♪ good morning, everyone. we're so glad you're with us. it is tuesday, august 15th. we're following huge breaking news overnight. donald trump has been indicted again. this time by a grand jury in fulton county, georgia. the former president is facing

13 felony charges for trying to overturn his 2020 election loss in the state. >> it's worth noting he is not alone this time. 18 codefendants also charged in this indictment. including rudy giuliani and mark meadows. they're all facing rico racketeering charges which are traditionally used to prosecute ma mafia bosses and gang leaders. fani willis ordered them to turn themselves in by next friday. >> overnight trump slammed the indictment and said it was politically inspired to disrupt his presidential run. >> this is trump's fourth criminal indictment. he is now facing a total of 91, 91 charges in georgia, florida, new york, and washington, d.c. we have a lot to get to. "cnn this morning" special live coverage starts right now. good morning, everyone.

live, fulton county courthouse where a grand jury has indicted donald trump and 18 codefendants for their alleged scheme to overturn the 2020 election loss in georgia. a look at the newspaper headlines across the nation this morning. the atlanta journal constitution's front page, photo of trump surrounded by all his 18 alleged coconspirators. we have team coverage this morning on nick valencia joins us live outside of that courthouse in fulton county courthouse. elie honig standing by to break down all the new charge. we have our political experts with us to weigh in. let's begin with nick at the courthouse. nick, good morning to you. so now trump has until next friday a week from this friday to surrender, right? >> reporter: that's right. and he called this a politically-motivated investigation. he tried to get his supporters here in the streets. we didn't see any yesterday. security was taken very seriously in part because of that explosive rhetoric. at the end of the day, though, fani willis got what she wanted.

trump has been indicted yet again. >> a fulton county grand jury returned a true bill of indictment. >> reporter: the 98-page indictment lists 41 felony counts against former president trump and 18 codefendants to overturn georgia's 2020 presidential election results. accusing them of, quote, unlawfulfully conspired and endeavor to conduct and participate in a criminal enterprise. trump charged with 13 counts in the indictment. >> every individual charged in the indictment is charged with one count of violating georgia's racketeer influenced and corrupt organization's act through participation in a criminal enterprise in fulton county, georgia, and elsewhere to accomplish the illegal goal of allowing donald j. trump to seize the presidential term of

office beginning on january 20th, '21. >> reporter: the indictment also included an additional 30 unindicted coconspirators in addition to the charged defendant. in a statement, trump's attorneys calling the grand jury presentation, quote, one sided and the events of monday, quote, shocking and absurd. ohio representative jim jordan a trump ally tweeting out he did nothing wrong and house speaker kevin mccarthy saying justice should be blind, but biden has weaponized government against his leading political opponent to interfere in the 2024 election. >> but it was a very intense meeting. >> reporter: geoff duncan, former georgia lieutenant governor on his testimony before an atlanta grand jury. >> i can tell you that there was the highest level of attention in that room from folks with the district attorney's office through the jurors. it was just an extremely intense period of time. and everybody was prepared. >> reporter: the indictments

stem from a 2.5 year criminal investigation into trump's alleged interference in the 2020 georgia presidential election. including his call to georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger. >> i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. because we won the state. >> reporter: to the fake electors to convened to cast illegitimate votes for trump. the investigation also accuses multiple defendants of harassment of election workers and a voting system's breach in rural coffee county. >> i want to try him and be respectful for our sovereign states. >> reporter: and while fulton county district attorney fani willis says she intends to try the 19 defendants together, it's up to the judge on when the trial will proceed. >> we do want to move this case along and so, we will be asking for a proposed order that occurs, trial date within the next six months. >> reporter: the former president is facing a flurry of legal filings and legal issues. for some it's hard to keep up.

but this is more than just about his so-called perfect phone call with georgia secretary of state. this according to fani willis is about an orchestrated and organized effort to pressure georgia lawmakers in fulton county election workers to overturn legitimate results. phil and poppy, trump and his codefendants have until august 25th to turn themselves in. >> nick valencia live outside the fulton county courthouse. thank you. poppy. >> let's go through all of this with elie honig. good morning. great to have you. walk us through first who got charged. >> poppy, the fourth indictment has now landed. just to orient people because there's so many of these. let's take a moment. we have seen the new york state charge relating to hush money that indictment came back in april. the two jack smith federal cases in d.c. and mar-a-lago, florida, those have already been indicted. now we have the indictment in georgia state court for the attempt to interfere with the georgia results of the 2020 election. so, this indictment is a big one. there are 19 different people

charged here in 41 counts. again, we're under georgia state law here. so let's look at who these 19 defendants are. donald trump, of course, the first defendant listed. he is front and center. everything in this case, not surprisingly, revolves around him. this one is a surprise. mark meadows. >> he's not in the federal indictment. >> not in the federal indictment. >> where is he in the federal indictment? he is charged in the georgia indictment a bit of history, too. second time we have ever seen a white house chief of staff criminally charged. the first, of course, was mr. haldiman back in the watergate indictment. eight lawyers, poppy, are charged with crimes in this indictment. notable rudy giuliani. he's been subpoenaed. he's been in the news a lot. he's been sued. he's been investigated and now criminally indicted. a former federal prosecutor. these five lawyers are all listed as coconspirators in jack myth's federal investigation, not charged but listed as coconspirator. the lawyers are the engines

here. according to the indictment, so 34 of these schemes ran through, created by, executed by these eight lawyers. >> so what does that mean for defense of counsel, advice of counsel defense then? >> yeah. complicates things. if donald trump wants to say i relied on what these folks told me to do, well, the allegation is they were in on the crime with him. if prosecutors can prove that, that will overcome the advice of counsel defense. then we have the other people who were indictmented. worth noting, three people who signed fake elector certificates out of 16 total. she is being selected who she is charging and charged a former trump campaign official, couple people involved in intimidation of some of the poll workers and trying to get them to shape their testimony. and then finally two people who were involved in that breach of the election system that we just learned about we broke the news here on cnn a couple days ago. you add it all up, 19 defendants in this one indictment.

>> what are the other opponents of this story struck you reading through it? >> lead charge, count one, all 19 defendants are charged with racketeering under georgia state law. this is so important because it's such a powerful tool for prosecutors. this group is identified in the indictment as a, quote, criminal enterprise with donald trump at the head of it. and the indictment lays out 161 acts, conduct, that this enterprise engaged in. not all of them are crimes standing alone, but they're all part of the illegal conspiracy. big thing we have to know, five-year mandatory minimum. anyone who gets -- >> in prison? >> in prison. no probation, judge can't do anything about it. anyone who gets convicted of this will go away for five years. that is georgia law. >> unless they're successful and appeal. >> unless they went on appeal. exactly. now the indictment has other counts of forgery, false statements, obstruction. they break down into a few different chapters. first, false statements to the state legislature. we remember rudy giuliani lied to the georgia state assembly --

>> we'll be joined by one of the georgia lawmakers who was there when he did this. >> this is right in the indictment. you will have plenty of important questions to ask. solicitation of state officials. the most famous example, of course, the infamous phone call to brad raffensperger, need you to find 11,780 votes. 3 of the 16 folks have been charged as indictment. the lawyers were instrumental in putting this together. harassment and intimidation of election workers and then lying about them in official documents and to the assembly. we remember ms. moss and ms. freeman. solicitation of the united states justice department. jeffly clark, the lawyer we saw before and remember donald trump tried to get high-ranking officials, one official took a note that trump said just say the election was corrupt. leave the rest to me and the republican congressman. solicitation of mike pence. breach of those voting machines which we talked about the other day and finally, obstruction of justice. and obstruction of governmental

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results in georgia. fox news digital last night trump slammed fulton county d.a. fani willis saying, quote, it's a continuation of the greatest and long-running witch hunt in american history. joinings now is alayna treene from washington. we have been talking about your reporting this morning and what's going on behind the scenes there. we know the play book, to some degree, is anything different with indictment number four? >> reporter: it's not phil and poppy. they have done this now three times before. they think that play book is working. and so they're going to continue to use it, his advisers tell me. they'll label as a political persecution and argue that the district attorney is going after him as an effort to interfere in the 2024 presidential election. donald trump himself has been arguing that they are attacking him because he is doing so well in the polls. as we have seen with the previous indictments, donald trump personally is trying to speak about this.

he gave that interview with fox news and railed against these charges. he said, quote, this politically inspired indictment which could have been brought close to three years was tailored for placement right smack the middle of my political campaign where i am leading all republicans by a lot and beating joe biden soundly in almost all polls. now, phil and poppy, i'm also told that donald trump's team was prepared for this indictment. as they have done with the previous charges that he's faced throughout the past several months, they had been preparing his surrogates and allies, readying his defenders with pre-written statements and talking points so that they were immediately ready to respond to these charges. and we did see his allies do just that last night. house speaker kevin mccarthy called the charges a desperate sham. jim jordan argued that donald trump did nothing wrong. this is the kind of rhetoric they want and they want his allies to continue rallying around him and defending him at this time.

>> do you think this indictment actually coming down in the way that it did changes what happens next week in terms of what trump does? does he go to the debate on wednesday night by friday he has to turn himself in. >> right. no, it's a great question. i mean, from all indications that i have gotten from donald trump's team, i do think he'll be making a statement about the debate. i don't really see this changing his decision-making process, at least from my conversations i had with his advisers yesterday and last night. it doesn't seem likely that he's really interested in debating at this point. that could change, of course. but again, we do know that they see the political advantages of these charges, at least in the short term. they're going to fund raise off of this and continue talking about this, but at the same time, we do know that donald trump does not want to be indicted. he is very frustrated by the mounting legal troubles he faces. and so i think you're going to continue to see that as well play out a little bit behind the scenes, poppy and phil. >> alayna treene, thank you.

a lot of numbers to keep track of this morning. former president trump is now facing his fourth criminal case in four different jurisdictions. when you tally all the charges up, 91 of them against the former president. >> and in georgia, specifically, he is facing 13 counts. the indictment alleges trump and 18 other defendants, quote, unlawfully conspired and endeavored to conduct and participate in a criminal enterprise after trump lost the election in georgia. in all, in georgia, there are 41 criminal counts. joining us now cnn political commentator, bakari sellers, scott jennings and elie honig. i keep -- don't give me that look, scott. i think throughout the course of this morning it's the pause and think, 91 charges over the course of four-plus months. there's no precedent for any of them for a former president. he's leading the republican

primary by 25 to 30 plus points. no one is attacking him that's anywhere close to him in polling on these indictments. scott jennings, why not? >> well, because more than half of the republican party, maybe 55% of the republican party, sees this presidential campaign as a referendum on the treatment of donald trump. and that's the primary electorate. now the general election electorate will see it much differently. they'll see a referendum on how their lives are going and the economy and so on and so forth. this pool of people, they see it as a referendum on the treatment of donald trump. they're not asking themselves, do we want to have a general election about joe biden's job performance or about donald trump's persecution. they're just seeing this as a way to -- for him to vindicate himself against all this democratic persecution and the rest of these republican candidates know. it they don't know what to do about it.

none of them have figured out to do about it and i don't suspect any will. right now he's in the mid 50s in this thing. mid 40s, he would be unbeatable in a fragmented field. >> here is my question, a, can you tell me the other dozen plus candidates would look at this and think, that's cool. these 98 pages with trump and his team and the 18 coconspirators, we're good with that. >> for themselves? >> in general. >> like maybe for a president of the united states. >> exactly. what should they do about it? >> i mean, look, they're all trapped. all the republicans are trapped. they're trapped in a room with donald trump. he is not trapped in there with them. they're trapped in there with him. and -- but they're also trapped in there with his voters and the people who believe he has been unfairly treated. those people are hili likely to turn out in this primary. not a single one has a strategy to deal with this, other than this, maybe republicans decide,

look, i don't want to deal with this anymore. who else is out there? but that's out of your hands. you're waiting on people to make that decision. right now there's no evidence that they are. there are people i think running interesting campaigns and saying interesting things but that's different than convincing people to laeave trump by the wayside. >> those are tough questions at 7:00. >> you teed me up. >> give phil the side eye. this is what you get back. weigh in here. not about phil's side. >> he did a good job. no, i think what we're seeing is the -- let's not put all the republicans in the same category. chris christie has come out and been vocal, asa hutchinson has been vocal. >> 3%, 0% who else? >> combined 5% of the electorate. >> well-known republican former governors. >> decently well known. i think the republican party has a problem. and this is what happens when

you allow cancers like donald trump to ma it's a size and this problem will be long after donald trump is president of the united states. not only is he indicted four times. one of the things we don't talk about enough is he is indicted for different behavior in new york it's paying stormy daniels hush money. in south florida, classified documents. now this is january 6th. so it's not as if there is this coordinated effort by these far left whackos to persecute the former president of the united states. no, this is a lot of smoke. the question is where there is smoke, there is fire. what fani did, i would love to hear elie's comments. she went in detail. this is very granular, talking about the bad behavior of the president of the united states trying to overthrow the election. they'll try to compare this to bush gore and how democrats stood up and said we don't believe he should be president, blah blah blah. but the overt acts. there are over 100 overt acts

this this president coordinated with others including a bail bondsman in georgia, rudy giuliani and other people to overthrow an election, break into facilities, steal data. this is a very, very serious charge. >> bakari, right, the jack smith is a mile wide and an inch deep. he has to charge this over seven states. fani willis gets to drill way down in georgia to the level of granularity of trump and others trying to interfere with common election workers and civilians trying to do their job. much narrower but much deeper look. >> there's a level of magical thinking with trump because he got out of two impeachments, because he managed to win the white house while not winning the popular vote. he always carried this he'll figure out how to get out of it. these indictments look bad but there is this sense of magical thinking about him that, well,

he'll find a way. he's going -- he'll find a way to beat them in the end. he is not convicted yet. he is innocent until prove allegations. >> you look what's happened to him over the years, the things he's gotten out. the hardest core supporter, you're wondering why they're not finding other candidates. they like him the most because no matter what they throw at him, he finds a way to get out. >> that's a very good point, particularly on the support. you probably get attacked for explaining why base voters -- but it's accurate and important for people to understand that. i would note the second impeachment he got in large part because people said don't worry b about it. >> that was the argument of most senate republicans. we can't do this now. the courts will deal with it. here we are. >> i want to ask you about something, i think this is a really important and to some degree underappreciated element of this case over the course of the last two plus years. and that is ruby freeman, the election workers, what happened

there, what rudy giuliani said, what donald trump said to brad raffensperger on the call. people talk about the 11 thousand plus votes. he said something specific about ruby freeman. take a listen. >> we had at least 18,000 that's on tape, we had them counted very painstakingly, 18,000 voters having to do with ruby freeman, she's a vote scammer, professional vote scammer and hustler. >> you know, we saw ruby freeman testify in front of the january 6th committee, very powerful, very emotional, very real human toll here. can we play that? >> there is nowhere i feel safe, nowhere. do you know how it feels to have the president of the united

states target you? the president of the united states is supposed to represent every american. not to target one. but he targeted me. >> she testified publicly in front of the january 6th committee as well which was very powerful. what's striking is, one, that's a central piece of this indictment. the intimidation and all of the people trump down that participated in it but also the very real human toll and effect. there will be cameras in the courtroom for this trial. >> this case is going to be very different for a couple of reasons. the first is when you look at the classified documents case, look at jack smith's january 6th case, you don't have real victim -- human victims involved. now, there is -- the system is victimized. processes are victimized. you know, democracy is victimized. but here you have very tangible, real victims. and something that scott said

last night and he echos all the time, go around the country and do this work of politics, you meet very, very good human beings. i refer to ruby as one of those old black women who sit in the front row of the church and wears the big hat. when you hug her, you smell like chanel number 5 the rest of the day. she is the core principal of our democracy, the person who makes democracy work and she is articulate about the fact that she is going through this pain because of the president of the united states. it also highlights something else about donald trump and something we have to talk about, it's the way that he goes after black women when they are on the other side of him. we have seen it with april ryan, yamiche and abby phillip and fani willis. she is the daughter of a black panther, a criminal defense attorney. her name is swahili, it means

prosperous. so between donald trump and ruby and fani and all of these other subplots, not only is it going to make for good tv but it's going to have people realize there are real victims in this case in georgia in comparison, where of course stormy daniels and michael cohen are victims. i love stormy and michael. >> not just -- i hear you on good tv but it's about transparency for the american people. >> it's about good tv. >> tv executive over here? i will argue -- >> no, it's about good tv. >> i would argue transparency for the american people. they're not going to get -- they're not going to get any of these federal cases. but you combine the human element of the witnesses that are going to be testifying and the cameras, this could be powerful. >> such an important point here. bakari is right, we certainly will have tv cameras when this

case is tried. i think there's very little chance this gets tried before the election. >> by the way, there's already broad dissatisfaction in the american electorate we'll have this rematch if we have it. throw on top of that these wild charges. this is crazy. unprecedented. and we're not going to have a resolution to it before we cast our ballots? to me, i think the average person, how do you expect know vote on this election when you have these political allegations laying out there against one of the two candidates. >> you don't vote for the one that's indicted. >> can you talk, elie, how this trial will be different because it's going to be in front of these cameras? >> yeah. so, the federal cases, which are very likely to go first, i think it's increasingly clear that judge chutkan will schedule that january 6th trial before the election, maybe even the mar-a-lago trial. the federal courts don't allow cameras. all likelihood they not going to change. it's their own rule. they make their own rules.

they never changed it. people aren't going to likely actually see that trial. i do wonder if and when a verdict comes down, will that change anything politically? would a conviction change anything in the republican base. a hung jury or not guilty -- >> mandatory minimum conviction would. >> i wanted to make sure i got this out there for the viewers. fani has done this before. she has taken on yfn, ysl. to your point, the reason this will take so long is because we're watching young thug's trial go on and they're still in jury selection. it will be the longest criminal trial in the history of georgia. this will be along time. >> to answer your question, there's a cohort of republicans who will not vote for a convicted felon. even if today you're like, he might beat this. if he is convicted, i'm telling you, there is a cohort of voters, lots of republicans, who won't do it. you see it in some of the polling. i'm just telling you, people

will not want to walk in there and associate their franchise with a convicted felon. so to put him up as the general election nominee, carrying a felony conviction in any jurisdiction would be almost certain political death in the election. >> it seems like a point somebody running against him in a primary would want to make after an indictment. >> stop asking them to be courageous, phil. >> wow. we'll leave it at that. we'll get back to all of this -- >> for the record, that wasn't directed at scott. everybody is always like goes after scott jennings. no, no, no, he is just explaining what's actually happening. >> i know you were making that point in jest -- >> nobody got the rap in their ear. just me? >> i think it's a really good point, bakari. you were saying it in jest, but it's so true. >> if i were sitting here and i was advising nikki haley or tim scott or modicum of talent, i believe they have talent. today is make or break time.

sink or swim. stand for something, show we're courageous or not. you're not going to win this nomination without doing something different. being trump-like, that's not working. >> that's a good point. what you're currently doing isn't working. you could try something else. i am dubious it would work. most of the people you just mentioned, spinning their wheels. >> you've been at 4% since january. >> did you rip your ear out because you were tired of them yelling at you. we'll have you guys back. we'll get to this in a moment. we want to keep our focus and the spotlight on the devastation in hawaii. we now know this morning there are 99 deaths so far from this wild fire. officials there warn the number could double in the next few days. we have a report from lahaina on how they're just coping with this disaster. ♪ >> please, we need help. we need help. we need -- the next step, this is just the first inning. this is the first inning of what we're facing.

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♪ welcome back to our special live coverage. fulton county district attorney fani willis says former president trump and his 18 codefendants must surrender by noon next friday, august 25th. the sheriff stating earlier that his office had been planning for this day. listen. >> so we planned for months to really understand the date, the day to day, really coverage of what this looks like. so we put a lot of resources in place. our goal is to stay focussed. i said this before, we're ready. >> with us now cnn chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst john miller is at the table along with our senior

legal analyst elie honig. all 19 don't have to go together, obviously, right? what does this look like? >> they've been given until friday to -- so until friday, doesn't mean they all have to show up on friday. >> next friday. >> next friday. so they can come in in groups, as individuals. it will be interesting to see how they do it. but, the security has been set up for a long time. we saw the barricades go up a while ago. we have heard the sheriff talk about the threats to the district attorney, racist threats, threats against our life. the threats against him. this isn't something they started thinking about in the last two weeks when the new york indictment came, fulton county had people up here with the nypd watching what that process looked like. >> that's right. >> in terms of security, crowds. when miami happened, shorter trip, they sent people down there watching. they talked to the d.c. metro

people. they have been studying the physical security dynamics. they have their threat fusion cell. they're tracking calls for crowds where they see them. they looked at the numbers of people that showed up in other places. so, the sheriff has done a lot of -- patrick, a lot of prep here. >> can i ask you about something he said a week or two ago, maybe a couple weeks ago. when he was asked, this might seem small or trivial, former president hasn't had mug shots, haven't been handcuffs or any of that. take a listen to what he said about the process. >> unless someone tells me differently, we are following our normal practices. doesn't matter your status, we have mug shots ready for you. >> do you think that's true? i'm not saying he's wrong, but the secret service has a role here. the secret service plays a huge role here. they've been working with them or at least consulting with them

leading up to this moment. what's happening behind the scenes? >> that will be a discussion. mug shots are mug shots. but when the secret service has a protectee, they're used to dealing with the local law enforcement on the ground. if they ask for the sake of security that, you know, he's not going to get away we would prefer not to have him handcuffed because think of the logic, if we have to grab him and rush him out of somewhere, it's very hard to run when you're rear cuffed which would be the procedure. they might prevail on that the sheriff being cooperative. on the other hand, the signal the sheriff is sending nobody is special here. the law is the law. we're going to use our regular process so we don't have to overthink this. i think the secret service factor may actually be something that changes that. but you have other people, for instance, rudolph giuliani, former mayor of new york, u.s. attorney who have never pictured themselves in handcuffs or worn

them that will go through the normal process because there's no secret service connection involved there. >> just in such a sort of turn of irony, also prosecuted people under rico statutes. >> pioneered it. >> even as john said it the guy whose picture was on the wall of the office i worked at. he'll be going through this. >> that's right. >> sara murray brilliantly asked fani willis last night in the presser, are you going to try them all together, all 19. her answer was one word, it was yes. do you think there's a constitutional issue with that? >> my answer is no. three reasons. one, practical. you would have to rent out atlanta fulton county stadium. it's not just 19 defendants. each defendant has multiple lawyers, para legals you could have 100 people in the well. there's no courtroom that can hold that. the second thing is the trial would take forever because every time a witness testifies, every defendant has the opportunity to cross examine that person. 19 potentially cross-examinations. there's a constitutional

problem. the u.s. supreme court said if you get to a point where you're trying too many people at once, that starts to infringe on their rights. it gets to be too much for a jury. the sort said once you get into double digits, you're on shaky ground. if she were to try 19 people together, it would be reversed. >> what's the strategy to saying yes last night then? >> i think it's bluster. i think she said i'm ready. i don't mean that in a negative way. i was always trained we're ready. we'll take everyone on at once. let's do this. i'll try them tomorrow. that's how good prosecutors talk. i think that's all she was president trump's defense look like in this case? we will ask a former lawyer who defended him at a second impeachment trial. michael orr, the inspiration behind the movie and book the "blind side" blames it was all a lie. he the allegations he is making against sean and leanne toohey next. p...

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♪ michael oher the retired nfl star and inspiration for the "blind side" alleges it was all a lie. oher states that sean and leigh anne tuohy said they would adopt him but never did but instead filed a conservatorship that made mills its for them. >> bring back a lot of good memories. >> reporter: michael oher, first a homeless kid who experienced poverty, but later oher became an american football star whose life story inspired the best-selling book and film the "blind side," earning a best picture nomination in 2009 and academy award for sandra bullock as best actress. now his life story has taken a different turn. he has filed a petition to end

sean and leigh anne tuohy's conservatorship over him. after he turned 18, oher moved in with the tuohys. in the lawsuit he claims they said they would adopt him, but instead filed a conservatorship which kept millions of dollars from him. the former nfl player is asking the tuohys, quote, show cause for failure to meet duty. according to the court petition, oher claims they gave him legal papers he thought were necessary for the adopay.e papers

appointed sean and leigh anne tuohy as his conservatives with, quote, total control over michael oher's ability to go negotiate for or enter any contract despite the fact he was over 18 and had no diagnosed physical or psychological disabilities. oher claims the tuohys falsely advised him that the adoption would have to be called a conservatorship since he was over 18. according the petition, in 2006th tuohys representing themselves as the adoptive parents negotiated the contracts for the movie the "blind side." the movie has reportedly grossed more than $330 million. the petition also states that another contract from april 2007 gave away oher's name, likeness,

voice, without any payment whatsoever. oher claims he at no time willingly or knowingly signed such a document. the petition is asked the tuohys to provide a sworn accounting ever the money belonging to oher that he says should have been paid to him. but sean tuohy told a contingencies newspaper that his family devastated. it's upsetting to think we would make money off our children. we are going to love michael at 37 just like we loved him at 16. we are expecting to hear more from the tuohys today. in a statement, sean tuohy said to the local newspaper in tennessee that this was part of the -- they had -- they were considered boosters for ole miss. they went to ole miss. they contributed a lot of money. that's where he wanted to go to school. this part of that legal process. that's not what michael oher says. he wants to be away from this family according to the lawsuit. we will have to see what happens.

there is more to the story. michael oher has a book that has come out. we will stay on top of this. >> please do. fascinating story. feels like more to come for sure. thank you. rudy giuliani one of the 19 people indicted for his role in trying to subvert the 2020 election in georgia, coming up we will be joined by jen jordan who heard giuliani's election lies firsthand when she was a georgia state senator. her first interview before she testified before the fulton county grand jury yesterday. (vo) in one second, sara (woman) yes (vo) will get a job offer somewhere sunnier. relocating in weeks. (woman) weeks? (vo) yeah, weeks. (woman) gotta sell the house. (vo) don't worry, sell topendoor, and move on your schedule. (woman) yes! (vo) request a cash offer at opendoor dot com.ove on your schedule. subway's now sling their meats fresh. that's why subway's proffered by this champ.

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