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donald trump has another court date on the calendar after pleading not guilty for the third time in four months. is he going to use this trial to relitigate the 2020 election again? and a russian naval ship towed away, the results of what appears to be a strike from an unmanned sea drone overnight. sara is off, i'm kate bolduan with john berman and this is "cnn news central." ♪ all right. these are the numbers hot off the presses, 187,000, 187 k jobs added in july, that's according to the bureau of labor statistics. the unemployment rate ticked down to 3.5%. so these are the numbers, what

do they mean? standing with me here oh so naturally richard quest. you can answer the question. what does that mean? how big of a deal is that? >> it's important because if you are talking about a soft landing, according to one economist this morning, that is what a soft landing looks like. why? it is lower than expected, under 200,000. the revisions of the last two months, they are also lower, which suggests that employment growth is slowing. >> question for the professor, you're saying that's a good thing. this number came in below expectations, 187,000 instead of 200,000. the number of jobs out of the last two months revised downward, yet you were speaking as if people might be relieved by that. >> they should be relieved by t look, it's not a good scenario -- i mean, the point is the fed is pumping medicine into the economy to slow it down.

that is evidence that it's slowing down. now, what you don't want is for that to become a snowball going down and create an avalanche. you don't want to see an employment rising. you don't want to see job loss creation collapse. what you want to see, which is what you are seeing in these numbers, is a gradual decline in the number of jobs being created, which proves -- look, i know it's perverse that we're actually saying fewer jobs creation is good news, but that is the goal of the fed at the moment. they are aiming to slow the economy down to prevent a recession. >> and if they can do that without creating a whole bunch of pain, that is what you're saying is a good thing and that number right there, i know you don't -- that you don't like the jobs creation -- you like the jobs added number more than this, but 3.5% unemployment rate, that's low. that shows that a lot of people are working. >> i mean, i suspect, god help me that, that one would prefer

to see a slight uptick in unemployment because that would really show the economy is slowing down. what you don't want to see is a dramatic increase because that would show that there's a recession. this will it recession, will it rece recession, won't it recession, will it recession, the jury is slowly coming to the view that it will be more of a soft landing, but it's not unanimous yet, there are still those who do see a recession in q4. >> though this does show some resilience. with whatever the fed is doing -- >> absolutely. >> -- jobs are still being added. >> this is the difficulty of the fed. there is a natural robustness and resilience in the u.s. economy. let's take a look at these numbers, i find it quite interesting, actually. well, i find them interesting. and you see the way you go from 4 to 73, 248, 217, 217, 187, this is exactly what you want to see. this is exactly the idea of slowing down the economy, but

not turning it into an avalanche of collapse. >> and that's all positive, those are all positive numbers and it keeps on growing. richard quest, great to see. >> you thank you. >> a question for the professor from over on the hilltops. >> yes, ma'am. >> thank you. why is inflation still feel so high when we're going to the grocery store then? we're seeing this. this needs to start moving into the realm of inflation is getting back down to earth. >> a very good question. do not mistake falling prices for a falling rate of inflation. prices are still going up, they're just not going up as fast or as far, but you've already now -- look, you start from here, your prices rise to here, all that's happening is that they're not going up as fast, but you've still gained -- or are paying a lot more. you'll start to see an easing of prices, you won't see them coming down. >> okay. whatever he says.

that's what i would say when it comes to richard quest. thank you, gentlemen. let's go to the other headline we are focusing on. right now attorneys for former president donald trump are preparing for the next steps to fight the federal criminal charges that he now faces in trying to overturn the 2020 election. a judge has scheduled the next hearing for august 28th. at that point a trial date is expected to be set. this next court appearance is just five days after the first republican presidential primary debate. that wild timing, the wild timing of all of this underscores the historic nature of this case. trump was just in court to plead not guilty yesterday. today he's back on the campaign trail. he is taking his post arraignment message to republican voters in alabama. cnn's evan perez has more on this. back at it, evan. talk to me, what are the next steps for donald trump? walk us through what's next. >> reporter: well, kate, the judge who is overseeing this case who is going to be overseeing this case, judge

tanya chutkan has already set forth a very aggressive schedule. she has scheduled this hearing on august 28th and has already told the two sides that she wants them to provide breiefs i seven days laying out their plans for a trial. at that hearing on august 28th she is going to set a trial date and of course, you know, we know that it may not be final, but she obviously is planning to move this case along. this is absolutely a completely different picture from the one we saw in the southern district of florida, which, let's just say, has been a lot friendlier to the former president and his effort to try to keep these cases from going to trial before the 2024 election. in that case, you know, the judges there allowed walt nauta, one of the former president's co-defendants, to stretch out arraignment over a month. a month it took for him to be

arraigned. so these judges are not feeling that. they are seeing -- they are definitely trying to make sure that this case goes to trial before the 2024 election. and, of course, the former president's legal team already began pushing back in court yesterday, they pointed out the voluminous amount of discovery that they have yet to get, that this is a complicated case, that there is weighty matters obviously of constitutional importance that are going to be dealt with in this case. so they may yet get their wish. we'll see. but you can tell already that they are planning to make this about the 2020 election. they're going to relitigate some of this. you heard this from some of his legal team. listen to elena habba talking about this yesterday. >> the fact that i am standing here for the third time in five months is not a coincidence. this is the biden political law

fare that we have seen time and time again. it is a deflection from everything that they have done. this is election interference at its finest against the leading candidate right now for president. for either party. president trump is under siege in a way that we have never seen before. >> reporter: and of course the legal siege is really of his own making. you can see that in the court documents. so we will see how quickly we can get to this trial. kate, john? >> evan, thank you. all right. next step. >> next step is donald trump goes to alabama. >> oh, right, that's step two. >> he's going to hold a political rally tonight. one question is what kind of mood will he be in? sources tell cnn that trump was irked and, this is a quote, pissed off after his arraignment in part because the judge referred to him simply as mr. trump. cnn's alayna treene is near

trump's golf course in bedminster, new jersey. what are you hearing? >> reporter: right. good morning, john. donald trump is very frustrated, he's been concerned all week ever since knowing that this indictment was coming and of course learning of the charges being filed on tuesday. he has grown increasingly angry with each indictment that has come down the pike already and he's really frustrated that he's having to deal with this. i'm also told he's worried and angered that a lot of the money that both his campaign, but also mainly his outside political pac, save america, has been raising is being forced to be diverted to his legal team. that's something that he even talked about on truth social this morning. i have it right here. he says, crazy, my political opponent has hit me with a barrage of weak lawsts including da, ag and others, which require massive amounts of my time and money to adjudicate. resources that would have gone into ads and rallies will now have to be spent fighting these

radical left thugs in numerous courts throughout the country. he also said later in that post that he wants the supreme court to get involved in this. so this kind of gives you insight into what he's thinking about the morning that he's waking up following his arraignment yesterday, john. the other thing he was really angry as well leaving that court appearance. he was definitely pissed off and he was also kind of raging on the plane i was told as he was watching the news coverage of this come in. so even though publicly he still wants to sound defiant, you will hear him try to use that kind of rhetoric tonight, privately he is very angry about this, john. >> turns out three indictments can get you down. alayna treene in new jersey, thank you for that. joining us now for more on this cnn political commentator and political anchor for spectrum news, errol louis, former assistant special watergate prosecutor and former assistant u.s. attorney nick ackerman. thank you so much for being here. so we've got now a court date, we've got now a schedule of some

sort and we also now have donald trump and his legal team as we heard from what evan perez was playing a little bit of, they are not going to make this not just about 2024, this is about election interference for '24 but also the reporting is they are going to make it about the election in the past as well. errol, what is that going to mean? >> they are going to relitigate every piece of it, i think that is the exact words that one of donald trump's attorneys used. they are going to have to try to move something that did not happen and try to convince as much of their base as possible that that's what the next election is supposed to be about. >> how wise do you think that is politically? forget as a legal strategy but with an election going on if all he's talk being is 2020 how does that help or hurt him in 2024? >> doesn't help him at all. elections are always about the future. people don't care what you think happened two or three years ago, what they care about is what's going to happen at their family

tomorrow and improving the lives of their kids and community. to the extent donald trump wants to make this about relitigating an election that he lost, good luck. that will help him with the base, will help him probably win the nomination, it will be catastrophically bad when the general election comes around. >> dr. louis says it's bad politically, how about inside a courtroom as a legal strategy? >> as a legal strategy it's a nonstarter. the proof that donald trump lost the 2020 election is just overwhelming and the evidence here is not from some wild left wing radicals, it's from people who were close to donald trump, worked in the white house, including most importantly his vice president, pence, who is going to be a star witness in this case. his chief of staff, mark me meadows, who is likely to be a witness in this case. his legal counsel, in-house counsel at the white house are

going to be chief witnesses at this case. all of the witnesses here are going to be republicans who worked for donald trump or connected with donald trump. so this kind of strategy is going to get him zero points in the courtroom. >> this is howhe "washington post" put t as john pointed out this morning and highlighted this bit from the "washiton post," trump has said that he wanted to subpoena people about the 2020 election and argue that he won. as prosecutors allege that he knew he lost and that his claims were false according to people close to the former president who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe private conversations. if that's what they try in court, nick, what can the judge -- what can the judge do about this? how much can she step in? how much can she control? what can the judge do about it? >> well, i think it depends on who the witness is and what they're going to say. if they're going to get up there and just speculate without any

firsthand knowledge, which i don't see how he can ever get a witness to testify that he actually won with firsthand knowledge. that will be inadmissible evidence. you just can't put somebody up on a witness stand to regurgitate all of these conspiracy theories that donald trump has been perpetrating out to the public. it just doesn't work in a court of law. you've got to have a witness with real knowledge. >> so we're talking about the trump legal strategy one of his attorney john lauro who has been on tv quite a bit, he was on fox overnight and he had this to say about what trump was asking of mike pence. let's play some of that sound. >> ultimately what president trump said is let's go with option d, let's just halt, let's just pause the voting and allow the state legislatures to take one last look and make a determination as to whether or not the elections were handled

fairly. that's constitutional law. that's not an issue of criminal activity. >> so a lot of people look at this, errol, and say trump of trump's lawyer just said that trump ordered the code red, right? that's trump's lawyer saying, yeah, he asked mike pence to pause the whole election. the indictment says he asked mike pence to pause the election and he couldn't do that. >> that's what the whole case is about. yes, he basically acknowledged that what is in the indictment factually speaking is true. he's suggesting that it's okay or he's got a constitutional argument that he's going to make that somehow it was within the scope of the president's powers. that is a very risky strategy but frankly at least it lines up with the facts. it's not like this kind of speculative notion that they somehow won the election, at least now we're getting closer to the truth which is what a trial is supposed to generate. >> i guess so, but, nick, when you listen to what mike pence

also said on fox just this week from the campaign trail, he said, let's be clear, it wasn't that they asked for a pause, the president specifically asked me and his gaggle of crack pot lawyers asked me to literally reject votes. so? >> so that's a crime. i mean, there's no question about it. i mean, mike pence is going to be a significant witness in this case, if not the star witness, because everything that was done with these fake electors, setting up alternate votes, was all done on the assumption that donald trump could get mike pence to either throw out the real electors that voted for joe biden or that mike pence would send this back to the states where then they would try and get the state legislators to throw out the votes for joe biden. either way it's a crime. >> august 28, stand by. stand by.

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ukraine says one of their sea drones has hit a russian naval ship in the black sea. cnn has obtained this video we're showing you right here. it appears to show the unmanned drone approaching the ship. it plays out over the course of 30 seconds before the drone armed with explosives reportedly hits the ship. about 100 russian service

members were reportedly on board, however, russia's take on all of this is essentially nothing to see here. they say the attack was repelled, but another video does appear to show a ship listing to the side and then being towed back to port. cnn is unable, though, to conclusively verify the ship's identity. cnn's nick paton walsh has more from ukraine. >> reporter: as yet another sign of the vulnerability of parts of russia's military establishment that must have considered themselves frankly impression nabl. a black sea port where images show a ukrainian it seems over water drone approaching the boat where ukraine says potentially 100 russian personnel were at the time of an explosion by short a half a metric ton of tnt, a massive force of blast.

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back to you. >> nick paton walsh in ukraine. thank you. new this morning republican presidential candidate chris christie went to ukraine. he went with the ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy, he also visited bucha with the mayor there, you can see pictures of that right there. christie has supported the u.s. defense of ukraine. his trip comes on the heels of a new cnn report indicating the top u.s. and european officials are concerned about how russian president vladimir putin is factoring in the4 s. presidential election into his war plan. they believe putin is counting on donald trump to win and if not donald trump, another republican and he believes that would mean the u.s. would cut support for ukraine. cnn's kylie atwood is in washington with the latest on this. it's interesting that they are beginning to hear rumblings of vladimir putin being keenly interested in a u.s. election.

kylie, one might say again. >> reporter: that's right. we know president putin watches u.s. elections incredibly closely and u.s. officials are concerned that he's potentially watching them even more closely this go round, potentially factoring the 2024 presidential elections into his approach to the ukraine war, as you said, you know, banking on the possibility that if president biden loses and a republican takes over office, particularly president trump, that u.s. support for ukraine would be lessened and of course that would benefit putin. now, there isn't actually an intelligence assessment on president putin's mindset here but u.s. officials just believe that this is highly likely. european officials also believe it is highly likely. one source for the another told natasha bertrand putin knows trump will help him and so do the ukrainians and our european partners. so that's why everyone is thinking about this. i was also told by another u.s. official that there's no doubt

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for his day in court donald trump was surrounded by lawyers and loyalists, among them senior campaign adviser jason miller who worked for trump in 2016 and 2020. he is noted in the indictment as one of the people who cast doubt on trump's claims of voter fraud saying, quote, it's tough to own any of this when it's all just conspiracy, s word, beamed down from the mothership. boris epshteyn has been with trump since 2016, he was on the inaugural committee. in 2022 he admitted it was part of the effort to find fake electors. he has testified before the georgia special grand jury and was interviewed by the special counsel. susie wiles a big time florida political operator who helped get ron desantis elected is seen as trump's political strategist. she is a senior official that trump allegedly showed a

classified map to at his new jersey golf club. she has spoken to federal investigators several times. chris la savida the swift boats veteran group that attacked john kerry in 2024. finally steven chung was the director for the record director of communications for the ultimate fighting championship before he joined the trump campaign in 2016. kate? a man who was once part of trump's inter circle and his running mate and is now running against him and is also now a key witness in this third indictment, mike pence. he played a big role in the criminal case that is being built against his former boss, as we are now seeing in that indictment from his five-hour testimony to his own notes taken, those contemporaneous notes, the 45-page indictment laid out pence's efforts to stand up to trump's scheme to keep his seat in the oval office. joining me is mark short, a

former chief of staff to mike pence, he also, mark himself, testified before the grand jury which ended up handing down this indictment to donald trump. mark, thanks so much for being here. let me start with you, donald trump's first utterance after being arraigned yesterday was this, this is a persecution of a political opponent. is that how you see this indictment? >> well, kate, i think that for many of us i think we do have concerns that the department of justice has had a different standard for democrats and republicans, whether that's hillary or hunter or where they prosecute republicans, but having said that, i think two things can be true, you can believe there is a bias but also believe that everything that donald trump did around january 6th was absolutely wrong and that his pressure to ask the vice president to disregard his oath to the constitution is certainly a dereliction of the president's own duty. so i think you can have -- you can have the perspective that, yeah, we're concerned about bias at the department of justice,

but that doesn't mean that the president's actions on january 6th were any way justifiable or right. >> a couple weeks ago pence actually said to dana bash that he -- that the american people had lost confidence in the department of justice, and this is one of the things you are talking about right now. does mike pence, do you think, have confidence that the justice department can handle this case against donald trump? >> well, i think that he has said multiple times he had hoped it would not come to a prosecution. that in his mind it would be preferable for the american people to render judgment on donald trump and his actions on the date of january 6th, but, look, there's a lot of information still, kate, that even though the vice president was a central component of this, there's also a lot of information that we are not privy to that the prosecution has, because during the period from election day until january 6, to be honest, the vice president was leading the covid task force traveling the country trying to encourage states to open up. >> mark, i totally get it, but

just on this point, you say two things can be true at once, you can have concerns over bias in a department but this. when it comes to this case, should the american people have confidence in the department of justice -- have confidence in the department of justice handling this case against donald trump? >> i think it's important for the american people to have the facts and render a judgment for themselves about the president's actions on that day. i think it's tantamount to anyone who is a voter to have the question of do you want to have a president who disregards his oath to the constitution stand in the oval office? and i think that the vice president's concern as well is believing that since the -- their term in office has ended that donald trump has wavered on so many of the things that were accomplished from a conservative principle perspective, whether or not it's life, whether or not it's ukraine, whether or not it's fiscal responsibility. so that is the reason that he is looking to challenge him for the nomination. >> not getting an answer to the question if he has confidence in the justice department pulling through on this prosecution.

we're going to move on, though, because i do want to ask you this, john lauro, one of donald trump's -- real quick, though -- actually, let me not move on. why not answer that question? >> well, because -- >> are you and or mike pence going to -- going to accept the outcome of this criminal case? if you don't have confidence in the justice department -- >> i think that's -- that's a very different question, kate. i mean, look, we testified both under subpoena and it doesn't mean that necessarily there's a sense that the department of justice is unbiased in this, but at the same time does it mean that they can have a trial in front of donald trump's peers in washington, d.c. and render a judgment on him? perhaps they probably can, kate. >> okay. >> that doesn't mean we're going to sit here and absolve the department of justice for concerns we think we have based on what we've seen in the last, you know, several years about who they choose to prosecute and who they don't. >> i was not asking for that, just asking for that clarification.

john lauro is one of donald trump's now attorneys, he was on fox news last night and i want to play for you what he says that donald trump was asking mike pence to do about the election and the electoral votes. listen. >> ultimately what president trump said is let's go with option d, let's just halt, let's just pause the voting and allow the state legislatures to take one last look and make a determination as to -- as to whether or not the elections were handled fairly. that's constitutional law. that's not an issue of criminal activity. >> is that what happened? >> it's a very disingenuous summation of what happened, kate, because the reality was that after the electoral college met on december 14th and confirm joe biden as the victor, then the pressure campaign turned to mike pence. and throughout that the effort all along was to say just reject the states in question, simply

dismiss them out of hand. the prosecution has notes from senior advisers to the president who said eventually, look, it's clear that pence won't go along with this, so perhaps we can pivot to this other idea which is we can just push a delay and ask them to return t there's no constitutional basis for the vice president to have authority to unilaterally choose which states to send back. and obviously we wouldn't want kamala harris if a republican won a state in nevada or wisconsin to send back to democrats state legislatures. so it's absurd on its face, but what's really important here is that was not the pressure campaign. the pressure campaign was to reject them out of hand. that was a last-minute pivot that sounds better from a pr perspective, kate, but the push was to say if there's a delay, then what we're forced constitutionally to do is turn this over to the house of representatives to choose. and the theory was then that the house of representatives, each state would get one vote and there were 26 delegations controlled by republicans and 24 by democrats. so the purpose was the same, but

to illustrate the stupidity even of that is this notion that keep in mind in that point in wisconsin there's one house republican. so that one house republican liz cheney was not going to vote for donald trump to be the president. even you follow that through it didn't make sense, but it was also -- the purpose of it all along was really -- it was really to say -- have pence just reject them out of hand. this has become a pr move to say all we were trying to do was get him to send it back to the states. there is no process for doing that and a the purpose all along was to say that would push it back to the house of representatives. >> i need to ask you obviously one central question in this case is did donald trump know the claims of fraud that he was pushing were lies. did he know that he legitimately lost the election? do you think he did? >> i know that his campaign gave him briefings that went through what the returns were and explained to him where there were examples of fraud that they were insignificant and would not

have made a material difference to the election. whether or not he believed what his campaign told him or whether he chose to believe what some of the crazy lawyers were advising him, i don't know his state of mind, kate, to make a summation on that, but i do know he was certainly briefed about it. >> nearly 70% of republicans in the new cnn poll still believe that joe biden did not legitimately win the 2020 election. whose fault is that? >> well, i'd say that that's probably something that, kate, has been building for unfortunately a couple decades of people losing confidence in the elections. i mean, something that i think has gotten less scrutiny is the fact that the last three times that republicans have won presidential elections, democrats have stood up in congress to object to those results and object to the certification. >> oh, come on, mark, don't do this. >> kate, it never resulted -- >> 70% of -- >> but this has -- kate, no.

the undermining of the confidence has been happening on both sides of the aisle, kate. nothing happened as serious as january 6th before. as i said, donald trump was absolutely wrong on that. but unfortunately there have been forces on both sides of the aisle pushing lack of confidence in our election results for a while. >> i'm surprised on that one. mark short, thanks for coming on. >> kate, thanks for having me. >> john? today experts will reenact the deadly 2018 mass shooting at the marjory stoneman douglas high school in florida with live gunfire. why? ist taking photos that are analyzed by ai. so researchers can help life undederwater flourish. ♪ i'm jayson. i'm living with hiv and i'm on cabenuva. it helps keep me undetectable. for adults who are undetectable, cabenuva is the only cplete, long-acting hiv treatment you can get every other month.

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to ring out again at marjory stoneman douglas high school in florida in a reenactment of the parkland school shooting that killed 17 people on valentine's day in 2018. this is part of a civil lawsuit against scott peterson the former school resource officer who retreated outside for nearly an hour during the massacre. he was found not guilty of criminal charges in june. carlos suarez joins us live from parkland in florida. carlos, some families actually want this reenactment. why? >> reporter: that's exactly right, john. some of the family members believe that the reenactment will prove that there's no way that former school resource officer scott peterson did not know where the gunfire was coming from the day of the shooting. as you mentioned back in june, peterson was found not guilty on the criminal charges of his inactions the day of the massacre. this after prosecutors

successfully argued during his trial that peterson took cover outside of the 1200 building because he thought that there was more -- there was more than one gunman at the school and that he did not know where the shooting was taking place. now, earlier this morning nine members of congress, democrats and republicans, they toured the 1200 building. they got a look at the three floors here at marjory stoneman douglas where the 17 students and staff members were killed and 17 others were wounded in the school shooting. we're told that that tour just wrapped up a few minutes ago. now, some of the family members were in washington, d.c. last week lobbying some of these very same lawmakers on a school safety piece of legislation. they're trying to get more funding for mental health services, as well as school resource officers. now, max schachter one of the parkland parents, his son alex was killed in the shooting: he

talked to cnn about the congressional visit and the reenactment as well. here is what he told us. >> if we don't use this building to teach others and to educate and use it to prevent the next tragedy, you know, it's -- it's all for naught. every member of congress before they put their hand on the bible, every school board member, every sheriff should walk through this building and understand what happens if you don't prioritize safety above education. because you cannot teach dead kids. >> reporter: >> reporter: and so we are told that the reenactment will be under way in about an hour, and all of the ammunition will be fired and the reenactment is going to be recorded with video and audio and used in the civil

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