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reuben's. he was a true original and a bright light in many, many peoples lives. he will be missed. paul romans was 70 years old. that's it for us, the news continue. the source with kaitlan collins starts now. >> tonight, straight from the source. donald trump expecting another indictment quote any day now. and as legal peril grows, so does his political power. the staggering new numbers and 40 million ways that his base may help keep him out of prison. plus, trump's newest codefendant and mar-a-lago manager ups emerges from obscurity to the center of the storm, swarm today by cameras at his first court appearance but not as last. could his indictment and up helping his boss delay that trial until after the election? and as president biden reverses a trump decision to move space command to alabama, some politicians are blasting the politics are behind it. we will speak to one of the next. i'm kaitlan collins and this is the source.

>> tonight trump is predicting that his next indictment is imminent. any day now is the way he warded it in a no post on social media and of course with other target letters and other indictments, he has been the one to tell us about them. though his legal problems seem to be growing, and amounting exponentially, his political fortunes are growing and growing as well. it's coming into clear view today just how m is dominating the nomination fight. a brand-new poll shows that he has a 37 point lead over his next closest republican rival. florida governor ron desantis, in a new york times cnn poll of kely republican voters, and more than 50 points ahead of the rest of the pack. so as this of course is going on too, impeachments, to criminal indictments as we are seeing here, as this is in continuing, weighing what republican voters are gonna decide.

i'm joined by one of those republican candidates in the race, former arkansas governor lisa hutchinson. thank you for being so here with us tonight. now the republican front runner says he's gonna be indicted any day now. why aren't these indictments hurting him with your party's voters? >> while, they are. even though he has a grip on the campaign, on his candidacy, it's a loosening grip. there is a growing resurgent effort against the trump gop establishment, and that resurgent effort is growing, it's because he has misled his supporters. he told them that i am fighting for you, that is really asking them to fight for him by paying his legal fees when she's used $60 million of campaign funds that he solicited from small donors across america to play legal fees. these facts as they come out are going to slow his campaign down. the last place you see it will probably be in the poll numbers.

but you are seeing that resurgency grow and i expect to continue to do so. >> what are you basing that off of governor? we are not seeing that in the numbers at this point. you are not seeing that when you go to iowa, new hampshire and you talk to voters. you hear some concerns but overwhelmingly based on these new numbers, he is still the dominant force in your party despite those indictments. >> whenever you see campaign rallies, there is incredible turnout. he brings a real entertainment value to his campaign. but whenever you look at winning in 2024, there is a recognition that will be problematic with trump leading the ticket, not just in his campaign but down the way. the debate is very important. the debate is going to bring out many of these facts. i am doubtful that donald trump will show up on the debate, because i expect to be there, i plan on being there, and these are facts that will be brought out and that he will not be

able to withstand that type of scrutiny. >> you and i both don't think he's going to be there based on what we know, right now, but when you look at thipo, it finds that only 19% of republicans in your party believe, only 17% see the former president as having countries committed any serious federal crimes despite the fact that he is facing another potential indictment this week. what do you say to those voters? >> what do i say to them as that we can't win with donald trump leading the ticket. i tell them that these are very serious criminal charges and they are gonna have to cast a vote as to whether he's gonna be our nominee or not while these charges are pending. can you imagine the circumstances that we have somebody leaving our ticket that has been convicted of a felony or soon going to trial? this is unbelievable in american political history.

i don't know that we've ever, i know we haven't had these type of circumstances before. and so, i know the see the poll numbers and i believe there is merit that there's gonna be a quiet reduction in those poll numbers as more of the facts come out and is more of the candidates join in and there is more candidates joining in my resurgency, and i think that's going to start having an impact. >> so you think the polls are just wrong? >> no, no no. i am saying that the polls are reflecting where we are today, but i am saying as you go on, he's going to lose support. those poll numbers will go down, and you see it now and the donor base. you see it in the nervousness of iowans and a recognition that we need another alternative. but the last numbers that willo. we might not see that dramatic change until later this fall.

so you've got to be patient, you've got two choices. >> 52% other republican voters who were surveyed here say they are not considering anything you talked about his legal fees there. we've now learned that his political group spent more than $40 million on legal fees and just the first half of this year alone defending trump, his advisers and others. is the republican party turning into a legal defense fund at this point? >> well, he's merged his campaign into his defense strategy. his campaign is all about simply trying to address the criminal cases that are against him, both in terms of his fundraising but also in terms of his rallies, and shaping public opinion. if he loses the public opinion, if he loses the fund raising base, he has no defense strategy. and so it's all merged and together, and that should be an alarming circumstance in fact for the gop and candidates that

are gonna have to be run next year. >> do you agree with will hurd but he said friday night that trump is running for president to stay out of prison? >> i know. i think he is using his run for president to run his campaign. that is the ultimate what he is doing now, and so becoming president is a hopeful thing obviously for him. but the whole point is they are merged together right now. i phrase it in a different way. this is an alarming day for our party. the debate is going to raise these issues. i need everybody support to be there. a set 2024. com, $1 helps me get on that debate stage, we will raise these issues that are important to the public. >> governor, you said his

political legal strategy is a political one. how do you not agree with that sentiment if he is running this race in a way to benefit and to help insulate him from his legal issues? >> while he is running this race in a way that finds his campaign, the keeps the public opinion moving in his direction, that's what he's attempting to do, and that's why he'll continue to have rallies. but you're asking me the motive as to why he ran to begin with, which was last year. i can't judge that. i respect will, he can say what he wants to say, all phrase in my way, and say that trump's candidacy is dangerous for the american public. we have to beat him at the ballot box and people ask me what is your chance of winning? neither have to elect him or coronated him or get in fight. i'm getting in there and fighting for the republican party that i believe in and the country that i want for our future and for our

grandchildren's future. it can't be led by donald trump. >> if you don't make the debate stage, will you stay in the 2024 race? >> i intend to make the debate stage. we have had 10,000 new donors just in the last couple of weeks and so we have momentum there. i have full expectation to be there. people expect me to be on that debate stage and i intend to be there. i know that the 40,000 donors will come through for us. >> i know you tend to be there, and you want to be there, but i think there's a real question that you will. when you look at this pollhe didn't just pull just trump, they pulall republican's new governoron'tit 1% when it comes to demraphics when it comes to, hispanics, evangelical, those with or without a college degree. when you see those numbers, why do you think you'll be in that debate stage in just a month from now? >> while the rasmussen poll, very credible poll had me at 4%

tied with a number of other contenders there. let's just look at a broad variety of poles there. but again, i am not as known as some others that are out there. i want people to hear my story. being a federal prosecutor, head of the dea, worked on border security issues in the bush administration, congress, a governor for eight years. i want them to hear that record of experience and as we get out there, expect those numbers to change. >> governor asa hutchins in, we will see if they do, and of trump's numbers change with those pending indictments. like so much for joining us tonight. >> thank you caitlin and great to be with. you. >> thank you. for more on this i want to bring in jamal simmons, former communications director for vice president kamala harris, and alyssa farah griffin, white house commuters cason's director. when you're looking at these polls alyssa, what is the broader picture of this entire new york times poll is just how large his lead is over the all the other republican candidates. if you're asia hatches in iran to, what's your reaction when

you see this poll? >> this poll should send shockwaves through any member the republican party wants to see the party take a different direction from donald trump. this notion that rhonda sat is with supposed to be an air apparent, and he had a real shot at that after the midterms, but that's largely been squandered. i have to put some degree of blame on some of the top contenders after donald trump, whether it's rhonda scientist. nikki haley, they have not aggressively taken on donald trump. a former president who's got near 100% -- name idea in this country. this notion that you are somehow just going to beat him by kind of defining yourself and maybe rolling out a great policy proposal. that doesn't work in donald trump's america. there has to be an effort about why is not a credible leader, weizmann unfit for office, talk about his legal exposure. how many in indictments do we have to have? i think that folks are think

they're smart that like to try to wait for some magic to happen, is no indication that's good. and going to happen. >> republican is in endorsing a, maybe they should get indicted in the republican party and that would help them. when you hear this a lot of the, time is too many candidates, and that's what trump is above it all, because he splits the dissension. but when you look at this poll, they eliminate everyone else head to head in a p,nd desanti trump is so far ahead of in. look at the number 62 to 31%. even if ust e two of them. >> the actual numbers are even more impressive than this spread. 54 to 17. it's a pretty big deal. donald trump clearly has the force when it comes to this republican primary, too bad it's on the dark side rather in the lights. clearly donald trumps the big character here. the question i think tt gornor hutchinson was getting at a second ago, is that there are a few pivot points when it comes to campaign. the debates will be one of

those pivot points. remember, it takes a horse to beat a horse. right now, nobody really knows anything about the rest of these candidates. once they see them onstage, they see how they perform, i think then they'll take a poll in new hampshire, south carolina after that. we'll see where this race is. >> but is a policy that matters. what is the take away from this, because the new york times looked at all sides of the issue, whether people believe that trans people should be able to identify the gender they do, or you don't. by the should believe the changes we made to social security or medicare they shouldn't. whether corporations to provide promote left or woke as desantis puts it or the republicans just a bit. on every side of the issue, republican voters still sided with trump over desantis, even at some of the issues that he says he is stronger than trump on. >> i think policy matters to a certain degree but i think we live in such a 24-hour news cycle social media and violent, personalities really dry

things. i don't think there's a bigger personality than donald trump. i don't think he'll show up at the debate. if i was advising him i, would advise him not to. i would expect to have counted program which would use him as much as the people of them. i think with desantis sinking that there is an opportunity for somebody to emerge as the number two. i think it's likely and nikki haley or a tim scott but it will acquire require them to get aggressive and define why donald trump cannot be leader. part of its electability issue. joe biden is chomping at the bit to run against donald trump because he thinks he can beat him again. if it's a nikki haley, attempt scott, a will hurd, that's a much more challenging thing for the president. >> the argument that ron desantis makes a those two issues that he can get things done that he can be joe biden, that's where the art is. but when new york times ann asked republican likely voters that they believe rot trump gets to get things done, 62 to

70%. the ability beat biden they gave trump 58%, and desantis 22%. those are arguments he's been making on the campaign trail. >> that's absolutely true. this poll is devastating for desantis in every possible way. including the people that say they are favorably inclined to him, with 66%. among those people, donald trump still beat him 49, 48. it's a pretty tough road for him. >> not even in just those issues, it's about trump's legal exposure. there were republicans 22% i believe when they're looking at trump desantis had to head matchup, even if they believe that trump committed serious federal crimes, they would still pick him over desantis. you are republican, what does that say about where republican voters? >> i think that means that donald trump is not doing a masterful job at convincing the american public that this is a witch on. these are not two allegations, are coming after him because he's defending you.

all not true, but that's what he's done, and he's been aided by a lot of republicans in the party. if he is the nominee, they are going to bear the brunt of that. when he the, i think we'll lose to joe biden. >> he is so strong, he gets indicted and everybody else has campaign problems. >> governor asa hutchins, and we'll see if he's right about that production. jamal simmons, -- , tank you for being here tonight. we got our first look tonight today have the second person accused of conspiring with trump to obstruct justice what. happened when the mar-a-lago property manager appeared in court today? his arraignment is coming up. plus a growing space command saga. as president biden has decided to keep the headquarters in colorado, rejecting a trump era decision to move it to alabama. critics including democrats and republicans say the delegation is not happy. one high-pressure system that can do both. brew to your heart's desire with the l'or barista system. a masterpiece in taste.

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indictment is coming any day now, obviously trump, we don't know that indictment will come, but he has forecasted these lot in the past. if and when that goes down what he can be looking for in the charges? >> i want to see what this 2:41, was kind of a surprise statue, to civil rights statute, what's the theory there? because they are not doing an insurrection charge it looks like, so they have to do with the actual conduct on january 6th. i really want to see what that's about. >> is it your expectation that it won't be a sealed indictment like it was about the documents case where we can wait for them to unseal it? it's kind of a trump legal team out there talking about what the charges were there were to look like, and we saw the indictment for itself. >> it could, because the only reason to do, you might do it because -- you think the defendant is going to upset on, none of that

here. the reason to do is to sort of get the security in line and have everything good to go. that'll be a judgment call that jack smith makes maybe with the chief judge. >> and that's the 2020 election interference investigation. we also have the documents case which of course we saw became a superseding indictment last week as a third codefendant was added. he was in court today. carlos de oliveira. it is now arraignment now is gonna be scheduled for august 10th, he did not have a florida-based attorney. we saw the same thing happening with walt nauta. he delayed in getting a florida-based attorney. do you think this is clearly a delay tactic from the trump legal team? >> i don't think it is. i practiced a lot in the state of florida, never strict on this sort of thing to have a legal counsel standoff for outside counsel. i don't really crowded it to be a real delay tactic and i don't think it's going to really delay much of anything. remember, trump also needs to be arraigned once again on the superseding indictment, so my guess will be that they will do it all in one package. >> okay that's what we're looking for their. the other thing we learned from

that superseding indictment is that trump employee for. for those of us who have been closing covering this closely, it's the i t employee in charge of all of that. he was the one that carlos de oliveira allegedly went to after had to ask about to leading a server for the boss. is it clear to you that he is gotten a target letters we are told, part of the new charges are based on what he was told by the investigators. do you think he's cooperating with them? >> yes or he is just testifying as he supposed to. but it's such a good point you make and people of large leanest. he gets the target letter and now he does what people should be doing, what de oliveira should've done, he gets a new lawyer, the guy had before stan woodward represents a dozen witnesses. >> including walt nauta -- >> yes and the lawyer says excuse me you have got a way to have no jeopardy, a way to have jeopardy. why don't you actually tell the truth? he does, he goes forward and is he a co-operator? he's out of trouble, that's what we know, he won't be

charged, and he's someone who is just got up and told the truth, like citizens. >> how do you read into help prosecutors are asking we are told about who is paying for their attorneys in who is paying for their legal fees. obviously when all was not a attorney stand martyred has been paid -- >> it's a good question. it's an obstruction case and part of the obstruction cases are who the witnesses are, and how they are hearing from the witnesses. and part of that is who is representing these witnesses? and as representation part of an obstruction scheme? i think with employee number four, the way harry just explained the switching of the lawyers really speaks to that very issue. that when he had a lawyer who was paid for by the trump organization, he said one thing, when that lawyer was conflicted and he got a new lawyer, bingo, he is suddenlyto be in my mind undoubtedly a cooperator.

>> you believe undoubtedly he is cooperating? >> i do. >> wow. we're not just watching this investigation, we're also now watching georgia. we long believed that august would be the month where there's any movement, and we heard from the fulton county district attorney on the investigation, her view this is what she said. >> we have accomplished, we've been working for two and a half years, we are ready to go. >> what do you make of that, in charges accounting? >> oh yeah. ready to go means ready to go. i actually think it's a september 1st, she was looking to give a little birth to jack smith. it's very unusual, they haven't communicated at all we have learned which is strange, or at least unusual, and i think in saying september 1st she's saying you've got a week to, from news reports you might have thought i am coming tomorrow. you're okay but pull the trigger racket relatively quickly. >> do you think it's strange they haven't coordinated?

>> i don't. i can see jack smith wanted to say at the end of the day he wasn't influenced by anything exterior to his own investigative team, but i think that putting up the orange barriers in front of fulton county courthouse pretty much sends the signal that it is. >> there are now practical issues. you're right than he may not have done up a four butternut to be tripping over each other 's statements before the grand jury if they don't coordinate. >> and for the district attorney, you saw there, funny willis, there was an attempt to disqualify her by the trump team. they cited comments that she's made in the past. do they have any merit when they're talking about this that she has played a political role in this at all? >> she's politically appointed official. her campaign did talk about trump that way. i don't think it'll get anywhere, but it's not completely, this is one of the few things that has a little bit going for it. >> i agree. i don't think number one, the judge found it was a slam dunk, no standing. he couldn't really bring the suit, and when the case ultimately gets charged, he still really is not a claim. i think his best claim is maybe some sort of selective prosecution.

that's an incredibly difficult charge to succeed on so i think this is all a lot of noise. >> we just went through a lot there. d. c., florida, fulton county. >> doing our best. >> thank you both for being here. ahead, us space command is staying where it is. colorado after president biden says he will not be moving headquarters to alabama as order by the trump administration. how some lawmakers are vowing to fight it and investigate the move. next.

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the decision has made republicans democrats in that state unhappy tonight. the nation's top military leaders called coral springs as home of space command back in 2021, the president trump fo he left office made the announcement that they were into be moving it to alabama. a decision that was backed by the secretary of the air for the trump addicted that me there was later and evaluation into why and, that evaluation did find that huntsville was ranked first colorado springs fifth, and six contenders as to what was the best home for us space command. colorado officials said the decision was politically motivated at the time. as a report done by the government accountability office and the inspector general at the pentagon's shoulder shortfalls in the decision-making process but all still backed it. the air force that is place now frank kendall continue to recommend having the headquarters moved to alabama in line with that initial recommendation.

u.s. officials now say that biden's this decision is based on general james dickinson who argued if they moved it now, it would jeopardize military readiness, given the time to take a move. gop senator tommy tuberville saying this is a disastrous and politically based decision that he says of course this comes as he is single-handedly holding up the nominations of 300 military officers over the pentagon's abortion policy. that is the context and background here. joining me now to block talk about this, is republican congressman robert -- of alabama. congressman thank you for joining us. we are told that the pentagon informed a congressional delegation in alabama about this decision before they were informed publicly. will you one of those officials and what did you say? >> well, the last decision of the last conversation that we had with the folks and general dickinson was that there was no reason it had to be in colorado, so came to us is a complete surprise today. we had no knowledge of it before this afternoon.

we got word actually from a reporter. we were completely shocked colorado's post was ranked number five for space command. huntsville, alabama was ranked number one. so therefore it made sense that not make using politics to make a decision will come to alabama. >> do you believe this is a political decision is being made by the administration? >> i'm concerned that it is because you mentioned about the inspector general. biden had his inspector general come in and take another assessment and still huntsville came out on top. heads and shoulders above all the rest. so it has been vetted many times. his decision was made quite

some time ago. it happened to be president trump was the president but it was based on the decision that huntsville and north alabama was the best place. no political decision or influence was put into that to my knowledge and i was solely based on what the dynamics of the situation where. >> but on that front, this decision is kind of sparked this debate among lawmakers over who should make the decision here. because as we noted the, air force secretary frank kendall was leaning towards alabama and the question was where should air secretary be the one making his final decision. do you think it's up to the president or the secretary of the air force. >> i think ultimately should be up to the secretary of the air force, because it should not be a political decision. that was why alabama was ranked number one and that's why for all indication it was going to alabama. it's just completely shocking and outrageous all of a sudden at the 11th hour they decided to put it in colorado when if you look on the list, they rank five. nothing against colorado but it

just wasn't the place they thought was best. they looked at the best place for cost of living, multiple factors were put into the mix, colorado was not one of those, and huntsville, alabama came out on top. >> trump's secretary of the air force also said that she believed it should be moved to alabama, she he later claimed that he sing single-handedly made the decision. that's what raise questions about whether he was making a political decision. what we're hearing from officials and pushback from what we're hearing today, is that the headquarters in alabama would not be completed until sometime after 2030, that would affect military readiness. do you see any merit in that argument? >> no, because we had a conversation, when i say we, the alabama delegation, all of us met with general dickinson, who is over at space command,

and that was never once mentioned. this is probably within the last two months we have this conversation. there was no indication there was a problem with huntsville at that time, and if things had changed, i don't know where it's coming from. >> as you know -- >> other than maybe is coming from politics from the president. >> as you know our home state of alabama bans abortion no exceptions for and incest, only exemption of its needed because of pregnancy threatens the health of the mother. we had previously heard from u.s. officials that they had concerns about those policies in alabama and what it would mean for service members there if space command was moved to huntsville. do you believe that the overturning of roe v. wade in the states abortion policy played a role in this decision? >> wow, i hope not because if

it did then we know it's clearly politics. i hope that we are not deciding where our military base in this country's gonna be located is based on the political landscape of a particular state. obviously alabama like many states did pass abortion laws as under the dobbs decision they could, but i don't want us to go down a road of war were making military decisions based on politics and that's what this looks like that's why we're very concerned. at the alabama delegation we can do everything we can to try and find it where the problem is. we will be meeting together probably very soon discussing how we can move forward with this. >> congressman, if you don't think that politics will play a role in military decisions, that means you disagree with what senator tuberville is doing with holding up military nominations because it is like the pentagon's abortion policy? >> we'll never was the policy of the pentagon, abortion was never on the table. so the biden administration brought politics into the mix

and that's why tuberville has been responding the way he has. he is pushing back with the administration and say let's not play politics with this. they were the ones who started it. if he had never put the policy in or they pay for travel on abortions, in this issue would never come out. >> they are not paying for abortions, they are paying for service members to travel >> to travel. >> they are not directly paying for abortions. but if a service member they don't get to decide where their station, other station in alabama, and no choice tip to travel to make that decision. >> on the bottom line, is the tax baller dollars saar going towards abortion. caitlin, you know there's a lot of people in this country including myself it just doesn't feel comfortable the taxpayer dollars are going in anyway directly or indirectly towards abortion. that's what this is all about. >> if you concern is about military readiness, don't you agree that his hold on these

nominations for someone who is going to be in the joint chiefs of staff is affecting military readiness? >> >> i think that these people -- obviously we want to try to do everything you can, you know to impede the military. but at the same time there's a lot of people, i think the military is doing fine, and i don't think these holes on the military are gonna cause any great concern of the readiness of our military. >> i think some people listening may have a tough time connecting and understanding the concerns that you and members of the alabama delegation have that the administration is playing politics by deciding where the head of space command should be and the idea that an alabama senator is single-handedly blocking all of these military promotions which former defense secretaries is going to affect military readiness? >> no, well again, it goes back, this was never nations of the

biden administration put this policy into effect in the beginning, that abortion >> that's cause the supreme court overturned roe v. wade. >> exactly, but since then, let me know let me just say, what we're talking about is sex for dollars, it's not that anybody is forbidden for getting an abortion, but as a taxpayer dollars going indirectly but still, and there's so many americans who does not want to see their talks perilous goal for abortion. >> congressman robert aderholt thank you for joining us about this decision on space command where it's going. if you hear anything from administration, please let us know. >> thanks caitlin, good to be on with you. >> ahead, an update on the search for the american nurse who was kidnapped in haiti along with her child. what we are learning. put an end to your drive-through dinner rituals. throw that powder in that tasty combo of delightful carrots, and the rich touch of bok choy.

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u.s. officials are closely monitoring the kidnapping of an american nurse and her child in haiti. they have not said whether or not they have any leads. this is alex dorsainvil. she was in the country with christian humanitarian organization that her husband founded. in a video for the group she describes what working in haiti meant to her. >> brazilian people, they are full of joy and the life and love and i'm so blessed to be

able to know so many amazing haitians. >> the organization now says to alex and her child were taken or -- port-au-prince thursday morning. that is the same day that the state department put out a new warning [inaudible] personnel to leave haiti, given the situation unfolding on the ground. joining me now is the executive director of unicef, catherine russell, thank you so much for being here tonight. i know you are just in haiti, just last month, what is a situation like on the ground? >> the situation on the ground is really quite desperate. there is so much violence everywhere. there are armed gowns that are patrolling port-au-prince and terrorizing everyone who lives there, honestly. now, we're seeing vigilantes forming in response to the gang. so, the result is that the poor people who live there are just being completely terrorized by gangs on both sides and living incomplete and other terror. >> haiti's always

struggled of course, and then the humanitarian issue on top of it. the president was assassinated recently. i mean, the issues on the ground and how that is affecting, you're seeing it up close how it is affecting these children, these people who are living they're growing up and trying to live their normal lives. >> exactly, while unicef does humanitarian work, primarily, that is what we are there to do to try and help 5 million people who need humanitarian assistance. that is incredibly challenging when, you know, as you say, haiti has has many struggles over the years. some of them are things like earthquakes at they have no control over, some is bad governance, some is just really difficult sort of violence that has been a persistent problem. the confluence of all of these things has made it really challenging for the population that lives there. >> i mean, what is the solution for that? people look at this and they are horrified, i mean, obviously the haitians -- talked about the resiliency of the people given the earthquakes and the issues they have had to deal with. >> i was struck by what she said because i visited a school when i was

there at city mccain who is the executive director of food world program, and we saw school where the kids are so excited to be there, they come, they're in their uniform, you know the girls you salt in the video they all had their hair in these beautiful bows and ribbons. i thought, you know, it means so much to them to be able to go to school and to their parents to get education. that is what we want, some future for the country. but, right, now you can even get to that because the violence is so pervasive. so, i think the first thing is that somehow, we need to -- the violence. that is not going to be easy because haiti does not have the capacity itself to do that. it doesn't have a military, it has a police force that is really decimated. so, they are really unable to do this, so that's why presidents -- has asked for international help. the secretary generals, the secretary of state have all said there needs to be some forth that goes in there to try and stop some of the violence. >> captain russell, obviously we're thinking of alexander family and hoping for a safe

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on capitol hill today, hunter biden's former business partner testified behind closed doors. devin carter seeing that [inaudible] on speakerphone numerous times during business meeting that they had over a period of time. that is according to a source familiar with his testimony. archer also stressed that while hunter biden this call his father who is vice president at the time, he said it was an effort to sell what he called an illusion of access to then vice president biden. cnn sources also reiterating that arch or did not provide evidence connecting bidens to his son's business dealings has, republicans have, alleged at is not changed, and arches appearance comes as he is set to serve a year long prison sentence in the unruly and fraud case, but senate still played a factor in this testimony. cnn's kara scannell joins us now. that was most notable thing seeing that hunter biden would then call -- and thrown speakerphone. i don't think it any surprise, something up behind closed

doors, we have wildly different versions from it from republicans and democrats. we definitely have. devin archer was a business person of hunter biden for a decade. he said he'd call's father every day but recalled about 20 times the hunter biden had called his father put him on speakerphone when they were on meetings with business associates. one phone call took place in perishing a dinner. he also talked about according to sources how the former president, or excuse me i guess he was the then vice president, had popped into a dinner and he had this numerous time. but, what archer did say over or according to our sources that they never discussed business. these were more cordial us hello conversations. but, the republicans are saying that they are going to seize on, this -- chairman james is saying that is is evidence that joe biden did know something about these business dealings. so in a statement after the hear said, when joe biden was vice president of the

united states, he joint hunter biden devon arhcher centers with his former -- over 20 times. what it joe biden lie to the american people about his a families business ceilings and his involvement? as you said, the democrats are choosing to look at this differently and the house member dan goldman, who was in the room when this testimony was taking place, he came out afterwards and said that this is all a waste of time. here's more what he said. >> the witness was very, very consistent, that none of those conversations ever had to do with any business dealings or transactions. they were purely, what he called, casual conversations. >> archers attorney is saying that of course, both sides are looking to claim victory here but he said that all devon archer did's answer all his questions, honestly and truthfully. >> notable, thank you for attracting all that for us. also ahead, there has been a

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a new update just in tonight, a journalist in atlanta says that he has gotten subpoenas, two of them, to appear before a fulton county grand jury, sometime in the month of august. his name is george deede, he was at the state capital on december 14th 2020 the. reason that there is critical is because that is the day the -- certify the election for president joe biden he discovered a meeting of republicans downstairs who were planning to serve as fickle actors. this is the latest indication that district attorney could plan to seek indictment in her criminal probe for trump's allies. attempts to overturn the 2020 election. we also know that meeting is