implied there. >> and when nauta said he was good, then the former president agreed to give him an attorney? >> right. and i mean, you know, if you look at the john gotti case, you know, he was called the teflon don because he had beat three cases before he finally went down in the fourth. but, you know, the defense strategy was, i pick everybody's lawyers. i, you know, handle paying everybody's lawyers. i, not the lawyers, figure out the defense strategy. and it's interesting listening

to the trump lawyers, as they kind of come off the defense team one and two at a time saying, you know, off the record to people or on background, you know, i just couldn't stay there because, you know, he's not letting his lawyers be lawyers. so, there are the similarities. but if he beats, you know, three indictments and a couple more are coming, he really is the teflon don. so, we'll have to see. but if you talk about the mob parallel, the georgia case that fani willis is bringing, the prosecutor down there, it is built under the state's racketeering laws. so, basically she's charging donald trump and others acting in concert as a racketeering enterprise that was engaged in criminal activity on multiple fronts to overturn a fairly don election in violation of the law. so, the parallels are there. >> also, all the -- sort of the skulduggery of spending people to try to check to see if the security cameras can be wiped

clean. it's all just so sort of poorly handled. i mean, you would think, this is a former president of the united states, and the people he's relying on is, you know, this -- >> so, there's a reason. there's a reason for that. i talked to two sources today who know their way very well around the trump organization and its mechanics. and, you know, they said, first of all, we don't understand the obstruction of justice charge for attempting to destroy these tapes. i mean, nobody deleted them. the fbi didn't unearth them from the bottom of the delete files and the servers. this, you know, was somebody came in to security, said, you know, we want to delete the server. that person called their boss who called their boss. and the answer was, no, we're not doing that. and, you know, the trump organization ended up turning over not just the tapes but the entire servers with the entire 45-day period over it. but the reason for that, i mean, the core of your question is, if

donald trump had gone to these executives and said, i want to delete the servers, they would have said, we're not doing that. if he'd said to his lawyers, i want to delete the servers, we have a draft subpoena sitting there, that is the definition of obstruction of justice. so, he reached down into the organization to people who wouldn't know how to say no to a donald trump and said get this done. >> to their boss. thanks very much. the former president along with the entire field of the 2024 presidential campaign, the republican field, are all speaking at the same event in iowa tonight. kyung lah is at the dinner, has the key moments. i'll talk to frank luntz about the way he says he sees trump could be defeated. ...with smarter, more efficient routes... ...so you can deliver more value to your customers. fast. reliable. perfectly orchestrated. the united states postal service. rich, velvety coffee. café quality espresso. one high-pressure system that can do both.

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for the first time tonight, former president trump and florida governor ron desantis are at the same event in iowa. the lincoln dinner is drawing all 13 republican candidates in

the 2024 presidential race. kyung lah is there, joins us now. have any of the candidates addressed trump's latest indictment? >> reporter: well, the event is ongoing right now. you have mike pence speaking right behind me, anderson. that's why i'm speaking at a low volume. among these major candidates, including the former vice president, they have not taken trump head on or addressed these new charges head on. what we did hear earlier in the day in an interview that ron desantis did, he actually did say that republicans have to not pay attention to these distractions, had to look beyond the investigations or they will lose. i want you to take a listen. >> if the election becomes a referendum on what document was left by the toilet at mar-a-lago, we are not going to win. >> reporter: that's among the most direct that ron desantis has been taking on these charges and saying that he wants to offer a different path.

he has talked about these distractions before, anderson, but it's a difficult thread because even being here in this room, anderson, you can feel that this is a largely supportive room of donald trump and the people who have basically tried to talk about culture wars, like ron desantis. they're the ones who have really been largely supported and embraced. >> you've been speaking to republicans at the dinner tonight about the former president's indictment. what have they been saying? >> reporter: you know, it's really interesting because you can talk about the specifics of these charges, about the surveillance video, about espionage. and what you hear again and again is they're largely dismissive. they will say that, look, it's too much information. what are they going to come up with next? and, again, almost parrot what donald trump has said, that they do believe that this is a two-tiered justice system. and there appears to be very little that is breaking through beyond what they're hearing from trump. anderson? >> thanks.

pollster frank luntz joins us now. he's hosted more than two dozen focus groups are trump voters. you're incredibly pessimistic about this race. >> i'm pessimistic about the position of our country right now. all i hear is anger. i hear polarization. >> you see that in the focus groups? >> every time with the one exception. that's iowa. iowans are more gentle. iowans are more respectful. i think it's because there's a large religious, conservative component there. >> but in focus groups, you actually have democrats and republicans -- >> no, i have republicans and republicans arguing with each other. we're all at war with each other, and we all do so to demonize. we do so to own, rather than listening and learning. we have to project. we want to speak, and we don't want to listen. >> and is that new in your experience? >> it's never been like this, and it started in 2016 and it got worse in 2020.

and i actually stopped doing focus groups for a year in 2021 because i couldn't take it anymore. it's ridiculous. and now that food fight has a degree of ugliness that i've never seen before. i did a speech today to elected officials. i was actually yelled at by one of those officials because i complimented someone. i said to this gentleman, i empathize with you. and she thought that the compliment or the expression of empathy was undeserved. we can't even compliment each other right now without getting criticized. >> do any of these other republican candidates who are running, what do you hear from the focus groups about the level of support for the former president? >> the one i'm looking for in iowa, it's the first vote, it's the first time for voters to express themselves and the first time for candidates to be heard. the one that's rising is tim scott. and it's interesting because he's the least negative. in new hampshire, the one that's rising is chris christie, and

he's the most likely to challenge donald trump. iowa and new hampshire are like night and day. don't assume that you'll get from the whole field what happens in those two states. but they've all met presidential candidates. they've all met a president, so they're more sophisticated than the average republican. >> the calculation or the argument that supporters of president biden has made is he's the only guy who can beat donald trump, that he's proven he can beat donald trump. >> i think -- i don't buy that at all. it's the same people who say that a third-party campaign definitely elected donald trump. it's simply not accurate from the polling, from the research that's done. joe biden's the weakest candidate. donald trump's the weakest candidate. a majority of their own party voters don't want them to run. and yet they lead their respective primaries by so much. and it's one of the reasons why i'm unwilling to say that trump's the nominee, even though he's got a bigger lead than ever in republican politics. >> why do you think he might not be the nominee? >> because there is a weakness to him that the other candidates have not figured out how to

exploit. that weakness is he promised a lot, but he delivered a little. how long is the wall? 47, 50 miles. he said mexico would pay for it. the last time i checked, no money came to him. he promised to appeal obamacare. did he? i don't want to take an argument of some presidential candidate, but he said he was going to cut wasteful washington spending. the spending and the debt went up higher. the candidates haven't figured out how to articulate that yet. >> you think there are other democrats out there who could beat president -- former president trump? >> no. oh, the democrats? cory booker could beat him. mitch landrew could beat him. gretchen whitmer could beat him. but they're not going to get the chance because joe biden doesn't want to step aside. the thing i say to people watching right now who endorse joe biden, what happens if something should happen to him in those last six months?

it's then too late to replace him. we've never had a president that's so old. we've never had a president in this condition. again, i don't want to take sides. i'm a pollster. but these other candidates would be better candidates against donald trump. >> so, what is it you think stops the former president, donald trump, from being the republican nominee? >> by challenging the fact that what he said is not what he did. it's not yelling at him. >> but are theoretical debates really what is going to eat into the support that the former president has? >> the reason why it's a smart decision for him not to debate politically is because you can't challenge him that way if he's not there. the reason why -- >> but you don't believe his 30% is just ride or die, doesn't matter what the prosecutors say, doesn't matter what the -- that his arguments don't hold up or that he didn't do much, they just like the guy and they're going to go with him. >> your number is actually correct. it is exactly 30%. but 30% doesn't deliver the election. the one thing that viewers at home should know is that the

republican primaries are winner take all by congressional district and sometimes by state-wide. so, if donald trump wins by 2% or 3% or 5%, he still gets the lion's share of delegates. that is in his favor. i just know from all of my research that if his voters learn that he made these promises and none of them he delivered on, the promises that mattered to people, then he becomes weaker. >> frank luntz, really appreciate it. >> thank you, it's a privilege. coming up next, an exclusive report about a secret weapon in ukraine's arsenal. it is a sea drone packed with explosives, and according to its pilot, russian ships have a hard time stopping it, like this one. we'll be right back. was that good? i couldn't tell. there's no such thing as out of bounds. find adventure at the lexus golden opportunity sales event. ( ♪ )

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tonight we have an exclusive report out of ukraine. cnn got access to a weapon that ukrainian forces are using in the black sea. they're sea drones, remote controlled, extremely effective. that's video of one of them ramming a russian ship. alex marquardt got a look at them, and here's his exclusive report. >> reporter: at a secret makeshift ukrainian military base, one of the newest pieces of ukraine's arsenal is lowered into the water. the war is out into the open water, under the control of this pilot, who asked we don't show

his face. this is ukraine's latest sea, or surface, drone, designed to attack russia in the black sea. they've never been shown to the public before. this model is armed with 300 kilograms, or almost 700 pounds, of explosive, and can hit a target 800 kilometers, 500 miles, away. they're very easy to control, and they have severely limited the russian navy's movements. ukraine's sends its sea drones out hunting, plowing through the waves. if spotted, the russian ships frantically open fire. sometimes the russians get lucky and manage to take them out. other times, the drones break through the hail of bullets and reach their targets. last october, ukrainian sea drones carried out a stunning attack on the home port of the russian black sea fleet in russian occupied crimea, targeting the flagship, the admiral mccarof.

this drone can attack, carry out surveillance and reconnaissance. it is entirely ukrainian designed and produced, according to its developer, who also asked for anonymity for security reasons. how effective are the russian offenses against these drones? >> not effective. they can't hit such small drones. these are faster than anything else in the black sea. >> reporter: a stunning predawn attack last week on russia's kerch bridge shows the havoc they can reach. the bridge, which is a vital supply line from russia to crimea, was hit by two drones and left heavily damaged. in response, russia said they launched days of intense strikes on seaside odesa, alleging that the ukrainian port city houses the sea drones. >> russia's equipment is from the 20th century and ours is from the 21st. there are 100 years between us. >> alex, incredible reporting.

do you know how many of these drones they have? are they able to make a lot of them? >> they won't put a number on those, anderson. they -- that number is classified. but it's clear that they are putting an emphasis, a real priority on this. this is somewhere they can take the fight to the russians in the black sea and particularly in the wake of that grain deal falling apart and russia threatening ukrainian ships and other international ships. this is certainly something, a program, that ukraine wants to continue to build up. >> how is ukraine progressing overall in their counteroffensive? >> it's slow-going anderson. it's modest. what we're seeing now is encouraging for the ukrainians. the number of forces that are being committed to the fight on both sides appears to be growing. the pace appears to be increasing. ukraine is claiming to have just taken the town of -- it's a small place.

it's in shambles right now but it's important because it's the first town they have taken in several weeks. the goal here by the ukrainians on the southern front is to try to split the ukrainian -- the russian forces in the south. and so what we're seeing now is some advancement, some success. but it really is quite slow going. but that is the priority, to try to get those ukrainian forces down to the sea of azov. now, some 60 miles away from this front line in the city of dnipro tonight, anderson, the fourth biggest city in ukraine, we have seen a terrifying missile strike. president zelenskyy and other ukrainian officials saying that missiles struck a high-rise residential building as well as the building that houses the sbu, which is the security services. two missiles, according to eyewitnesses, slammed into those buildings. we were in that city just two weeks ago. we spoke with an eyewitness tonight, who said it was very

scary, that people were screaming. they were running for the basement. she said she was staying at her office tonight so she had access to a basement in case there is another attack. at the same time, anderson, russia is accusing ukraine of firing missiles into southern russia. they say that they were able to take down the missiles with air defenses. but the debris from at least one of the missiles fell onto a city called taganrog, and a number of people were injured. so here you have both ukraine and russia, both sides tonight, anderson, accusing each other of raining terror down on their citizens. still ahead, scientists warning the world is experiencing the hottest temperatures ever felt before in history, and it's starting to take a major toll on everyday life. i'll speak to the director of burn services in arizona, where temperatures on the streets are reaching an excess of 170 degrees and the pavement is so hot people are getting severely injured, even killed. hospitals are seeing patients

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>> the scorching summer heat has me july the planets hottest month on record. the month has not ended yet according to two climate groups. in arizona, it has been dangerously hot for the last 29 consecutive days. phoenix over hundred and 10 degrees. pavement temperatures in excess of 170 degrees. icus are seeing a lot of people with brain injuries after falling on the ground. joining me from phoenix is dr. kevin foster, the director of the arizona burn center. they say 80% of their icu beds are full with severe and sometimes life-threatening burns. >> this sounds just incredible. you cannot describe what you are seeing in the burn center with people that have fallen or

gotten burns from the payment from hot surfaces. >> right. arizona summer times are really hot and very sunny. pavement and rocks and asphalt and sidewalks can get to be 170 to 180 degrees fahrenheit. that is just a little bit below the boiling point of water. we are seeing people who are falling down, cannot get up and getting really bad burns as a result of that. >> how does it compare to other summers? >> so, we expect this . in the burn center, we expect it to be our busiest season and we are going to see people who fall down and get burns, like this. we have seen a unique spike in the incidence of these types of burns and in their severity. >> what populations are most susceptible to these kind of

injuries? >> we see a couple of populations of people. first of all, elderly people who are easily affected by the heat and sunlight and can go down and cannot get back up again. children, people with medical problems and unfortunately, we are seeing a spike in people using methamphetamine. right now, methamphetamine in arizona is contaminated with fentanyl. so, that is a really good combination. it makes people pass out and not get up for long periods of time. it states that same temperature. as long as you are in contact with that you are experiencing a burn injury. the ambient temperature in the bright sunlight can cause people to go into heat shock and they get the systemic manifestations from the elevated temperatures. it is kind of a double whammy. >> of people are exposed to heat in temperatures like this, you can have organ damage,

won't you? >> you have defects, spinal cord injuries, brain damage, liver failure, kidney failure. it can cause a variety of systemic manifestations. >> in the county where you are, the medical examiner's office, i can understand, has brought in 10 refrigerated containers to handle overthrow of heat related deaths. what is the mortality expectations with these kind of conditions? >> unfortunately, these conditions have a much higher mortality than burns of equal sides from any other allergies. the birds tend to be much, much deeper. the patients tend to be sicker or have other medical problems or substance abuse problems. also, they suffer heat shock. so, all of those things together make these types of injuries really dangerous and

quite deadly. >> you said the burns tend to be deeper, is that because what you said earlier? i had not considered it, if you are on a sidewalk that is however hot it is, it does not cool down because you are on top of it. it maintains that temperature all the while you are on top of it. >> exactly. as long as you are in contact with it , it only takes a few seconds to get a serious burn from 180 degree asphalt. imagine if you were in contact with that for 10 minutes, three minutes, an hour, 10 hours. >> mike and people know about preventing these types of burns and what resources will you need if these types of injuries continue? >> so, obviously we recommend that people stay inside during the afternoons. if you have to go out, wear protective clothing. make sure you wear protective shoes and socks. stay well hydrated. if you have to be out, take frequent breaks in the shade and air conditioning. take somebody with your make sure someone you know knows

where you are going. as far as resources for the future, over the last five years, we have seen a continuous rise in the numbers of these types of injuries. right now, is full. next year, we are going to need more people, more space, more operating rooms, et cetera. >> i so appreciate what you and the doctors and nurses do. thank you so much, dr. foster appeared >> thank you for having me. >> we will be right back.

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