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tonight on 360, the former president chooses to be arraigned in person in
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washington as the government's case in his defense take shape. we will look ahead to tomorrow 's court appearance with former trump national security advisor john bolton. later, trump's trial judge, tanya chutkan, what we know about her history with former president. and desantis is that she has already given other january 6th defendants. and in, ukraine a remarkable rescue. ukrainian soldiers safe with the help of a drone, which you delivered medical supplies and water. good evening, tomorrow, the former president of the united states will make his second appearance in a federal court as an alleged felon. the first was in miami in the documents case. until donald trump in the 2000 -- since george washington was
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inaugurated, no hold or as the office has had to do that, even once. but tomorrow afternoon, four if the schedule holds, the 44th president since george washington will enter a federal courthouse in washington just a short walk from the capital. he will be asked by a federal majority, not the trial, judge to plea to four counts, detailed in the 43 page indictment connected to his attempts to overturn the election that he lost. an effort that special counsel jack smith said yesterday was, quote, fueled by lies. and criminal or, not there were plenty of those lies. the indictment identifies 21 separate lies, that the president told. lies about nonexistent voter through odd, about violent terms that did not happen. lies that former vice president pence had the power, which he did, not to reject biden electoral votes. today, with the defenders suggesting that his former boss was merely seeking a pause in the certification of process, not the reversal of it, now kennedy pence said this. >> let's be clear on this, point it wasn't just that they asked for a pause. the president specifically asked me in his gaggle of crack what lawyers, asks me to literally reject votes. which would have resulted in the issue being turned over to the house of representatives. >> about, said in a separate, appearance mr. penan left to the american people, unquote. which is more than, many though not all of his fellow republican candidates have said since the indictment. in a few, minutes former -- john bolton's take. also, what security now looks like around the courthouse. but first, cnn's paula reid starts us off. paula, so what is the latest on what we know about logistics
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tomorrow? >> we expect the former president will travel here to washington to attend this hearing in person, even though he did have the option to do this virtually. now this is a courthouse that is used to dealing with the ip 's, and people with motorcade. so it is highly possible that we may not see him at all during this court proceeding, there is a garage underneath this courthouse where most vips or people who want to avoid the media can easily pull into. and then of course there are no cameras in federal court. but once he is inside, the courthouse tomorrow, anderson, he is effectively under arrest. he will be processed like any other defendant, but we do not expect that he will have a mugshot taken. this issue came up in the
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manhattan appearance, and the florida initial appearance. mugshots are for juanita speckles in the limb. one of the most recognizable faces in the, world so they have not been taking much of. from now, during this -- he will not be appearing before judge -- -- it's a procedure, hearing should be over quickly. you will hear the charges that have been filed against him, he is expected to have the opportunittoand course, anderse expect that to be not guilty. >> is it clear where the special counsel's investigation goes after tomorrow? because it obviously continues? >> that's, right the special counsel has made it clear that they will continue to investigate, through our reporting we have gotten some insight into exactly what that means. we know that special counsel investigators not to granbury but the prosecutors are gonna prosecute speak to additional witnesses over the next few weeks. just next week they are gonna speak to bernie kerik. he is a former new york police commissioner, but he also has worked right alongside rudy giuliani in all of his efforts to overthrow --
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2020 election. so that is one of several witnesses that we know they are speaking to through the end of the summer. but anderson, it also speaks to the possibility of additional charges. we know this investigation continues, they could file additional charges against new defendants, or file additional charges like they did down in florida against the former president. but we, know for example, bernie kerik, they will be talking to him quite a bit about coconspirator number one, rudy giuliani. so this investigation continues, the choice to only charge the former president initially clearly strategic, and we will be watching and waiting and reporting to see whom elsa may face charges here. >> all, right thank you so much. -- cnn senior political mentor and former --
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adam kinzinger, former trump medications director anthony scaramucci. who, we should point, is a supporter of and owner to former new jersey governor chris christie and in his campaign. cnn chief political analyst gloria borger, and cnn senior legal analyst elie honig. elie, just in terms of what happens in court tomorrow, at what point does it go to judge chutkan? >> so she will have the next appearance, what she will do is, she probably has already set date in the magistrate and said, hey, i want to be parties in front of me. when you first substantive hearing, usually it within a week or two. one that went on quickly. one of the interesting things that will happen tomorrow, typically in the course of being processed, the u.s. marshals, the court staff, they will run someone's rap sheet.
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where you get your whole criminal history. it occurred to me today, donald trump is not going to have a zero. she is actually gonna have two other pending charges on that rap sheet, which is actually sadly a first in our history. but other than that it will be a largely formalistic procedure. he will enter a plea, it will be not guilty. they will set a bill, but it will be what -- recognizance, which means he can come back when he says. but the big thing with the first appearance in front of the judge will be what indication does she give us about the timing and the schedule. >> congressman kinzinger, former vice president pence did not talk to your committee, the january 6th committee, he did
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to jack smith and they obviously had his contemporaries note. whether any major surprises to you in the indictment as he looked over it? >> not a ton. i mean, look, i wish the vice president would have spoken. and, you know, i am glad that they got him to speak their. he needs to, but i think, go a step further and actually say whether or not he believes this was criminal. you can't just fall back on i am not a lawyer, i will let the lawyers decide. i mean, i think the things, that i don't get surprised by the, is because i have been so surprised, like my surprise glands are all destroyed by now. but -- the thing that really kind of shock to me was the amount of violence that they were discussing.
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that these coconspirators were talking about that they knew there would be riots in the streets, eastman are clark that said, yeah, sometimes to paraphrase, the tree of liberty has to be refreshed with the blood of patriots. also just the continuation during the actual insurrection, 187 minutes. regionally and others continuing to reach out to try to turn senators -- nuts, and it feel like real life. it is real life. and that is why it is so important for us to follow through and make sure justice is done. >> go ahead, gloria. >> anderson, it was shocking to me to hear mike pence talk about crock pot lawyers. it is not the kind of language that you usually hear from mike pence. and i think he is getting a little bit more bold about how he is gonna handle donald trump.
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because as he said today, anybody who puts himself above the constitution should never be president of the united states. and he said directly that that is exactly what the former president was asking him to do. so i don't think we have ever seen mike pence like this, and i think it is going to continue to get worse and worse, because i think that he realizes that in order to win this nomination one way or another he has to go right through diagram. >> but anthony, the person you are supporting, chris christie, has certainly been bold in his commission of the former president. but there is not a lot of other republicans running who have is a hutchinson, will, hurts to some extent. you know, mike pence being bold is not exactly maybe, you know, most people's definition of gold? >> right. >> i would say it is like howdy duty calling out the bully in a bar, and expecting something to
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happen. of course, nothing is gonna happen. so, he is a terrific guy, a terrific vice president pence. but if you want to win the what have you got to lose? at this point? you have to take on, you know, donald trump. and what shocked me from the new york times poll yesterday, the times poll said these are over 300 maga supporters. and we asked them, you know, are you just willing to overlook anything in order to vote, you know, for donald trump? there was not one person in that group who thought that donald trump had anything flaws at all to overlook. >> and i want to get back to the, trial because i, lead the former presidents attorney told kaitlan collins last night that you thought it could take nine months to a year, given all court dates and stuff for this. i mean, is that a reasonable timeframe?
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or is that a wish list from the trump side? >> that is high to me, i think, in terms of trying the actual case. there are cases, though, that take four, five, six months in order to try them in front of a jury. and even if we got that estimate in half, and say that this will take four months, that is a big problem for prosecutors. because there is not an available realistic a four -month calendar spot at this point. we already have between the two trials that have already been
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scheduled, march through july is booked. you cannot get it through that. it is too late after that. now, keep in mind, these trial dates are not set in stone. they can move. the dea who has the march and april date, alvin bragg, he has publicly been signaling that he would be willing to consider trying to move off of his state to accommodate this. when the prosecutors, by the way, there is nothing wrong with him getting together. fani willis, alvin bragg, jack smith, they're saying, hey, let's prioritize, if we have room to try maybe one or two
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trials, which is the most important? -- mark meadows, he has referenced once or twice this indictment -- >> do you think you've made a deal. >> i don't know, so i'm not gonna say he has made a deal. but i do think mark meadows, when push comes to shove, he is gonna side with the law. and i think he is under oath somewhere, he is gonna be telling people the truth. you know? he is not donald trump that's gonna spew out, you know, one live per second when he is with people. so, listen you know, adam kinzinger is 100 percent correct. what are you guys doing. why are you waiting on this. okay? you have a lawless person who is running a colt inside what used to be ronald reagan's party. where is the mantle of
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leadership in this party? other than governor christie and slightly vice president pence. get out there and go after the sky, and explain to the american people what he is doing. and pop that bubble that his cult is living in. that is what they have got to do. and if they don't do that, he is gonna get the nomination, and we are gonna have a redo of 2020. >> ali, i mean, on whether it is mark meadows or others, they have more evidence that it is not in this indictment. >> oh for sure. >> they are saving stuff for a courage? >> you put halves much evidence as you need to an indictment. mark meadows know prince conundrum for prosecutors
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because in the federal system, good prosecutors, there is no such thing as halfway cooperation. so if you take mark, minutes if you are a prosecutor and you want to totally on board with you, and you believe he has committed crimes, he has to plead guilty to those crimes. now, it is hard to look at this indictment that donald trump is charged, with all these serious crimes, and say somehow mark meadows stayed completely on the other side of the fence and kept himself clean while trump was doing all of this. so either he has pled guilty or world plead guilty, in which case he is a capital c cooperator. as olc is not much used to the government. >> elie? >> anderson, one thing. >> gloria? >> people i've interviewed about, him inside and outside the white house call him the enabler. he was with donald trump every single step of the way and it is incredibly odd that suddenly he has gone silent, and they believe he knows a lot. and that he was the enabler. >> gloria, thanks, elie honig, adam kinzinger, anthony scaramucci, great to have you, on thank, you next, more on some of the numbers that gloria mentioned a moment on w af tadvan j being tough defenda. images and videos. social media, fine-tuned to suck them in. and steal them away. alone you can't stop it. together we will. we have a plan. join us. ( ♪ )
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right now, it is one of the former presidents legal woes don't have much of an impact on his republicans, and the indifference that led to millions of dollars in fund raising for him. now, new polling shows him tied with president biden in a general election matchup. our cnn data reporter harry enten is here. i mean, i think i know the answer to, this but how do republican see the charges against the former president? >> you, know what i find so amazing is now of course he has been that three times. and you might think that with each of these three indictments that they might view each one somewhat differently. they don't. they view them all the same. and it is all either 15 or 16%
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who believed that he should have been charged. they could charge him with basically anything, and i am not sure that the republican base would view it any differently. and that is a big reason why he maintains this lead in the primary. >> so that is 15, 16, 16, that is people in the republicans who think he should've been charged. >> that's, correct that's republicans who think he should have been charged. the vast majority believe that he should not have been charged. just a sliver of the electorate believes so. >> okay, i am not sure i even want to see, december but what percentage of republicans see the 2020 election as legitimate? >> yeah, you probably don't want to see this number, because the clear majority believe that it was not legitimate. look at this, over 60%, and cnn has pulled this, any number of times, almost a dozen times i think dating back since 2021. and every single time the result has looked something
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like this. with somewhere between, say, roughly 60 and 70% of the republican base who do not believe the 2020 election was legitimate. and i think that that is part of the reason why republicans do not believe that trump should be charged, given the actions of january 6th. because they believe, you know, basically the 2020 election was illegitimate, and everything else there on is putting through his. rights >> is that the one through which people see, i, mean how do republicans view, how are their views on the election of 2020 coloring who they support at this time? >> yeah so i think this is the key nuggets when trying to understand why donald trump has a lead in the 2024 republican primary race. so if you break it down on their views of the 2020 election, if you believe that trump did not, excuse, me that biden did not win legitimately, look at trump's support, it is into the 60s. if you do in fact believe that biden won legitimately, you can basically slice 40 points off of that. trump is in the mid to high 40s twenties.
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so if people actually believe what is, true that is the 2020 election was legitimate, trump supporters before. lesson that's part of the reason i wonder why the other republicans are not going after trump and saying, you know, what he did in fact lose that election legitimately. because if he did, they might be able to slice his support of -- they are deciding, you know, what we are gonna get this to trump. >> the soft hands? >> i don't know, you know? not, heard kitty gloves. >> harry enten, thank you. >> thank you. >> former u.s. ambassador john bolton, indigent serving -- security, advisor also obviously an attorney. >> ambassador bolton, you've seen the, indictment alleges the former president not only gradually gully turn the election, but he did so knowing that he had actually lost. it are you satisfied with the scope of the charges against him? >> i am satisfied with the scope. i think it is a very well done indictment. obviously tailored for speedy trials, which i think is important. but i think this case has a problem that the classified documents case really does not. and that is the question of
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what trump's state of mind actually was. and what he knew, purported to know about the election, and what his intentions were. and i am worried that given the stakes here, and given the criminal standard of reasonable doubt to be enough to find a juror, for a juror to find trump not guilty. that this case could be problematic. because i think in the big picture of what is best for the country, which is making sure that donald trump doesn't become president again, that if this case were to go to trial, first, let's say, among the several criminal cases. and trump were acquitted? we're got a hung jury, which would be tantamount to the same thing in the short term. i think that that would clinch the republican nomination, and might even clinch the general election. >> do you think, though, that the public have a right to hear this case adjudicated before the election? >> well i think the first rate is the defendants right to a
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fair trial. no question about it. but i think the public interest here argues almost beyond a doubt itself in favor of trial before the election. this case, and really the classified documents case goes to how trump handled himself as a president and a former president. and both cases show that he didn't handle it very well. trump, if he were innocent, if he were really innocent, he would be saying, i want a trial tomorrow, i want this stain removed from my reputation. that is obviously not his strategy, we all know what his strategy is. but i think the prosecutors really now at this point you need to work out what the best schedule is going to be, and i think frankly, the georgia and new york prosecutors should defer to the federal prosecutors. and if need be, move their trials after the election. the main reason i say that is that if trump is elected, he will dismiss the federal prosecutions. and if he's already been committed, he will pardon himself. state prosecutions can go on even after he is elected. >> one of the former presidents --
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may declare that in the election case in the january 6th case, they are clearly gonna make some sort of first amendment defense. do you think there is such a defense to be had here? no, you know? the first amendment does not apply to conspiracies to violate the law. and smith tries to show in the indictment itself that he is not going after freedom of speech. so i think that that will fail. i think the problem is in the proof of intent beyond a reasonable doubt. and smith in fact makes a point, i don't know if he intended to do, it but he makes it in paragraph if the four of the indictment, where he talks about the scam to set up fake electors. just read one sentence of who may. talking about memorandum that's one of the lawyers prepared. one of trump's lawyers prepared. he said the memorandum evolved over time from a legal strategy to preserve the defendants rights, to a corrupt plan to
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support the federal government function. and that is the statement you write which i think is true. yesterday in principle to be legitimate. but then became corrupt of time. and i think that is where it gets very difficult. and i come back again to the well-known standard of reasonable doubt. it only takes one juror with a reasonable doubt to hang the jury on that count. >> mark meadows is barely mentioned in this indictment. does that raise questions for you? >> well it certainly seems to indicate that he has been cooperating. i know his lawyer, a former doj w. attorney general, george to really are, very well. we worked together on the famous florida recount in 2000, and georgia's a great lawyer. i'm sure he has had some interesting discussions with the prosecutors. so meadows could turn out to be a prosecution witness against
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trump. very definitely. >> i spoke last night with retired federal judge michael luttig who is a conservative and advised vice president pence not to interfere with the electorate certifications. he said that these events will further scar the united states, and it will forever and stay in the united states in the eyes of the world, never again will the world be inspired by america's democracy in the way that it has been inspired since america's founding almost 250 years ago. it is a really sad statement. do you think that is true? >> i've known like for many years, i have a lot of respect for, and i don't agree with him on that point. i think trump is an aberration. i think he is so unliked, any other american president, that
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the stain will be on him for any other country to have -- >> so many republicans are still voting for, and they are still supporting him. >> he could win. >> the case, he could, it's, but, it's not a reflection i think on the country. it is reflection on trump's unique ability to lie and get away with it as he has for many years. >> ambassador bolton, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> coming up, next to the security preparations underway for former presidents court appearance tomorrow. also the trial, judge -- her history with the defendant, and how she has already dealt with january 6th rioters.
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as we set up for the program, preparations got underway shortly after the indictment yesterday for donald trump's arraignment tomorrow in washington. cnn's shimon prokupecz outside the federal courthouse there now. what do we expect to see as the former president arrives tomorrow? >> well certainly, anderson, we have done this now, what? three times. and in each city they have been doing it differently. much of what we have seen in
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previous places is going to take place here. we are actually at the back of the courthouse here in washington d. c.. the federal courthouse where we expect the former president to arrive. and he is going to arrive here in the back, anderson, and what we expect is that they are going to be driving here through the back. there is a garage here, he's gonna be taking red upstairs to the second floor. this entire street here is going to be closed. this is where the motorcade is. there is already signs posted here, saying that there will be no parking from 6 am to six pm. and so this entire area, we expected to be flooded with law enforcement, as they await for the former presidents arrival. and just around the corner here, anderson, where we go, it's actually the side entrance of the courthouse. where we also expect there to be a large presence, law enforcement presence. we are not seeing that right now. but certainly through the night and into the morning we do expect that to change, anderson? >> and what kind of preparations are being put in place tonight? >> so, actually, i want to show you something, anderson, when we get to the corner, here we are just a couple of blocks from the capital. and we have already seen capitol police putting barriers, barricades in place. the capital is just down the street here. and to the left, you could see
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that we saw capitol police and other officials starting to put a barricade. there is so much concern here that they are trying to secure the area around the capital. of course, january 6th on the mind of many here in law enforcement. and because of that they are going as far as across the street here,. and placing barriers, these metal barriers that you see here, they are now placing them all across the capital. and just up, here anderson, it would be the entrance to the courthouse. the side entrance where many of the press are gathering already. as you can see, to get in line, to get inside the courthouse. and obviously this entire street, we expect that law enforcement will close it down. we expect other street closures, given how close we are to the capital. and obviously there is just a lot of concern. there is no threats, no credible threats, but officials here are not taking any chances. and so tomorrow certainly by the morning we should see more
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security and more law enforcement officials present out here. >> simone progressed, thank you so much. as we mentioned, earlier tomorrow, the former president has decided to show up in person, will go before the match to judge any federal courthouse in washington for us criminal trial though. a federal judge was chosen at random to oversee the proceedings. her name is judge tanya, she has been on the bench for nearly a decade. and has ruled on another legal fight of the former president, as well as sentencing number january six defendants. randi kaye has more about her. >> she has described the events of january 6th as a violent mob seeking to overthrow the lawfully elected government. district judge tanya chutkan has a reputation as somebody hands down harsher sentences, specifically in cases related to the january 6th rioters. >> she is talked about 2020, for any threat these rioters pose, the four sentences. >> as a federal judge in d. c., chutkan has presided over dozens of criminal cases against alleged january 6th
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rioters. she has often been outspoken at their sentencing hearings. at a january 22 sentencing hearing. for two friends who had gone to the capitol, chutkan said that this wasn't a bill in ted's excellent adventure, she added, they came to washington knowing full well the events of january 6th. their actions were an assault on the american people. she also called it a violent attempted overthrow of the government. but almost succeeded. at the criminal sentencing of another rioter, she said this. >> he did not go to the u.s. capitol out of any love for our country, he went for one man. one man in that sentence would be donald trump. >> this won't be the first time that shotgun has dealt with a case involving the former president. in november, 2021, judge can rejected trump's efforts to block the house select committee, investigating january 6th, from accessing more than 700 pages of records
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from the white house. in her ruling in that case, she wrote this memorable line. presidents are not kings. and plaintiff's not president. [crowd chanting] >> not gonna call the january 6th violence and assault on american democracy. saying that rioters soiled and defaced the halls of the capitol, and showed their contempt for the rule of law. she has repeatedly gone above what prosecutors have requested for convicting rioters, and prison sentences. china's also issued a warning about future political violence, at a sentencing hearing in december of 2021. it has to be made clear that trying to stop the peaceful transition of power, assaulting law enforcement, it's going to be met with certain punishment. >> it's bedrock. >> chutkan was born in kingston, jamaica, she was appointed by barack obama in 2014, and has served as a federal judge since the senate confirmed her 95 to 0. before that, she spent more than a decade working as a public defender after graduating from the university of pennsylvania law school. randi kaye, cnn. >> just ahead, tonight we are gonna tell you more about the six coconspirators named in the federal indictment of the former president, who most of them are and what they are alleged to have done. ♪ i have type 2 diabetes, ♪ ♪ but i manage it well. ♪ ♪ it's a little pill with a big story to tell. ♪ ♪ i take once-daily jardiance, ♪
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prosecutors described as an attorney who is willing to spread knowingly false claims and pursue strategies that the defendants 2020 reelection campaign attorneys would not. that is rudy giuliani the man at the center of trump's efforts. >> and if we are wrong, we will be made fools of. >> according to the indictment, coconspirator one left a voice mail for a u.s. senator, hours before the deadly riot at the capitol on january 6th. >> asking the lawmaker to stop congress from certifying the vote. >> senator tuberville, we need you, our republican friends, to try to just slow it down so that we can get these elections, and get more information,. >> john eastman. >> cnn learned coconspirator to 's lawyer john eastman. the architect of a plot to have them vice president mike pence block the certification. >> all we are demanding of vice president pence is this afternoon at 1:00, he let the legislatures of the state look into this. >> prosecutors pointed to a memo, cnn has confirmed that it was authored by eastman. arguing that pence had that authority, even though most
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legal experts disagree. >> did the trump legal team ask you to prepare memorandum regarding the vice president's role in the accounting of electoral votes in the joint session of congress on january 6th? , 2021. >> the third alleged coconspirators former trump election lawyer sydney powell. a prominent peddler of false voting fraud claims. >> we have evidence of different numbers of votes being injected into the system. >> the indictment cites a lawsuit that powell filed based in part on a false claims that georgia poll workers tipped the scales from biden. the fourth coconspirator? >> hey, mr. clark, how are, you good to see.
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you -- jeffrey clark. tapped by trump in the final days of his presidency to help keep him in office. later becoming a focus of investigators who even searched his home. the indictment referring to an email a top justice department official said to clark, rebutting clerks attempts to use the justice department to overturn the election. coconspirator five is pro trump lawyer kenneth chesebro. among other things, the indictment references an email memo that coconspirator five sent to giuliani on december 13th, 2020, about the fake electors plot. >> cnn has not been able to identify the sixth coconspirator. described as a political consultant who helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceedings. >> back with, a smaller, do you
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know if any of these people could be charged in the future? >> it is certainly possible, anderson. because while it remains up to a jury whether the former president conduct was illegal, it is clear, it's a fact that he did not engage in this conduct alone. and it is a strategic choice to only charge former president trump here. and we know that the additional witnesses are coming in, and some of those witnesses could be able to provide very helpful evidence, either in support of or against this coconspirator, like bernie kerik, we have talked about him earlier in the show. he is going to be a key witness when it comes to the decision on whether or not to charge rudy giuliani, for example, so this investigation continues. it is notable that these people were described and identified as coconspirators. and anderson, it is certainly possible that all of them or some of them may be charged. >> all right, paula reid, thank you so much. justin had, an incredible rescue of a wounded ukrainian soldier, spotted by a drone, you see him there. which then went back into and
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delivered supplies to him and let another help is on the way. >>
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i want to turn to the war in ukraine, now ukraine officials said today that more than 10,000 civilians have been killed since the war began. that doesn't include those killed in russian occupied areas. well, military officials today are claiming small advances in the southeast of the country. russia continues its drone strikes, these images are from damage reported in odessa region. president zelenskyy says it all 37 iranian made drones attacked, ukraine early this morning. there were no casualties. our nick paton walsh has some stunning video from the front lines of how ukrainians are administering aid to both their soldiers and to the russians that they capture. in one case, they used a drone to help save ukrainian soldiers life. >> it is usually only the dead lying here in the craters of ukraine's southern front. but sometimes a glimpse of life shines.
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this drone spotting a ukrainian soldier, sergei, separated from his unit. we did in the chest and leg by shelling. he filmed this as he lay alone leading. he feared whatever fight he put up to live would not be enough. he later talked to cnn from his hospital bed. [speaking in a non-english language] >> translator: i was ready to fight for my life, and i did even lying there in the blazing sun. i realized but i was too close to the russians, and when you even start to look at you are gonna different way. the drone operators hadd other plans, they attached -- water -- it may count 1 million, and dropped the package. but he didn't know if it was from the russian bomb. >> all the time i was, crawling a drone was always hovering above.
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we didn't realize if it was friend or foe. it was a lottery. >> this is the moment he realizes that the drone may save him. >> the water and medicine kept coming, easing the pain that was visible even from up high, and then he crawled back to safety. >> the combat medics who gave me first aid when they found we were very surprised that ice arrived for days with a pierced lung. >> he's recovering, and talks now of a new life with greater value and purpose. they don't want to leave anyone behind, said the drone operator. >> [speaking in a non-english language] >> translator: every life is important to us, i could not live with myself if we just left somebody behind. left someone in the field. >> [speaking in a non-english language] >> probably only several miles, away it was uglier. here as ukrainian assault by
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the 15th national guard on the russian position. >> it is ferocious and eventually forced a dozen russian troops to pull back. artillery had injured the russian commander badly, and the russians left him behind. presuming he was dead. but this video supplied by ukrainian forces shows that they found him alive. >> [speaking in a non-english language] >> and he received medical treatment. we are not naming him for his safety, but he was later awarded a posthumous medal, according to russian media reports. left behind, and declared dad by his comrades. ukrainians who found him say that he may have wished he didn't survive. >> [speaking in a non-english language] >> translator: we said, don't try anything or you will die. he says. and he asked us to shoot him. and we offered him a chance to do it himself. but he said he could not do that. he is an enemy, and i had no
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real desire to save him, but orders are orders. and they have our guys, and we can swap prisoners. >> [speaking in a non-english language] >> translator: as a human, another says, i was shocked that they had left behind. but as a soldier, i know my enemy. and i know it is not an uncommon practice. for them. the opposite from different sides in these wide, ugly, expanses of violence. >> nick joins us now. what an extraordinary human story from different vantage points on the battlefield. i mean, the idea that that drone could spot the soldier and be able to bring him supplies? i mean, that is an incredible report. >> i think it is a reflection of the ingenuity that we see, frankly from the ukrainians using something, frankly, which you could set up in your own garage and pull up together to drop medicine and it was
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interesting to hear from the soldier--. extraordinary sounds of his fortune, and being found, being rescued. medicine seems to have pick him up enough, given him enough energy to get himself back. and also reflecting his desire -- back to the frontlines. but still, it's called on, to come back to the fight here partially. and also, do i think within, that anderson, the fate of the russian commander. sadly another reflection too about russia appears to value the lives of their own forces. yes, we do know that the they may have presumed him to have been killed. because of the heavy artillery strikes on that train. the speed, frankly, in which he was simply written off and presumed to have passed. and then given a posthumous medal, a reflection, we think, of the different value of human life that moscow. >> nick paton walsh, thank you. a quick programming note, the family of travis king, the
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