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for the first time in two years simone biles, the most decorated gymnast of all time is getting back on the floor, bob costas joins us to talk about the abuse she and others suffered, and how she's coming back. good evening, i'm pamela brown here for anderson on this friday night. and we begin with the former president, expected to speak shortly in alabama. already today he has posted a threat on his social network, which doesn't bear showing, but reads in all caps, quote, if you go after me i'm coming after you, exclamation point. earlier today in a court filing he pleaded not guilty to the additional charges special counsel jack smith recently tacked onto the document's case, and in case you're keeping track that's twice in two days, and four times since april. as for yesterday's election-related charges, there is new polling out today showing nearly two-thirds of americans believe those charges are either somewhat or very serious. yet, somehow, some of the very people who would directly benefit from his downfall, his

republican opponents, again today rushing to defend him. south carolina senator tim scott accused the justice department of weaponizing their power against donald trump. florida governor ron desantis, who mr. trump has viciously mocked, even suggested he should be pardoned. >> i've said for many weeks now i don't think it's in the best interest of the country to have a former president that's almost 80 years old go to prison, and just like nixon or ford pardoned nixon, you know, sometimes you've got to put this stuff behind you. >> cnn's kristen holmes starts us off tonight from montgomery, alabama, where the president will speak shortly. what do we know about the president's state of mind heading into his speech tonight. >> reporter: this is exactly where he wants to be, in front of a crowd of adoring fans, there are thousands of people here, we're in the southern state of alabama. and just to give you an idea who is here, we just heard from the producers of 2,000 mules, the

movie that perpetuated the conspiracy theories around the 2020 election and alleged widespread election fraud. so that's the kind of group of people he'll be speaking in front of tonight. now, i am told that he is going to rail against jack smith, that he's going to say that his first day in office he's going to appoint his own special prosecutor to continue the investigation into biden's family, that congress has already started, as well as that he's going to say that they waited, they being liberals, of course as we know he's making these legal charges political, until his poll numbers were higher, and that's why they brought the charges at this time. the biggest argument that we're going to hear from trump and his team is going to be this election interference. when i talked to a lot of his advisers they really believe as

the campaign ramps up that they're going to have footing with this argument particularly if he remains the front runner. they're looking at that polling that shows that he is still leading, especially in head to head match up with ron desantis, they believe there's an argument to be made there that this is political. but, of course, they want to play this out in the court of public opinion. they want to convince voters, not necessarily talking here about their legal strategy, pamela. >> and have the former president's aides said anything about the schedule? how do they plan to build his campaign schedule around three looming trials, one state, and two federal? >> reporter: well, i think that's the big question here because it's going to become harder and harder to balance. we are looking at just a few weeks before the first gop primary debate, and trump's team is expecting, and bracing for a potential other indictment in fulton county, georgia. you're looking at becoming a back and forth, back and forth. almost like we we're seeing now. in court yesterday, today campaign event, tomorrow campaign event. that's why they believe this could potentially help them delay some of these trials by saying this is actually interfering with us being able to campaign. and in fact, when they believe he might be arraigned for this last indictment last friday when

they had a campaign event, they were looking at ways to spin that, to talk about how he was going to be arraigned on the same day that he had a campaign event and what that would mean. of course, that didn't end up happening. he was arraigned on a thursday, but just gives you insight here how they're looking on fighting this at least again to the public, to the voters. >> yeah, how they're looking to reframe it as in their benefit, giving the voters, their voters the base what they want to hear. kristen o much. and joining us now cnn political commentator mia love and joe walsh, and former obama special advisor van jones. great to see you all on this friday night. congressman walsh, i want to talk to you. the polling is interesting. as we mentioned there's this new abc news polling that shows 65% of americans believe the charges in this indictment are serious. that's higher than in the classified documents and hush money cases. however, according to a cnn poll among registered voters who say

they cast a ballot for trump in 2020, 75% say they have doubts about biden's legitimacy as president. how do you reconcile those two numbers? >> pamela, i think it's easy. and maybe my vantage point is skewed because i hear from republican base voters every day. and look, i think there's credible evidence that donald trump committed crimes to overturn the election, but republican voters, pamela, don't see it that way. they really do truly believe -- and this is what i hear every day, that the government, the deep state is after him. trump is a martyr, he's a victim. that is such a powerful narrative with republican voters, and i don't think it's a narrative that any of his republican competitors can overcome, and i think he'll be fairly formidable in a general election, and that scares me. >> and his opponents, many of

them are kind of going along with this idea of deep state, government being weaponized, doj having two tracks, one for the former president, one for hunter biden. they're not even going after donald trump at this latest indictment. now, some are, but many aren't. congresswoman, i want to go to you to play this sound with speaker mccarthy and what he said last night comparing former president trump's election lies to the way hillary clinton and al gore dealt with their election lies. >> i could say the same thing that hillary clinton says about her election that she lost. i can say the same thing about the dnc who said it about the 2016 race. i can say the same thing about those in the democratic party from the leadership on down about george bush and al gore did, but were any of them prosecuted? were any of them put in jail? when hillary clinton said it, nothing happened to her. when they said it in georgia's election, nothing happened to them either. you know what? when the dnc said it, nothing happened to them either. >> adam kinzinger told anderson

last night he believes speaker mccarthy he knows the comparison there he's making is false and he's starting to get visibly mad at having to carry water for the former president. you know the speaker. do you think that's what's going on here? >> he sounded a little exasperated like he wanted to talk about something else. i believe that kevin would rather talk about policy. he'd rather talk about what we are doing to put americans' lives ahead of politics. and you have to appreciate the position that he's in. i mean, he's looking at the polls. and yes, some of this indictment is starting to hurt the former president a little bit, but it looks like he may be the republican nominee, and he still has to work with former president donald trump. and as you all know and i've said this before, if you are not 100% in lock step with the former president, if you aren't 100% loyal with every single

decision that he makes, then he doesn't -- then he considers you a traitor. he's being careful not to get on the other side of somebody he is most likely going to have to work with again very closely. >> van, do you agree with that assessment? >> well, that's what it looks like. it's interesting hearing kevin mccarthy talk about the fact -- and it's true people have criticized election results and criticized democrats have done that and nothing's happened to them. also republicans criticized barack obama, said he didn't have the right birth certificate and delegitimated him. they also were not prosecuted. nobody's been prosecuted on either side criticizing election results except for donald trump in either party because no one has done what he did which is to conspire to overturn an election. kevin mccarthy knows belter to make these kind of false

comparisons. it is true, democrats criticize election results, republicans criticize election results. it's old as american pie, but no one did what donald trump did, and that's why he's the only one being prosecuted. >> what do you think, joe? >> i think van is spot on, and this is such an important point. donald trump was not indicted because of what he said. he was indicted because of what he did. and with all due respect to my friend mia love, i don't appreciate at all the position mccarthy is in. mccarthy's a cowered. he sold his soul to become a speaker so whatever marjorie taylor greene and the base wants to say. this is so clear by now. america needs to wrap their arms around the fact my former political party is a cult. the leader of that cult is a criminal, and the party will not abandon him. we've got to accept that. >> i'm wondering what you -- >> i take some issue to calling the republican party a cult. that's not going to bring us all together, i can tell you that

right now. republicans don't appreciate that. there are some republicans that have gone against donald trump, and those people want to be brought in, too. they want to be appreciated, and they want to be noticed for the fact they want to talk about policies that help americans, that help with the inflation problem that we've been dealing with, putting food on the table. those republicans need to be heard and they need to have someone validate their concerns. >> let me ask you, though, to follow up on your point, congressman love, because the ones who have done that currently running for president i think of asa hutchinson and mike pence in his statement, will hurd, they're all not doing so well in the polls compared to trump and comparing to ron desantis. >> if you look at my race, trump was a big factor in my race, and it didn't turn out well. i had to answer for every single thing that donald trump did. and other candidates today are

going to have to answer for every single thing that he did and has done. and you're right, van, i wanted to say that the big difference here with the indictment is january 6th and what happened to january 6th and what happened on january 6th. that's a big difference. and we have to make sure we -- that that's clear. republican candidates are going to have to answer this question. they're going to have to -- they're going to have to answer the question of whether they believe donald trump should be indicted. every single one is going to have to answer that. and that's not right. we really should be talking about issues that matter. what about things like small issues like cancer and eradicating cancer? supporting president bindsen when he says he wants to get rid of that, that's something that republicans and democrats can actually hold hands on and america would applaud them for it.

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amendment rights. before we bring in a prominent republican election lawyer to talk about this case, though, we want to do a fact check keeping them honest. here's that claim again by house speaker mccarthy trying to paint an equivalent before the man who once said a man was responsible for january 6th. >> i can say the same thing before hillary clinton before she lost, the same thing about the dnc, i can say the same thing about those in the democratic party from the leadership on down about george bush winning or al gore did. but were any of those prosecuted? were any of them put in jail? were any of them held in response to be able to get out? the answer is no. the difference here is when hillary clinton said it, nothing happened to her. when they said it in georgia's election, nothing happened to them either. >> so for starters let's break this down. no one that he mentioned at any time in any race instigated a violent mob to attack the seat

of govnmt, nor did anyone else invite said mob to washington with the words big protest in d.c. on january 6th, be there, will be wild. nor has anyone else ever entered into a conspiracy to overturn an election as is alleged in this indictment. bottom line what the former president did lawful or not cannot in good faith be compared to what any presidential candidate of any party in any race has ever done. so when it comes to deeds, again, lawful or not, that is not for us to decide. there is no comparison. as for words, here is what hillary clinton and al gore said at the end of their campaigns. he after a bruising but peacefully conducted court battle and she just hours after the election. >> last night i congratulated donald trump and offered to work with him on behalf of our country. i hope that he will be a successful president for all

americans. this is not the outcome we wanted or we worked so hard for, and i'm sorry that we did not win this election for the values we share and the vision we hold for our country. our constitutional democracy enshrines the peaceful transfer of power. and we don't just respect that, we cherish it. >> now the u.s. supreme court has spoken. let there be no doubt while i strongly disagree with the court's decision, i accept it. i accept the finality of this outcome, which quill will be ratified next monday in the electoral college. tonight for the sake of our people and strength of our democracy, i offer my concession. >> their words in defeat, and now here's just one sample of the many things donald trump said after he lost, after being told he lost and having been defeated by then in dozens of

court cases. >> so, look, all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state. >> the former president, january 2, 2021, talking to georgia election officials after being told point by point that, no, he did not win the state. joining us the election lawyer ginsburg who played a key role in the bush campaign in that florida recount. good to see you. so what goes through your mind when you hear speaker mccarthy try to equate what donald trump did in the aftermath of the 2016 clinton and 2000 gore campaigns? >> i can appreciate why he got angry there because he's got such a weak argument and he's conflating the basic principles

you talked about. any candidate has the right to contest elections. there are laws for that, but the deal is that when you go to court and after the recounts are decided, then you have to accept that. and what donald trump is being indicted for is his actions afterwards. they are not his words. they were as you said what happened at the capitol, what happened with the fake electors, what happened with going to state officials, essentially trying to take away the vote of the people. >> you heard mia love earlier in the discussion saying the thing that separates donald trump from the others is january 6th, what happened there, the insurrection at the capitol. but i'm curious if that hadn't have happened, do you still think this indictment against donald trump would have moved forward, that there was enough evidence against him? >> well, i think that there's an awful lot of evidence in the indictment itself that points to

really things that happened on the state level and in congress in trying to stop a vote beyond the rioting. but i think what happened on january 6th in the capitol is a singular occurrence in american history, and probably without that this would have been handled in a different way. >> are you surprised then that the former president wasn't charged with incitement? >> well, i think first of all this is an initial indictment, and it's not to say that he won't be afterwards. i think incitement is a much different sort of a case to have to prove. and i think after an investigation, which clearly was a thorough investigation, it may be that the incitement would have been sort of a sideshow to the much more fundamental stopping of the peaceful

transfer of power. >> on january 6, 2021, former president george w. bush released a statement that said the insurrection was, quote, how election results are disputed in a banana republic, not our democratic republic and that the rioters were people whose passions have been inflamed by falsehoods and false hopes, end quote. is the republican party still the party of bush and reagan and romney and mccain, do they have a place in the party? or is it just indefinitely wholly the party of trump? >> i think you can't look at this in just this moment. and that in point of fact there's going to be a really important referendum in november of 2024. and between this trial and donald trump potentially the head of the ticket, what happens down ballot is really going to answer your question. in other words, if donald trump brings down to defeat a lot of

republican candidates, lose the majority in the senate, lose the majority in the house, lose some governorships, then that is a pretty clear mandate for the party to change, to go back to its basic principles that started with ronald reagan and sort of been completely lost in the trumpian years. but overall the future of the republican party hinges on what happens with donald trump right now. and so this trial combined with the election is going to be sort of a confluence of events that is going to answer your question about who the leaders of the republican party are in the future. >> i want to talk about the defenses we've heard so far, two of the likely defenses the trump team will likely attempt to argue, continue to argue, perhaps argue during a trial that first of all he was just exercising his right to free

speech and even though his own attoener and white house lawyers told him he lost election, he was just relying on his advice of counsel. after all, as we know from that indictment, there were these unindicted coconspirators, five of whom have been identified by cnn and they are all attorneys. so isn't his attorney going to argue, look, he was listening to attorneys? >> well, i'm sure they're going to answer -- they're going to argue everything they can possibly argue, and that would be one of them. but the point is broader than that because no matter what his attorneys were tell him, there were the verdicts of the courts. and we know from january 6th committee testimony there were other lawyers telling him he had flat out lost. so what's really interesting about the unindicted coconspirators plus mark meadows is what the conversations really were right before january 6th and really right after january 6th. plus, you have to think that the special counsel has gone in and

talked to the navy steward pouring them cokes and bringing them hershey bars on january 6th, what was going through his mind, what were the instructions that went out? and that's true for the discussions about the election and how things got put in motion and what the ultimate results will be. but there was certainly ample evidence that a special counsel can counter with that donald trump knew -- had to have known that in fact he lost the election. >> yeah, and you heard his former attorney general bill barr tell our kate collins the other night that, yeah, he knew he lost the election. thank you. we're going to continue this conversation. just ahead with one of the many questions about this indictment, how did rudy giuliani go from being a mob fighter and man known as america's mayor to someone now identified as coconspirator one

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coconspirator one. conspirator one we know now is rudy giuliani, a one time political star, his reputation has fallen far for the man once known as america's mayor. 360's randy kaye has more on the rise and fall of rudy giuliani. >> what happened to there's no black america, there's no white america, there is just america? what happened to it? >> reporter: rudy giuliani at the 2016 republican national convention. this was not the kid from brooklyn that america had come to know. giuliani had earned a reputation for being tough on crime as a young assistant u.s. attorney. at 39 he was appointed u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, zeroing in on organized crime and white collar criminals. after becoming mayor of new york city in 1993, giuliani took credit for making manhattan safe. then came 9/11.

giuliani was the picture of strength with some calling him america's mayor. >> the city's going to survive. we're going to get through it. g g >> reporter: and time magazine named him person of the year. >> today i'm officially announcing my withdrawal as candidate for president of the united states. >> reporter: but in 2016 he was back on the campaign trail as a surrogate for donald trump. >> he will be a leader of the change we need. >> reporter: soon giuliani became a regular on cable news. >> shut up. shut up. you don't know what you're talking about. bill clinton asked me what this guy romney like. you know what i told him, he's our al gore. >> all right, rudy, hold that thought. >> reporter: giuliani also began pedaling outlandish conspiracy theory. he insisted that hillary clinton had some mysterious illness. >> go online and put down hillary clinton illness and take a look at the videos yourself.

>> reporter: his behavior prompted this politico headline. is rudy giuliani losing his mind? things only got more strange from there. in october 2020, he made a bizarre cameo in sasha barren cohen's second borat movie. that's giuliani in a hotel room outfitted with hidden cameras. on twitter he defended himself calling the hidden camera video a complete fabrication. after trump lost the 2020 election giuliani claimed trump won and pushed false claims about voter fraud. it all reached a bizarre crescendo at this now infamous november 2020 press conference. flanked by trump's legal team and held in the parking lot of four seasons total landscaping outside philadelphia, giuliani didn't offer any proof the election had been stolen as he promised. >> there are dead people voting, no question about it. >> reporter: in a later news conference sweating and with hair dye running down his face, giuliani still offered no evidence of voter fraud and

instead made a random reference to a popular movie. >> did you all watch my cousin vinny? it's one of my favorite law movies. >> reporter: and just as giuliani railed against a nonexistent election fraud he learned the race had been officially called for joe biden. >> oh, my goodness, all the networks! wow! all the networks. we have to forget about it law. >> reporter: after trump's election loss, giuliani faded a bit from the spotlight. aside from hawking cigars and gold coins. >> give them a call and tell them rudy sent you. >> reporter: but special counsel jack smith hadn't forgotten about him and his closeness to the former president. smith's team has interviewed the former mayor as part of the investigation into efforts to overturn the 2020 election, and he's a target in the fulton county, georgia, investigation into election interference. giuliani's also being sued by both dominion voting systems and

smartmatic for defamation over his election fraud claims. and his law license has been suspended in both d.c. and new york. america's mayor, it seems, has a lot of explaining to do. >> i don't know about it. i didn't hear it. >> and pamela, we know that rudy giuliani is coconspirator one as listed in inindo nimt. and here are just a few aof things the indictment accuses him of doing. bullying officials in four different states, pushing for the slates of fake electors, also claiming to some officials that thousands of dead people voted, which we know isn't true. calling to ask lawmakers after the attack on the capitol to delay the vote certification, and of course falsely claiming the vice president mike pence at the time did have the power to overturn the election. again, we know that's not true. it's also worth noting rudy giuliani has not been charged with anything yet when it comes to january 6th. but of course special counsel jack smith says this

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an outpouring of support and grief tonight in new york following the murder of a young man at a brooklyn gas station last weekend. o'shea sibly was a 28-year-old professional dancer who according to "the new york times" was preparing to audition for the lion king. it was one of his favorite broadway musicals, but he was stabbed in the torso after a confrontation with a group of males who according to one of sibly's friends had been shouting gay slurs. there's new information tonight in this case. and cnn's jason carroll joins us now from that gas station where a vigil was held tonight. jason? >> reporter: well, pamela, i can tell you that the suspect in this case, 17 years old. he turned himself in along with his attorney to police earlier today. those who gathered out here at the very same gas station where sibley was stabbed for a demonstration for a muyoemorialy that suspect should be charged with ae crime. they gathered here at this gas

station in brooklyn to memorialize and to take a stand against hate. >> we stand here today, tomorrow, and we'll continue to until black, queer, trans, nonbinary lives are respected and it's not a debate. we shouldn't have to debate our existence. >> reporter: this is where o'shea sibly, a 28-year-old professional dancer was stabbed to death last saturday night. police say the trouble started when a group of young men shouted anti-gay slurs at sibley a his friends because they were dancing, voguing to a beyonce song. one witness at the gas station described what he saw. >> the guy came from inside the store, he left and he saw the men like why are you dancing. he's like i'm muslim, stop dancing. so that's where the fight all started. >> reporter: surveillance video showed at one point sibley appeared to walk away, the situation escalated, and police say one of the men stabbed sibley in the chest.

his death has sparked outrage across social media. beyonce paid tribute and posted rest in power o'shea sibley on her website. shaheed has been friends and colleagues with sibley for more than a decade. >> unfortunately, someone with bigotry and hatred still took his life, and my heart broke, and it's still breaking. >> reporter: sibley was a member of the modern dance company. he performed at lincoln center and got his start dancing as a teenager in philadelphia. he stayed in touch with his dance instructor who he lovingly called aunt joan. >> i just couldn't believe it happened for the reason that it happened because here we are in america. i said being black in america is being black in america, but this was for other reasons, you know, his sexuality? the fact he was just dancing,

pumping gas and dancing. >> reporter: sibley's death has drawn attention to the number of hate crimes directed at gay and trans people, especially those of color. according to the latest fbi statistics available, it was an 70% increase in hate crimes against lgbtq people in the u.s. from 2020 to 2021. no surprise to community leaders who helped organize friday's demonstration. >> when i tell my young people that they need to be safe when they leave the center, when i tell my young people they need to be safe going downtown, that's an every day reality to us. these moments show us there's still so much work to do. >> reporter: those who knew sibley will remember his love of dance and his loving personality. >> he was loving because he was always giving love to get love. >> reporter: pamela, one of the things that we kept hearing over

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simone biles is back. two years ago the most decorated gymnast of all-time stepped away from the sport to see to her mental health needs making this video that much more welcome. seeing her back in action practicing for this weekend's competition near something, her first since the 2021 tokyo olympics and her last opportunity to qualify for the u.s. gymnastics championships

later this month. that's an important step on the way to the 2024 paris games. more now from cnn's carolyn manu. >> i guess i would describe himself as confident. >> flying high after medals in 2016 in rio and unprecedented essention to the top of the sport. >> i think she's unhuman because i think she's so amazing. >> reporter: simone's life took an unexpected detour. that fall usa gymnastics was rocked with long time allegations of sexual abuse by long time team doctor larry nassar. tweeting a statement which read in part i know this horrific experience does not define me. that the 2021 tokyo games with the world anticipating another super human performance, biles showed her strength outside of the competition. suffering from what she

describes as the twisties, inexplicably losing her bearings in the air. >> the girls saw me in training, my coach saw me in training and i couldn't do it because i was getting so lost in the air. >> reporter: she withdrew from five events at the tokyo games prioritizing mental health over her medal count. >> i think it should be talked about a lot more especially with athletes because i know a lot of us are going through the same things and we're always told to push through it. >> reporter: an emotional biles testified before the senate judiciary committee about the fbi's handling of the sexual abuse case against nassar. >> to be clear i blame larry nassar, and i also blame an entire system that enabled and perpetrated his abuse. >> reporter: biles said she's been in therapy weekly since stepping away.

now she's ready for a come back. she's aware how flufrmgs she continues to be. >> at the end of the day we're not just just entertainment, we're humans and there are things going on behind the scenes we're tryingprioritize. >> i'm excited about life and what's to come and how i've changed and evolved as a person. >> pamela, i'm told biles is platooning competing. since this news broke she would be coming back to the sport and return to competition is widely viewed as potential return to the olympic stage in paris summer 2024. pamela. >> thanks so much. >> joining us now sportscaster cnn contributor bob kasota. how exciting is this return of simone biles and what will be watching for this weekend? >> it's very exciting.

she's the best of all time, no dispute. some athletes establish their position historically cumulatively. even if she never competed in another olympics what she did in rio in 2016 at age 19 not just winning the events but executing the maneuvers other gymnasts couldn't try. he was by acclimation the best ever. when we talk about the twistys there are overlapping aspects and that connects mental health. there's the abuse from larry nassar. there is the pressure put upon her as the face with all due respect to katie and others expected to be the american face of the tokyo olympics and those expectation and the mind body disconnect that may or may not

play a role and it's just too dangerous when you have that disconnect you could sustain significant bodily injury so all those things came into play at once in tokyo. now the best to ever do it is back assuming she can qualify for the olympic here and something else pamela. nothing against tokyo as site for olympics but we know it was in the midst of covid and no spectators in stands. that applied in large part to beijing but there were misgivings about the ioc going there a second time and human rights implications so the joy of the olympics wasn't there. this is a chance for it to get its mojo back, paris, wonderful setting american audience will look forward to this more than the last few olympics a among the reasons that simone biles is possibly back. >> she creates so much of the anticipation. right? as we know bob since the tokyo

olympics she's gotten married. what are the benefits and the challenges for a dominant athlete like simone taking that break from competition? >> well, everyone's individual circumstance is different. i think she needed that time away. it's pretty clear. i haven't been in touch with simone for a while but i knew her well since i hosted the olympics in 2016 and kept track of her leading up to that and subsequently at events together she's a bright young woman. it should be said this is clearly the last go around, 27 is an advanced age for a modern olympic gymnast, katie lideki will be 27 but that's not so advanced for a swimmer simone was 19 in rio. she will be 27 in paris and see what she's capable of doing but

it's clear she needed the time off just to get herself together in every respect and prime herself for what may happen a year from now in paris. >> yes. she just had so much courage to be open as she was to take the time needed and received some backlash for her decision in tokyo but also a lot of praise for putting her safety and mental health first. how impactful is her voice among this generation of athletes and beyond? >> i think it is impactful as is michael phelps who has been very candid about his struggles with depression or kevin love in the nba or naomi osaka the tennis player. there's less stigma attached to it. there are people who react with an old school reaction hey an athlete never quits, tough it out. i think there's an evolution in our understanding and empathy

for these situations and it's moved forward by those prominent athletes who are willing to acknowledge their circumstances publicly. >> good for them. bob thank you. great to see you. >> nice to see you too. >> coming up, taylor swift and the late kobe bryant's young daughter making a little magic on stage. wait for this moment, after this break. it changes your smile and how others smile at you. clearchoice network doctors have changed over 100,000 lives with dental implants, and they can change yours, too. because a clearchoice day changes every day. schedule a free consultation. ♪ ♪ we're reinventing our network... ...with smarter, more efficient routes... ...so you can deliver more value to your customers. fast. reliable. perfectly orchestrated. the united states postal service.

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