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tonight on 360, just hours after being indicted for trying to overturn election results in georgia, the former president promises that this time, years later, he really got evidence of election fraud. no, really, he is claiming that. also tonight, breaking news on his former chief of staff, and court current codefendant mark meadows, who now wants the trial moved to federal court court. plus, the latest from hour, president biden pledging every federal asset needed, and then it is enormous. good evening, thanks for joining us. we begin quickly with the breaking news in the wake of last night's -- indictment in george of the former president, and 18 others. one of the, former president former trump chief of staff mark meadows, filed papers late today, asking to move the case to federal courts. rudy giuliani, facing 13 counts, said this afternoon he will seek to do the same. we'll talk more in a moment about this, and the case to be made for it, with our legal experts, and whether the former

president might join in. right now though, he appears to be rushing headlong into the past, two years and seven months since leaving office, for criminal indictments, and 91 felony charges later, donald trump now says he can finally do it, do it all his attorneys and all of the motley cast of curators had around him were unable to do, and dozens of court cases around the country in the case and weeks after the 2020 election. namely, prove election fraud. posting on his social network this morning, he announced a press conference next monday, at which he will present a, quote, large complex, detail, but irrefutable report on the presidential election fraud which took place in georgia. and by the way, if you think you have heard this before, you kind of hat. and let's go back to the day, junior for, 2021. the place, dalton georgia. >> since the election, we have put forth, in the spear indisputable evidence, documenting the rampant fraud, which will be announced on wednesday, as you know. >> he was making the same promise that he's making now. by the way, just two days

before he claimed that in dalton in 2021, he made that call to brad raffensperger, another georgia election officials who had to be republicans and trump supporters, and he had offered up a string of claims, as if they were indisputable, and these officials refuted each and every one. in apparent frustration, and apparently nothing to offer, he now made the infamous request, which apparently is one of the charges against. >> i just want to find, 11,000, 780 votes, which is one more than we have. because we won the state. >> he didn't. it's also worth mentally, that he made that call, and that claim in dalton georgia, after putin told by his own people, his white house attorneys, his election security people, law enforcement agencies, even attorney general bill barr, that there was nothing to his claims. and after a string of court defeats in georgia and elsewhere, 61 in all, including the supreme court. so now, almost three years after losing, he says he's going to produce, in his own

words, some irrefutable report that shows he's right. we can't wait. today, georgia governor brian kemp, a republican and trump supporter 2020, weighed in on it. tweeting, a 2020 election george it was not stolen, for nearly three years now, anyone with evidence of fraud has failed to come forward, under oath, and prove anything in a court of law. doesn't sound like he will be on the edge of his seat either, waiting for mondays news. rudy giuliani spoke today, the famous not as the famous rico prosecutor he once was, but as a criminal defendant. and he claimed, he is still the person people once respected. >> and the same rudy giuliani that went after the mafia, i haven't changed one bit. >> not one bit. cnn's katelyn polantz has some new reporting on the former mayor. she joins us now. what more are you learning? >> well anderson, we have learned, through a series of court filings, just this week from rudy giuliani, where he is fighting lawsuits. so, totally separately from the criminal indictment that he is now facing in georgia, he is

fighting these lawsuits, and he is having to tell courts that he is out of money, or at least he is out of cash, because there are so many things around him, in the court of law, that are causing him to have a lot of expenses. and so, just looking at, this it is a pretty dire state of affairs for rudy giuliani, based on what's in t crt records. right now, we know that he has at least $181,000 in total, current bills. that includes bills he has, just to keep his electronic records hosted somewhere, on a monthly basis. and that if he wants to do a search of those records, which he is going to be needing to do, not just for a lawsuit that is happening right now, but for other potential investigations and lawsuits in the future, he has to pay them additional money to do those searches, money that would amount to something like $15, 000, or and in one of the court filings yesterday, his lawyers essentially said, giuliani doesn't have that money right now.

he doesn't have $15, 000, that's even less than what giuliani was asking as his day rate, when he was working for donald trump on the 2020 campaign. litigations, so it is a small, relatively small amount of money for a lawyer, the former mayor of new york city, that he is just not able to get together. and he is saying, also in court, that he cannot provide detailed financial information, because it would embarrass giuliani, draw tension to his misfortunes. but there are clearly a lot of things bearing down around him. not just with that, there are also was a very protracted negotiation, apparently, that the court filings discuss, where he was trying to get someone to donate money to him, to pay some of his legal fees. specifically, aid at a $320,000 that he owed. and, that that was ultimately paid by the save america pact, but it took a long time, it took months of him waiting for that money. and at this point in time there's, no indication that donald trump is paying other legal fees for rudy giuliani, and all of these lawsuits are all moving forward, at

different stages. one of them is very close to potentially being ruled against him. it's a case that is from the two georgia election workers, and we're going to see what a judge is going to do there with the finale, anderson. >> he does seem to have some assets. i think i saw his apartment in new york, park avenue on the upper east side is for sale, for some $6 million. so, it seems like he would be able to get some money, i guess at some point. katelyn polantz, appreciate it, thanks to the breakdown. with me now is someone who is certainly well acquainted with rudy giuliani, and has investigated donald trump, former -- thank you so much are being with us, appreciate it. first of all, what you make by this attempt by mark meadows to move the case to federal court? why would he do that, what's the benefit for it? >> i think, the idea is that the federal court will be a, perhaps slightly more are manageable. >> then you.

>> port for the defendants cases to be heard. when we subpoenaed donald trump in 2019 for his tax records he, filed court, he filed a case in federal court in order to get the case, essentially the issue moved into the federal judiciary. i think, to me, it's all about the supreme court. i think he's looking for the quickest way to go through the federal system, and got get the issue -- of my speculation is that he feels that's a court that will help him, on these questions of law. >> one of the arguments that has been made about having this in georgia, is that if he is elected president, and he somehow pardons himself and anything else, then obviously he doesn't have pardon power in the state of georgia, nor does the governor there. if it was moved to federal court, of all this move to federal court, would that negate that? >> we'll, if he ultimately was charged in federal court, and convicted in federal court. yes, i think it would negated,

because the state case would be presumably dismiss. and, then it would become a federal action. but i think, clearly the importance of the state prosecutions, are investigation that took us to the supreme court twice, to get the records from donald trump, my cisa now d. a. willis. these are important backstops. and i'll tell you why is an example. we star on vesta geisha and into the trump investigation finances and the like. , and the u.s. attorney in new york, who is a wonderful person, their office asked me to stand out, with our case. i felt i should, because i feel we need -- between these agencies, and i did. but to my surprise, after my michael, cohen pleaded guilty, the case dropped in the southern district. so we lost a year and a half, and it proves, i think anderson, that you need to approach these issues with a spirit of yes,

let's not argue about silly things, let's try to work together. but at the end of the day, the state needs to look of after the state. and the state cannot depend on the federal government to look after states interest. >> fani willis has talked about charging, about going to trial with all the 19 defendants. just, you've done that. i mean you've had large trials in new york, how difficult is that, is that possible, with 19? >> 19 defendants is a large number, and it's a difficult number for a court to manage. but, we in manhattan during my tenure, had cases of much larger groups of defendants, they were together the gang cases. the challenge in this case is, you have to have all 19 defendants. you have, first of all, a complicated, factually complicated set of charges. you have some folks who are marginal -- and then you have some folks are the former president, who is at ground zero of the case. so the judge is going to have

to manage defendants, different allegations, different kinds of motions. it's a lot for the court to manage, on top of managing donald trump. >> some of those 19, theoretically, could make deals prior to this going to trial. i mean as you said, some of them are on the fringes of this, others are right at the epicenter. >> sure. the recount, as i understand it, it -- has a 5 to 20 range of sentencing. so anybody in this defendant group, who is looking in five years, is going to think long and hard oh whether or not they really want to take, where the trump flag, and go over the cliff carrying it. i think there will absolutely be defendants who want to cooperate, who want to try to resolve this. i'm not sure that d. a. willis needs that cooperation, it seems like a very strong, straightforward indictment. obviously, it's quite detailed, and there's not a lot a lot left to the imagination.

it is what it is, and she'll, i think she's going to push forward. but 19 is a big number, and particularly dealing with the president as a defendant. >> you we talked previously about the importance of a judge, in a case like this, keeping things moving. what have you learned about the former presidents, in your experience in court? >> chaos agent. >> he's an agent of chaos? >> yes, he's an agent of chaos. and i think his whole career is kind of going from one disaster to another, and distracting attention from the last disaster, moving to another, but being happy that he's in attention. right now, politically, he is completely consumed all the airtime on the republican nomination for president, even while he is being indicted. >> how does that play out in the courtroom, or in a legal battle with him? >> what fly out? >> the agent of chaos?

i >> think what it means, first and foremost for the judge, in this case. how do you manage a man like donald trump, as a defendant? an average defendant, who has said what he said, who has done what he's done under indictment, will be hauled back into court, and threatened with contempt, incarceration, or a huge fine. none of those things necessarily are dissuading factors for donald trump. again, i'm speculating. but were he to be put into jail on contempt for are doing something a stupid as his picture with him -- in a bat, and dea brad's -- clearly, intimidating. but we're him to be put in records island? i honestly think, he'd probably use it as a mechanism to excite his crowd, and. >> no judge has really. this is unprecedented, so there is no judge who has experience with a character like this? >> no, i don't think ever with

a character like this. but clearly, the judges that are involved are experienced, and i think they all, bottom line, are going to really need to control their courtroom. they need to be the manager, to set expectations of decorum, and what is responsible here, and what is the response will be heavier. and they need to hold the president, before president to account. how they're going to do that, because the typical tools that the judge would you may in fact not be as effective as 54 resident. but, i think ultimately, these judges are going to make it work. and there's something sobering, you saw president when he was in the manhattan courtroom. he was not a man in control. norah his arraignments in florida, or in d. c.. i think he understands the weight of power, and the momentum that is rolling up against him. whether that causes him to act

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♪ please don't go ♪ >> breaking news tonight, mark meadows officially asking to make his georgia indictment a federal case instead. in a moment, we will talk to the legal team, including a former u.s. attorney for the middle district of georgia, what his chances are and what the entire case -- but first, more about how a one time trump trump aides, a confidant, jake tapper has that. >> in donald trump's previous federal indictment connected to the 2020 election, mark meadows had managed to escape any charges. leaving many to wonder if the former white house chief of staff might have turned on his former boss. >> one name that is obviously not in the indictment is mark meadows, who was kind of the ringleader of all of this. >> he changed monday night, when the grand jury of fulton

county, georgia charged him and 18 other defendants, including the other president with racketeering for their efforts to try to overturn the 2020 election. in the indictment, prosecutors say that the defendants, quote, joined a conspiracy to unlawfully change the outcome of the election in favor of trump. beyond trump himself, meadows is the highest ranking official to be charged. the indictment outlines the key role that prosecutors say that meadows played to try and keep trump in power. >> mister president. >> when election loss, he got involved, according to the lineman and november 20th. meadows and trump met with michigan legislators in the white house where the former president made false claims of election fraud in the state. the next day, prosecutors say that meadows sent a text to

pennsylvania congressman scott perry, asking quote, can you send me the number for the speaker and leader of pennsylvania legislature? potus wants to chat with them. the following week, meadows and trump met with pennsylvania legislators at the white house. the same day, codefendants rudy giuliani and jenna ellis also traveled to the commonwealth, and quote, solicited, requested, and importuned the pennsylvania legislators present at the meeting to unlawfully appoint presidential electors from pennsylvania. meadows was also allegedly deeply involved in the effort to overturn election results in georgia. that's according to the indictment on december 22nd, meadows traveled to cobb county, georgia, and attempted to watch an election audit in progress, but not open to the public. he was turned away. meadows then arranged a phone call between trump and then chief investigator for the georgia secretary of state, francis watson. >> the people of georgia are so angry at what happened, we won by hundreds of thousands of votes. it wasn't close. when did the right answer

coming out? >> perhaps the most notable, if not the most damning phone calls that meadows a race for president trump was with georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger. >> mister president, everyone is on the line. this is mark meadows, chief of staff, we are all aware. >> when trump told raffensperger this. >> look, all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. because we won the state. >> meadiw's role in that phone call took -- a second charge a violation of oath by a public officer. jake tapper, cnn, washington. >> joining us now, cnn political commentator alyssa -- communications writer in the previous administration. also former u.s. attorney for the middle district of georgia, michael more. cnn political commentator and former obama special advisor van jones, and democratic state senator jim jordan, who testified before the fani

willis grand jury. michael, does it make sense illegally that mark meadows, because of his position in the federal government at the time would want to be in federal court? >> it's a good motion to make. i don't blame him for making it. basically, there's a removal statute that allows somebody who is charged with a crime in a state court, if they were a federal official involved, federal duty is to ask the case be transferred. there is a limited number of defendants you might see with that opportunity. >> but the former president asked -- if it weren't for mark meadows. >> i expect this from trump all along. really, when you look at the --

all of these acts that we have talked about, hundred and 61 acts that they're talking about in furtherance of the conspiracy, this type of thing. 154 of those occurred while he was the sitting president of the united states. it's a pretty strong argument to make that maybe the case should move to federal court as it relates to the former president. of course, mark meadows was the chief of staff. what more can you -- how much more can you be involved within the federal government? especially during a federal election, a presidential election. >> it is stunning to see mark meadows's name in an indictment, because in the january 6th indictment, he is chief of staff as mentioned, but he is not charged. >> i think that a lot of us assumed that mark meadows was cooperating with the department of justice. i actually think otherwise now. folks in his camp, they kind of officially -- he complied with the subpoena but has not flipped with the department of justice. i tend to believe that, and i tend to read into it to doj thought he was such a valuable witness that they would rather work with him through the channels of the subpoena than try to charge him in this. georgia is a different ball game, and it always has been. when you look at laying this

out, as that conspiracy charge, as the r.i.c.o. charge, he falls very clearly into that in the actions that he took. i think that he likely is just doing the bare minimum that his attorney is evolving him. i would know that he is a very sophisticated attorney, he served in the bush white house. >> senator, how would a change of venue alter the shape of case? >> in every way. >> you think it should be in federal? where you would like it to be in federal court? >> there is this cost-benefit analysis. i think that in some ways, it would be good because cameras are not allowed in federal court. it's a lot more of a structured process. i know that'll all of the federal court judges take their responsibilities very seriously. i'm not saying that fulton county superior court judges don't. >> you think given the publicity, it would be a mess in state court? >> they're going to be a lot of problems. a lot of tremendous security, i think the fact that cameras are going to be allowed in the courtroom will allow the attorneys to really put on a show. they can let the litigants put on a show as well. at the end of the day, as much as we talk about this on tv, whatever, it's about laws broken, and people that need to be held accountable. >> i see it differently because

i do think giving people the opportunity to see how the stuff works is good. by the way, this is a different prosecutor then jack smith. it's literally the opposite approach on everything. with jack smith, i'm going to focus on donald trump, all mentioned a few people, she says i'm coming after everybody. i'm coming after everybody. you are all in trouble, you are all going to get it, and that is different. mark meadows, hands off, no i'm grabbing him too. >> she also chose to go forward with this long before anybody in that government. >> this train has been coming. it's been coming the whole time. jack smith was late to the party, issue a, no, jack smith was late to the party. she's been working on this for a very long time. if people don't like it, if people don't like r.i.c.o., where have you've been all this time? the same prosecutor was using r.i.c.o. to put rappers in jail. she's putting teachers in jail. if you didn't like r.i.c.o. then, you should've said something about it. a lot of us on the progressive left have been concerned about over abuse of r.i.c.o., but if there's ever a time to use a statute like this to get everybody involved, send that message, you can't conspire to

overthrow an election of the united states and get away with it. if jack smith was unwilling to go after everybody, she is. >> what are you thinking about cameras in the state court? >> in fulton county, is nothing new. i would say you can have cameras in the federal court. it's almost about the sanctity of the courtroom where you don't have lawyers and clients putting on a show. it can become a circus. we're talking about a case we have 19 defendants and we are going to stack them up. >> by the time this goes to trial, there won't be 19 of them. >> but sometimes when you fish with too big of a hook, you get stuck yourself, and that might be where we're at here, we might be in a place where you have to tip your hat to the dea for moving forward on a case. at the same time, there may be these unintended consequences. there will be some late fall, and you can look at the indictment. she's got an a group and a

group. she's going to squeeze the big group. the best way to do that is the indictment. >> after this motion came down from the meadows camp, i think they're starting to see a lot of other folks wrapped up in this letter thinking but this is the, move try to move it to federal court. the argument is simply going to be whether it is the documents case in miami or, this in georgia. there are things that affect the presidency that haven't been tested in these state courts the way that in a federal court they are prepared to handle. somebody like a meadows, he deserves to be charged, but he has the best case that you're going to have about executive privilege, and about conversations that he's having in the advising role as the president. that's something a federal court is prepared to handle in a way that this could be very complicated in georgia. >> everyone stay with, us a lot more to discuss, including what is an over act, -- leading to a conspiracy indictment. plus, hunter biden is down a lawyer. we'll explain what happened, plus other new developments in his legal troubles, ahead. carvana has hundreds of thousands of five star reviews and counting. the whole process was really simple and easy, and this is my third time selling to carvana.

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>> megan is about mark meadows wanting to move the georgia prosecution to federal court touches on a point of the case that appears to have confused some defenders of those indicted. how, for instance, can prosecutors called meadows text messaging someone for a state -- criminal conspiracy as the armpits when one of the indictment. for that matter, why are 12 tweets by the former president and a retweet by rudy giuliani also listed as some of the hundred 61 overt acts that prosecutors say proved the existence of a criminal conspiracy? last, night district attorney fani willis explained. >> as you examine the indictment, you will see acts

that are identified as overt acts, and those identified as predicate acts. sometimes called acts of racketeering activity. overt acts are not necessarily crimes under georgia law, and isolation, but are alleged to be acts taken in furtherance of the conspiracy. >> i'm back with the panel. it's important point because you hear that a lot today, some are charging this guy for sending out tweets? >> think about an overt act like this, it moves the conspiracy forward a little bit. let's take a bank robbery. driving down the road and looking at the bank may not be a crime unless you are speeding. driving down looking at the bank, nothing wrong with it. if you didn't rob the bank, and you have an agreement with people who do it, that becomes part of that conspiracy because you are casing the bank. >> do you think it was right to make this a rico? >> absolutely. look, for my perspective, this

is broad, wide, right? we need to bring in as many people as possible. in a lot of ways, looking at it from the perspective of arizona, michigan, pennsylvania, and georgia, you start to see that this was very systematic in what they were doing. what they were doing in pennsylvania is what they were doing in georgia. the way i looked at the federal case is, really, that is the umbrella of what they wanted to do nationally. georgia was the implementation on the ground. i think, with respect to the district attorney, i think they've done an incredible job. she is working with a lawyer named john floyd who is literally written the book, r.i.c.o. state by state. he knows exactly what he is doing, and whether you like r.i.c.o. or not, or think that it's appropriate, here, it is absolutely appropriate. it's going to bring in everybody who actually was a part of and did something in furtherance of this conspiracy. >> it's extraordinary, though, for those who grew up in a new york, watching rudy giuliani

prosecute mob cases with r.i.c.o.. for him, now, to be at the epicenter of this massive r.i.c.o. case. >> how far he's fall in. >> he says he hasn't changed at all. well [laughs] >> that's a problem, right? >> he was terrible before and nobody knew because he's terrible now. that is, i think, part of the big irony here. you had an american hero, america's mayor, some of us didn't like everything he was doing when he was mayor of newark, but he was a respected guy. he somehow, now, is crawling around, begging for money so he could have a lawyer to help him get out of trouble, that he cost for himself when he started lying about an election outcome. he is a central character in this. you cannot tell the story of donald trump's scheme to stay in office without having a star of that story be rudy giuliani so he cannot run, he cannot hide. he's in the middle of it now. how far has he fallen? >> in this indictment, it reads like a cast of characters of people who came into positions of extreme power, huge power in

this natn, and who ultimately corrupted by it. any turn they could've stopped and said, iss, enough this is going too far. didn't know better.e, perh most of them did know better. they were desperately trying to cling onto power after knowing they lost the election. nobody spoke, up no into the right thing, and that's why where they are today. >> we talked about this last night, michael, the courthouse put a document online earlier in the day. they now come out with another explanation, saying it was some sort of a sample that was being done as a test run. does that make sense to you? >> i think there's coordination that happens between a.d.a.'s office and a clerk's office. i wouldn't be surprised if they said, look, this is coming down tonight. we believe the grand jury votes, be ready. this will help you get your feels field in the computer, that type of thing. it was a mistake. it was a serious mistake. the reason, was it was like turning on the gas pump onto the fires of the people who want to find reason to think there is a conspiracy.

i think it was human error. it's regrettable that it happened. it didn't affect the case, but it gave ammunition for people who wanted it. >> i would think even in the panel. and we have new developments of the prosecution president biden's son hunter, the defense attorney has asked to withdraw from the case, special counsel david weiss said that, contrary to hunter biden's attorneys claims, that deal to resolve a felony gun possession charge is no longer binding. kara scannell joins us now with details. first of all, what more do we know about the attorney withdrawing? why is he withdrawing? >> this is hundred biden's longtime criminal defense attorney, chris clark. he's represented him this whole time. and a court filing today, they said he is seeking to withdraw from the case. he could -- because he could be a potential witness since biden's team intends to challenge these now collapsed plea talks. the clerk was involved in the dealings, one-on-one, with doj, throughout this five-year investigation. in a negotiating, the plea agreements that the judge did not approve, they are saying they want to take him off the case and he can advocate for

biden because they might need him as a witness in a future proceeding. anderson? >> what's the latest on the plea deal negotiations? >> right now, the one thing both sides agree on is that the tax plea agreement is moot, and they should dismiss the charges that were filed in court that harden or biden did not plead guilty to as initially planned. the reason prosecutors wanted them out is because they say that they want to bring the potential case in a jurisdiction where these alleged crimes took place, either california or washington d.c., and it was only because biden was going to plead guilty that they agreed to do it in delaware where the u.s. attorney, david weiss, who is now been elevated to special counsel, had ultimate jurisdiction. biden's team is agreeing with that, where they are not on the same page still is on this deal to resolve a felony gun possession charge. in that case, biden's team is saying they think this deal is valid and binding because it was signed by prosecutors, and it was signed by hunter biden, even though the judge did not sign off on it. prosecutors today saying it is

missing another important signature, and that is the chief of the probation department for the district of delaware, she did not sign off on it. they said, therefore, it did not go into effect. it's not binding. both points of you are before the judge. again, as i said, she didn't like this deal. we're waiting to see what she's going to do next. anderson? >> do you know if it was intentional the probation head -- they hadn't signed it? was it a scheduling issue? do we know why that hadn't been signed? >> there are new additional details about that in the filing. they do you say they did continue to try and work out the deal even after the judge adjourned for the day. prosecutors did not agree with it. they were pretty close to this deal in court, and the judge had questions. it's not clear if because she didn't officially stamp it that procedurally stopped it from going to the probation office. that could be one of the issues. they have not elaborated on that. it's not clear if it was because the probation department had any particular issue. i wouldn't be surprised if we learned more about that in the coming days. >> kara scannell, as always,

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grow, and confirmed to reach at least 99 people. president biden made his first comments on the fires today, after criticism from republicans and others that he hasn't been more vocal about the tragedy. hundreds of federal personnel, including navy and coast guard are on the ground, helping with rescue and aid efforts. the president promised to travel to maui soon and pledged full assistance. >> our thoughts and prayers with the people of hawaii, but not just our prayers, every asset, every asset they need will be there for them. we will be there in maui as long as it takes. >> hawaii electric says powers been restored to 80% of customers, many residents say there is still struggling to get by. our bill weir has been on the ground in maui, joins us again tonight. what's it like today? >> well, this is fascinating, anderson. a dramatic scene just played out here. we're in the cooler neighborhood. it's miles away from lahaina, which you know is on the beach

town. this is a country, as they call it here, above the mountains where several hundred homes have burned, but we witnessed -- see these bottle water drop off superaccurate? we witnessed a couple of three guys from a oahu flown as volunteers who were taking that water and hiking through the brush, putting out active hotspots over there that are flaring up right now. this fire is only 60% contained. there are these little leftover fires from last week up in these canyons, just as they were fighting a fire with bottled water of, basically, a private helicopter came, saw, them and dropped a big bucket of water on that hot spot. so, this is the response. i know we are talking -- hearing that a week into this, the cavalry is coming. we've got guys putting out fires with bottled water, volunteers, and helicopters in this neighborhood, at least at the moment. anderson? >> are you seeing federal aid?

are you seeing fema? are they on the ground? how many military personnel on the ground? what kind of organized response have you seen? >> i've got to tell you, and we have covered a lot of these things, i have spent a weekend with citizen first responders setting up these relief pods in the neighborhoods, and didn't see a single person in uniform. the only maui county officials we saw over the cops working the checkpoints as well. here we are, i was expecting to see humvees, maybe helicopters today, still have. and that doesn't mean they're not out there. the pentagon says today there are 60 missions launching from the army command here in the pacific. all kinds of relief effort they've got, coast guard and military personnel fighting fires. honestly, we haven't seen it. the locals here are shocked that they're putting out fires in their backyards well cutting down burned trees, and are surprised the road is still open the way it is.

>> the governor says the number of fatalities could rise significantly. how are people dealing with this? especially people being asked to give you an a to help identify people who have died. you know, the strength of those fire, some people have just disappeared. >> exactly. it was like a big crematorium there, about a dozen, only about a dozen actual remains have been identified from the dna. a couple dozen, three dozen or so families have gone and who had missing relatives, loved ones, to give their dna. i spent time this afternoon with a woman who is 83-year-old mother is missing, and they are cycling through the stages of grief. they think she's probably gone when they saw that the house was completely gone. they're holding out hope until someone can confirm this. this is being played out family by family across maui, not just in the western lahaina part. this affects so many people.

at the same time, many of them are working in resorts, putting on tiki shows, or giving massages to folks who come here. so, it's really complicated time for hawaiians. >> bill weir, i'm glad you are there. thank you, if you want to help, you can find information in one place, cnn.com forward slash impact, or text hawaii to 70 70 72 don't to eight. next, cnn exclusive, never before seen -- ukraine may be using unmanned siege are on to attack that key bridge linking russia occupied crimea. the ukrainians are now saying it was them who did it after all. nick paton walsh, also, this attack they did on a russian ship that got access to some remarkable video. his report is coming up. sensodyne sensitivity gum & enamel relieves sensitivity, helps restore gum health, and rehardens enamel. i'm a big advocate of recommending things that i know work.

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nick paton walsh got access to the footage. here is his report. >> it has become the most beleaguered symbol of russian occupation. this weekend, moscow saying this incident was just a smokescreen, foiling that ukrainian attack on the four billion dollar kerch bridge, the link between russia and occupied crimea that putin seems to dote on. now cnn has obtained exclusive footage, heralding a new wave of warfare. of another earlier devastating ukrainian seaborne drone strike there in july. from the ukranian security services, the sbu, who say they did it and more will follow. this is exactly what the drone pilot saw. thermal imagery, the water rippling, it's up to a ton of explosive approaches the bridge. faith then obviously wednesday as it hit the concrete. russian officials said two civilians died in the attack. cameras on the bridge captured the first blast on the road section. the cursor shows the drone moving in.

and another on the railway tracks at about the same time. ukraine has been coy, some officials saying these huge blasts are from, quote, unidentified floating objects, but no longer. with the head of the ukrainian security services told cnn this is just the start. >> translator: sea surface drones are unique invention of the security service of ukraine. none of the private companies are involved. using these drones, we have recently conducted successful hits on the crimean bridge. a big assault ship, and a tanker. >> this, another ukrainian drone attack on the assault boat, on what ukrainian officials said 100 personnel were on board. it was a remarkable feat, carried out by a growing fleet of what they call the sea babies. hundreds of miles away from

ukrainian bases, and right in russia's coastal heart lands, it put the black sea's east suddenly at risk. >> translator: these drones are produced in an underground production facility in ukraine. we are working on a number of new, interesting operations, including in the black sea waters. i promise you, it will be exciting, especially for our enemies. >> reporter: ukraine's ingenuity, again and again, toppling the lumbering russian goliath. >> nick, it's fascinating, they're being so public about this. how have the russians adjust of the strategies in the black sea in response? >> we don't know a huge amount about what russia can do to stop these drones with the significant pay load they carry. you saw in the beginning of the report, they're using smokescreens, it seemed, over the weekend, around the kerch bridge, but then they are very explicit, they're worried about

ukraine adaptive missiles potentially hitting. it is unclear what sea level defenses that may have. we've also seen them earlier on this week, using over messaging to try and stop some of the grain shipments going through the black sea, taking a helicopter to port grain ship there as well. so a variety of things. certainly, moscow are taken aback by the extraordinary reach of these drones and they're explosive power. remember, as you say, because the security services are talking about this publicly now, might perhaps they feel comfortable about invading any potential russian country moves. >> thanks, nick paton walsh. coming up next, controversy surrounding hit movie the blindside, the tennessee couple who say they offered former nfl player michael or structure and support, respond to a lawsuit alleging they earn millions from pushing a false narrative that they adopted him. or push through the pain and symptoms? with ubrelvy, there's another option. one dose works fast to eliminate migraine pain.

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