and we're going to start this morning with that major storm we're tracking posing a threat to the west coast. hurricane hilary intensified overnight into a powerful category 4 storm as it nears cabo san lucas, mexico. >> it could bring heavy flooding to baja, california, that peninsula in the southwest of the country, by the weekend. hurricane hilary expected to weaken as it hits north. if it hits as a tropical storm, it would be unprecedented, the first one to do so in 84 years. our meteorologist derek van dam tracking it all. what does it look like it's going to do? this will be in a significantly weakened state by the time it impacts the southeastern u.s., that's extremely important as a weather communicator that people understand that just because we have a category 4 storm lurking off the coast of the baja peninsula does not mean we'll

have category 4 winds in southern california. however, the impacts will be significant mainly because we're going to catch a large population density off guard because this hasn't happened since 1939, the last time a tropical storm made landfall. the official track shows a landfall and tropical storm, does it move inland? does it stay over open water? that's to be determined. one thing for sure, it will interact with significantly cooler ocean waters, and that will help weaken the storm as it approaches the southwestern u.s. if the track takes it offshore, so no land interaction with the baja peninsula, more of a coastal impact, so look out for large waves, coastal erosion and urban flooding possibility between los angeles and specifically into san diego. if this storm takes a more easterly track, this brings the greatest impacts inland to southern california, parts of western arizona and southern nevada sunday into monday. we'll look out for the wind

impacts but the flash flood track, this is what i'm concerned about, a high risk, very rare from the weather prediction center, including palm springs for excessive flash flooding. get this, we could get one to two years worth of rain in a matter of a day or two. it is going to produce significant rainfall, and we're looking out for millions under flood watches as we speak including, look at this, las vegas, los angeles, and just west of phoenix. so a very, very difficult next 36 to 48 hours. poppy? >> keep us posted, derek van dam. this morning there's a lot of fallout and many questions over why there wasn't warning for the catastrophic wildfires in hawaii. at least 111 people are confirmed dead. maui's emergency management chief has resigned in wake of the deadliest fire in over a century.

he was facing criticism as the inferno closed in on lahaina. he defended the decision to not sound the alarms. >> hawaii's water management agency is coming under scrutiny. a state official may have delayed giving permission to use extra water to fight the fire as the disaster unfolded. and also the atf announced it is sending a team of investigators to find out where and how the wildfires started. maui's mayor cetells cnn over 4 cadaver dogs are scouring the scorched ruins. randi kaye, you have been driging into the many questions about what happened and in particular why the warning sirens did not sound. what are you finding? >> reporter: absolutely, phil. we wanted to know what happened and we think the people of hawaii certainly deserve answers. as we were digging into this, we found a lot of changing stories, a lot of explanations that continued to change and, quite frankly, a lot of excuses, and

none of it really added up. all of this as the death toll continues to rise. >> so many of us residents felt like we had absolutely no warning. >> reporter: hawaii has one of the largest public safety outdoor siren warning systems in the world, sirens that were silent as wildfires raged. the question is, why? first, it was this -- >> it would not have saved those people on the mountainside. >> do you regret not sounding the sirens? >> i do not. the sirens, as i mentioned earlier, is used primarily for tsunamis. >> reporter: that's what the head of maui's emergency management agency said wednesday, before suddenly resigning a day later. but even before that press conference ended, his reason had changed. this time suggesting the sirens weren't used because people wouldn't have been able to hear the warning. >> it's an outdoor siren. so a lot of people are indoors, air conditioning on, whatever the the case may be, they're not going to hear a siren.

plus the winds were very gusty and everything. i heard it was very loud. and so they wouldn't have heard the sirens. >> reporter: the same story with hawaii's governor. first this -- >> the sirens were typically used for tsunamis or hurricanes. to my knowledge, at least i never experienced them in use for fires. >> reporter: then minutes later, another explanation. this time the governor suggested at least some of the sirens were broken. >> the sirens were essentially immobilized, we believe -- we believe -- by the extreme heat that came through. some were broken and we're investigating that. >> reporter: yet that doesn't all track with the county's own webpage, mauisirens.com which clearly states how the sirens system is capable of alerting residents to multiple disasters including wildfires. >> emergency alert -- >> reporter: and we also found this explainer about the sirens' uses on hawaii's emergency

management webpage. >> we use sirens for hurricanes, brushfires, flooding, lava, be hazmat conditions, or even a terrorist event. >> reporter: this map also from the county's page, shows where the warning sirens are located. according to the state there are about 400 sirens statewide including 80 on maui. and in the historic town of lahaina where more than 100 people were killed in the flames, there are five sirens, five sirens that were not used to warn those in grave danger. instead, officials say they chose to send alerts by text message to cell phones as well as alerts on land lines and through tv and radio. >> it is our practice to use the most effective means of conveying an emergency message to the public during wild land fire. >> reporter: while that may have worked in some cases, the wildfire moved so swiftly, it knocked out power and cell service, so how were residents supposed to receive those warnings? >> there's no warning at all.

there's not a siren, not a phone alert, nothing, not a call. >> reporter: and hawaii has had problems in the past with its alert system. in fact, in 2018 a cell phone alert mistaken lly alerted residents of a missile attack. that was a false alarm. in 1960, this has been going on for quite some time, after a tsunami hit the area of hilo, residents didn't even know what the alarm meant. they didn't know what to do. instead of going up into the mountainside for safety, they ran toward the ocean and 61 people died. poppy, phil? >> randi kaye, great reporting. thanks so much. we also have new exclusive cnn reporting about pro-trump lawyer kenneth chesebro and his whereabouts on january 6 during the insurrection. he was the alleged architect behind the plan to submit a

fraudulent slate of electors. he was among 19 people including trump indict this had week on racketeering and other charges in georgia's election subversion case. our justice correspondent has this exclusive reporting. where was he? >> well, according to a cnn investigation, what we found is he was outside the doors of the capitol on january 6 surrounded by the mob of protesters but also significantly following around a leading voice of the stop the steal movement and conspiracy theorist alex jones. now this morning the big question, what was he doing there? he is one of the alleged co-conspirators in two cases against donald trump for 2020 election interference. now for the first time cnn has identified kenneth chesebro outside the capitol on january 6. he followed right wing conspiracy theorist alex jones for about an hour. chesebro is the alleged

architect of a plot to use fake electors to stop the certification of joe biden's win. this week he was indicted along with trump and 17 others in georgia. he's also been identified as an unindicted co-conspirator in the federal case against the former president. >> cnn projects joseph r. biden jr. as elected the 46th president of the united states. >> reporter: in the days after the november 2020 election, chesebro wrote a memo to a lawyer for donald trump. it's among the earliest known documents outlining the legal strategy trump would allegedly try to use. his memo focuses on january 6 as the hard deadline with ultimate significance to determine the validity of electoral votes. emails obtained by the january 6 committee show chesebro later suggesting to the trump campaign the ferp of, quote, wild chaos on that day could provoke the supreme court to take action. >> go to the white house. >> reporter: at the same time alex jones was helping to pay for and plan the january 6 rally

urging his massive audience to gather in washington, d.c. the night before, he would warn of a coming battle. >> this will be their waterloo. this will be their destruction. >> we fight. we fight like hell, and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore. >> reporter: when asked if chesebro was in washington the first week of january, chesebro pleaded the fifth. >> let's go take our country back! let's start marching on the capitol! >> reporter: there is no question he was there. cnn analyzed publicly available photos and videos from that day which show his movements in the hours before the inis your reck, he was with alex jones and his entourage, a short distance from the capitol. chesebro is here wearing a red trump 2020 hat as lawmakers prepare to certificate the results of the election inside the building, chesebro follows alex jones and a crowd of protesters as they walk towards

the capitol. chesebro has his phone out seemingly recording jones' every move. >> let's march around to the other side and let's give the system what they want. >> reporter: as jones was leading the crowd to the east side of the capitol, the west side was breached and rioters poured in. while chesebro was on capitol grounds, he appears to show something on his phone to a member of jones' security team, then jones and chesebro climb the capitol steps. >> 1776. 1776. >> reporter: there is no indication chesebro entered the capitol building or engaged in violence, but shortly after chesebro and jones left the steps on the east side, the capitol was breached again as the mob poured into the doors. in all, more than 2,000 rioters would enter the building, vandalizing and looting, attempting to prevent a joint session of congress from counting the electoral college votes. the house committee

investigating january 6 would eventually call it the final step in donald trump's plan to try and overturn the election, a plan that started in earnest with kenneth chesebro. and we're hearing from kenneth chesebro's attorney who told us last night he spoke to my coll colleague saying they're going to allow the legal process to play out and that they're declining to issue any public comment at this time. and that sort of has been chesebro's thing. he hasn't wanted to talk about it before the january 6th committee. he pleaded the fifth. he claimed attorney/client privilege for most of the interview. he is one of the people who is going to have to surrender in georgia next week by friday. >> great reporting, shion. i want to bring in elie honig. when you know kenneth chesebro's role in the federal and state cases, whether indicted or not, what's your take on what you

saw? >> this is a big problem and here is why. his defense, and the defense i think we'll hear from a lot of players, this is lawyering. you can't criminalize lawyering. the main thing up until now we knew kenneth chesebro was doing was writing memos suggesting ways to try to disrupt the electoral count. he's not just some lawyer sitting in an ivory tower thinking of novel legal theories. now we see he's literally at ground level. i think that raises real questions about his participation. the other important thing to know about kenneth chesebro, shimon and i were discussing, he is the underrated player here. everyone is focused on the other lawyers, rudy giuliani, john eastman, sidney powell. if you read the indictment, he's the driving force, the one who is really coordinating with not just the top players but the local players, too. >> especially on the fake electors. >> the wisconsin memo. >> also, he's the driving force behind this idea that you can bring in these fake electors.

the whole thing that's really interesting with him, he's about sort of creating chaos. delay, delay -- >> he wrote as much. >> and it's sort of let's just create this chaos, this uncertainty, and hopefully we can delay, delay, delay, and somehow the former president can get more votes and somehow this can all work in his favor. that's what so much of this is about. it's also significant because he won't admit that he had conversations with donald trump. they asked him in the committee hearing when he was questioned, did you meet with donald trump? what were the discussions? did you have any meetings with him? he said i'm taking the fifth. attorney/client privilege. clearly they know information and it's clear the special counsel has a lot of information about him. no one really knew anything about him. now his name has surfaced, you learn just how much he was behind all of this. >> may i add one thing to that, we hear about the fake elector scheme. if you look at both indictments,

their allegation is not that the intent was to trick people. everybody knew joe biden. you could go to -- everybody knew joe biden won. they were trying to create chaos f. we can get someone to sign on to this somehow or cause delay or confusion that will give us the opening we need. that's the charging theory. >> i want to ask quickly a question. does this in any way help the former president? can he say, well look, this la lawyer was the one telling me this was allowed and i can do this. are they going to try to use this as a defense? >> it's called advice of counsel. my lawyers told me this was fine. they're all charged as co-conspirators. >> great reporting. elie, stay with us. we're five days away from the first republican presidential debate. donald trump, we don't think, will be on stage. chris christie will. he's live with us next. >> and trump suddenly canceling

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alayna treene with more of this reporting. it is an about-face in terms of listening to people who tell him do not talk about this. >> that's true. and it is a rare move from the former president, but, listen, this press conference that he had announced he was holding caught a lot of people in trump's inner circle off guard, like you just said, poppy. his team and his lawyers in georgia have been very focused on the negotiations that are ongoing right now with the district attorney's office in fulton county. and so when they saw this post from donald trump, i think a lot of people were surprised. and they're skeptical of what he could say in that monday press conference and understandably so. a lot of false claims he has been peddling for the past several years now are exactly what he's being charged for in georgia. and so our reporting including our colleague kaitlan collins, we've learned his advisers had

been encouraging him not to do this. of course donald trump announced last night on social media that he no longer is going to be hosting this press conference on monday. he also thinks he wants to still put out some of this report in legal filings. it's yet to be seen whether or not that will actually happen. and one thing i want to point to as well, this report he was floating about wanting to present on monday was really kind of a pet project, i was told, of liz harrington, one of donald trump's aides, one of the people who has been one of the former president's fiercest allies and also has consistently peddled the false claims of the election being stolen as well. that gives you a sense of what he was planning on saying and now is no longer going to be doing. >> alayna treene, thanks for the reporting. elie honig is back with us. this is the question, beyond he's listening to his lawyers, that's different, the idea suggesting his lawyers definitely will be using this in some or many filings -- how

plausible is that? >> very low plausibility on that one. look, if he had this conference it would have been disastrous. he wouldn't have had anything. he would have been perpetrating more fraud, not that he would have been charged for it. when it comes time for trial if there was evidence of fraud, you can bet it would be part of his defense. i was told there was fraud and there actually was. it just doesn't exist so it's not going to make its way into the court case. there's no way the u.s. department of justice missed it, the fbi missed it, cis missed it, all these different agencies. the problem is he's trying to prop up this fiction. it was a wise move to not do this conference. it would have been a mess. >> jack smith wants trump to go to trial on the election subversion case in four months. trump's team says we want three years, april 2026. both seem unreasonable, am i

right? >> both sides are way off base. april 2026 is clearly negotiating -- >> like big tier football teams schedule their opponents five years -- >> exactly. >> who is even thinking about 2026? that said, i think it's important to note january 2024 date is not only unrealistic but raises legitimate constitutional concerns. >> for the defendant. >> for everybody. for the entire process. i fully understand the desire, the widespread desire, and the country and doj and the courts to get this case tried quickly. >> because of the election. they shouldn't be thinking about that. >> nobody should be thinking about this. let's talk nuts and bolts. this is four months away. donald trump's team has received 11 million documents. they can't physically go through those in four months. by the way, the average run of the mill fraud case in the federal system takes two years to get to court. if you force donald trump to trial in four months you'll have

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welcome back on this friday morning. we'll take a look at the premarket numbers. you see everything is down a little bit. the nasdaq futures down a little under 1%. the s&p 500 down as well. a little bit, not terrible. they fell on thursday. a third straight day of losses over fears of another fed rate hike. and now the investor played by

christian bale in "the big short" placed a new bet in the second quarter and it's a big one. one of the first traders to discover america's massive housing market bubble in 2008. he bet against it and made hundreds of millions of dollars. now appears to have made another big bet, betting against the stock market. joining us now actor, writer, director, ben mckenzie. thanks for coming in. >> thank you. >> i was just telling you we were talking about this yesterday because i'm obsessed with the story because i think there's a lot of nuance and context to the filing itself and i'm going to try not to wander down the granular rabbit hole that most people probably don't want to watch but the idea of this bet, he's betting on a financial collapse, a billion plus dollars. >> right. not true. it's a notional value t. could be worth $1.6 billion, what he

bet is far less. we don't know exactly. >> you don't have to disclose it. >> you don't have to disclose it in the 13f. it's $10 million at least, could be tens of millions. his fund is only $100 million. it's a big percentage of his fund, but we don't really know what goes into that. it could just be a hedge. what's interesting to me is that other big players, warren buffett in particular, has been selling a lot of stock these last six months. hoarding cash. if there were to be a downturn in the market, you would want to have cash because you would come in and scoop up stocks on the cheap. so there are some big players considering that the market is overvalued and historically speaking it is overvalued. >> i think that's a great point about buffett. he also waits to make big purchases until they're priced, what he thinks, is adequate. you don't just watch him selling but what he's not doing which is buying.

>> he's the oracle of omaha for a reason. >> if you could explain it to people, this could just be insurance, too. >> a lot of his positions are long, so he bets on certain companies that he thinks are undervalued. >> what does it mean when you're long on something? >> you buy it and you hold it. he could just be hedging. he could have some insurance. basically he's going to win either way. if the market goes down, he will profit from his put options. if the market goes up, he will profit from his long positions. it's hard to say and, also, unfortunate, the 13f is already a little outdated because that's only through the second quarter. >> that's a regulatory filing. >> regulatory filing, this is all so technical. but it is interesting to watch, the markets obviously went down in early 2022. they've come back up, although not to their full heights of 2021. and the fed, is it done raising interest rates? we don't know yet.

>> if you look at the broader macro numbers for the u.s. economy, i think it has -- all predictions have proven to be wrong but some of the smartest economists, talking about gdp, jobs, talking about just about everything to some degree, even the downward trajectory of inflation given the fed's efforts, you listen to janet yellen this is what she said this week. >> today overall inflation and the unemployment rate both sit below 4%. our economy continues to expand. and workers are better off than they were last year. real average hourly earnings have grown over the past year. that means wage gains are outpacing inflation. >> it's interesting to contrast that with what warren buffett is doing or the assumption over the course of the last 18 months that at some point there's going to be a downturn, there has to be an effect that hits the broader macro economy. >> look, if you zoomed out be

there's a lot of factual evidence to support that claim. i mean, you can look at what's happening in china, for example. the chinese economy is slowing down at a pretty alarm rate, and obviously at this point all these economies are interconnected and our economy is connected to china as any other. it'll be interesting to see. at some point the bill comes due. >> you bring up china. is it worse with china actually than on paper? >> they even stopped reporting their efforts. >> what keeps you up at night on the economy that you don't see on the front of "the wall street journal" that you think people should be talking about? >> i'm worried about the rate kick-in has a 12 to 18-month time lag. we're only at that mark now from when the fed started raising interest rates 18 months ago. i'm just worried if there's a lot of debt on the books, we

know about commercial debt here in manhattan, obviously pretty extensive. a lot of empty buildings. new york city announced they're going to convert empty office buildings into housing, which is great. there's a bill to come due there as well. >> if you're reading "the financial times" you see crypto took an 8% hit yesterday. he has a book. >> it's a great book. ben, congrats on it. come back soon. thank you. okay, there's a debate next week, five days away from the first republican presidential debate. a sense some particulars about one candidate's strategy and what will chris christie do? he joins us next. time selling to carvana. you just enter your license plate or your vin, answer a few questions. boom, , you get a real offer. sell your car to carvana today.

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just days until the first republican debate, governor ron desantis campaign having to explain a strategy memo like

documents from his super pac. sources tell cnn the memo stirred confusion and anger from fund-raisers and donors as first reported by "the new york times." the super pac urging desantis at the debate to, quote, hammer vivek ramaswamy and defend donald trump in response to a chris christie attack. >> this memo also has, quote, a specific suggestion for an attack line accusing mr. christie of appealing mainly to democrats. quote, trump isn't here so leave him alone. he's too weak to defend himself here. i don't think we want to join forces with someone who on this stage who is auditions for a show on msnbc. the response says this is not a campaign memo. we are not aware of it. we weren't aware it have prior to the article. with us now is chris christie, not in an audition or a show on msnbc. we appreciate you being here, governor. would you like -- you're in miami. we'll get to why in a moment. would you like to respond to this from desantis' hack?

>> first off, i would like to respond to what the campaign said. it's not a campaign memo. there is no desantis campaign. the entire desantis campaign is being run by the never back down super pac. they've gotten all the people at the campaign fired that they didn't like. and now they're writing strategy memos and putting them on the internet where everybody can see them. look, this just shows you it's not easy to run for president, everybody. and if you can't run for president in a way that doesn't create embarrassing process stories multiple times a week, you certainly can't run the white house and run the federal government or be trusted to sit across from president xi or vladimir putin or kim jong-un. it's an indication of something much, much bigger in terms of problems with governor desantis. but, you know, i'll show up wednesday night. we'll see how it goes. >> let's talk about how it's going to go. you called trump a coward for

not going. what are you going to do on the debate stage if he's not there? are you going to say that to ron desantis? will your attacks be against tim scott and desantis who stood by trump in all of these indictments? >> poppy, i have a very simple debate strategy. i'll listen to the questions, answer them directly and honestly, and if someone up there says something i believe is dishonest, call them out on it. that's it. i don't have any more complicated strategy than that. i don't and i doesn't think you need one. i think the american people want to see what's your plan for the future, are you strong enough to be able to implement them, and are you willing to put yourself in front of them and answer whatever questions come from two i think they good, credible interviewers. bret baier and martha. all of these people going through strategy stuff and coming up with canned lines and all the rest of it, it doesn't

work all that well. >> yeah, you pointed that out -- >> you called marco rubio that. >> covering your campaign at the time, to that point, though, you're not looking around and saying that's my biggest problem in new hampshire. that individual is the biggest hurdle i have to become the clear kind of contrast to donald trump here. you're not thinking through any of that. just going in and responding? >> that's right, phil. and, by the way, my biggest problem and what i'm focused on as the biggest problem for the republican party for defeating joe biden and that's donald j. trump. by the time we get to that stage wednesday night, guys, he is more likely than not going to be out on bail in four different jurisdictions. think about that. out on bail. i mean, the first question maybe should be from bret baier, donald trump, can you explain to us what the restrictions that were placed on you by all four

different courts are as a condition of your release from custody? imagine that we have a front-runner who has to answer those type of questions. i'm focused on that because i'm not focused on any one particular person except for the person who is ahead of me and in new hampshire, now that i've passed donald trump, or rather ron desantis, my next job is to pass donald trump there. that's what i am focused on, phil, is donald trump. >> were you surprised given you know the former president and his penchant for taking advice or not taking advice, that he canceled that monday press conference he set up because of his lawyers? >> no, i'm not surprised by it because what he now knows is, he's facing jail time. and he can't make his situation much worse and expect his lawyers to be able to do anything to help him. what he should have done, phil, is listen to his lawyers back in

the white house between november of 2020 and january 20th of 2021 when they told him, if you continue with this election interference activity, you are going to spend the rest of your life dealing with the criminal justice system. bill barr said that yesterday that that's what he was told not only by bill barr, his attorney general and other members of the justice department, but he was told that by his white house counsel as well, pat cipollone. maybe he wouldn't be under indictment in four jurisdictions today, and he wouldn't be putting the country through this. he's not doing this for us. he is doing this because he can't help himself, and i think the first smart decision he's made in this regard in a long time was canceling that ridiculous press conference monday where he was going to unveil evidence to us he's apparently been hiding from the american people for nearly three years. i don't think so. i think it would have been another junior show of "the

apprentice" we would have been watching on television. >> responding to the desantis campaign attack on you, auditioning as an msnbc show, there'sing there polling. quinnipiac says 32% of democrats have a favorable view of you versus 17% of republicans, and you're the most favored republican in another poll among democratic voters. that's great for general but is it out of step with where the republican primary electorate is? >> look, poppy, i had no question about the fact that when you want to tell the truth about donald trump that in the beginning there are going to be people who will react unfavorably to that. and i get that. but over time what people need to understand is i'm the only one telling the truth about donald trump. and what that shows you is, and they didn't break out the numbers among independents, which are even better than the numbers you showed for me.

that's what republicans are going to have to do to win the presidency in november. let me say this, poppy, i'm about beating joe biden. i don't want joe biden or kamala harris back in office. i think they've been a disaster. we have to have someone who can beat them. donald trump cannot beat them. i'm the person, by the way, when i ran for re-election in new jersey, i won with 61% of the vote in one of the bluest states in america, and did so by winning 51% of the hispanic vote, 29% of the african american vote, and over 70% of the independent vote. and that's the kind of formula you're going to need for the republican party to go back to winning a majority of the popular vote and the electoral vote in november of 2024, and that's what those numbers tell me. >> you make a good point, though, in the sense of what i'm interested in exploring here, you mentioned bill barr earlier and how sharply he's turned against the former president because of what's transpired and you mentioned that it was going to be hard early in a republican

primary given how people view trump with republicans. bill barr, even yesterday, saying would not commit to not voting for the former president again. i want you to listen to this. >> i've already explained that if i thought that one of two people is going to end up as the president that i wouldn't throw my vote away. i would try to make a decision who would do the least damage to the country. but if there are other options i would consider -- >> would you just not vote for president? >> if one of two people will make the ticket i would have to make the bitter choice. >> it's con sechable bill barr could vote for donald trump? >> well, as i said, i'll jump off that bridge when i get to it. >> other than you i'm not sure anybody else that high level of republican official has been so visceral in their criticism and colorful to some degree, of the former president. isn't that the problem, that you have republicans who say explicitly he's terrible for the

country. he should never be president again. and then them get asked, will you vote for him again? and won't commit one way or the other. if you can't break through that, that's a problem for candidates like yourself, isn't it? >> i don't think so, phil. listen, i think bill barr made it very clear he's not supporting donald trump in the republican primary for president. >> but he's one of those that should be the easiest to get to say explicitly, you have to get people to say i'm not going to vote for him, period, in order to shift the primary electorate to some degree. >> no. no, phil. step one to get them to vote for you in the primary. that's step one. bill barr made is clear he's not voting for donald trump in the primary and he can he can expec someone else to be the nominee. i bet he'll vote for me. he'll have to answer that question himself when he goes into a voting booth. in the end, what i say to you is that job one is to get

republicans to come to the same conclusion bill barr has come to, which is donald trump is bad for the party because he can't beat joe biden, and bad for the country baecause of things he hs done while president and most particularly in the post presidency period. and so, you know, i'm not worried about the general election at the moment and what people i can persuade to vote for me then. i will get them to vote for me now so we never have to confront the bridge bill barr said he was prepared to jump off. i'll give him a break. i'll be the candidate for president, and then he won't have to worry about jumping off any bridge. too bright a legal mind to have him commit suicide. >> people are not happy with bidenomics though there is evidence it's working. you've been critical of it. trump said he wouldn't reappoint jerome powell as head of the fed. you said you would consider it.

do you still have that position? would you keep jerome powell? has he done a good job? >> i think if donald trump were elected president, jerome powell would probably jump off the same bridge bill barr talked about. look, anybody who doesn't do exactly what donald trump says exactly when he says it goes from being brilliant, which is what he called jerome powell when he appointed him, to someone he wouldn't reappoint. >> what do you think? is he brilliant? does he stay? >> i don't know if he's brilliant or not, but i will tell you this, he's starting to bring inflation down, which is the job of the fed. and all of us knew that when joe biden went crazy with his spending, even larry summers said that it was going to create big inflation, and it did, and it left the fed with no choice but to raise interest rates in order to bring that inflation back under control because inflation is the hidden tax that kills every family in this country when they go to the gas

station, to the supermarket, to pay for their educational costs, to pay for clothing for their kids. that's the pain americans are still feeling now. and, poppy, we've seen gas prices go up 30 cents in the last ten days a gallon while people are trying to get in their last bit of maybe a vacation before school starts. this is a tax that really hurts those folks, and may make it unaffordable. that's bidenomics. 7% mortgage interest rates where the more gajstgages are $1,300 month than when joe biden became president. if that's bidenomics, he can keep it. jerome powell has done exactly what he needed to do in terms of trying to bring inflation back under control, which is hurting the american people. and it wouldn't be happening at all if it hadn't been for joe biden's crazy, reckless spending which drove inflation to double digits for the first time since his favorite president, jimmy carter. >> there's a lot of spending in

the trump administration, too. covid spending especially. i hear you. you sound ready to debate. we hear you have to go. we'll let you go, governor. come back soon. >> thanks, governor. >> we will. thank you very much, guys. it's great to be on with you. i appreciate you having me. >> enjoy miami. health officials across the country are bracing for another triple threat of viruses this fall. dr. sanjay gupta will fill us in on how to be prepared. also, emotions running very high inside a mississippi courtroom after a judge declares a mistrial in the case of two white men accused of shooting at a black fedex driver. >> with great reluctance the court has no choice in mistrial.

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♪ ♪ health officials across the country are gracing for another trip of viruses this fall. three respiratory, covid, the flu and rsv could all hit the same time. stop me if you heard this before. already an uptick in covid cases. cnn chief medical correspondent dp kbooup google play joints us now. starting with covid. where do we stand on this? >> you know, it's interesting. there is good news and bad news here overall. there is not a lot of testing going on, as you probably know. so it's hard to get a sense of the real numbers, the amount of transmission out there. they do wastewater samples. when they look at wastewater, there is a lot of covid that's out there. what we look at is hospital admissions, trying to figure out if that's a good sort of measure of what's going on. let me show you the country as a

whole. patches of the country, red and orange places you see more significant increase. few places the numbers are going down, and yellow is sort of stable. that gives you a snapshot of how things look now. it's august, as the weather is cooler and drier, we know that the viruss tend to spread more. let me give you the sort of trajectory the last couple of years of how things looked. we know if you look at that surge in the middle there, that was omicron. before that in september of' 21 that was delta. far right of the screen is where we are now. the numbers are going up, but august of this year right now is about a quarter of what august of last year was. so the answer, i guess, is we are going to see -- we know the numbers will continue to go up, but luckily they are starting at a much lower level than in years past. >> we talk to you -- we did talk to you almost day during the pandemic. can you remind people of the latest guidance.

if someone tests for any of these three positive, what do they do? stay home again? >> yeah. this is probably the question i get more than anything else. first of all, if you're sick, you should stay home. that was guidance that existed long before this pandemic. so that's important to keep in mind. so with covid specifically, if you test, then isolation is zero to five days. so really five days after a positive test, that's how long you have to isolate. now, one quick caveat there. if you have symptoms and then you test a couple days into your symptoms, your icelation actually begins on the first day of your symptoms, okay? that make sense? so just to keep that in mind. you don't need to test to end isolation. if you have two negative tests, that means there is no mask that is recommended up to day ten.

comp cade, but the first five days you are most infectious, should stay home. you don't need to test to get out of that isolation at this point. >> you can see in the numbers this year is different. it's different because we have protection from all three viruses. what we expect vaccinations to look hike? >> i put this together to make this as simple as possible. flu, covid, rsv. really dependent onnage. under the age of 60, before halloween get your flu shot. late september for covid, that's when the new booster is expected to come out. it is not an exact match for what is currently circulating in the country, but it's still good protection, especially for people who are vulnerable. you don't need to worry about rsv under the age of 60. same guidance for those over the age of 60. talk to your doctor specifically about rsv if you are at high risk for that vaccine. >> thank you, friend. >> you got it. thank you. now to this story. a mistrial declared in the case

of a white father and son charged with the attempted murder of black fedex driver in mississippi. gregory and brandon case accused of chasing and shooting d'monterrio gibson who was delivering packages to a brookhaven home last year. here is reaction when the court declared a mistrial. >> the court has no choice in this matter but to grant a motion for a mistrial. >> explain to us, dianne, why a mistrial, and who our viewers just saw on the screen with that reaction to the judge. >> well, that was the mother of d'monterrio gibson, poppy. a shocking moment in court.

after police officer admitted to withholding evidence, the detective under oath on the stand had a videotaped interrogation, a witness statement with that victim that never turned over to the defense or the prosecution. now, the judge granting that motion for a mistrial that came from a defense attorney for the defendant, brandon and gregory case, the white father and son charged with attempted murder. they were accused of chasing and shooting at gibson, a black fedex driver, who was making deliveries on a dead end road one evening in january 2022. he says he was wearing the fedex uniform in a hertz rental van when a white pickup van came behind him blowing a horn. a man with a gun came out and the pickup truck trying to block him in. he heard several shots and felt shots on the van there that he was driving and the pickup truck

chased him out of the neighborhood to the interstate. gibson spoke to cnn and said even though this happened a year and a half ago, it feels like a lifetime of waiting. now he has to start all over again. he says he feels like this was intentional. >> it's definitely a screw-up. it's not the first one they had. my case, other cases. due to negligence on their part, i feel like i'm not going to say it's -- everything was purposely done. it's a lot of incompetence in the police department for them not to turn over a certain piece of evidence, didn't sit right with me. >> cnn has reached out to the brookhaven police department for comment. they have not responded to us. gibson's attorney, poppy, tells us that they expect they won't -- they will get a new trial, but it won't happen until later this year or perhaps next year. they do plan to file a civil suit against the city of brookhaven, they tell us. >> thank you for