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there's lot of news to get to. good morning. >> very big day in washington and aross the country. >> yes, very big day for washington. former president donald trump set to appear in a washington, d.c., courtroom on charges he tried to overturn the 2020 election and hang on to power, this is his third arraignment in four months. new overnight, barricades going up outside the federal courthouse, the secret service has done a walk through and law enforcement is monitoring potential threats. >> trump's former attorney general tells cnn that he believes his odd boss, quote, knew well that he lost the election. >> 2024 candidate mike pence, former vice president mike pence said his former boss was, quote, surrounded by a group of
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crackpot lawyers kept telling him what he wanted to hear. you hear this is a lot. today's a monumental day, the third time president trump is going to be arraigned in formouse. >> and in washington, d.c. the same courthouse where dozens upon dozens of rioters of the january 6th insurrection on the capitol have been tried and charged. mow the former president heading back to washington, d.c. on the actions that led to january 6th. >> let's walk through with what's about to happen. donald trump will return to epicenter of his alleged pt to overturn the election, he'll appear d.c. courtroom. he's expected to plead not guilty. his fingerprints will be digitally taken. a mugshot will not be take zmrn
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a preview of what trump's lawyers will be argued. his claim of election fraud will be protected by free speech. following the advice of his lawyers. our caitlin collins asked about three of those potential arguments. >> all conspiracies involve speech and all fraud involves speech. free speech doesn't give you the right to engage in fraudulent conspiracy. i don't think defensive advice of counsel is going to go forward because i think the president would have to get on the stand and subject himself to cross-examination in order to raise that and waive attorney/client privilege. >> what would happen if he got on the stand? >> i think -- it would not come out very well for him. i have come to believe he knew well that he had lost the
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election. >> we have team coverage for trump's bedminster, new jersey, home. walk us through what's actually going to happen on the ground there in d.c. today. >> reporter: phil and poppy, donald trump won't be expecting to be stepping foot outside of the courthouse on these grounds that are so close to the u.s. capitol where he had that riot after the election, the rally after the election that turned into a riot. he'll be coming into d.c. there will be some minor or at least short-term traffic disruptions. not a lot of parking here. barriers up. so it's going to be quite a fortres-like situation down here at the courthouse. at the time of this arraignment which is scheduled for 4:00 p.m.
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in the afternoon. when this happens, donald trump will be brought into the courthouse and he'll be taken up into the very areas where he'll be arrested and then where he'll be presented before the magistrate judge to face these charges for the first time related to january 6th. it's very likely many members of the special counsel's office will be in the courtroom with him. jack smith special council himself he was in the courthouse with donald trump and his lawyers sitting opposite of him when he was arraigned in florida in the separate case related to the documents. it's quite possible that we see jack smith and donald trump in the same room again today. donald trump is very likely to be sitting at a defense table. he may not address the court at all himself, but his lawyers will and he'll be in that court, we won't have any photos or video of anything that happens inside the courthouse that's how federal court works. however, there are sketch artists that can observe it as
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well as members of the public and the members of press. expected to be very short but an important hearing because it kicks us off into the road toward a trial after donald trump is arrested facing those charges. lot to look forward to here today. >> thanks very much for the reporting if washington. let's go to bedminster where donald trump is waking up ahead of his third arraignment. what are you hearing from behind the scenes about what they're doing to prepare for this moment. >> reporter: i'm here, just outside the president's former golf club, he'll be passing right near here later today as he heads to washington, did. c., for his court appearance. this is his third arraignment in a matter of months.
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they know what they're walking into. you can expect donald trump's mood today to be quite somber in d.c. he's very clearly unhappy with these charges and frustrated that he has to go through this process i'm told. now i want to point out some things that have been happening behind the scenes here, in bedminster tuesday night shortly after trump learned that he indicted he dined with fox news executives. fox news president wallace sat down with him and encouraged him to participa in their republican primary debate being held later this month in milwaukee. we have some reporting he was no committal about his coappearanc. he's pointed to his commanding lead in the polls as well as his
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front-runner status for not wanting to share the stage with some of his rivals. >> all right, thank you. so this is trump's third arrest in four months, the two previous indictmented related to fals falsifying -- he's facing charges in three different cases right now as a gop front-runner. good morning, everyone. we're so glad you're here. let's start on the law of it all. bill barr sort of knocking down one by one what the defense counsel for trump seems to be putting out there. >> he really does. you know in particular it's the speech point. the free speech point that the president was entitled to speak as candidate for office and
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certainly candidates for office are entitled to have some of the greatest protections for speech but the simple fact is some simple statements can be criminal act, threatening someone else is a great example. attorney general barr said all statements involve speech. this relying on the advice of counsel defense is really going to bite the president, he'll have to be cross examined and every statement he's made to his attorneys is fair game for prosecutors. that can be devastating. as a defendant he's entitled to make the case he wishes. these are all sort of risky. >> that's an important point, we're seeing the federal government side of this case up to this point, we haven't seen a
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defense other than what we have seen on television. what was interesting when i was listening to the interview with former attorney general bill barr. it was all interesting to some degree. he was talking about the idea of evidence of fraud and there have had been 2 1/2 years no evidence of fraud. pretty much no way the president couldn't know based on everything laid out in the indictment. take a listen >> here we are 2 1/2 years and still they haven't come forward with any evidence. as the indictment comes forward you have giuliani saying we have a loft theories but not evidence. no evidence. they wanted to overturn the election and they had no evidence of outcome determ native fraud. >> what's striking so much of what we heard from his legal defense team is state of mind, what he actually believed and
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what the prosecutors look at what he's been told over and over and there has been no evidence still to this moment. >> it goes to the question about competency. the track of i knew it was a lie but i said it anyway. or he's going to say i truly believe it or all the evidence is the contrary. at the core of this donald trump decided to pursue his own passion and desire for power at the cost of our vote and not just my vote, your vote, the american people's vote, that didn't matter to him. him putting his own personal ambitions over our bed rook of our democracy is the core of it. >> and the civil rights component. >> the most fascinating part of all this. david? >> first of all, to this point about whether he knowingly was
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lying about this or whether he actually believed he lost it seems from the indictment that the prosecutors are going to attempt to make the case in court that he actually knew he lost because they laid out -- i forget what the total count was, maybe 11 different people went in and explained -- >> his attorney general, joint chiefs of staff. jason miller. >> they put this entire litany of people who explained to him that he lost it seems like they're going to argue to a jury that he must have known he lost. >> but it's interesting bill barr said and so much the lawyers, the more difficult part for prosecutors is to really, really get into the mind to prove intent in the moment. >> listen to what he said kind of compared to what trump's lawyers said. back to back. and what jack smith hasn't shown yet. listen. >> i would like them to try to
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prove beyond a reasonable doubt that donald trump believed that these allegations were false. >> the government in their indictment takes the position that he had actual knowledge that he had lost the loex and the election wasn't stolen through fraud. they'll have to prove it through beyond a reasonable doubt. we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg on this. >> this gets at what david was saying. but to that point, should there be a general assumption there's a lot more behind the 45-page indictment in terms of what the special counsel's office has right now. >> i think it's probably likely. the attorney general's touching on a very important point here. what reasonable doubt means. the highest standard in our system, in our criminal justice system and you really have to establish to almost near
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certainty that something is true. in the indictment they list one instance of the president acknowledging that he lost the election and a litany of points where people seem to put him on notice. that litany sort of establishes this idea that he was recklessly disregarding facts or reality in carrying out the act of fraud there. but that can be tough to prove. again, it's important to note that in order to establish conspiracy to defraud the government you have to have some act of dishonesty and that's why all this focus on whether the president lost the election. my father in law asked me this question, why did we care that he lied? in order to get to that first charge you have to prove some act of dishonesty. >> your father in law wakes up
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very early in the morning. >> my father in law is hong kong. >> that's cheating. this morning, we have this interesting brand-new cnn poll how many americans actually believe trump's election lies. and how americans feel about president biden. we'll break down all the numbebs ahead. -rate personal loan from sofi. ditch credit card fees and high interest. boborrow up to $100k. sofi. get your money right. this is american infrastructure. megawatts of power, and essentiaservices of every kind. all running on countless invisible networks, but the same ai-powered security that protects all of google also defends the systems running america's infrastructure. for these services. for the 336 million of us living here.
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>>weome back. we have brand-new cnn polling showing 41% of americans approve the way president biden has handled his job. cnn political director is back. you've been combing through the number >> take a look at how low his appral rating has been over time. 41% in our brand-new poll. he's been stuck there. look in may, march, he was at 42%. in the aftermath where the democrats overperformed expexations in the midterms. the indepe 36% job approval among independents. again it there, that's constant. independents were a critical part of joe biden's success in
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winninthwhite house. take a look at where joe biden falls compared to his modern-day edecessors at this point in their prcy. in june or july of the third year now, and you see that joe biden is down there with jimmy carter, donald trump, ronald reagan is the exceptional to the rule there. the other guys are one-term presi presidents. the biden white house would like to follow that reagan model. he's in a danger zone heading into re-election. >> especially if it's the economy, stupid. especially that, right. what do the numbers show. >> despite all these positive economic indicators,e a look about 25% say that economic conditions in ts country are very good or somewhat good. 75% say they poor. take a look at that nuer about
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economic conditions being good over time and you see here it's been a pretty down mood for americans foite some time during this biden administration. nearly a small, slim majority 51% of americans tell us they think this economy is still in downturn. i showed his overa approval. look at approval rating on y and inflation, it's 37% approval on the economy, 30% approval on inflation. that's lower than his overall job approval meaning the economy is a bit of a weak spot. >> we'll get to the other really interesting point. can you blame people when you go to grocery store still costs more. it's really hard to get a mortgage now. two staple things for folks. >> no doubt about it. as we know, perception is reality. so you have the good economic
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indicators and this is what we learn from white house sources all the time, they want him out on bidenomics tour. >> they're convinced that if people just recognize what's happening they will understand and believe and it's been a disconnect the last couple of years. poppy mentioned there's another poll as ll, some other numbers that are fascinating. asking if president biden legitimately won the presidency. 61% say yes. look at the breakdown. near 7 in 10 repub said bilegitimately win. that's jarring. >> it is jar. in fact that 69% number you se republicans saying that bide didn't legitimately win it ticked back up. this was taken in the month of july. this was context.
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keep in mind that nearly 7 in 10 republicans say that joe biden didn't legitimately win the election, that's why donald trump believes he's created for himself politically a successful alternate universe from the facts laid out in the indictment. >> you worked with adam kinzinger, john boehner. not reflective of where the republicans are writ large. >> that's jarring to me. i think about the republicans i worked for you as you mentioned, the ones who i talked to on daily basis, part of the reason i'm a conservative and i can't justify that number. to me that doesn't make sense to me. i think it also plays into what's happening right now and why donald trump is seizing on this election lie. it builds into this conspiracy he's been able to convince 7 out of 10 people that he won the
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election in 2020. >> do those numbers to you say they are more against biden or for trum >> if you're looking objectively people are disappointed in what biden has done it's easy -- >> he shouldn't been there. >> he shouldn't have been there in first place. donald trump doesn't have a plan. never really had a plan as far as we can tell so far his entire campaign right now is simply is vende vendettas. unfortunately he's not only lied to the people who support him but he's also setting up for failure. >> a couple of other findings in this poll telling going forward. there's -- the majority has little confidence or no confidence that elections are going to reflect reality in our society. that's problem for a functionin.
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our country is split in half about whether or not elections will be overturned for partisan purposes. the fact that the country says yes that will happen that shows the weakness in the fundamentals in our democracy. >> this moment right now is not about getting to tomorrow where it seems like the former president is most days, it's so much more than that. you asked republicans on capitol hill who won the election and they're being candid with you, maybe, maybe one out of every 50 says trump did. they all know, they all know and it's their supporters that they're telling. thanks, guys. appreciate it. now, two soldiers injured in russia's war, why the ukrainian army rescued both their come read and their enemy. that's next. plus, the pittsburgh
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new attacks in russian territory this morning. russian forces shot down seven drones in an area southwest of moscow. calling it a foiled terror attack by the kyiv regime. look at this. rescuing one of their own soldiers injured on the battlefield and injuring a russian commander left for dead
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by his own unit. >> reporter: extraordinary footage here of the intensity of the fight down in the south here. now those drone strikes you talked about ukraine it seems trying to hit russia, russia trying to hit ukraine and most of them intercepted part of this growing sense of violence and anticipation as the ukrainian counteroffensive towards kyiv's objectives begins to build. two stories of different fates on the front lines. it's usually only the dead lying here. in the craters of ukraine's southern front. but sometimes a glint of life shines. this drone spotting a ukrainian soldier separated from his unit. wounded in the chest and leg by shelling he filmed this as he lay alone bleeding. he feared whatever fight he lived he put up would not be enough. >> translator: i was ready to
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fight for my life. i did. even lying under the blazing sun. i realized i was too close to the russians. >> reporter: but the drone operators had other plans. they attached water, medicine and a note to the drone and sent it back. it found him again and dropped the package. but he didn't know if it was friendly or a russian bomb. >> translator: all the time i was crawling a drone was always hovering above, we didn't realize if it was friend or foe. it was a lottery. >> reporter: this is the moment that he realizes that the drone may save him. the water and medicine kept coming easing the pain that was visible even from up high and then he crawled back to safety. >> translator: the combat medics who gave me first aid were very surprised i survived for two
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days with a pierced lung. >> reporter: he's recovering and talks now of a new life with greater value and purpose. they don't want to leave anyone behind said the drone operator. >> translator: every life is important to us. i could not live with myself if we just left someone behind in the field. probably only several miles away salvation was uglier, here as ukrainian assaults by the 15th national guard on a russian position. it's ferocious and eventually forced the dozen russian troops to pull back, artillery that injured the russian commander badly and the russians left him behind presuming he was dead. but this video supplied by ukrainian forces show they found
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him alive. he received medical treatment. we're not naming him for his safety but he was later awarded a posthumous medal. the ukrainians who found him say he may have wished he didn't survive. >> translator: we said don't try anything or he'll try. >> he's an enemy and i had no order to save him. >> translator: as a human other said i was shocked they left him behind. as soldier i know my enemy and i know it's not an uncommon practice for them. the opposite fate on different
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sides in these wide ugly expanses of violence. >> reporter: should point out if we don't know if eventually russia has become aware that the commander survived and is in ukrainian captivity. fair to say russia's value of human life on the front lines here, ukraine trying there to think broadcast the ingeneral youty it will use to get its troops back alive. >> nick, that's extraordinary to see. thank you very much for bringing it to us. canadian prime minister justin trudeau and wife ending their marriage after 18 years.
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after 18 years of marriage canadian prime minister justin trudeau and his wife are separating. announcing the news on instagram. we'd like to share the fact after many difficult conversations we've made the decision to separate. erica hill is with us now.
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they have three kids, right. >> yes. >> i was if ottawa with president biden a couple of months ago, he was there. very surprising. >> there was definitely some surprise. i did a deep dive in canadian media. maybe some people who weren't surprised. but i don't think there's as much a focus on relationships in other countries like if the u.s. when it comes to marriages. they were at king charles' coronation back in may. putting out this statement and in terms the prime minister's office, they put out after this was posted on the insta gram account both the prime minister and now-separated wife, the prime minister's office pointing out a statement they signed a legal separation agreement. their focus is their family, their children, asking for privacy for obvious reasons, saying they remain a close family.
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i had a great sense of relief. and that there was justice. i thought that the punishment was well served. >> that's the daughter of one of the victims of the tree of life synagogue mass shooting reacting to the jury sentencing her mother's killer to death. yesterday a jury in pittsburgh handed down robert bowers' fate nearly five years after he carried out the deadliest antisemitic attack in u.s. hiry. he killed 11 people, 6 more were hurt. danny freeman has been following the whole trial. >> i had a great sense of relief. that there was justice. >> reporter: in an interview with cnn, shooting survivor andrea wedner described.
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>> it was a great sense of relief. it was very emotional. here we are in courtroom and we're not allowed show our emotions, so we waited until we got out into the hallway. >> reporter: she cried and hugged fellow family members who lost loved one in attacks. her own mother was killed during the shooting. andrea also shot stayed with her until her last breath. >> what was it like for you having to testify and relive so much of what happened that day? >> it was difficult but it was cleansing, it was freeing, i needed to tell my story. we all needed to tell our stories, we needed to know. everyone needed to know how brutal this was. >> reporter: verdict forms revealed jurors weren't convinced of the defendant's
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court arguments. the jury found bowers methodically planned the shooting was motivated by his hatred of jews and showed no remorse after the massacre. both judge and jurors were emot emotional. >> it felt like justice was happening. >> reporter: audrey glickman also survived the shooting at the tree of life synagogue. >> we did have the trial. we the did learn these facts from it that we wouldn't have known without the trial. he shot a lot lot of people. put him away for life and he would have been happy. >> reporter: now, in just a matter of hours we're actually expecting to see the formal sentencing process take place in the federal courthouse behind me
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i've come to believe that he knew well that he had lost the election. >> those former attorney general bill barr and his response when asked the former president really knew he lost the 2020 election. despite peddling repeated election fraud claims. in just hours trump is set to be arraigned in federal court in washington, d.c. after being indicted in his efforts to subvert the results of that election. joining us is fred upton one of the ten republicans who voted to impeach trump. to start with what bill barr said, do you think there's any way that the former president did not know that he lost the election? >> no, he must have known, i watched the interview last night with you all, you know you read the indictment and there's person after person from his campaign to others that said you
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lost, it's over, there's no evidence that's there. he did know but he continued the big lie. >> one of the things that it has been formulaic at this point where the president claims victimization, his supporters where there's almost -- inside the republican conference, claim victim victimization, claim weaponization. here's what bill barr said. >> i don't think there this is an issue of his victimizationer, i think he brought this on himself. this is one reason i oppose him as the candidate. undercut the cause he's supposed to be leading. >> the reason why that was striking was because so much of
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the last five, six years, and you know this having been a member of the house republican congress, republicans scrambling to find any way to defend this. they continue to do it. without fail. including after this third indictment. you were inside the conference. why? >> they don't like losing. they didn't like losing the white house. real difference when you got the administration, there's a big difference between having a administration that's part of your party than from opposition. picking, republicans picking on the democratic administration is fair game i'd guess you could say. they don't like it. you know, the other thing is trump has such a stranglehold on the voters at the grassroots level, i saw the polls you ran earlier, 70% believing trump that the election was stolen yet
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there's scant evidence that it would overturn any of those states particularly here in michigan, where it was 154,000 votes, trump had the speaker of the house, the speaker of the state senate in shortly after the election, prior to january 6th, saying you can't pass a resolution saying that the election was fraudulent and they said, mr. president, there's no such evidence that would overturn the election, yet he continued to say like he said in michigan, like he said in pennsylvania, more votes were cast than voters who were registered in those states. he said that a detroit and he said that about pennsylvania and his voters so much opposed to biden just drank the lemonade. >> you know, you talked about they don't like to lose, your party got wiped out in 2018, you lost the presidency in 2020, you massively underperformed in
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2022, that's the disconnect i don't understand in terms of republican lawmakers and public officials. >> yeah, well, they're scared of primary, here in michigan, we got wiped out, our secretary of state the a.g., the governor, the lieutenant governor, the democrats won by what, double digits here for the first time in 40 years the house and the senate flipped. they lost virtually everything. we're now in a minority in the delegation, seven democrats, six republicans. we were once 9, 6 before. the moderate votes, those that are sort of like i consider myself a reagan republican, we're really agast at what happened. but sadly as you know, they have a grip on the party. we see that here in michigan. literally every member of the republican delegation endorsed trump after the second
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indictment. even this week, you saw a bunch of republicans in ohio that endorsed trump. you see in florida, desantis where you'd think he would have a control over his own congressional delegation, all but two or three endorsed trump. texas, all of those things, he's got a grip on the party that's not going to get loose. i'm anxious to see the polls next week in terms what this latest indictment does as to his supporters knowing that a key member in 2016 trump lost iowa, i get all of trump's e-mails, 100,000 trump supporters that he wants to send to the call us early next week, he's up by 30, 40 points in some of these states and he's taking all the air out of the other guys can't get even a breath. >> i made this point earlier in
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the show, in terms of how republicans, how many actually believe donald trump won the 2020 election? what they say in the cloak room, behind the scenes, how many of your 200-plus members think that? >> i think in their heart they know that trump lost. but what they will tell manu and others in the press team, trump won, he has every reason to lash out, he has every reason to think that he won. we shouldn't deny him that opportunity. it's free speech. why aren't we going after biden in the same way? what will they tell you is different what they feel in their heart. almost three years later. >> amazing. appreciate the shout-out to manu who doesn't get to chase you around in the hallways anymore.
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former congressman fred upton. >> he can still find me. >> appreciate your time. thank you. to duck manu is a skill. >> he was a talented lawmaker at that. takes a special kind of talent. >> cnn this morning continues n now. the nation is bracing for the arrest and arraignment of a former president. again. >> this spire area we expect to be flooded with law enforcement as they await for the former president's arrival. >> it's real life. it's so important for us to follow through and make sure justice is done. >> if you can get away with this what kind of democracy are you going to have in. >> you knew well he had lost the election. the government asums the burden of proving that.
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>> you think jack smith has more. >> oh, yes. i believe he has a lot more. special counsel alleges that eastman was one of the architects behind trump's attempts to overturn the election. >> the president asked me to literally reject votes. if. >> you don't need john eastman to come out and tell the story. jack smith already has the story. >> military officials are claiming small advances in the southwestern country. >> the kremlin is claiming they're arming civilians in the border areas. >> moscow is waging a battle for a global catastrophe. >> a federal jury has decided that robert bowers has been sentenced to death. >> we must hold accountable those who wished to commit such terrible acts of hate an

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