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it, was there news this week? i couldn't quite tell. >> i took a few trains this week, i will just say that, back and forth to new york dc. >> and you know what? a few more people got thrown under a bus. it is nice to see you. hi, everyone, i am laura, thank you for joining me. here's the big question of the evening, everyone, did donald trump just perhaps violate the conditions of his release? the president threatening retaliation just 24 hours after yes, his indictment. a judge warned him, by the way, against intimidating or tampering with witnesses take a look. on social media he was writing quote, if you go after me, i am coming after you. kind of a way of saying don't come for me until after i sent for you, apparently. we will talk about all of that in a moment with our law expert, who testified at one of his impeachment hearings. but first, trump also railed against the charges against him at an event in alabama, just a
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short time ago. >> every one of these many fake charges filed against me, by the corrupt biden doj could have been filed two and half years ago they didn't want to do a two and half years ago. they wanted to wait, and they did wait, they waited until the middle of an election, and they waited until i became the dominant force in the pole. they wanted to interfere in my campaign. they wanted to interfere in the elections, a commonly used tactic in third world countries. >> this all comes as his lawyers and his allies continue to float with some possible defenses in the election interference case. he is now asking the supreme court to intervene. i want to get right to the news tonight with cnn and crunchy domestic correspondent, jim acosta, who by the way will be here at 11:00. excited to see this evening as well. jim, we look to you. you have so much experience, having followed this banana trail. i don't know if you like being anonymous -- >> too much.
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>> but not for the same reasons. he is floating this idea, as you have seen. they are coming after me. but they really want to get to you. and i'm standing in between. >> yeah. >> we've heard this a lot. what is this have lakes? >> yeah, he's been saying this for months now. i am the retribution. they are coming after me. i'm just standing in the way of them coming after you. that kind of thing. and honestly i think he is doing this because what other choice does he have? but to cast all of these legal troubles as a plot against the rest of the country. i mean, he has been a fan of spinning these kinds of lies and conspiracy theories ever since he started running for president, way back in 2015. and, you know, he was talking in very threatening terms about jack smith, the special counsel, calling him deranged and that sort of thing. and you know, what he's going to do throughout this campaign with these cases all pending in these indictments pending as he is going to dance right to the line. he is going to go over from
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time to time. >> a lot of the time. >> a lot of the time going after the judge. the lawyers, the prosecutors, democrats up on capitol hill he will continue to play the sand because it is the plenty always played. i've covered him, as you said, for years now. and going back all the way the to the 2016 campaign he has a talent for creating this climate , this environment, where it feels like political violence could break out at any moment. he wants the country frightened in a state of almost political terror all the time, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. that is the kind of environment he tends to do well in and so, i don't suspect that he is going to change this way of behaving at all. he's going to try to exploit this. i was talking to a trip advisor earlier today who said that they believe, wholeheartedly, that they can delay these cases until after the election. and
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so they don't have to worry about winning the republican party contest. they think they have got the nomination already wrapped up, and in the general election battle between donald trump and joe biden, as we saw back in 2016, all it takes is for donald trump to get a little bit of luck and for his democratic opponent to have a little better look like that letter before the 2016 election and he has a chance of getting back there. >> well, you think about it, what is that famous line in the day of game of thrones, it is a ladder. certainly not the first politician to say, hey, if there is enough pots during, or enough going on right here cracks will perforate, anyone and it will be lost in all of this. the polling does hold him quite strong, and he has even had the, some say the audacity to say look, i just need one more indictment and then it is like i got a straight flush for some reason. a fourth indictment. he believes it will be an additional feather in his cap, and frankly, i remember so well when you were at so many of his rallies, and we could tell, in
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front of the cameras there would be people, who were vicious. behind the cameras they couldn't wait to get a picture with you. there was this duality that was going on, and you often see it mirrored in the republican party allies today of, publicly they say one thing, privately something else. is there a moment that you are seeing, reporting wise, and politically, where maybe the two will meet, and the gloves come off? >> you know, i really, i think what you see is what you get. i mean, donald trump is crazy, like a fox. he is going to continue to push the envelope, do everything but violates the very specific orders of the federal judge that were handed out as an arraignment yesterday. he may even violate them to some extent. he will bear and tempt any judge overseeing any of these cases to come after him and lock him up during these proceedings. they are starting to see this inside of trump is a winning hand. a fourth indictment bite might be for aces as far as they can are concerned at this point.
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and to some extent, this is not meant as a criticism of the justice department or attorney general, merrick garland, but by waiting as long as they did, they did sort of welcome this possibility that donald trump could say, hey, wait a minute, you are doing this because we are right in the middle of a campaign. now, obviously the folks who will defend the justice department and attorney general will say, no, just took this long to get to this point. well, it took too long in that it came right in the middle of this campaign process, and course we may not see indictments brought to a trial until well into the republican primaries of the next year, and who knows what happens after that. the other big question is what to the republican party do with all of this? i don't think anyone has contemplated what does the gop do if donald trump somehow tried and convict it and sent to jail right before the republican convention next year , or right after the republican convention next year.
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>> it doesn't say he can't, right? >> what are they going to do about that? i don't think they have fully thought this through either. so, while there is a lot of doomsday scenarios and doom and gloom about donald trump getting back in the white house, there certainly a lot of doom and gloom from the republican side of the aisle. i don't think they fully thought through how this can really blow up in their faces next year. >> stay tuned with the tumble read with the ready to go in the wild wild west. we are in uncharted territory, yet again. this is the third and we are accustomed to the indictment cycle. jim, we will see him at 11:00 as well. i want to unpack more what we are talking about. i want to bring in michael, a law professor at the university of north carolina. it is nice to see you my friend. you know, i think i can almost hear you thinking right now, when it comes to any conversation about the notion of witness intimidation, voting rights, deprivation, all of these aspects that have been swirling around the president of the united states.
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tonight, trump is saying that they could have charged him right after leaving office, but putting aside that the documents didn't become an issue, obviously, until he left office, but those are just minor details, that is not how investigations work right? tell me about the timeline that the doj is often criticized for? to see that timeline is problematic? >> i don't see that problem is problematic. i see it for the following reason. we've got two things going on right now. what is all about politics. one is obviously the campaign. and what trump is doing is providing all of this political rhetoric and appealing to his base. but the other thing that should be going on is how the legal system works. and politics, on the one hand, moves much faster than the legal process works on the other. the thing about courts and a prosecutor as they take time to build their case. they follow the evidence, and jack smith has done that. it takes a while.
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but meanwhile, trump can provide that space by making it sound like they are just dragging their heels. they are doing their job. this is what a professional prosecutor does. takes time to build a case and then to present it. in the political world is going to be moving much faster. so, we can sort of try and deflect people's attention from what is going on in the legal world? >> it is called due process, not to quickness, right? it is not really known for its expedience a lot of times, but i remind people that it is not that jack smith was a special counsel on, say, january 7th. he is just recently, relatively speaking, come under this position, they've had a lot of prosecutions of people who actually entered into the capitol. case and point, this judge, like other judges, has a lot of experiences right now with conversations surrounding the sentencing of january 6th and the direction beyond.
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also, this is breaking news we are just getting in as well. we now have word that the special counsel has now cited trump's truth social post tonight. you know, i was getting ready, michael, to ask you about this very truth social post that says if you go after me i am coming after you. and i was going to ask you, is this problematic in the eyes of the prosecution? well, tonight and they are now asking for a protected order. that is what we know at least right now. tell me, when you saw this post what was your first reaction? >> my first reaction is trump just stepped over a line again. in other words, trump makes it a business of trying not just to push boundaries, but ignore them. and even though he has been counseled by numerous people, as well as the judge, not to threaten, not to use his rhetoric to sort of go after people, including the prosecutor, what does trump do? he immediately does that.
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that is a political move that trump just made, and that political move makes him popular with the base, but on the legal side, he just broke another law. >> it almost reminds me. i think there would be arguments some people might make, you know little kids with their siblings, i'm not touching you, they are almost close to your face, i'm not touching you, not touching you, maybe it is my kids in my own household, but somebody look at that same post and they would say it is not specific, he didn't name a particular witness, he didn't threaten a particular named person. the judge's name is not in there, any of the witnesses who might be in there, or even the unnamed co-conspirators who have not yet been indicted in any of the pleadings, is there an argument to be made that it is so vague that a protective order would essentially leads to the next talking point that says oh, i can't say anything? >> i don't think this statement that he has just gotten in trouble for is vague. it served his political purpose. it made him look powerful. he got to sort of look like the boss. but legally he just got himself in trouble again. and i think one sink thing to
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sort of keep in mind is that trump is having trouble trying to maintain balance in both the political world and legal world. the more heated it gets in the political world, the more trouble he is going to get in the legal world. and right now trump has a history of intimidating witnesses. he has an history of violence. and the thing to do, as you well know, if you're trying to figure out if somebody is posing a danger is you infer from the circumstances and from the language what, maybe, that person's purpose, or what is the effect of what they are doing, and that is what we do with donald trump. we can infer from that language, he is trying to heat up the crowd, hopefully producing another riot, and at the same time we can infer from that language he is not acting in good faith. that is not a statement of if somebody is going to comply with the law, but it is somebody working like the old west. >> and my prosecutorial brain is
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turning right now michael, and i'm saying, you know what? every word has to be precise in the way you present it to the court. and i have used the word witness. but another word that could be used, the codefendant. the other words that could be used here, given the allegations, at least in the superseding indictment, involving the mar-a-lago documents, and this is not necessarily a case specific truth social post, it could be brought in another number of rounds, it could be at least three indictments, but it could be viewed by special counsel, as a warning to those who might be incentivized, or willing to testify, whether they are yet unnamed, or somebody who shares a portion of a caption. there is a lot to impact here. this judge is on notice, knowing that this judge has done a lot, has already had the judge spidey sense. thank you so much. in another story, the teams
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investigating the go-go beach serial killer, they have now identified another victim. i will speak live, with the daughter of another famous american serial killer. plus, they have the nerve to call themselves the goon squad. but they were, and are white officers torturing two black men. i will speak with those officers tonight. is florida now banning an ap course in high schools? there is news justin on all of that. i will talk to one of the teachers ahead. your company is eligible. [whip sound] take the first step to see if your small business qualifies. listen up, you dogs with allergic itch! today's talking lesson is just one word: apoquel. ap--o--quel. ♪ you can't teach your itchy dog to talk... ...so, talk to your vet about apoquel. apoquel is for the control of allergic itch in dogs. do not use apoquel in dogs with serious infections.
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all right, tonight there is a dramatic new turn in the go- go beach murders investigation. a new victim has now been identified. police say that 34-year-old escort, karen is the victim, known as fire island jane doe, who went missing, back in 1996. authities have not yet linked the alleged killer to her death. now, he has been charged with first-degree murder in the deaths of three women, and he is the prime suspect in this appearance in death of another, but has not yet been charged with that homicide. i want to bring in dr. john carson who is the daughter of one of the san francisco which killers. her father was one of the three murders in san francisco in the
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early 1980s. he and his wife believe they were supposed to kill which is. dr. john carson, thank you for being here, off the bat. but when you hear about cases like this and what families are coming home to when the allegations arise, for someone like brynn gingras five and beyond, what are your feelings? >> first of all, my heart goes out to the go-go victims. they had parents, they had children, and siblings, but my heart also hurts for the family of rex heuermann. after i learned that my father was a suspect in 12 homicides, confessed to three, also a plot to kill president reagan, i was a small child and i found out as a small child.
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and i-- it shattered my self- concept. i felt like i was satan's's bond or the bad seed or that i was somehow bad. and i survived several decades of suicidal thoughts, and several days of life threatening suicidal behaviors. but the good news is i now work in suicide prevention and i model recovery to others, and encourage everyone to get help, which anyone listening can, 24-7 by calling 988. >> i would assume as well that it must have informed your decision and your calling, to which you now obviously are a trauma expert in this space. and i wonder-- one of the allegations that is always going to come up, and you know, people following this story, who will be asking their questions, either armchair directors and detectives, or
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those who are in the court of public opinion like we often are in, they are going to ask questions about what the wife or children could have possibly known. when you hear that question being raised, do you have any idea whether they have known anything, what would you say to anyone who thinks that they must -- and have assumed that they have known something? >> yeah, it is so interesting, the spectators are increasingly trying to predict plot twists and trying to identify like an origin story, and in reality there was a go-go beach task force with brilliant members of law enforcement working on this. dozens and dozens and dozens of experts. you know, if those people could not identify this human predator, this human monster for decades and he was so sophisticated at evading them in this era of modern tech knowledge he then, of course he
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could deceive his family. of course he could. >> a really important point that i think a lot of people haven't really considered in the same way as of course you would have. i want to play for you though, the wife's attorney who spoke with cnn tonight. and he was asked if he thought the police would question her, and also, if she would cooperate with police. look at what he had to say. >> at this point i don't think she is a suspect it suspect, because they made clear that they ruled her out as an accomplice or any accomplices and stated on numerous occasions that she was out of the jurisdiction out of the country are on vacation when the alleged murders took place. so i think they ruled her out upfront. >> i would note also that she has now filed for divorce, by the way. but although she is not currently a suspect, would you be surprised if officials took a closer look at her at this point in time?
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>> no, of course, you know, and any missing person's case, or murder case, you know, they always look close to home and, you know, so, of course they will look at her, but what is known now is it appears that this was occurring when she was away. and she stated, verbally in an interview with my friend that she was taking it moment by moment, and she says not hour by hour, moment by moment. and you just hear the fatigue and sorrow in her voice. until there is any indication that this woman is involved, everyone needs to give her a little bit of space, because, you know, she is going through an experience that is essentially everyone's worst nightmare, that they were-- the stranger beside them right? that there was a wolf in
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sheep's closing laying next to them in the bed. this is horrific. so, i hope that we can give her a little bit of both embassy empathy and somebody. >> dr. brynn gingras four, we thank you for your unique perspective in particular. thank you. >> thank you. you know, for nearly 2 hours , nearly 2 hours, two black men were tortured and terrorized by six white officers, who called themselves the goon squad. those men are going to join me next as we take you inside the home where it happened, and the officers making now stunning admissions. and checking voicemail... as my activities permit. i'll connect with you... after reconnecting with me. ♪ get 1.9% apr for 36 months
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a horrifying case of police brutality in rankin county, mississippi. six white former-- now former officers, and frankly i have a hard time saying those words together with a straight face. they called themselves the goon squad. they pleaded guilty to charges related to the torture of two black men. now, just a moment i will speak to the victims and their attorney, but first i want to explain to you a little bit about what we know has happened. back in january deputies responded to a complaint about two black men staying at a house in braxton mississippi. they entered the home, and for the next two hours they beat, assaulted, and sexually abused the man, even shooting one of the victims in the mouth. the u.s. attorney for
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mississippi, saying the former officers became the criminals that they swore to protect people from. >> not only did they brazenly commit these acts, but after inflicting serious bodily injury , by firing a shot through one of the victim's mouse they left him lying in a pool of blood. gathered on the porch of the house to discuss how to cover it up. >> joining me now are eddie parker and michael jenkins, victims of the former officers, and their attorney, malik. gentlemen, i can't tell you how much even knowing what happened, even a sliver of what happened has created such a
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sense of pain and deep sadness for anyone who hears about it. you almost wish that this story was a fiction or a movie, but it is real life, and it happened. i am wondering when you are sitting here today, and having to relive, having to explain, having to discuss, what does that even feel like, knowing that this never should have happened? >> it is almost surreal. it is almost-- it has been a long time coming, waiting on, you know this outcome, you know, for everything that we said you know happened, everything we feel happened. it is still a surreal feeling. i mean, is a dream we still dream about. >> you must have trouble in the
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aftermath. there has been physical harm? >> yes. >> you were shot in the mouth. you are still experiencing the physical injury, the pain, the emotional, the mental repercussions of all of this. how are you dealing with any of this? >> one second at a time. one day at a time. the lord. prayer. i don't know. >> can you show me where the injury happened? you were shot-- it went through your mouth, and the side of your head. it came out to the neck? >> yes, ma'am over here it was like this. if it came to the back of my head i probably would have been dead if i wouldn't have been looking at him like this. >> and these are police officers who we are talking about to have now played even
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the sheriff apologized to you both. i can't imagine what the word sorry could do, but didn't do anything for you? >> i don't feel it done anything for me. i mean, for it being so long, you know, sorry for sitting and waiting for months and months, thinking that i was going to be you know, anything different from what we said. i mean emma you believe your police officers, you know, you know started this all, you know from whatever, you know, you believe that they were going to do the job,, and then murder someone. >> they gave them the benefit of the doubt, but did not extend 20. >> not once. it really doesn't mean too much for me. >> just to be clear, this happened in january. >> yes. >> and these officers have just
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now pleaded guilty? >> yes. >> but how long did it take for the officers to even investigate. i mean, they were on the porch, plotting, it seemed, and describing and trying to figure out how to cover this all up. how long did it take before the officers, were not the ones involved, charge them, or believe these two men? >> it only comes after the force of our legal pressure, the force of community pressure, and the willingness of the united states department of justice under the leadership of the civil rights division, under the leadership of kristin clark, to bring about any apology from brian bailey, the sheriff, who is responsible for these-- for this ordeal of torture. this horrendous ordeal of torture, which is the worst police incident that we ever know of in the united states history. it comes, because brian bailey condoned their actions over the years. they ratified their actions,
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and rankin county has a pattern and practice and custom of beating people, excessive force use and killing persons. and that is how they got so bold as to water board, sexually assault, pays these men, beat them, all while handcuffed and never resisting at any point. this comes, because the sheriff's department nurtured this environment, and allowed it to exist. and that is how they got so bold. so that is what really happened. >> i mean, when you just hear about the fact. even when you just hear a sliver. and i recognize that in the time we have together i couldn't even begin to scratch the surface as to the 90 minutes, two hours of torture and inhumane treatment that you had to be subjected to. but you don't do this for the first time. this is not the moment of just somebody being bold today and
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they just wake up and do this. but you are sitting here from people who are watching in the studio. there's cameras all around. there's different television screens, and people are able to see from different angles what the audience is seeing we are actually at one point looking at those officers walking freely, of course, walking and you see their faces. what does that feel like to see them begin? >> little bit of fear. you are happy that finally they are getting the walk of shame. but also, you know, the same as the fear of knowing that they do that for the past several months walk freely, you know, not an inkling or thoughts are thinking about this, what we are going through. i stayed at the house for, you know, every day was a struggle. still is. i mean, it was-- it's nowhere
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near what we've been through and what we still have been through. >> michael, how about you? >> it has been a struggle. it has been-- if i had to see them again, i would probably i would probably be scared if i see them again. >> what they did has created that even lasting fear and intimidation. >> yes. yes. >> go ahead. >> well, we are in a historic moment. never, in the history of mississippi have a white law enforcement officers been held accountable to this degree, where they are going to prison for harming blacks, or african- americans. this is never happened in mississippi, all the years of mississippi violence. so, this is a watershed moment and justice, and it is deserved for the horrific nature of the
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crimes that have been committed. >> gentleman, i am honored to meet both of you, and sorry it is for this occasion, but thank god you did not remain silent. >> yes ma'am. >> that this story is being told, and i cannot help but wonder are there other gentlemen who had this experience? thank you for sharing it. and this should never have been. >> no man. >> thank you. >> i only can wish you peace. >> and justice. >> and justice. >> yes ma'am. i can't look at this in a vacuum, by the way, because what was it? a week and half ago that president biden was just talking about emmett till. people keep thinking about this being historical, that this is in the past, the rearview mirror, and a blatant violation of the humanity of black people in mississippi, let alone in parts of this country.
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thank you for sharing today. >> thank you. >> eddie parker, michael jenkins. up ahead, everyone, there is more on our breaking news. the special counsel tonight alerting the judge to an online post from donald trump, in which he is avowing retribution. john dean is going to join us ahead. also justin, there is a development the in the standoff over an ap high school course in florida.
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we are getting this justin, everyone. the florida board of education is out with a letter tonight, saying that an advanced placement psychology will still now be offered in florida high schools. this comes after the college board had issued a warning, where they actually encouraged florida schools not to offer ap psychology.
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that is because the course includes lessons on sexual orientation, and gender identity. lessons that, apparently, could violate the present florida law. the college board said that without those lessons, the ap psych course would not bend the college requirements. joining me as dr. john hubbell junior, an ap psychology teacher in florida. thank you for being here. we are following the twists and turns of the different nuances of what is allowed and not allowed in florida. for many students, they are weeks away from school back in session around the country, but here is what the florida board of education is saying tonight. and i'm going to read this, quote, the department believes that a key psych can be taught in its entire in an age that is appropriate and an age that is listed in our catalog. so, do you think they got assurances that the course does not violate the law and that is
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why they are saying this? >> honestly, no. i think what is actually happening is the department of education is trying to cover their own butts, because there are a lot of people angry with the fact that their child is not going to receive an ap credit if they were to be enrolled in ap psychology. although, the department of education has said that the course can be taught in its entirety, to sweep it under the rug, there are some laws that were recently put into place that any discussion on sexual orientation or gender identity in grades k-12 is not allowed in their the law and the college board has said they would not validate any curriculum with psychology because that is not allowed to be talked about. so even if they were to say ap psychology, the college board would not deem it an ap course on any college transcript at all. >> even thinking about having teachers and administrators
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trying to figure out in real time, if i do this, am i going to violate the law, it is more a conflict with the lawyers and a conversation among your students. pedagogical aspects of this, not really able to be the focus. but the college board responding tonight. and they say, quote, we hope now that florida teachers would be able to teach the full course, including content on gender and sexual orientation, without fear of punishment in the upcoming school year. i have an inkling that you don't think that this issue is now over, even in spite of that statement. >> correct. i don't think this is over. i think the department of education is just trying to cover themselves up, because they know that there are a lot of angry parents. 30,000 kids are supposed to take ap psychology exam. and back to your statement earlier, we actually start school in my district on thursday, august 10th. so, we are scrambling as fast as we can to figure out some
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type of plan as an educator, but i'm going to do with my students. and it is-- it is disheartening to see the department of education try and use a quick fix, when the college board has laid out very clearly that, unless the content can be taught in its entirety, including sexual orientation and gender identity, it will just not be seen as a ap class. >> let me be clear, is this the first time this course has been offered with a different curriculum involved? >> no, this curriculum has been instate for over 30 years. this has never been an issue, this has never been an concern. i thought this would be my eighth year teaching the class, never had a concern about teaching these topics. it is not something that has ever been an issue until recently with the new laws that prohibit discussions on gender identity and sexual orientation, and originally it was kindergarten through third grade, and as of a few weeks ago, i understand it was now
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all classrooms, k-12, where you can't talk about those topics, where is where it violates the peak i saw psychology board. >> 30 years worth, and now all of the sudden. dr. robert, thank you so much for joining us, good luck to you. >> thank you. well, from 30 years to somebody who was really known as once in a lifetime caliber of athletes, simone is making her big return to gymnastics, now two years after stepping away. i will talk with an olympic gold medalist, who will join me to discuss how myles has changed the sport and conversation on mental health. the united states postal service. scout is protected by simparica trio, and he's in it to win it. simparica trio is the first and only chew with triple protection. oh, fleas and ticks ♪
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well, the goat is back. seven-time olympic medalist, mark miles returns to the gymnastics but late this weekend. here she is, practicing for the first meet, since bowing out of the all-around competition tokyo olympics, because of a spatial affliction, known as the twisties. also prioritizing her mental health and physical well-being. joining me now is another star, olympic gold medal gymnast, who is an incredible athlete in her own right. let me tell you as the daughter of a 9-year-old girl i think i failed to appreciate just how dangerous, how skilled and incredible this sport is, and what it requires as a gymnast, as my heart leaps out every single cart will. it has been two years since we saw simone biles in a competition. what are you going to be watching for? >> i actually watched it eclipse from training earlier today, and it was as if note time has
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passed, not even know time has passed, but she has gotten even better, even stronger, more confident, more consistent, and i think that is the most impressive part. especially in a sport like gymnastics, typically, when you age you don't get better. especially on the women's side. so, it is so incredible to be able to see that, and i think she is setting the bar so high for so many other athletes and for them to be able to watch her you know, continue going even after a certain age or a certain amount of success, she truly loves the sport, and i think it is really incredible to watch. >> and, nastia liukin, speaking of raising the bar, you have praised her for prioritizing mental health, and of horse, being strong enough, confident enough in that moment, even though it felt like all eyes were on her to prioritize her safety, knowing how dangerous the sport can be, knowing the skill that is required. how has she changed the
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conversation around mental health? even among the most elite athletes? >> well, you know, what i think she has done obviously at the olympics, but also continue to do is she has really reminded everyone that athletes, we are human, and i think when you watch, you know, somebody like simon, on the olympic stage, and she is doing incredible things, with such ease and everything looks so easy and that is obviously the point, that is what makes a gymnast, but at the end of the day, we are humans, and, you know, we are not robots, we are not machines, and i think both physically, whether it is injuries or whatever it may be, or mentally, i think that is so important that she was able to really think about herself first, and her mental health, because once again she is showing this generation that, you have the rest of your life to live, and that is something that my dad, who was an olympian himself really
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instilled in me, gymnastics is just going to be a short portion of your life, so always think long-term that doesn't mean give up or anything, but let's think about the future, as well as gymnastics, and the next competition. >> and really, what an important point in thinking about that. especially, i hear so often this praise of mental toughness when talking about athletes, the laser focus, but i think now having the conversation expand to acknowledge what mental toughness really means, and it is the strength to be able to prioritize one's mental health to see and have the perspective you just brought, i'm so excited to see simone biles. and to see you. nastia liukin, thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. well, head, everyone, we have more on the breaking news of special counsel, jack smith, now alerting the judge to a truth social post from donald trump. one that bows retribution. cnn tonight is up next, with jim acosta.
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