an american soldier in north korean custody with no end in sight. >> reporter: wolf, a lot of people who follow this story believe it's possible that travis king could actually appear at some point in north korean state media in his own words. going back nine years ago i talked to kenneth bay, jeffrey fowler and matthew miller and after months in isolation, all three of them were glad to get out. we'll see if that is also true for this american soldier. >> let's hope he gets out soon. will ripley, thank you very much. and to our viewers, thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blilttzer in "the situation room." i'll be back tonight for cnn "primetime." "erin burnett outfront" starts now. >> reporter: next, another trial

date for trump, fulton county's d.a. request that trump go on trial. and the wagner group claiming it's an educational organization, formally calling itself. it's an exclusive story that you will see first "outfront" tonight. and the suspected gilgo beach visitor. who was it? the sheriff in the case is my guest. let's go "outfront." good evening. outfront tonight turning himself in, according to sources, trump is planning to find his way to the fulton county jail next week. think of it, a former president showing up to face charged. he would be treated like every other defendant.

that would mean a mug shot and fingerprints. and fani willis wants trump arraigned in three weeks. if she gets her way, trump will stand trial starting march 4th. as you can see that is just one day before the crucial super tuesday. and as the clock ticks early next week as we're hearing possibly, it is worth pointing out that whole situation at the fulton county jail could be a circus. there are 18 other defendants. they all have to sur erender at noon. while trump's attorney negotiate his surrender, there are questions on whether there will be a fifth indictment. this picture, this is the arizona republican chair kelly ward and two other state

lawmakers purported lly signing false electoral documents declaring the winner of the 2020 election. it all comes as we're learning new details about the crushing weight of rudy giuliani's legal bills that add up to hundreds of thousands of dollars. today giuliani's attorney told the new york court there's not a lot of bills he's not paying, i think this is very humbling for mr. giuliani, he's essentially out of cash, forced to sell his new york apartment in order to make ends meet." in a moment we'll spoke to someone who has known the mayor for a long time and knows him well. paula, you have new reporting about what is actually about to happen in georgia. what do you know? >> reporter: erin, right now we're all looking to see when these defendants will surrender and have their initial appearances. most of the attention is on the three most high profile defendants, former president

trump, mark meadows and rudy giuliani. we know the former president is negotiating the terms of his surrender, mark meadows is trying to get the whole case moved to federal court and then i learned that rudy giuliani team as of now has not been in touch with the district attorney's office. erin, there is some question about whether he will be able to get a lawyer in the state of georgia because one of his own attorneys said today he has a lot of legal bills that he's just not able to pay. of course that is not very attractive when you are trying to retain a lawyer. he could always represent himself. he has plenty of experience prosecuting rico cases but this would put him at the defense table. now he's likely going to have a while to find an attorney because this date that fani willis is proposing, it is highly unlikely the judge is going to agree to that. rico cases are notoriously complicated, tend to get drawn out and she has 19 defendants here but she's clearly trying to put her marker down on an increasingly crowded calendar with all of these complicated events that the former president

needs to tend to next year, not only a potentially multiple trials but the primaries and events related to his status as a candidate. >> paula, thank you very. ryan goodman is here, special counsel with the department of defense are and the former chief assistant district attorney of the manhattan d.a.'s office and john avlon, our senior political analyst. march 4th fani willis' trial date, is that realistic? is march 4th in any situation reasonable? >> i think it is a situation in which it is reasonable. two-fold. she apparently under georgia law has to be ready to go before the end of this calendar year 2023 because any of the defendants could ask for a speedy trial. that's in some level a baseline. i think the way we should be thinking about this is the word severance, which i this i will be starting to be used a lot in

conversations about georgia. i do not think there will ever be a trial in which there are 19 -- they will sever. the judge will use their discretion to break it up into different parts. could one of those parts go before that date on march? maybe. depends on who it is and how small a group it is. maybe it's just the false electors first. that's what we might see. it's really thinking about which parts of this could go at a certain point. >> karen, when do you think we'll practically see this trial? >> i think ryan is right. i think it will tie up in years from now, not right away. the case itself is going to take quite some time to try. they have a rico case in georgia right now, ysl, they've been in jury election for seven months. >> jury selection for seven months? >> seven months. >> wow. >> and that's fani willis's office and there was another case that fani willis brought involving teachers.

she's used to a courtroom with lots of people. that was two years. these cases take time to try in and of themselves, so i think for that reason it's going to be very hard because there's going to be an election in between. >> in that context, fani willis wants to be so she's ready to go, she could pick a lot of dates. i happen to be among those who don't believe she randomly picked this date and didn't check what it is. it is the day before super tuesday. does that risk having it look political to pick that date? >> yes. politics is perception and you don't, you know, you can be too clever by half. scheduling this the day before super tuesday, it could back fire if your intense is to send a message before that pivotal day in a primary. but more importantly the integrity of the justice system depends upon equal justice under law. it doesn't quite pass the smell test.

>> if you picked the friday of that week to show -- okay. ryan, what's interesting, i got to admit, i'm sorry, along with many others, i'm sure, i saw the possibility of a fifth indictment. you're thinking, wow, you kind of cringe, right? but it is conceivable in arizona that that investigation is ongoing and we understand it is very broad in scope. it's about the false slate of electors but could involve trump himself. do you think that's possible? >> i think it's possible with the mere reading of the law. fani willis is signaling, saying the racketeering and organized crime activity occurred across the different states, including arizona and georgia. she's sending a signal to the other authorities in that place and look at the jack smith indictment, there's a whole section on arizona. the only question is do they want to go up the chain of command? i think they can go after the false electors -- >> as they did in michigan. but mish givechigan didn't go u

chain of command. we have a lot of evidence that points to donald trump and eastman and doing the same thing in georgia and arizona has the same kind of laws as georgia. they are pressuring rusty bower, the republicans speaker of the house in arizona the same way they're pressuring the georgia election officials and raffensperger and they have the same laws. so it's only in some sense -- >> forces the hand. >> yeah, politics and maybe prosecutorial discretion. the prosecutors might say let's let jeff smith handle this but as a matter of law they can do it. >> you worked for rudy giuliani for a long time. you worked for him when he was at his peak, at his america's mayor moment. now he's selling his apartment, he can't pay his legal bills.

what do you even make of all this? >> it's a self-inflicted tragedy and it's profound on a personal level to see this kind of a fall. this is someone who five years ago during his divorce proceedings had a net worth north of $30 million. i think what you see is someone who has lit their reputation and their personal finances on fire for free, i.e. serving donald trump as a lawyer without getting paid. expenses have been paid apparently but nothing else. and here's a guy who used to say the law is a search for the truth participating in trying to overturn an election with no evidence. to be locked in partisan politics doesn't let you think clearly. >> does it in any way when you look at his financial issue make it more likely that he would flip and how significant would that be? because he is a core player in every single one of these

alleged schemes. >> yeah, it's possible but to flip you also have to tell the truth and you also have to be credible. and he has -- there's been so many things that he has said that i think unless he's ready to walk that back -- >> an alternate reality. >> exactly, exactly. i agree with john, it's sad. he was america's mayor. after 9/11, he shepherded us through that difficult time and we were all so grateful that he was our mayor. to see him like this is a terrible tragedy but he did it to himself. so he'd have to completely walk all of that back and admit all -- it's more than being willing to flip because i have no money. you have to tell the truth or you don't have any value to the prosecutor. >> speaking of how he is in every single one of these, ryan, you have an article on security, karen described you're like the a.i. lawyer here. you went through 30 unindicted

co-conspirators and this is only like a day later and you figured out who many of them are. what did you find out? >> um, so there are some mistakes in the internet circulating about who some of these individuals are but we did find, for example, that bernie caric, who is a close aide to giuliani, is one of the unindicted co-conspirators. and then there are others as well, barsh epstein is an unindicted co-conspirators. we show all the work that we did, which is the january 6th select committee had their final report, they released a bunch of documents. one of them tweeted something. you can find their tweet. but the other is that you can f find their e-mail and there's civil litigation. >> and the fact that they're unindicted could mean they -- >> there's a good chance at least some of them are probably cooperating. you can't look at any individual

one and say that person is cooperating. if i were on donald trump's defense team i would look at my chart and think now we understand who might have turned against us. >> they like anyone else, go to your blog and check it out now to make sure. we're going to have much more on giuliani this weekend. don't miss the cnn original series, "giuliani, what happens to america's mayor." and next, the death toll from the horrific wildfires in hawaii is growing to 107. the governor estimates there are still over a thousand people unaccounted for. plus a new poll finding most americans don't want joe biden or donald trump to run for president. could that create an opening at this part in the process for someone like republican senator tim scott? >> i believe that my optimistic, positive message is being rooted in iowa and frankly our poll numbers continue to go up. >> and a new indictment

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rising to 107 lives lost, according to the state's governor who also just told wolf he estimates there could still be more than a thousand people missing. a week after those wildfires began, a thousand people missing he did say we expect to get an update on this during a press conference which is going to begin in just moments. we are monitoring that. if we get more information, we're going to bring that to you. it comes in the context of the white house announcing that president biden will be going to hawaii next week, on monday, and we are getting our first extensive look at the devastation on the ground with gloria pasmino, who is "outfront." >> reporter: frank taylor with fema search and rescue team fund lahaina reduced to ashes, now a graveyard for everything and everyone in the wildfire's path.

>> there's nothing left. cremation basically. this is the absolute worst disaster i've ever seen. >> more than 100 dead. now search workers face the grizzly task of finding cadaver. >> they are absolutely essential to this and they're trained for human remains. once you send a dog in there, they'll find them. i'm confident we'll find everybody. >> main roads are just starting to open here. fema is providing disaster relief and families. hoping to lay the victims to rest are fighting exhaustion amid their grief. >> i just want to identify the body. the police really helped but i have run into a lot of people that i understand are tired. i'm tired, too. i haven't slept in six days. >> reporter: for some survivors, not knowing how the deadly fire started and how it was able to

cause so much destruction so quickly adds to their suffering. a siren warning system that never sounded, despite being tested just days before the fires raged. >> the cell phones were mobilized. the power lines were down and we had no service. but the sirens, some were broken and we're investigating that. >> reporter: and some locals point to downed power lines and loss of water pressure as the flames ravaged the landscape. fueled by droughts, winds and dry grasses. one reporter says he finds solace in lahaina after losing four members of his family. >> hawaii has always been rooted in family. i now how painstaking this is, i know the deep void we all feel.

>> gloria, you're there in lahaina where the main road just opened for the first time since the wildfire. i know in your piece there, you showed some of those lines. what are you seeing? >> reporter: it's very difficult to describe the amount of destruction and devastation we are witnessing there are entire blocks of homes that are entirely gone, just the foundation is left. you can see there are burned out cars. there's nothing. just most of the town has been wiped out. in the distance, you can see two communication tower, cell phone towers, and we've been watching crews working on those. as we were making our way into town, i saw several trucks carrying equipment to repair these towers. lahaina has been without power for the past week. it's a positive development. it's the first time our crews have been able to broadcast live from here. so that's a good sign that people here will be able to

communicate. and governor josh green has reopened the primary road into lahaina. he said that is going to be a critical first step in helping to connect lahaina to the rest of the island. so i have been watching as people make their way back, the ones who made it out of here and they come here to this high point up on the ground and they take a look at what's left of their town and they're devastated, they are. they cry, they embrace each other and they take in all that they have lost. erin. >> gloria, thank you very much. next, trump fatigue. we're going to hear from some republicans who are having a change of heart after backing the former president. >> i kind of wish trump would just fade to be honest with you. >> plus an "outfront" special

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. new tonight, calling for change. a new poll from the associated

press showing a clear majority of americans do not want joe biden or donald trump to run for president again in 2024. 75% against another biden bid and 30% aga-- 69% donald trump. >> how are y'all? >> campaigning hand to hand, flip the french fry. but the main political attraction during scott's visit to the state fair tuesday was news of front-runner donald trump's fourth indictment. >> we see the legal system weaponized against political

opponents. that is unacceptable. >> scott attacking the legal positive instead of the former president, trying to keep his campaign positive. and showing little appetite to take on any candidate, even trump, despite mounting legal woes. >> i'm campaigning because i believe my optimistic, positive message is being rooted in iowa. >> that optimism comes as some iowans tell cnn they're sick of trump, who still holds a dominant lead in the race. >> i'm considering other people that i think would also do a good job, maybe without some of the conflict that president trump has with all the lawsuits. >> i kind of wish trump would just fade to be honest with you. >> scott and his supporters have blanketed iowa and new hampshire with more than $10 million worth of ads. at an event in cambridge, iowa, he saw the payoff first hand.

>> i say in my commercials, if you take out a loan, you pay it back. hallelujah. y'all, this is great man. y'all is hurting to see the commercials. i was wondering if they were buying anything with the money i was spending. >> in the hawk eye stay, 69% of like likely caucus goers say they have a favorable views of scott. his pursuit of momentum will have to carry into next week's debate. a crucial test and opportunity. with florida governor ron desantis seeking to reboot his campaign and trump's appearance on the stage very much in doubt, scott is convinced he can compete. >> i'm going to continue to run this race for one objective, it's to be the president of the united states. >> reporter: his campaign just releasing this video. >> you get in the race for president to win. >> reporter: what is your campaign strategy to dwayne momentum between now and the debate? >> the good news is we're going to continue to focus on the

optimistic, positive message anchored in conservatism with a back bone. >> now scott could find himself at the brunt of attacks on the debate stage next week, given this relative momentum he's enjoying, but his team tells us he's prepared. they are preparing him with traditional debate prep and reminding him to remain cheerful no matter what happens, because it is his cheerfulness that seems to be resonating with some voters. >> eva, thank you very much in des moines. "outfront" now, a long-time republican strategist from iowa, the chief strategist for the 2016 jeb bush campaign. i know you said you don't yet know who you will support but it won't be donald trump. thank you very much. we see the polls, 69% of all americans, including 37% of republicans don't want trump to run again in 2024, but when you look at iowa right now, is there the possibility for tim scott or anyone else to defeat trump?

>> yeah, absolutely. 70% of iowans are open to someone else, even though donald trump has a fairly substantial lead at this point. iowa always breaks late, it usually contains a surprise of some kind and i think any one of these candidates, tim scott, nikki haley, have an opportunity. that's one of the things we'll see from the debate. things move late in iowa. i think a lot of people are looking for someone else and tim scott's optimistic message, we'll find out whether or not that's what people want. >> so you mentioned the debate. we have multiple sources telling cnn now that trump's advisers believe he does not plan to attend that first debate in milwaukee. desantis just spoke saying trump owes it to the people to debate. i know we went through this game last time. this is different this time. he went through this, he didn't go and then he went after that to the next one.

if he skips the debate, does anyone care in the republican primary voter group? >> yeah, i think so. i think it will show some weakness. i don't think it's a smart strategy to skip it. i do think he'll do it, skip the first one. he'll be watching to see how many eyeballs are paying attention to that debate. he'll be looking to see what the other candidates are saying about him and at the end of the day i think he's going to want to end up on that debate stage, which is i think where most voters and the rest of the candidates want him to be so they can take a crack at him. >> and see it again. >> so tim scott thus far when you talk about taking a crack, we're starting to see cracks in the facade of people like scott and desantis who just refused to criticize trump. that's starting to change. one of the 2024 rivals, chris christie said you can't be nice to trump, to win you have to

take him on directly. >> you have to fight him on the truth. when he lies, we need to fight him because to ignore him is to ascent to his lies. and i'm not doing that. i'm not going to do it anymore. if your principles aren't worth fighting for, then don't fight for them. stay on the bench. >> the reality is the vast majority of republicans say they believe the election was stolen, which was false. so is chris christie right? >> yeah. look, you can't run for president without saying why you'd be better and why the other people would not be as good. at some point you've got to directly take on the front-runner. if nobody takes a real run at donald trump, he'll be renominated and on his way to the general election. at some point you have to go at

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tonight the brutal russian mercenary group wagner, the private military group registering as an educational organization in belarus. this as lithuania is closing two of its six borders citing wagner as a security risk. this shows ukrainian ground forces firing on ground weeks, wiping them out. this as c tcnn is gaining image where the russian deforforces

experience defeat. >> yet another village announced l labor rate liberated wednesday. the victories may be small but they are constant. and down here, yet another town as the counteroffensive does move forward. we were just seeing the neighboring village taken last week but they keep moving. with that much incoming, we're getting out of here as quick as we can. while they control this area, the russians do everything they can to make it a nightmare for the ukrainians to be there. >> they showed us the intense

fight by drone, dropping a string of anti-mines and once it turned, detonated. the video leased on wednesday of how they turned their fire power on what was once a russian stronghold that shelled them. the company commander recalls many more russians hidden there than he expected. very many died, he said, especially when they sartarted run and when they held houses, lots of them died there. but they were caught as they fled. the smoke around russians likely made by cluster munitions. ukraine has said it is already using some rounds controversially supplied by the united states. we could not confirm if these here were the new american cluster bombs but the losses suffered were clear and they say their use is less of an ethical

dilemma when you're in this brutal fight. he said that side is using whatever they want. our people are dying from all this and it's okay. when the other side die, it's not? i don't understand. his footage shows how young some in the assault were. he has no time for western analysts who say this should be moving faster. "i would say they could always come to me as a guest and fight with me, he says. if someone believes you can fly over the mine field on a broom like in "harry potter" in a real fight. if you don't understand that, you can sit in your arm chair and eat your popcorn. out here the last month of advances feel both empty and grueling, littered now with russian dead. they haven't moved perhaps as far as it has felt.

these just empty farm fields in which many have died to take each kilometer. the russians mined so hard here, they used this machine to do it. so much damage done. it's hard to imagine what plans who is coul moscow had for here at all had they claimed it. >> they liberated the village across the river if where we are today. the problem they said they had was russians hiding out were shelling them. well, now the ukrainians have moved forward, they've taken that village and gotten rid of that problem. this is village by village. it is slowly but you cannot doubt there is progress. >> and slow but progress we had not seen. maybe the cluster munitions are a determining factor right now, yet to be said for sure.

i want to bring in steve hall. this progress in the counteroffensive coming as the wagger group seems to be massing in belarus and is gone and officially registered as an educational group there. it seems almost absurd, right, what would be a need to even put such a scharade out there. what do you think is going on? >> it k's kind of a question of what do you do with these guys? they've already showed themselves to be a threat to the kremlin. a deal was cut. now there's a bunch of this emin belarus where the pols have said we're concerned they're there. now the other baltic nations said maybe we need to close some of our border crossings. putin understands there is western political concern about some sort of greater war with russia. if these guys were on the border with nato countries, maybe bad

accidents can happen. but he can't forget about them either. at one point it looked like they were coming for him. he's got to keep an eye on them as well. where do you put these guys? i think belarus is the only option. >> lithuania has said because of this wagner gathering that they're going to close several of their border crossings with belarus. what do you think? is it a real risk that these forces could cross borders and do something? >> you know, i think the threat of it, i'm not a military analyst but i think the threat of it is greater than the actual tactical meaningfulness. it would escalate things in a geo political fashion and that's how that benefits putin. realistically do we think they're going to invade poland? i don't think thiey'd be successful. the ukrainian would have to

strengthen that flank with bell a belarus. i'm not sure that they're significant. >> we've learned that the secretary of state antony blinken spoke with an american held in a russian penal colony, five years of confinement all together. the fact that this conversation happened is significant. it does come of course as "the wall street journal" is reporting that there's no evidence that putin has any interest in hostage swaps right now or doing anything about "the wall street journal" reporter who is also there in prison. do you think there's progress being made at all right now? >> reporter: you know, if there is, erin, it's going to be very, very closely held behind closed doors, which is how the russians really prefer to do it. there's no good time to be a foreigner, especially an american or westerner in a

russian jail, but now is a particularly bad time. aside from a couple of what i think are relatively small fish we might have in american jails, some of these young hackers who might have been acting on behalf of the russian governor, extradited to the united states a year or two ago, besides that i'm not sure if there's anybody left who the russians are interested in. >> it's not looking good for those guys. >> and they used a lot for the brittney griner swap as well. thank you. >> sure. >> and next how the suspect in the gilgo beach murders is spending his time in jail. and indicted, accused d of impersonating a high-ranking aide on capitol hill.

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i appreciate your time, sheriff. it's good to speak to you again. and i know it's not a family member that's visited, but you did say that heuermann has now had a visitor other than his attorney, one other person. can you tell us any more about who that person is, how long are the visits, any context here? >> sure. first, thank you for having me on. mr. heuermann did have one visitor, obviously someone that's known to him because he's denied two or three visits already. we don't know the extent of the conversation. we know it lasted less than the hour time that we allot for visits whenever someone's visiting someone in our custody. i do not know how the conversation went. i do not know how this individual was contacted to even think to request a visit. >> but the person did reach out to -- you don't know how long heuermann knew this person or whether the person reached out

to him, could be some of the media, anything like that? that you either don't know or aren't able to share? >> that, i do not know. he could have reached out to this individual through his attorney or through anyone else he may have called on the phone, because he is allowed to make outgoing phone calls in our facility. so, anyone that he may have spoken to may have contacted this individual. or maybe this individual just knew he could attempt to visit him and mr. heuermann would accept it. >> so, it's obviously very interesting. you see what happened when this person returns. i know heuermann has been in your jail for more than a month. today you gave your local affiliate an inside look inside your facility, to give a sense of the conditions or how he's really living. you said he was reading fiction books last time we spoke and he was participating in recreation time. what is he spending his time on now? have you seen a change?

>> yes. you know, in the first couple of days or the first week or two that he was in our custody, he was laying on his bed. he was sleeping a lot. now he's participating in recreation, which means he walks around the yard. he's by himself. he has the option to play basketball. they shoot a basketball. he can do pull-ups, dips, situps, push-ups, which he doesn't do. he just walks around the yard. participates in religious services. he goes tour library, where he's able to take out books, which he's been reading. seems like he's reading a lot now. >> and fiction, you said? >> yes. he's reading fictional books zblchl so, one thing that was supposed to happen, i understand today, and you had said was crucial was a direct sample of his dna. we know there was dna on a pizza crust, but a direct dna sample, had to go through a procedural court to get that. public court documents indicate the swab was expected to take

place yesterday. has it happened yet? >> so, the district attorney's office is who we are working with very closely, will announce whether that dna swab sis actually obtained yesterday. so, we're going to respect the district attorney's office and wait for their announcement as to whether it did or did not happens. >> that could, of course, though, if they have it, they could all of a sudden see whether he is linked to other potential murders. i know in las vegas the police department wants to do a direct comparison with his dna with a sex worker they know was murdered there. there could be more. do you know how many cold cases that you think could possibly be opened up when that dna is obtained? >> that's a great question. there can be so many when you go down to south carolina, if there's any missing sex workers or any bodys that have been recovered over the last several years that can now be attributed to mr. heuermann or even what's going on in las vegas. so, once that dna has been

analyzed and it's distributed to those jurisdictions and possibility other jurisdictions across the eastern seaboard, where mr. heuermann may or may not have been, we can see whether he is a direct participant in any crimes in those jurisdictions. >> all right. we'll see what happens and whether this case gets more big breaks. thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. and next, a campaign fund-raiser for congressman george santos indicted tonight by a federal grand jury accused of posing asafo- a top aide to spspeaker mccarthy. but to advance how the game is playayed. aaa relies o on t-mobile's network to stay connected nationwide, so they can help get their members back on the road. and we're helping pano ai innovate, to stop the spread of wildfires. now's the time to see what america's largest 5g network can do for your business.

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impersonating a top aide to house speaker kevin mccarthy. a campaign fund-raiser for george santos has been indicted the in a federal grand jury in an alleged scheme to defraud. going so far as to make a fake email account to solicit contributions for santos. the indictment says he communicated with santos about the scheme. santos himself was indicted on 13 counts of federal fraud and money laundering charges. he, of course, has pleaded not guilty and is running for re-election. we'll see how this all develops. thank you so much for joining us. us. it's time now for "ac 360." -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com tonight on "360," breaking news, a woman charged with threatening the judge in a 2020 federal election subversion case. also fani willis has a trial