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ukraine is taking its counteroffensive right to the russian navy. new video appears to show a ukrainian drone on a russian warship, and it comes as the u.s. and european officials are worrying the kremlin is dragging out the war, waiting to see if they get a more favorable u.s. president in the 2024 election. cnn's new reporting is just ahead. plus, a significant development in the gilgo beach serial killings investigation. police say they've identified a woman whose remains were discovered nearly three decades ago. could she be another victim of rex heuermann? plus, the goat is back. when you can see simone biles' next competition, her first
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since the tokyo olympics. we're following these major olympic stories and many more, all coming in here to "cnn news central". new evidence ukraine is growing its capability to strike russian targets them video obtained by cnn appears to show a ukrainian unmanned sea drone, camera right on top there, approaching a russian landing ship at a russian naval base. you see the drone creep closer and closer. the screen goes black. that's likely the moment it hit the ship and exploded. you can see here later video of that russian ship being towed near that naval base. and it is listing notably to the left-hand side. cnn's nick paton walsh is live in zaporizhzhia, ukraine. tell us what are ukrainian officials saying about this? and is russia acknowledging a
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ukrainian strike on one of its ships here? >> reporter: yeah, russia is suggesting the attack was repelled, but russian bloggers are talk about how one compartment of the amphibious assault ship was indeed flooded by this blast. another analyst calling this attack by ukraine a quantum leap. as you've heard before when it comes to ukraine attacking mainland russia itself there's a fw bid to make this more opaque, with ukrainian officials saying this is the result of an unidentified floating object. a bid to make a pun. a ukrainian security official said yes, this was the ukrainian security services and yes, they hit a large naval ship, suggesting perhaps as many as 100 russian personnel could have been on board when this happened, and significant damage would have been caused by just short of a half of metric ton of tnt driving into this ship.
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the reason why this is possibly quite extraordinary is this is on the other side of the black sea, and apart, frankly of those waters, the kremlin must have thought months ago, literally were completely inaccessible to ukrainian attack -- drones, missiles, or anything, frankly. so we see this after the attacks on moscow's glass towers in the city district. months ago, the attacks on the kremlin itself as a real suggestion that moscow's own territory is certainly reachable by increasingly ingenius ukrainian devices. jim? >> we see reports of an attempt at a drone attack on an oil storage facility in crimea. do you notice as the attacks are playing out more and more on russian territory or russian occupied territory in ukraine that that is deliberate, as ukraine's ground counteroffensive has stalled? >> reporter: yeah, there's two things here -- i think there is
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the bid certainly by ukraine to psychologically hit at russia by hitting, you know, moscow itself, yes, but also naval ports like this and must have thought they were not an option for ukraine. that is probably a bid to grab headlines, as you say, because on the ground here, the counteroffensive particularly in the out isouth is proving a lot harder, slower, more brutal than optimistic analysts thought might be the case. but the bid to hit an oil depot, that is part of a growing bid by ukraine to go after infrastructure, bridges, railroads, fuel depot's vital. supplies lessens, infrastructure damaged might impact russia's ability to hold the front lines. >> looking at the video, the ship does not list that heavily to one side unless it was a significant strike. nick paton walsh in zaporizhzhia, ukraine, thanks so much. boris?
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the 2024 presidential election could have major implications on russia's war. sources tell cnn that top western officials are concerned that vladimir putin will not change course in ukraine until after the election in this country because he wants to see if donald trump beats joe biden and possibly cuts off crucial aid to ukraine. cnn's kevin libtack is traveling with the president in wilmington, delaware, where biden and the first lady are spending the weekend. this is your reporting. walk us through details. >> reporter: we know that vladimir putin watches u.s. elections very closely, and the concern that we're hearing from american officials, european officials, is that he's watching this election even more closely and in fact he's factoring it into his plans for ukraine. of course we know that president trump, former president trump has been very explicit. he has not said whether he supports ukraine in this conflict, and he has in fact
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said he could resolve the conflict in 24 hours. the concern among americans officials is that that could incentivize president putin to drag this war out for even longer, try to maintain this fighting until next year's election. we should be clear -- this isn't a formal u.s. intelligence assess .and u.s. officials have been clear in the past that it is difficult to ascertain vladimir putin's mind set. but they do really believe this is factoring into the conflict and factoring into the kremlin's war plans. i want to read you something that a source said. putin knows trump will help him and so do the ukrainians and our partners, so even though we haven't seen anything explicitly to that effect, you have so assume everyone is thinking it. the question is whether russia is able to maintain the fighting for the next 15 months. we have seen russia falter on the battlefield over the course of this conflict.
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but what this does is put pressure on the ukrainians to make gains in their counteroffensive, to try and hold out for the next several months to show the russians that they are serious on the battlefield and to show the americans that they can make these gains going forward, boris. >> kevin, notably this comes as polling indicates a majority of americans are opposed to congress sending more financial aid to ukraine. important reporting. thank you so much. brianna? jailed opposition leader and putin critic alexei navalny was sentenced to an additional 19 years in a russian prison today, but he was not shocked by that, telling supporters it is clear he is now serving a life sentence. he goes on to write, the number for verdict is not me, it's for you. they want to frighten and deprive me of the will to exist. you are being forced to surrender your russia without a fight to a gang of traitors and
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scoundrels who have seized power. joined now by steve hall, the former cia chief of russia operations. steve, what is the message that vladimir putin is sending with this sentence? >> brianna, i think there's two messages -- the overt and obvious message, which is if you want to go against the kremlin and you live inside russiaing you want to be a dissident like russia was and is, that it's not going to end well for you. you're going to end up spending a long period of time in a prison, and you may indeed spend effectively a life sentence, because people have a tendency to have lesser life expectancies inside russian prison. the second message is interesting as well, and it's not one i think putin wants to send overtally. it shows how concerned and worried he is especially when navalny and others decide to be
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dissidents when things are going poorly in the ukrainian war and at a time when ukrainians are attacking moscow and destroying buildings and warships on the far side of the black sea. this shows the level of concern, i think, that is rising inside the kremlin. >> speaking of that attack on a russian naval ship in a russian port, what is the impact of that attack? another psychological move against moscow by ukraine? >> yeah, i think that's exactly right. these attacks that we're seeing, these drone attacks for example, when they hit some of the big shiny buildings in moscow, many of which are actually empty, but not all of them, that has a psychological impact. if you're a normal russian living in moscow where the war hasn't touched you and all of a sudden you see emergency vehicles and buildings going up in flames, that's psychological impact. i'm not sure how much military impact that has, but it certainly has a psychological one, as does attacks on, like, the ships that you see in the
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black sea and other locations. these drone attacks i think are primarily psychological, but that's an important part of the war. the real fighting is going on on the ground as the ukrainians continue to try to push forward against dug in russian defense's. but the psychological piece is incredibly important. that's something putin understands because of his background. >> are you worried about escalation here at all? >> it depends what we mean by escalation. normally when we talk about escalation in the west here, we're referring to things like, what if russia tries to make it a broader war against nato? what about the use of nuclear weapons? i'm not terribly concerned about that. you can't be flip and say, that's never going to happen. but right now, putin has his hands full just dealing with the ukrainians. it's difficult for me to understand why he would say, hey, i've got this war going on in my region that i'm struggling with. let's make it a bigger one against more and better armed opponents.
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so i don't think that's going to happen. >> there's a new poll from cnn today showing the majority of americans oppose more u.s. aid for ukraine in the war with russia. at the same time there's this thinking that vladimir putin is looking to outlast the '24 election. what do you think about how that may affect the war? >> yeah, it's an interesting situation. i think first and foremost people should remember that first and foremost in vladimir putin's mind is winning this war in ukraine. he's certainly got his hands full and he's got all of his attention focused on that. but by the same token, it doesn't hurt him, and it might indeed, you know, provide him some hope when he sees that donald trump, who he knows is somebody he can work with, because he did previously -- he knows that trump is essentially anti-nato, has spoken negatively about nato in the past, which has been a key part of making sure the ukrainians are succesuc successful. is donald trump is a much better
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president for vladimir putin than really anybody else at this point some to hear that donald trump is not out of it despite his legal issues is a real shot in the arm for putin because he knows he can rely on donald trump if he becomes president. >> he's made his preference clear before. certainly it hasn't changed. steve, great to have you. thank you so much. jim? ahead this hour on "cnn news central", is she yet another victim of accused serial killer rex heuermann in for the first time detectives put a real name to a jane doe's remains found decades ago on gilgo beach. plus, six law enforcement officers pleaded guilty after torturing two black men. >> i crawl to this spot and they started beating me here and tasing me. you can see blood spots and all. >> the sheriff is now reacting. he says he is embarrassed. and after stepping away from
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have you seen me scramble? she was known only as fire island jane doe, one of the gilgo beach murder victims. but now we know her real identity. new york officials say she is karen vergata, a 34-year-old whose remains were among a dozen sets along the ocean park wei on the south shore of long island. she went missing in february 1996. two months later her feet and legs were found along fire island. 15 years later her skull was discovered in nassau county. jean joins us now with more details. jean, a case that remained a mystery for more than three decades. tell us what we know about this victim and potential ties to this case. >> reporter: we know that she was a new york city resident.
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she lived on 45th street right here in new york city. we know that her remains were found on the long island area. but the time line of this really shows the length of this, but also the advent of science. it was february 1996 that she went missing. it was in april of 1996 that there on fire island they found her arms -- her legs and her feet. so they found that part of her. obviously someone had been dismembered. they had no idea who this was. then in 2011, as you said, 15 years later, they found a skull in the gilgo beach area. and they were able, in 2011, to discern that the dna from the extremities and the dna of the skull were from the same person. now let's go to 2022, last fall, the brand-new investigators for
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the murders unsolved on that area. take a listen to earlier the suffolk county district attorney. >> reporter: a dna profile suitable for comparison was developed from the remains of karen vergata. in september 2022, the fbi was able, via a genetic genealogy review to identify ms. vergata as presumptivively, fire island jane doe. there after in 2022, using a swap from a relative of karen vergata, we were able to definitively identify her. >> reporter: the district attorney is not at all discussing this brand new victim, karen vergata, with rex heuermann, at all. it appears as though it's a separate investigation. but jirj here's what's
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interesting. obviously there was a dismemberment here, and there were 11 others in that area. three of them have been charged to rex heuermann, but there were many dismembered and their parts were found in various areas of long island, of the beaches. and so there is a similarity right there. so, do you have two alleged serial killers going on? this is far from over. >> more the possibility of a change in methods. we discussed that with brianna a couple hours ago. horrendous for the family to learn the details. jean, thanks so much. brianna? next, six white police officers pleaded guilty of torturing two black men in mississippi for nearly two hours. we are hearing from the victims. plus, a reenactment of the massacre at marjory stoneman douglas high school is under way. we're going to take you live to parkland to tell you the reason why next. thing go right ♪ ♪ it takes two to make it outta sight ♪ ♪ one, two, get loose now ♪
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the haunting sound of gunfire is returning to parkland, florida. ballistic experts firing about 140 live rounds of ammunition at marjory stoneman douglas high school in a reenactment of the 2018 massacre that killed 17 students and faculty members. this is part of the civil lawsuit against scott pederson, the former school resource officer who remained outside for
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nearly an hour during the rampage. he was found not guilty of criminal charges back in june. cnn's carla suarez is joining us now from. carlos, walk us through what has unfolded there today. >> reporter: well, brianna, we know the reenactment is still taking place at this hour. earlier we heard sounds that resembled gunfire coming from the building where this shooting happened. now, the families of the victims believe that this reenactment is going to show that there's no way former school resource officer scott peterson did not know where these gunshots were coming from on the day of the shooting back in 2018. we're told that at least 140 rounds of live ammunition will be fired here today. now, back? june, peterson was found not guilty on criminal charges for his inaction the day of the shooting after his attorneys
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argued that peterson did not go inside of the 1200 building because he thought there was more than one shooter and did not know exactly where the sound of gunfire was coming from. now, before the reenactment got under way earlier today, nine members of congress, democrats and republicans, they toured the 1200 building along side some of the family members. they all got a look at the three floors where the 17 students and staff members were killed and 17 others were hurt in that shooting in 2018. now, after that tour, the lawmakers met with several of the family members to discuss school safety improvements, including a piece of a school safety legislation as well as securing ing additional funding mental health services and school resource officers. here now is south florida congresswoman jared moscowits.
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here's what he told us. >> there's nothing more powerful than visualizing what happened in that building. and i'm hoping that it breaks the walls down and we figure out where we can mitigate what's happening in schools and communities work an understanding that there's still going to be disagreements and still going to be things that i want done that, you know, they won't do and there's things that they want done that i won't do. but that should not impact us from the things we know we should be doing for families and parents and for teachers. >> reporter: and so the reenactment, we expect, will take a few more hours to finish up outside here marnlry stoneman douglas campus in florida.
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we're told the entire reenactment is being recorded as part of a civil lawsuit by the family members against scott peterson and others, including the broward sheriff's office. >> carlos, thank you for that live report. boris? in mississippi, the sheriff of rankin county says he is ashamed after five of his former deputies pleaded guilty to torturing two black men. the deputies and a police officer from richland are all white and some refer to themselves as the goon squad. they were accused of torturing two black men for nearly two hours and then shooting one of them in the mouth in a mock execution. in the sheriff's own words, this is why people don't trust the police. cnn's nick valencia has been following the story for us. nick, some of the details of this story are just brutal. >> reporter: the details aren't lost on us that this happened in the wake of tyree nichols when
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the nation's attention was gripped by police excessive force, and these deputies accused of doing some of the worst things we've heard of, repeatedly beating and torturing two black men with the intention of getting away by covering it up. they say it wasn't just organized it was premed dated and done so under the band banner of law. accord to the complaint, these men had a name for themselves, the goon squad, because of their willingness to use excessive force. listen to one of the victims describe what we went through earlier this year. >> i crawl to this spot, and they started beating me here, tasing me. you see blood spots and all. my blood spots there. justice is what it all boils down to. i'm just like they are, whether they're in uniform or not. >> reporter: this is shocking to so many people, including the attorney general in mississippi.
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this is a statement i want to read in part, which says, this brutal attack caused morthan physical harm to these two individual victims. it severed vital trust with people them abuse of power will not be tolerated. the individual who is pleaded guilty are facing varying sentences, but some, boris, could face life in prison if they' sentenced that way in november. >> we do want to share a programming note with you. the two victims in this case are going to join cnn chief legal analyst lawyer are coates tonight in the 10:00 p.m. hour. you do not want to miss that. jim? first ever pill for postpartum depression is now up for fda approval, and it could help improve symptoms in as little as a few days. what you need to know. that's coming up. my most important kitchen tool?
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we're following breaking news just in to cnn. former president donald trump has just pleaded not guilty to new federal charges special counsel jack smith brought last week in the classified documents case, of course separate from the january 6th case. cnn's senior crime and justice correspondent caitlin pollance joining us. in this case he had his lawyers file them from afar? >> right, jim. this is a straight forward, one page filed in court today, and
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it's in response to what's called a superseding indictment, so rewritten expanded set of charges in the southern district of florida in the mar-a-lago documents case. the charges were originally accusing him of obtaining national defense secrets and hiding them from the government. he was reindicted on that last week. and whenever you are reindicted you have to be arraigned. you have to enter your pleading. that's what this is. this document came in today to the court. i received a copy to have the indictment. the plea is not guilty to the charged offenses. it's quite clearly signed by donald trump in his notable, really thick sharpie signature there. and really it's not even 24 hours since he pleaded guilty in federal court in the january 6th case. so, jim, just a staggering number of moving parts in these two federal criminal cases that donald trump is facing now.
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at the same time there's going to be lot of court filings going forward. but really notable just as a moment in history to have a former president pleading not guilty twice just days after one another after he was indicted again last week and indicted in the january 6th case on tuesday. >> so, with a super seed -- he already pled not guilty to the original classified documents case, so this one you could do with a piece of paper. presumably if there's an indictment in the fulton county case, he would have the show up again. >> right, first time you're in front of the judge you go in in person. it looks bad if you don't go in person in front of the judge. this case, he's not going to have to go in every time there's an appearance on the calendar. he was supposed to be arraigned in this case in the southern district of florida next week. what this means is donald trump doesn't physically have to be present there even though his
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lawyers could be present there. >> two not guilty pleas, 24 hours. thank you very much. brianna. jailed opposition leader alexei navalny has just been sentenced to an additional 19 years in prison for a, quote, extremist community. he was already serving time in prison, but he just issued a statement saying he's accepted he'll be serving a life sentence and the numbers are merely to intimidate others from standing up to vladimir putin, the length of the sentence that is. biana, do you think, to alexei navalny's point here, this sentence is going to have a chilling effect for putin critics? >> we're already hearing from some prominent critics. some sitting behind bars. opposition leaders. one has been a close aide and ally of navalny's for years
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issued this statement -- it's putin's decision. he revels in his revenge. karamuza has also been retweeting posts in support of navalny. and navalny as you noted tweeted a statement. i reached out to his team to ask if there was anything additional. they said, no, reiterate what he wrote. the sentence is for you, notor me you're being frightened of the will to exist. losing russia toe gang of traitors, thooefs and scoundrels. putin must not get his goal. resist. what's notable is his team today, of all days, decided to open up a new youtube channel -- they have a very popular youtube channel in russia with some 6 million subscribers. they launched a new one in english, and i aed his team, why do it today?
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what message are they sending? thiss the quote i got. he said, navalny's fights not only a fight for rsia. what happens in russia is important for global stability in more way an one. what we painfully learned is our te makes the effort to increase national publicity for navalny's situation and our struggle, hence the english language youtube channel. brianna, it was also notable that despite everything, his ailments, his illnesses, his treatment and the amount of shocking weight loss we've seen in alexei navalny, they can take a lot away from him. they can't take away his wit and his ability to still find reason for smiles and humor and even in the video we saw today, he did just. that he was joking with his attorneys and smiling with them in what is a very somber, somber day. another 20-year sentence for the man. >> yeah, we saw humanity in that as he was shaking hands with people and you couldn't ignore
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that. we'll be looking forward to the program in just under 20 minutes. thank you. boris. there's new hope for moms experiencing postpartum depression. today the fda is expected to decide whether to approve a new med weigh to treat the condition. the daily pill is taken over the course of two weeks and, if approved it would be the first of its kind in the united states. jacqueline howard joins us now with more. jacqueline, you're waiting for this decision from the fda to be announced. how is this drug different from other anti-depressants? >> what appears to stand out in clinical trials, it appeared to work very quickly. in one trial, this was among about 196 women with severe postpartum depression. half of them were given it, the other half, the placebo. those given the drug, 57% a them said they saw huge improvements
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in their symptoms. among 70% or more. also those women started to notice improvements within just three days. and that three-day window, boris, is what stands out in comparison with other commonly used anti-depressants. if the fda today does decide to approve this drug, it will be the first drug specifically indicated for postpartum depression that's administered as an oral pill. so that's why this is really getting a lot of attention, and we'll have to wait and see what the fda does decide, boris. >> jacqueline, were there any side effects with this drug? >> there were. some women said they experienced a lot of drowsiness, some had dizziness, but no severe adverse reactions to the drug. if it does get improved, the next question will be, how much does it cost? we know that among women, about 1 in 7 experienced postpartum depression after giving birth, so this is a large population
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that could potentially benefit from this other option as a treatment so. that price tag will definitely be an important conversation to have. >> jacqueline howard, thanks so much for the report here. brianna? coming up, the both is back. when you can see simone biles' next performance, her first time since the olympics. you could save $700 dollars just by switching. ooooh, let me put a reminder on my phone. on the topop of the pile! oh. only pay for what yoyou need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ hi, i'm ben, and i've lost 60 pounds on golo. i currently suffer from nerve damage which kept me bedridden for six months. i was very overweight and depressed. i was skeptical when i first ordered golo,
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olympics because of a spatial affliction known as the twisys. joining us now, cnn analyst and sport columnist for usa today. it's been almost two year since we saw simone biles in competition. what are you going to be watching for? >> absolutely. see how fresh she is, see if she's got the twisties. that's the mental block where she said she couldn't see the difference between the ceiling and floor. it becomes dangerous. that was the problem two years ago when she withdrew from the olympic games, and then came back and very heroically won the bronze medal with a watered down program. she's probably the only one on earth who can win a bronze with a watered down program. she's 26. she'll be 27 for the paris olympics. we'll be looking to see how fresh she looks, how sharp she looks.
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i fully suspect she'll do well enough to move on to the u.s. nationals, and then we'll have perhaps later in the fall the world championships gearing up for paris next year. >> yeah, and this is apparently video of her arriving. there was video of her practicing before. she does look pretty fresh so we're hoping for a big performance. also going to be watching the potential for another big comeback. the united states women's soccer team at the world cup right now. a draw last time they played but now they're going up against the team they have had trouble with in the past. >> absolutely, sweden, old nemesis sweden knocked the u.s. out of the olympics in 2016, boris. the only time the u.s. women at the olympics or the worlds have not been in the top three. amazing. going all the way back to the '90s. so sweden is with one that did that. will sweden be the one that does it here? this is the round of 16. there's no medals awarded if you lose here. i think the u.s. needs to play so much better. many people watching have been throwing things at their tv
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sets -- what's wrong with the united states? why don't they look cohesive? where's the emotion? where's the energy? where's the leadership? u.s. has had almost a week now, five, six days, to get ready for this game. they know sweden well. they can be faster than sweden some watch it if they put the right peep in. the speed for the u.s. might be there. but they have to get right off the bat they have to hit the ground running in a way they just have not so far in this tournament. >> we should point out, they're trying to do something unpre unprecedented, the three-peat at the world cup. >> that's right new york men or women's team won three in a row. u.s. won four. this would be five. the world has caught up. morocco makes it through, germany goes home, canada goes home. we're seeing the world invest in women's sports. this is the way the world is going to be from now on in women's sports, and it's a
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wonderful thing, even if the u.s. has more competition. >> competition is a wonderful thing. hope the u.s. moves forward. great to see you. >> thanks so much. >> brianna? mental health experts published several studies this year about how danieling social media can be for children and teens. what about shutting down their access all together? how two hgtv stars are stepping in to help with ideas. but first, the oceans unprecedented temperatures devastated coral reefs, without them, nothing is here. simply put, they are what it is that brings the eco-system together. sadly i've watched us lose that coral reef and the disappearance of that diverse marine
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as schools open across the country, many parents grapple with the tough question, what is the right age for their children to use social media? research has shown that the links between these apps and potentially harmful effects. but that won't stop kids from asking to use them. just ask any parent. well now a new group is aiming to support parents who just want to say no to their children using these social media apps. this is initiative called osprey which stands for old school parents reengaging youth. ♪ and joining us now are aaron
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and ben nappier who launched this week with their friends. they host the home town shows on hgtv and a note that hgtv and cnn are owned by warner brother's discovery. welcome to both of you. i'm so glad to have you on the program to talk about something on the minds of so many parents. erin, i think a lot of parents agree with this concept but it is a tricky one to implement. so what is the pitch here as you were hoping to make this more prevalent? >> thank you so much for having us on first of all. >> yeah. >> so, osprey is a grassroots initiative that is elementary age kids and their families fostering social lives without social media. i think that is really key to what we hope our movement becomes. is that it starts in elementary school, before our kids have exposure to devices or have any
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need for them. >> which is something that we've called a lot of criticism about because we don't have teenagers yet and all of that. >> that is the point. you have to begin now. because thumbs become ubiquitous in about 5th grade. 80% of kids who are 10 years old have a smartphone. if you begin when your children are in kindergarten through 5th grade, and you start finding other families who have this same plan and belief in your kids could rely on each other, then they have social lives without social media. that is the goal. >> and the whole point of osprey and building your nest is that it eliminates the discussion of oh, well i'm the only kid that doesn't have it. no, you're not. we know for a fact that your friends don't have it. >> none of your friends have it. >> to your point, ben -- and to your point, it is such an interesting point. because it is so much easier to set the expectation going on
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than to pull back on the social media once you're already in it. i think any parent could agree with that. your promo talks about kids living their best lives, which i think we all want for their kids and you did another video with a friend's daughter taking part in the no social media pledge. i want to take a look at this. >> what are you going to do when your teenager and your not glued to your phone on social media all of the time? >> you could be shopping. you could be -- >> we did not say this. >> maybe the best life isn't shopping. that is an expensive habit. how do you sell this, you guys? and we have about one minute left. how do you sell this to kids? >> i think that with kids, they're going to do -- if you let them have social media, sure, they're going to -- we all struggle with it. it is not just a kid problem. it is a human problem. and so i think with kids, it is easy. you just -- >> they fit in.
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they want to fit in. >> think about when we were growing up, we didn't have them and we loved it. life was amazing and we were happy and we didn't miss them. >> so we could build communities of kids who are all doing this together and they could do it all the way through high school graduation. they're going to be so ep enriched. >> you need your battle buddy in this and that is key here. ben and erin, i think this will resonate with parents looking for an alternative. thank you so much for being with us today. >> thank you for having us. >> thank you. and "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. ♪ calling on the supreme court. "the lead" starts right now. former president donald trump is asking the supreme court to help fight his legal battles. he claims cases against him are quote, election interference. the same thing he'
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