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tonight, more reports of possible shark sightings off of the coast of new york. the sightings coming a day after a 65-year-old woman was bitten at rockaway beach in new york city. the first shark attack at that location in 70 years. according to police, the woman was standing in the water when she felt a sharp pain on her lower leg. she is believed to have lost about 20 pounds of flesh because of the bite. she was taken to the hospital and said to be in stable condition. at this hour, the beach remains closed and the nypd is scouring the area with drones, looking for sharks. thanks so much for joining us. we'll see you back here tomorrow night. "ac 360" with anderson begins right now. tonight on 360, trump sweating, swearing and ranting in new hampshire, issues a darkly familiar warning about what he'll do in 2024. the future of abortion on the ballot in ohio tonight. results expected any time now in
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a special election that could also signal which way the swing state might go next year. also the brutal fight for ukraine and a tough reality check on the losses ukraine has suffered in their counteroffensive. and later tonight, how the u.s. coast guard hid a damning investigation on sexual assault from public view. the newest development in a story cnn was first to bring you. good evening. thanks so much for joining us. late today, judge tanya chutkan rejected the former president's attorney's attempts to delay a hearing about evidence should be handled in the january 6th case. she set 10:00 friday morning for both sides to make their arguments. a short time earlier, the former president was in new hampshire, cursing in front of a crowd, continuing to lie about the 2020 election, and seemingly suggested he'll likely do it again in 2024. >> they rigged the presidential election in 2020, and we're not going to allow them to rig the presidential election in 2024. we're not going to allow it to
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happen. we're not going to allow it to happen, new hampshire. and you're such an important state. >> just to point out, that man is charged with four felonies which are directly connected to his false statements in 2020 that the election was rigged and the conspiracy he allegedly entered into to overturn it. now he's saying the same about 2024 though it's hard to imagine an indicted alleged felon would be repeating anything even remotely similar to his alleged crime. it was also hard in the fall of 2020 to contemplate in the fall of 2020 any president doing what he ultimately did. ron desantis continued his staff shake-up today, now replacing his campaign manager. we'll show you what else trump said in new hampshire, but first quickly, cnn's paula reid on the legal maneuvering today. what's expected to happen friday morning in d.c. federal court? >> reporter: anderson, this is a significant hearing because this is the first time that trump's defense attorneys and special counsel prosecutors will appear before judge tanya chutkan. the last hearing was handled by a magistrate judge, and
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chutkan's the one who is going to handle all of the hearings up until a likely trial. now, on friday, both sides will have the opportunity to make their arguments about what they think the rules should look like in this case for handling and publicly sharing any sensitive information. prosecutors want pretty broad protections where defense attorneys are seeking something more narrow, protections only for really sensitive information, which they argue would be more in line with what has happened in other january 6th cases. now, judge chutkan is overseeing dozens of cases related to january 6th. she's an experienced judge, been on the bench for about a decade, and it appears, anderson, based on her scheduling order so far, she's looking to move this along pretty quickly. >> what did the former president's team say in a court filing late today about how much time they need to prepare for trial? >> reporter: well, not surprisingly, they're asking for as much time as they can possibly get. they're arguing that they have so much work to do. in their filing today, they
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argued they have to talk to hundreds of witnesses, go to terabytes of electronic information to prepare for this trial. their long game, anderson, is to try to push this trial until after the 2024 election. it's the same strategy that they're applying down in florida. it's unclear, though, if they will be successful in either case. but here they're arguing that this, just like the mar-a-lago documents case, is complex, and they should be afforded much more time to prepare for trial. but judge chutkan, as i said, she's trying to move this along quickly, and she has said she wants to set a trial date at their next hearing, which is on august 28th. >> paula reid, thanks for the legal update. more now on what the former president said today and why it matters. cnn's kristen holmes is in new hampshire. >> reporter: former president donald trump today attacked the special counsel while campaigning in the critical early state of new hampshire. >> they call him deranged jack smith. >> reporter: days after being arraigned on allegations he tried to overturn the 2020
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election, despite knowing he lost. >> there was never a second of any day that i didn't believe that that election was rigged. it was a rigged election. >> reporter: trump slammed efforts from prosecutors to limit what evidence could be publicly shared in trump's case. >> i will talk about it. i will. they're not taking my first amendment right. >> reporter: as he faces increasing legal jeopardy, trump remains the gop front-runner, claiming the charges would hinder his bid for the white house. >> i'm sorry. i won't be able to go to iowa today. i wroent be able to go to new hampshire today because i'm sitting in a courtroom on bullshit. >> reporter: some supporters of the former president say they aren't fazed by his legal issues. >> i think every time he's indicted, he gets stronger and stronger. i feel we have a two-tiered system, and we need to go back to a one-tiered system. >> reporter: trump's rivals also hit the trail in the granite state tuesday as they seek to gain traction with gop voters. as his campaign seeks a reboot,
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florida governor ron desantis replaced his campaign manager, part of a continued shake-up of his team. and with a little more than two weeks until the first gop debate in milwaukee, former vice president mike pence had qualified to take the stage. trump has still not decided if he'll participate in the debate and has been polling his allies and supporters. >> should i do the debate? maybe we'll do something else. you know, some people say yes, but they hate to say it because it doesn't make sense. >> kristen, what did the former president say about potentially being indicted on election interference charges in fulton county, georgia. >> reporter: well, anderson, he used the opportunity to attack the district attorney, fani willis, saying she was a racist, she was only launching this investigation, potentially bringing these charges because she aspired to a higher political office. and of course he said what he's
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said time and time again, that it was perfect. his behavior in georgia was perfect. the phone call asking the secretary of state to find votes was a perfect phone call. but i will note one thing, anderson. i heard a defense tonight that i hadn't heard from him directly before when it related to georgia. it's something that his lawyers have said in the january 6th case. he said it was everything within his right to ask questions, to question the results of the 2020 election in georgia, and that's all he was doing. of course that's something now we have heard his lawyers saying in the january 6th case, that that's all he was doing was questioning the results of the election. so clearly some indication that that will be what that defense looks like as well, anderson. >> joining us now, three political commentators for cnn. scott, how concerned should republican candidates and voters alike be that the former president seems to be telegraphing what he'll do if he loses again in 2024? >> well, the republicans should be concerned about the fact that today he looks like he is the
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odds-on favorite for the republican nomination, and there is a real chance, if you look at the way the calendar is laid out, that he could become the de facto nominee of the party, then basically become a convicted -- not basically, actually become a convicted felon, then become the actual nominee of the party at the convention in late summer. it will put the party in a hell of a bind because there's a huge cohort of republicans and americans who are simply not going to consider voting for a convicted felon. now, the trump team, maybe they beat some of this. i don't know. if i were him, i'd want a chance to try to beat it. his lawyers seem to want to delay it. for him at this point, the campaign is his defense, and his defense is the campaign. it ensures that the campaign is going to be about nothing but him and everything related to him, and that's not what voters in suburban areas, in georgia, pennsylvania, wisconsin, and arizona are going to want to hear next year, i don't think. >> paul, how critical do you think this hearing is on friday? if there are rules set about what evidence can be talked about, this is about, you know,
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intimidating potential witnesses. this could lead to some very strange situations. >> well, it could. it could also lead to a good first amendment argument from donald trump. i'm not a trump fan, but it is important that politicians have a very wide strike zone to criticize their opponents. i suspect the judge knows that. she's a very well-respected judge. he cannot intimidate. to me, the line is when you say things like, if you go after me, i'm coming after you. >> which he's already said. >> right. that's a veiled threat. but most of this, i'm sorry. he's allowed to call jack smith, the prosecutor, deranged. he has to have that first amendment right. again, i say this as somebody who is a strong trump dollars l -- disliker. i'm struck by the whining tone of this. when i was a kid, republicans were tough, man. ronald reagan got shot, and he never complained. john mccain was tortured, and he
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never complained. this guy, he's powerful, he's privileged, he's wealthy, and all he does is whine. and god help him, the republicans seem to love that. i don't know why. i prefer joe biden, who has experienced more pain than anybody i know, and never complains because he's always saying i'm going to fight for you. don't worry about me. >> alice, what did you make of trump today in new hampshire? >> i think paul hit the nail on the head. you know, trump is fighting for himself. he's not fighting for republicans, and he's certainly not fighting for americans across the country. and to scott's point, this is something that should be concerning to republicans. while the former president is the titular head right now of the party, that's not a winning message in a general election. and he has made it very clear that his campaign is going to be on the indictments against him. other republicans are out there in iowa and new hampshire, they're talking about jobs and the economy and safety and national security. donald trump is talking about rigged elections, what he calls b.s. indictments, and
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overzealous prosecutors. that is his one-trick pony in this campaign, and that's not a good way to win a general election. my guess, it's just a matter of time. he will continue to go after jack smith and the prosecutors. his new mantra will be "knock it off" instead of "lock her up." that's what we're going to be hearing from maga supporters if he continues this messaging, which he clearly will be. >> paul, ron desantis has gotten rid of his campaign manager. is that where the problem lies? >> yeah, it's always -- they always blame the monkey, not the organ grinder. >> in tv, before the anchor goes, it's the producer who gets fired. >> right. believe me -- look, here's the problem. here you're launching a new dog food, and you had the best veterinarians and nutritionists and farmers and butchers and marketers and advertising people, and you pour it in the bowl, and the dog just don't eat
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it. ron desantis has a dog food problem, and it's not going to get better by firing the campaign manager. >> scott, is the candidate the problem? >> well, i think donald trump is the problem, and the second problem is fragmentation. desantis and the rest of them all have the same issue. half or just slightly more than half of the party want to do trump again, and the people that don't are fragmented. you know, desantis has most of them or the plurality of them. but there's lots of other candidates out there who are still pulling 1% to 6%. until desantis scares or runs everyone else out of the race, trump benefiting from this fragmentation is not going to go away, particularly if he continues to hover around 50 or above 50. i think desantis is in better shape in the state polls in iowa than he is in some of the national polls right now. but there is no path to victory for desantis or anyone else as long as donald trump is sitting around 50%. i mean he could win it with 40%, and the trump team will tell you
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they feel very comfortable with his position in these states because he's well above the floor they think they need to be to capture the nomination. he doesn't need a majority of the votes in the republican primary. he just needs enough vote, and right now he's well above that line. >> alice, scott mentioned the national polls versus state polls. it's a point chris christie made to me last night. governor sununu made it on the program the other night. don't look at national polls. look at new hampshire, look at iowa polls. trump doesn't look as strong there. it's a closer margin. do you buy that? >> well, the problem is we've even seen an iowa poll where trump is still 20 points ahead of desantis. so the real question is whether we're talking about national polls or statewide polls, are they an accurate reflection of what we're seeing on the ground? i'm talking with political leaders and evangelicals in iowa and new hampshire, and they say what they see and feel and hear from voters is not reflected in the polls. they see more people are looking elsewhere from donald trump and looking to candidates, whether
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it is desantis or tim scott or vivek. look, there's so much headlines and so much palace intrigue and policy conversations about the shuffling of the deck and the desantis campaign. i can tell you this. if you're ever going to change your staff, now is the time to do so. and i note james, the person that has just been moved as campaign manager, he is a trusted person in the desantis world. he also can handle the organizational aspects of this. david polyansky, the deputy campaign manager, i've worked with him on two campaigns. he knows how to win an iowa caucus. he knows how to deal with the policy and the strategy. so in my view, from a reorganization standpoint, he's in good shape. he's got the people in place, and he's really traveling the state of iowa. so this is a good time to push the reset button, and we're seeing more from him as well as these others. we're seeing them inch up in the polls, and it's not looking as
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ideal for donald trump as he would like to think. >> chris christie made the point to me last night that if some other candidate wins in either new hampshire or iowa, it's game over for trump. it's a game-changer. you know, the emperor has no clothes. do you think that's true? >> i think governor christie is actually setting the bar too high for the trump opponents. i think even if you get close because he does have such a dominant lead. and christie is moving up in new hampshire. the polling in new hampshire shows chris christie moving up, ron desantis fading. it seems to me, desantis only needs three new advisers, the father, the son, and the holy ghost. he ain't got a prayer. watch chris christie. i've been impressed by him on his town hall. i've been impressed by tim scott, who is very, very conservative, but he just doesn't hate me, and that's sort of appealing. it's old reagan. >> he might hate you, paul. he's just not saying it. he's too polite. >> he just doesn't know you yet.
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>> paul, you're very likable. thank you so much, appreciate it, all of you. coming up, growing concerns western allies have about ukraine's counteroffensive and the toll it is taking on ukrainian forces. also, a troubling follow-up to exclusive cnn reporting. concealed sexual assaults at the coast guard academy. tonight, another cnn exclusive. what the former head of the coast guard academy told us about the investigation he launched and expected would be released and what our investigation revealed about how it may have been covered up instead. plus, the latest on the special election in ohio. polls closed about 45 minutes ago. we're awaiting results ahead. oh, oh, oh...i'll be the judge of that.
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long before russian forces invaded, it was understood they outnumbered and outgunned ukrainian forces. so when ukrainian troops managed early on to roll back a good deal of that invasion force, hopes were high they could quickly finish the job. it's not worked out that way. new reporting tonight that there's growing concern among western allies about ukraine's counteroffensive and its fate. in a moment, we'll talk to a retired three-star general for his take. first, the exclusive reporting from cnn's jim sciutto. what are you hearing from your sources about what they believe ukraine's prospects are right now? >> reporter: a markedly negative term, anderson. these are sources i've been speaking to since the start of the counteroffensive but even going back to the start of the war. and expectations of this
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counteroffensive were quite high going back just a few weeks ago. but in recent weeks, as ukrainian forces have encountered really intense russian defenses in the east and the south, three lines of defensive lines, defensive belts as they're known, with trenches as you're seeing there. tens of thousands of mines. ukrainian forces have not proven able to break through those lines. they've encountered staggering losses, i'm told, both in terms of killed in action and wounded in action. and ukrainian commanders in response to that understandably have pulled back some of those units to save some of those casualties. and while even a few weeks ago, the hope was that over time, they'd be able to break through, more recently, the assessments both on this side of the atlantic but also in europe have been that they don't quite see the opportunity. so that hope has faded, not
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entirely faded, but it has certainly become a much less hopeful outlook for their prospects for success in gaining back significant territory. >> this also takes into account, i mean there were a large number of ukrainian forces trained for a length of time by u.s. forces in sort of combined weapons tactics and movement. >> reporter: yeah. >> na that still has not been a to deal with the trench system, the mining, the defensive system that russia had time to set up. >> reporter: no, and what i'm hearing is that the expectations may simply have been too high. when you look at the training for some of these newly supplied western weapons, for instance, german leopard tanks, you're seeing maybe eight weeks of training. that is not a lot of time, and the thinking is from speaking to military officials, also diplomats, is that the idea of turning ukrainian armed forces into a capable, credible,
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mechanized fighting unit in that short length of time may have been a bridge too far. that even with advanced western weapons and training from the best in the business, right, that the time frame was short. and that even for the best u.s. combat brigades, months, years of training still make it difficult to break through these kinds of lines. so with weeks of training, it just may have been too high a hope. >> you also mentioned your reporting that the western officials feared this slow counteroffensive could cause a gap amongst ukrainian officials. what's the concern? >> reporter: well, you're already hearing it, right? i was in aspen for the security forum just a couple of weeks ago. the ukrainian president spoke there, and at the time, he said, listen, we'd like to have proceeded more quickly, but we didn't get the weapons and the training soon enough, point something fire, as it were, at the west for not moving quickly enough to support this counteroffensive. you're hearing more of that. the concern is that the unity of the alliance, both among western
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partners and nato, but also with their ukrainian partners, that a blame game emerges as one official described it to me. and that's a problem, right, because unity is important, not just in terms of standing up to russian aggression in ukraine, but also maintaining political support, military support, et cetera. a lot of this is bubbling up under the surface, and the fear is that it bubbles up above the surface and creates divisions that make it more difficult to provide that support going forward. >> jim sciutto, fascinating reporting. thank you. very concerning obviously. cnn military analyst mark hertling has been following developments closely. he tweets extensively about what goes on in a successful military operation. also with us, william taylor, former ambassador to ukraine. general hertling, the idea that there are staggering losses and difficulty and inability to break through the multiple defensive lines that russia has set up, that does not sound
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good. >> it doesn't sound good to the uninitiated, anderson, but you remember, you and i talked about this multiple times dating back to the march/april time frame where i suspected when you're talking about a force that's going on the offensive for the first time with a very large conventional force, with new weapons, with soldiers who have been reconstituted, and we're talking about ukraine now, with tactics they haven't used before, they haven't completely transformed the military, against the kinds of things that russia has put in place over an eight-month period of time, remember, russia started mining and setting trenches starting back in october of last year. so they had about eight or nine months to set the defensive conditions. and it's just very difficult. so what you have right now is a ukrainian unit, an offensive,
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over a very large front, between 400 and 600 miles, equal to the distance between washington and boston that they're attacking against, against an enemy who has had eight months to prepare, three extensive obstacle belts. that's tough. i have tried to do that when the enemy is just setting up obstacles in a day's time. when i say enemy, i'm talking about the opposing force at our training centers. and any brigade commander will tell you this mission, an offensive against a defending enemy, is the toughest one that there is. i failed multiple times. i watched multiple u.s. brigades fail in this kind of mission, learned tough lessons, and try and reapply it. so it's just very hard. this is combat, and truthfully, as much as ukraine wanted to turn into a desert storm-like force from the very beginning, when you're talking about the offense, it's much different than the defense they had for the first couple months of the
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conflict. >> ambassador taylor, how concerned are you about this? >> so, anderson, we were in kyiv last month and the month before. the foreign minister made the point that others have made as w well, and that is this is not the last battle. the ukrainians are in this for the long term. they hope they can send it soon. by the way, general hertling is exactly right. the line from washington to boston, that's the line, and the ukrainians only have to find one place along that line to break through whereas the russians have to defend everywhere along that line. so the ukrainians know what they need to do. they know it's hard. they also know that there are more weapons coming. they know that aircraft are coming. again, if they don't win this battle, they'll win the next one. and if they don't win that one, they'll keep fighting, anderson. they are not giving up. >> so, general hertling, was it
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a mistake to devote the time to try to retrain forces in new methods? i read one account that said, you know, if they were able to break through those lines, those kind of combined movement operations -- i don't know the exact term for it -- but, you know, smaller units making decisions, not sort of the huge hierarchy and also moving in conjunction with artillery, with air support, things like that, that if they were able to break through somewhere, those new tactics would be beneficial. >> yeah. it's a mix, anderson. you know, i've said for a long time that the united states can't impart -- the western forces can't impart their way of war on a ukrainian force that truthfully has a post-soviet bias. they grew up in the soviet force where artillery was king. so truthfully, they wanted this new equipment. they wanted to transform their
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ground force. they are taking the first steps. and like ambassador taylor, i believe they will eventually get there. they're not there yet. this is a hard fight. i mean there's no other way to put it, and all of the western analysts that jim was quoting a minute ago, i would bet none of the people he's talked to have been on the battlefield attempting to do the kinds of things the ukrainian force is trying to do right now. i agree with ambassador taylor. ukraine is going to continue to win this fight, but it is not going to be a quick victory because combat is not a video game. >> so how does a force evolve, i mean, in this situation? is it more training? is it the new weapons that the ambassador was talking about? is it going back to tactics that may have worked for them before? >> i think it's a little bit of a mix. they will continue to use artillery. we have given them the cluster munitions that will help. they won't be a game-changer, but it will be ammunition that they can use against defensive
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position. but they are also learning as they grow, too, anderson. you know, at our training centers, we say we learn and grow every day, and that even kind of absconds the fact that we're failing on many times and getting scar tissue. the ukrainians are learning how to conduct operations against these very intense and dense, complex obstacle belts. they will continue to learn and grow. they will find ways to overcome. they have a good morale in their force. they have great leaders, things that the russians do not have. >> ambassador taylor, there was this ukraine peace summit in saudi arabia last week. china opted to send a delegation. any takeaway from that in your opinion? >> the chinese showing up for that is amazing, anderson. that's a demonstration that the chinese are, i think, starting to edge away, trying to edge away from the russians. i mean they know -- so the ukrainians -- it was the ukrainian idea to have this summit, and the chinese knew it, and all the other 41 nations
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knew it. they knew that the ukrainians were going to make the presentation that president zelenskyy has made. and it says once the russians are out of their country, they'll sit down and negotiate, and territorial integrity, which means russians out of the country, was agreed by all of those nations apparently according to the discussions. >> both of you, i appreciate it. thank you so much. coming next, ohio and the latest on tonight's special election where turnout is said to be high. the outcome could have far-reaching effects on the availability of abortion in that state. that starts working in 30 minutes, while other allergrgy sprays take hours. with astepro's unbeatably fast allergy relief you can astepro and go! oh, oh, oh...i'll be the judge of that.
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we have breaking news tonight out of ohio in the
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special election there. right now on the question of raising the threshold for amending the state constitution, which would make it harder to enshrine abortion rights constitutionally in november. no is coming in at 67.9%. yes, just 32.1% with 26% of the vote counted. national correspondent jeff zeleny joins us from a viewing party in the state capital, columbus, ohio, with the latest. polls closed more than an hour ago. this is a little bit confusing because it's not directly voting on abortion in the state. can you just explain what the vote is and where it's at right now? >> reporter: anderson, it's not, and it's effectively a two-step process. the vote today is a simple question, asking ohio voters if they would like to use a simple majority or a super majority to decide a question in november. and the question in november is, should abortion rights be enshrined in the state's constitution? the reason that this election is being held today is because republican leaders here are
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perhaps fearful of a simple majority being able to support and approve an abortion rights measure are trying to raise the threshold. they're trying to raise the threshold to make any amendment of the constitution a 60% requirement, which is obviously a much higher hurdle. so the vote today is simply on that question. should there be a higher threshold of support needed to change the abortion measure as well as other measures down the line. but i can tell you, anderson, we are here at the vote no headquarters, and there is a lot of enthusiasm and excitement because of those early voting numbers you mentioned. these are early votes they have banked essentially, but we are going to wait for more same-day votes to come in before giving any type of full picture here. >> as we have those numbers on the screen, just to be clear, voting "no" means basically somebody is likely a supporter
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of abortion rights, meaning they do not want the threshold to amend the state constitution to be raised? >> reporter: that is largely right, but i can tell you, anderson, talking to a variety of voters, there were several republicans, several others who simply did not approve of this process. they did not approve of what they believe were some republican leaders trying to call a summer special election, in their view to slip this through. so we saw several former republican governors who, in fact, are opposed to abortion rights in most cases campaigning on the "no" side. so we can draw some inferences that the vote "no" is made up of a big coalition that includes a lot of abortion rights supporters, but not entirely here. that's why this is so interesting. it's also a reminder that the actual election -- sure, a lot of money has been spent, about $25 million, $26 million on both sides of this. but this is only the beginning.
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now a cnn exclusive. in late june, our pamela brown was first to report on a secret investigation of the u.s. coast guard academy that went unreleased for years, detailing decades of alleged rapes and assaults. it revealed the dark history of sexual misconduct at the academy. now a former coast guard commandant is speaking exclusively to cnn about the failure to reveal the findings in the report. more from pamela brown. >> reporter: when the head of the coast guard was nearing retirement in 2018, he prepared the admiral who was taking his place. >> so i'd sit down with my successor and say, here are all the things, you know, budgetarily, but this was a big one. >> reporter: the big one was a massive scandal that was only starting to be understood. an explosive investigation into sexual assault at the coast guard academy. >> i said, hey, we've got this investigation going on. there was no confusion
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whatsoever of the priority placed upon this. >> reporter: the admiral told cnn in this exclusive interview that there was no question that the results of the investigation he launched would eventually need to be made public. >> it was my intent to be the public face of this event as the senior leader of the coast guard. and i regret we were not able to complete it during my watch. >> reporter: but once the investigation was completed a couple years later, his successor, admiral carl schultz, did not release the results as expected. instead, schultz, the leader at the time, helped cover up the whole thing for years. schultz would not speak to cnn. the report, dubbed operation felled anchor, found dozens of cases of sexual abuse and rape at the academy from the late '80s to 2006 that leaders ignored or mishandled. it was kept hidden until cnn reported it in june. by keeping the report secret,
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the coast guard avoided the type of intense scrutiny that could have forced more change in the handling of sexual assaults. >> it was completely toxic and devastating to my sense of self. >> reporter: cnn has talked to more than two dozen women and men who say they were sexually assaulted while at the coast guard academy, including this former cadet, who recently graduated. >> so you have to wonder if they had released this report, if they had done more to crack down on sexual assaults, how your experience would have been different. >> you know, i often find myself wondering what my future would have been like. time and time again, the academy and the institution don't protect their people. >> at a bare minimum, we owed it to these victims to provide some sense of emotional closure. >> reporter: exactly why schultz didn't release the report is still a question. there were plans for a capitol hill briefing on operation
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felled anchor in late 2018 according to a memo viewed by cnn. but that apparently never happened. >> for an investigation of this magnitude and the number of events, this rises to the very top of the organization. you know, this isn't a mid-level staff decision. >> reporter: members of congress even asked schultz about sexual assault in the coast guard in a remote hearing in 2021, but he still failed to mention the investigation. >> we want to bring accountability to all matters. we want to prevent sexual assaults. >> reporter: and according to sources, he and his team also kept the report hidden from leaders at the department of homeland security, which oversees the coast guard. >> i, again, apologize to each victim, survivor, their loved ones. >> reporter: the coast guard didn't come clean until just over a month ago when schultz's successor, admiral linda fagan testified at a heated hearing and announced she was launching a 90-day investigation. >> we failed the committee when
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we did not disclose in 2020. when the cnn investigation started asking questions, that was when i first became aware of the totality of the fouled anchor. >> reporter: senators said in a letter to the coast guard that that failure to disclose conflicted with legal requirements for reports on sexual assault at the academy to be shared with congress. >> this episode is probably the most shameful and disgraceful of cover-up of sexual assault that i have seen in the united states military ever. >> reporter: ironically, the final report on operation felled anchor show the coast guard academy's reputation took precedence over concern for the victim, and former officials tell cnn that's exactly what happened again when the report was hidden. >> if you read through the investigation, there were conscious decisions made by leadership at the coast guard academy, maybe trying to protect the image of the coast guard, you know, loyalty to an institution and not doing what's honorable to a victim of sexual
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assault. >> pamela joins us now. this is such incredible reporting by you and your team here at cnn. it's remarkable to me. we heard the current commandant apologizing and saying to congress that it wasn't until the cnn reporting, until your report, that she understood the totality of the operation, which i'm not exactly sure what the word totality means. but is there any other response from the coast guard? >> reporter: clearly she chose her words carefully there saying totality. we should note the coast guard officials didn't comment on schultz's involvement, but they want to make it clear that the current commandant, admiral linda fagan, was not briefed on the investigation when she took office like her predecessor was. however, cnn's reporting does show that there are other people who currently work at the coast guard who were involved in the operation. you mentioned the team working on this, really a team effort,
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digging into this cover-up at the coast guard. anderson. >> incredible reporting. pamela brown, thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up next, the new co-defendant in the mar-a-lago documents case, carlos de oliveira, will appear in federal court this week for arraignment. what we now know about his role at mar-a-lago and in the special counsel's investigation, coming up. it's a mess out there. that's why there's 85% more tide in every power pod.d. -see? -baby: ah. oh, booking.com ♪ somewhere, anywhere... ♪ ♪ i just want to lie motionless in a chair! ♪ booking.com, booking.yeah ♪ ♪
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this thursday mar-a-lago property manager carlos de oliveira goes before a federal judge for his arraignment on charges he tried to help the former president hide secret documents. a grand jury indicted him on four charges including conspiracy to obstruct justice. more on the case with randi kaye. >> reporter: page 24 of the allegations laid out in the superseding indictment we find the first mention of carlos de oliveira's name. there it describes how de oliveira and walt nauta, a trump aide and co-defendant in the classified documents case, allegedly moved 30 boxes from trump's residence at mar-a-lago to his storage room on june 2nd last year. weeks later on june 22nd the department of justice emailed an attorney for donald trump's
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business, a draft grand jury subpoena, for certain security camera footage from the mar-a-lago club including footage from the ground floor where a storage room was located. the next day june 23rd according to the indictment trump called carlos de oliveira, the club's property manager, at 8:46 p.m. the two spoke for about 24 minutes. the indictment does not offer any details about what was said during that conversation. the day after that, the justice department sent the final subpoena. according to the indictment, on the evening of june 25th last year, de oliveira and nauta went to the security guard booth where surveillance video is displayed on monitors. the indictment alleges they walked with a flashlight through the tunnel where the storage room was located and pointed out surveillance cameras. two days later on the morning of june 27th, 2022, the superseding indictment describes how de oliveira took someone identified as trump employee 4 to a small room known as the audio closet. two people close to the
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investigation identify employee 4 to cnn as i.t. director yuscil taveras. according to the indictment de oliveira asked taveras how many days the server retained footage. he responded approximately 45 days, he believed. the indictment alleged de oliveira told the i.t. worker that the boss wanted the server deleted. taveras responded he did not believe he would have the rights to do that. the indictment says de oliveira asked, what are we going to do? later that day, de oliveira walked through the bushes on the northern edge of the mar-a-lago property to meet with nauta on an adjacent property, the indictment says and walked back to the i.t. office he visited that morning and then once again thre through the bushes to meet nauta again. within hours the indictment says trump called de oliveira and the two men spoke for approximately 3 1/2 minutes. just over two weeks after the fbi discovered classified documents in the storage room and trump's office at
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mar-a-lago, nauta called a person decided in the i'm only as trump employee 5 and said words to the effect of, someone just wants to make sure carlos is good. in response, the indictment alleges that employee told nauta that de oliveira was loyal and that he would not do anything to affect his relationship with trump. that same day, according to the indictment, trump called de oliveira and told de oliveira that he would get him an attorney. and, anderson, according to the indictment de oliveira was interviewed by the fbi earlier this year in january of his home. it was a voluntary interview, and it was recorded and according to the indictment he was asked about trump's boxes and the location of them. the indictment says that de oliveira denied knowing about the boxes of documents and moving them. here's the problem according to the indictment, de oliveira, quote, personally observed and helped move those boxes when they arrived at mar-a-lago in january of 2021.
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it's also why we're seeing this false statement charge that he's faced with now for allegedly lying to the fbi but one other quick note, that employee number 4, yuscil taveras, the i.t. worker, we did reach out, cnn reached out to his attorney for comment and that attorney declined comment. >> randi, appreciate it. quick update on the ohio special election whether to raise the threshold for amending the constitution which could come into play with 34% of the vote no is still ahead at 63.1%. yes has 36.9%. we'll continue to follow counting the vote throughout the night. just ahead, mourners in ireland remember sinead o'connor who was buried today .
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