administration before the full launch, which is expected to come in august and their eyes have been on that october 1st date, which is when student loan payments are set to resume after that three-year pandemic-era pause. they want to make sure that borrowers understand what would be available to them as that deadline is approaching. phil? >> it's a big date, indeed. arlette saenz skocooped this fo us yesterday live in rehoboth beach. thank you. and "cnn this morning" continues right now. good morning, everyone. let's get things started with five things to know for this monday, july 31st. in just hours, a mar-a-lago maintenance worker accused of telling another employee that, quote, the boss wanted security footage deleted is set to appear in court. former president trump denies directing staffers to delete anything. >> in the middle of all of this, trump extends his primary poll dominance and it really is dominance. 54% of likely republican voters say that he is their pick. this is according to a "new york times"/siena college poll. just 17% want desantis and it is low single digits for the rest

of the pack. also, devon archer, a business associate of hunter biden about to speak under oath before the house oversight committee. the two worked together on deals in china and ukraine. and a senior russian official says the country may be forced to use a nuclear weapon if ukraine succeeds in their ongoing counteroffensive. and you've seen their trucks in the road, but now trucking giant yellow has shut down. that's according to new reporting from the "wall street journal," even after receiving $700 million in rescue loans during covid. now 30,000 jobs are in danger. "cnn this morning" starts right now. all right. here is where we begin this morning. the property manager who allegedly said the boss wanted the surveillance video servers deleted at mar-a-lago, he'll be in a miami courtroom this morning, answering to criminal charges. his name, carlos de oliveira is

the third person indicted in the classified documents case alongside former president trump and his valet, walt nauta. prosecutors say de oliveira met up with nauta in june of last year to scope out the surveillance cameras around the storage room where the documents were moved in and out. prosecutors also say that de oliveira then asked a different employee, quote, what are we going to do about, quote, the boss' request to delete that footage? and this comes as we wait for more potential indictments against a former president. we are waiting on a charging decision still in a federal investigation into january 6th and the special counsel's office is getting ready to meet with key witnesses in the fake electorate scheme. >> and also the georgia, new security barriers are up outside the fulton county courthouse, as the district attorney there confirms that by september 1st, she'll decide whether to charge anyone for the efforts by trump and his allies to overturn the 2020 election. >> the work is accomplished. we've been working for two and a half years. we're ready to go. >>o, obviously, a question, will this pa the former

president's poll numbers? no. at least according to a "new york times"/siena college poll out this morning, showing 54% of likely republican primary voters say he's their pick. let's get things started with randi kaye. she's outside the miami courthouse, where we're expecting to see the mar-a-lago property manager in just a few hours. randi, a lot moving here. what are you seeing right now? >> well, right now, we are getting ready for car lost de oliveira to make his appearance here in court as this federal case against the former president continues to grow, now involving two of the former president's employees. de oliveira is charged with conspiracy to obstruct justice, making false statements, as well as two counts of destroying or concealing an object. all of this happening as the former president continues to deny he did anything wrong. >> donald trump slamming the special prosecutor's team. >> these are crooked people. >> as he learns of new legal threats he and his employees may face. newly named co-defendant

mar-a-lago property manager, carlos de oliveira is set to be arraigned today in miami. a superseding indictment alleges he along with trump aide walt nauta attempted to delete security camera footage at the club after the justice department issued a subpoena for it. according to the indictment, de oliveira told one of the resort's i.t. workers, the boss wanted the server deleted. cnn has now learned that i.t. worker, yuscil taveras, has received a target letter from federal prosecutors. taveras reportedly met with investigators after trump's first indictment in june. it's unclear if he's cooperating with the investigation, but sources say that some of the new allegations against trump were based at least in part on information taveras provided. trump facing additional charges for mishandling classified documents, maintained his innocence on social media. claiming his legal team voluntarily handed over the tapes to the special counsel. and that he never told anybody to delete them.

de oliveira is separately charged with lying to the fbi about moving boxes of documents from trump's residence to a storage room. >> this is bad stuff. and, you know, you can't say there was no underlying potential crime here. >> the superseding indictment giving trump's opponents an opportunity to go after the front-runner.brazen. these guys were acting like the cor kor leones with no experience. >> reporter: other candidates treading more cautiously over the indictment as trump remains popular with the gop base. >> none of us want to be talking about indictments. i don't even know if it's the third, fourth, or fifth indictment right now, but it's a distraction. >> reporter: most use the issue to steer the conversation to the future. >> one of the right ways to do that is to pardon the former president of the united states from what is clearly a politicized prosecution. >> reporter: even trump's top rival, florida governor ron desantis, wary of engaging. >> i want to spend less time

litigating that, because that's really looking in the past, and more time focusing on the future in terms of what we need to accomplish as a country. >> reporter: at a gop party dinner in iowa, direct criticism of trump drew a rebuke from the audience. >> donald trump is running to stay out of prison. and if we elect -- [ audience booing ] >> -- listen, i know the truth and the truth is hard. >> reporter: closing out the dinner, trump steered clear of the new charges against him. >> if i weren't running, i would have nobody coming after me. >> reporter: and de oliveira will appear here in court today with john irving. he is a d.c.-based attorney. de oliveira will need a florida-based attorney to enter a plea. we don't know if he does have that florida attorney secured. this is being closely watched, because if he consult, his case will be delayed. and we're trying to figure out whether or not the former president will go to trial in this case before the election

cycle. that is certainly being closely watched. back you. >> randi kaye, thank you for the reporting from miami. also happening this morning, the republican-led house oversight committee is expected to meet behind closed doors with a former hunter biden business assoate. devon archer served with biden on the board of the ukrainian gas company, burisma, and according to the subpoenas, archer played a significant role in the biden family business dealings abroad, including, but not limited to china, russia, and ukraine. zachary cohen has the details. zach, there is a lot of conversation about what's going on right now in terms of archer and the justice department and in terms of what's going to happen behind closed doors. can you explain what's happening today and how this fits into the kind of broader issues that archer's dealing with? >> yeah, good morning, phil and poppy. look, devon archer is someone house republicans has really hyped up as someone they view as a key witness in their investigation, that they say is

focused on joe biden himself. and they've been trying to connect the president to what they call his son's shady foreign business dealings. and because devon archer was involved in some of these business transactions with hunter biden in places like ukraine and china, they believe that he could provide evidence that does speak to that point, connecting the president to the foreign business deals. now, it remains to be seen if that evidence exists and if archer can deliver it, if he even has it, but this all speaks to the broader polarization around the hunter biden congressional investigations that republicans have really warmed up to the idea of prioritizing, as they seek to potentially try to impeach the president, based on some of these claims about his foreign dealings and his links to hunter biden's foreign dealings. >> oversight chair james comer said they really do believe that he has significant things to tell the committee. in fact, he said that he thinks that they're relevant to their investigation. this is sort of what we heard from mccarthy last week, the drumbeat of potential impeachment increasing, if the

evidence leads us there, in hearing from witnesses like devon archer, and filling in the blank, then, you know, we may go there. how central is he? >> that remains to be seen, poppy. but house republicans are floating this idea of impeaching the president before they have the evidence that warrants doing so. the same is true ahead of devon archer's appearance today behind closed doors, and as we all know, that closed-door testimony can be a tricky thing, because oftentimes republicans and democrats emerge with very different perceptions of what they saw. but there's also the trump of it all. trump is ramping up pressure on house republicans to investigate every possible avenue to impeach the president himself. listen to what he said during a rally in pennsylvania over the wee weekend. >> the biggest complaint they get is that the republicans find out this information, and then they do nothing about it! any republican that doesn't act on democrat fraud should be

immediately primaried. and get out. out! >> so we'll see what devon archer ultimately tells lawmakers today behind closed doors, but obviously, the white house vehemently denies any connection to hunter biden's foreign business dealings, and democrats say these are all recycled claims. >> all right. zach cohen, we'll have to reconcile the democratic and republican views of the closed-door hearing later today. thanks, man. appreciate it. >> let's bring in two former federal prosecutors, sarah christoph and elie honig. i'll leave the devon archer stuff on the table and get into more of these issues with you. beginning with you, in terms of the fact that you have the arraignment of de oliveira today. you say there's two main things to watch. what are they? >> first of all, will there be any indication that this guy will flip? thus far, he's not. he has spoken to the pfbi and lied to them. he was asked, do you know anything about these boxes, and he said absolutely nothing.

should be fairly easy to prove. it's important to see who's representing and who's funding the person representing him. because if this person as we've seen with other defendants if this case is represented by trump-affiliated pacs, it will be harder for him practically and financially to flip. the other thing is, let's watch the schedule, the calendar. we have this preymay trial date which i already felt a little shaky about. now that the doj has added a new defendant and three new charges, let's see what the judge says. the judge may be ticked off. doj begged for an early trial date knowing that they were going to add these defendants, so let's see if there's any indication on timing. >> sara, it's the question i've been trying to figure out over the course of the last 24 to 48 hours. which is employee number four, yuscil taveras, he received a target letter after the first indictment, there appears to b g indictment that could be attributed to him. he has a different lawyer than kind of trump -- what ali was talking about. what should we make of that? >> listen, it's unclear to me, frankly, whethere s any

criminal liability at this point, or if he's just a witness, right, ultimately, he did -- he has provided information. that information is in the s supercreeding indictment about these attempts to delete the video surveillance. but it may be that he's just a witness here. we just, you know, it remains to be seen. although, i do have to agree with ellie, that each additiona defendant, each person who's charged here creates a real big risk to the former president that additional people are going to flip on the former president. >> i think that's interesting that your perspective seems to be different than a lot of other attorneys that we've spoken to. that you think it's like fairly significantly likely that nauta and de oliveira would flip? i just -- why wouldn't you before then? why would you get to this phase? >> i think the pressures are different along the way. so when you're actually in the courtroom, you're facing the judge, and then ultimately, facing the jury, the pressure

increases on you to cooperate with the government. so there are people who cooperate, at the very last minute. sort of, two weeks leading up to trial. and so, a lot of that frankly is going to depend on the advice they have from their council, the advice they have from their family members, who they're consulting with. but assuming that they have independent council here, who's really going through the options with them, and that's an option that their counsel should be discussing with them, because they are looking at the real likelihood of going to prison. >> elie, that connects the -- we saw the stories about the $40 million spent by trump's super pac on legal defense, not just for the former president, but for so many of his associates, while nauta is among them, i believe de oliveira is, too. is that a problem? >> it is. they're advising, not do anything, don't say anything. >> it's a problem for the prosecutors, but actually not illegal. this happens all the time. sara knows this from our days as prosecutors. >> companies do it. >> yeah, cooperations do it,

political organizations do it, mob families do it, it's not illegal. in fact, doj doesn't even hold it against a defendant if he's faying paying for other people. but what's the practicality of this. imagine you're walt nauta or de oliveira's position, these people don't have tons of money. they're not people of huge means. you can get this lawyer assigned to you from trump's pac, free, you don't have to pay, it's very s expensive to hire a defense lawyer. and then you think the pressure, it's a real factor that protects donald trump. it protects him very well. >> we're out of time. i have another question next time. elie, preeappreciate it, sara, to have you. what republican presidential candidate nikki haley had to say after mitch mcconnell froze for 23 seconds at the podium during his weekly news conference last week. that's ahead.

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so we've been talking all morning about this sfascinating new polling, a number of polls, especially t"the new york times poll shows trump with a dominant lead over his republican rivals. it's not just that the numbers are so wow, but it's when you dig into the cross-tabs. >> look at you! that's too fancy for me. that's exactly right. when you look into the different groups, whether it's by gender or demographic, whether it's by suburb, moderate, conservative, all of them break heavily towards the former president. let's talk about those top lines, where you have here, as poppy was noting, the former president in this "new york times" siena college poll out this morning, 54%. his closest competitor, 17%. nearly tripling his closest competitor. and it's not just the one poll. i think this is important to note. one poll is a snapshot. one poll should not drive what is or isn't happening in a race. it's the fact that the consistency across polling over the course of the last couple of weeks is once again confirmed by

this "new york times"/siena poll. when you dig in a little bit deeper, what you hear is this. more than half of the remaining republicans are still open to trump. what you have is the base, which has always been kind of rock solid in the 30 to 35%, according to this poll, and about 37%, persuadable, about 50% when you put them together. between persuadable and not open to the former president. that's a problem, though, when you have as many candidates in the field. because this, when you have a large field at 37%, is almost unbeatable. also worth noting that 37% is far below the 57% trump sits at in this poll. when you dig in a little bit further, the base itself, again, everybody has been talking about this for the better part of a year, to the point where it's almost something you get numb to or don't pay attention to. but that base is rock solid inside the republican party. you want to know why republicans on capitol hill respond to the form president, why republicans across the party respond to the rm they know that 37% is not going to move for anything, whether it

be indictments, ron desantis, or anyone else. and that base, once again, is shown to be incredibly solid, maybe even a little bit larger than expected in this poll. where republicans stand in term of the primary, in terms of heading into 2024, very clearly don't think that the united states is on the right track. this is not in and of itself surprising. right track, 6%. wrong direction, 89%. you'll probably able to swap those pretty interchangeably between the party depending on whose party is in the white house. but this underscores that fact. and then you look at what happens if there are only two choices. i think this is interesting, because you think, large field. that's got to benefit donald trump. what happens if you narrow it down to just two? the only two choices in this race are trump and desantis. who are you more likely to vote for? donald trump, 62% to 31%. poppy, people talk about how desantis is going to have a comeback, how you retool the campaign and do a mccain '08. mccain in '08 at this point was down my 12 or 13 points to rudy giuliani, not 30 plus.

there is no precedent for a comeback, there is no precedent for a front-runner blowing a lead this large. this is an enormous win behind the former president. >> no precedent? >> no. >> for blowing a lead this large. >> no. i spent a lot of time on real clear politics putting polling averages together, figuring out, what could be the model here. everyone talks about mccain '08 and comeback, and it's not even close. this would be the biggest comeback, the most significant collapse from a front-runner in the history of the republican party, bar none. >> wow. okay. come back to the table and let's talk to our political commentators, bakari sellers and scott jennings. bakari, you're an attorney. i want to get to the part of this poll that has to do with the law and federal laws. just 17% of likely republican primary voters think that trump has kpcommitted a serious feder crime, just 10% of those voters think he did something wrong in the handling of classified documents. this is, as some other legal analysts are pointing to the fact that they think the mar-a-lago case is like the most threatening to the former president, politically, in the

party, not at all so. >> yeah, that's disturbing when you have a party that trumpets and kind of marches to the beat of following the rule of law. and you have a president who has these very serious allegations against him, particularly in mar-a-lago. i've always maintained that the president's worst legal trouble or legal jeopardy is going to be in atlanta, georgia, with fani willis and this rico conspiracy. but i don't think that's going to sway these polls either way. i don't think we've ever seen an individual have a grip on a base of a particular party the way that donald trump has grip on his base. he -- it's fascinating to watch. and i can't wait for somebody who's smarter than i to come and diagnose this. but he has a grip on this party which removes certain people from reality. the fact is, this president, where there is this smoke, there is likely fire. and whether or not the president broke the law is up for a jury.

but you don't have three, four, five indictments and be a saint. >> hey, scott, i want to switch over to the vice president kamala harris and kind of the democratic side of this in a second. but i want to ask you, you know, what grounds are there for anybody to think anybody but the former president is going to be the republican nominee at this point? >> well, these candidates were all hoping that essentially, after more indictments or after other things that are out of their control happened to donald trump, that republican voters are just sort of say, okay, we get it, we can't do it anymore, who's left? so basically, you're putting yourself under the rim, hoping to tip in a missed shot at the buzzer, basically. that's a he canck of a way to r campaign, because essentially your face is in someone else's hands or the hands of the world. in this poll, desantis is the only one who's in double digits and he's struggling to break through. right now, a little more than

half of the party wants to do trump. if that remains the case, he'll be impossible to beat, particularly if the fragmentation continues. but it's not clear to me that any of the legal issues are ever going drag him down or even bring him to a tipping point. i think what republicans believe is, this has basically become an us/versus them, and every time they drag down donald trump, they dig in even further so they can prove that we're not going to let democrats or joe biden pick up the nominee of our party. so, how all this turns out this in a general election, i'm dubious, but for a republican party, it's in trump's benefit. >> to phil's point about the vice president, let's listen to some of what she said. she talked about extremists and so-called leaders on the campaign trail. let's listen to that. >> these extremist so-called leaders should model what we know to be the correct and right approach, if we really are invested in the well-being of

our children. instead, they dare to push propaganda to our children! this is the united states of america! we're not supposed to do that! all is not lost. this is a moment where again, i will say, i believe there's a full-on attack against hard-won freedoms. but we have power. >> bakari, just a reaction -- we've been seeing her more and more speaking out like this. she went down to florida right after, talking about abortion several months ago and then she was there talking about this curriculum change and how you teach the history of slavery in this country. what are we seeing here? >> you know, i actually love it, i can't stop smiling, because you can hear her find her voice. look, she's had a very, very difficult job. the fact is, she is -- there is no other vcht in the history of the united states of america, in

the history of the united states of america that looks like kamala harris. and with that, there's been a double standard in the way that she's been covered. i actually criticized the president of the united states for the portfolio that was given to kamala harris at the very beginning, and now you see her actually getting out on the campaign trail, showing the talent that brought so many of us onboard during her presidential campaign. not only did she go down to florida about abortion, she went to tennessee when we had the expu expulsion of the three lawmakers. she's been going around the country, and when she goes around the country, you hear the beltway talk about the fact that she's not popular or whatever or people don't like her. yeah, that's just in washington, d.c. when she gets outside, which is what many of us have been asking the white house to allow her to do, when she gets outside of the beltway of the united states of america, people look at her in awe. it's fascinating to see. and now you hear the rhythm of her words and she's speaking to the heartbeat of this country. yeah, i just think that right

now, this vice president has found her footing. and she is doing a very, very good job and a very, very tough position. because she's not being held to the start of mike pence. she's not being head to the start of joe biden. she's not being held to the saturday of al gore. she's held to a standard that far supersedes that and she's meeting that bar, as we see her out there on the road today. >> scott, i want to ask you before we let you go, because we're running out of time. the republican presidential candidate nikki haley responded over the course of the weekend to former boss mitch mcconnell freezing for 23 seconds while taking questions from the press. listen to this. >> what i am saying about mitch mcconnell, dianne feinstein, joe biden, nancy pelosi, all of them, know when to walk away. know when to walk away. we have huge issues that need new solutions, we need new generational leaders. we appreciate your service, we appreciate what you've done, but this is while we'll fight for term limits. >> scott, i'm sure you've spoken

to the minority leader i know you talk pretty regularly. what's your response to that? >> 2% in the national polls, know when to walk away, that's super advice. the reality is, no one's struggling more than nikki haley right now with her current task at hand. and dare i say mitch mcconnell's schedule last week after his moment at the podium was a little bit more robust than what she's opinion able to pull off in this campaign. i get it, it's campaign season, everyone's looking for a hook and a way to get ahead, but good luck with your message. >> what people don't realize, when people want to go at you, they don't mess around. bakari, scott, appreciate it, guys. thank you. >> thank you. so this new threat from russia, a senior official there says, quote, there simply wouldn't be any other solution outside of using a nuclear weapon if ukraine's counteroffensive succeeds. what dmitry medvedev said about what he calls russian plans, next.

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dmitry medvedev, the deputy chairman of russia's security council says russia may have to use nuclear weapons if ukraine's counteroffensive is successful and ends with, quote, of our land being taken away. this comes as the counteroffensive seems to be entering a new, more aggressive face. for the first time, ukrainian forces have reached one of russia's dragon teeth. the anti-tank fortifications are one examples of the deeply layered defenses that russia has developed to slow any attempt to take back territory in southern ukraine. with us now, is former member of the joint staff, i should say, the pentagon and former deputy director for training at the nsa, retired colonel, cedric layton. before we get to what we just showed people, what's your reaction hearing what dmitry medvedev said? >> i think it's very concerning, poppy. good morning to you. one of the things that the russians are looking at is the fact that they annexed, officially annexed all of this territory right here that the

russians have occupied. so, what that could mean is that when you look at all of the different possible paths, if the ukrainians come in this way and take this territory, the threat from medvedev is that they would potentially use tactical nuclear weapons. that, of course, would be a game changer in a case like this. >> colonel layton, can you walk people through dragon's teeth, it sounds like a buzzy type of title, but when you go into what that actually means, it underscores why this is such a slog, why this is such a complex moment in the counteroffensive. what does that actually mean? >> phil, what that really means is, when you look at all of the different places that the ukrainians are moving in, so if they come in here, you see the very little territorial gains made by the ukrainians in all of these areas right here. and the reason for that is, like you mentioned, the dragon's teeth. these are concrete barriers

filled with not only concrete, but rebar. and what they do is they actually are barriers. and as you can see here, you know, you look -- you see right in front of us, you see the dragon's teeth. as the vehicle, the infantry fighting vehicle is moving forward, it is actually trying to get into a trench. and it's moving through that trench. it's at an extremely vulnerable point right here. but think of this, hundreds of miles of this kind of stuff. we've got a 600-mile-long front right here, and all of this is an area that is defended in one way or another. some of it more heavily than other areas, but the basic idea is that at every step of the way, there is some kind of defensive area. and it's especially true in places like crimea and it's also true in parts of the eastern front around bakhmut. this is a very significant area for the russians to try to hold, and of course, for the ukrainians to try to regain.

>> the drone attacks, we showed one in the last hour, inside russia. there was that one more recently in moscow. what do they tell you? what do we know about them? >> these very important, poppy. you look at two different areas. you're really close to the ukrainian border, you have a town which was attacked by a drone, not a big surprise. it's very close to the ukrainian border, but moscow. that is about 800 kilometers away from the ukrainian border. so a bit over almost 500 miles. the ukrainian drones that are probably being used are something like this. this is a model attack drone, built by the ukrainians. they are able to use this, it has the range to go from ukraine to moscow, and it has potential payloads of weapons that could potentially cause the damage that we saw at that high raise in moscow, so these are very,

very important weapons for the ukrainians to use. it's part of the ukrainian's asymmetric war effort, and that makes a really big difference, because on the one side, you have the drones. on the other side, you have what the russians could do against those drones, and that includes the area of electronic warfare. they can jam the data links for the drone. it can serve as a deception move, and also potentially use directed energy weapons again drones like this one. these are things that are critically important when it comes to this kind of warfare. but it's changing face of warfare in the air and actually on the scea as well. >> there was a headline that caught my attention, that 100 wagner mercenaries were headed towards the polish border. >> it's very concerning. one of the key things to keep in mind, this area right between

belarus and this russian enclave of kaliningrad. that enclave is a vestige of world war ii, and what the wagner forces are doing is they're potentially coming into this area right here, which is the primary communications and logistics link for the russian forces, because this year is the base for the russian baltic sea fleet, and that is one of the key areas, that's one of the reasons that the russians want to keep this area. and one of the reasons that the wagner group could potentially try to use this area to cut off everything from nato right here. these are all nato countries, estonia, latvia, and lithuania, as well as, of course, poland. >> colonel layton wi, thank yous always. >> you bet. one of the nation's biggest and oldest r est trucking compa are shutting down. also, madonna is speaking out after that serious infection that left her in the icu.

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let's pretend for a second that you didn't let down your entire family. what would that reality look like? well i guess i would've gotten us xfinity... and we'd have a better view. do you need mulch? what, we have a ton of mulch. a wake-up call for schools. that's what the mother of mallory grossman school. a new jersey school district will pay $9.1 million to the family of a pre-teen girl who died by suicide after she was bullied at school. they schooled rockaway school township saying that despite repeated complaints, school administers did not do enough to prevent their daughter's death 12-year-old mallory kbrgrossman took her own life in 2017 after

being d in school and cyber bullieexts and snapchat messages. >> in 2017, the school district said in a statement that the allegations that the district ignored the grossman team and failed to address bullying in general is categorically false. we've reached out to that school district and we haven't heard back. an attorney for the grossman family said it is the largest bullyi ing settlement in new jersey state history. joining us now, the parents of mallory grossman, diane and seth grossman. thank you for joining us, you are living every parent's worst nightmare and our hearts are with you this morning. i know this settlement for you is not about money, it's about what happened to your girl. >> i think that it's time for the schools to understand that we have an epidemic on our hands. i think it's time for the schools to start to enforce their policies and if they don't

have policies, now's the time to write those policies. this is a wake-up call for all school systems. >> can you -- what do you mean, those policies? what do you think would have made meaningful change for m mal mallory? >> i think that there is an easy way to start making changes. the first thing that any school system can do, particularly middle school, is they can remove the cell phones. it's not necessary for the kids to be walking around with cell phones in their hands or their back pockets, especially during the school day. i think that we have an unhealthy relationship with technology and i think that the schools, by allowing these cell phones at school during the day, whether they allow access to social media or not, you know, a video can be taken and shared h hundreds of millions of times, where as a story of a kid falling or getting hurt can only be told. and i think the influencers that the kids follow encourage this

type of behavior. so i think removing the cell phones is the first step. and i also think that schools need a parents' bill of rights. parents need to be able to report what's going on and that's the foundation of mallory's law that we helped to fund. new jersey does have a new jersey hib, which stands for harassment, intimidation, and bullying act, but there needs to be more. children need to be able to predict the consequences of our behavior and i think our lawsuit sets the stage for that. >> just for people who weren't following the story when everything happened, the tragedy happened, and your efforts here, how far in advance did the school know what was happening? what was the interaction between you guys and the school before this all transpired? >> well, we started seeing evidence of it towards the end

of fifth grade. so in september of sixth grade, which would have been september of 2016, we started reporting in writing to the guidance couns counselors, her teachers, we started really early on pointing out some of the things that would be defined as bullying, and we didn't ask the school at that time to really define it, what we asked them to do is to make the behaviors stop. schools get caught up, is it bullying or not bullying? and we don't care what you call it, we want the teasing, the harassment, the intimidation, the seclexclusion, we wanted al that behavior to stop. and their solution was to isolate mallory fuller, more, and put her in the guidance counselor. i don't know any sixth grader that wants to sit with their guidance counselor to have lunch. that wasn't a solution. >> seth, can you tell us a little bit about mallory. we see all of these beautiful pictures of her you.

i think i saw her in gymnastics leotards what did she love and what was she like? >> oh, well, she was great. she was definitely a lover of the outdoors. she definitely liked sports, cheer and gymnastics, and she excelled at it. it was kind of her safe place. something she was very good at. she was definitely a philanthropic child, even for a 12-year-old, some of the things she would do, i don't know where she found it from or got it from, but she definitely liked to help others kids. she raised a lot of money for camp good days, which is a place where kids with cancer can go in the summertime to kind of escape everything that's going on in their lives, to give them some sense of normalcy. she was a very empathetic as far as that goes. and she really -- she made her mark in her short 12 years, so -- >> yeah, wow, what a child. >> yeah. she really was. >> bruce, we hear, it's heartbreaking, and also for

somebody to kpaccomplish that i 12 years, says a lot about your daughter. but i think this also says a lot about what mallory will be remembered for, to some degree, or the legacy. and that's what i want to ask you. do you think, bruce, this is the largest settlement that you're related to, is this precedent. is this something that will set the stage for more of this to come? >> obviously, we want it to end. but this case and this settlement, the size of this settlement should send a wake-up call and a signal and a strong signal over school in the country that bullying is a major, major problem and our children need to be protected. they need to understand that this little cell phone is a lethal weapon in the hands of a bullying student. it's got to be stopped and it's not difficult to stop it. >> did you press for an admission of accountability in the settlement? >> the answer is, yes, but

that's not something that any school district will do. >> well, in "the new york times" piece, they talked about one school district, in a different case, that did. and that was so rare. that's what got me thinking. >> it was extremely rare. the admission in this case is $9.1 million. it's the highest amount paid to our knowledge in the country in a bullying case, and that speaks volumes with regard to the admission and the responsibility of the schools. >> diane, before we let you go, what do you hope, not just for the broader message to schools and the wake-up call, but this kind of says about mallory or adds to mallory's legacy going forward. >> i think for us as a family, we stuck it out. we hung in there from the minute that mallory passed away, we hit the ground running. and we started a nonprofit. i travel to schools, i tell mallory's story. it's not a power point. it's a heart-felt message.

and you know, if the schools don't get it, then maybe the parents and the kids will. you know, it's not so hard to just be nice to someone. even if someone doesn't like you or you don't want to be friends with them, it really isn't that difficult to just leave them alone. and i think in this situation, that was -- mallory's story is that she's telling all of the kids and particularly the kids that are being bullied, that, you know, you do have people in your life that love you and self-harm is no answer to any issue that you're having. and i hope that mallory's story gives the children that are being bullied or the parents of those children, that it gives them a little bit of hope. and i hope that we continue to be, you know, the parents that we are and continue to share our story and lend our voice to this epidemic. >> yeah. and as we said at the top, you are in our heart. thank you for being with us and sharing about mallory and our work this morning. diane, seth, and bruce. if you know anyone who's

grappling with suicidal thoughts, please call 988 to reach the national suicide prevention lifeline. it provides free and confidential support seven days a week, 24 hours a day for people in crisis or distress. and you can call that number to talk to someone about how you can help a person in crisis. we'll be right back.

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