tonight on 360, first a canceled press conference, now, apparently a debate no-show, behind the former president's sudden attack. that, and news on when he will surrendering georgia. also tonight, a cnn trump advisor who took the fifth, when he was asked what he was doing january 6th. tonight we know what he was doing and with whom. later, when hurricane hillary could have in store for southern california, bracing for its first storm of this magnitude since 1939. good evening, thanks f joining us. the form president is expected to himself in at the atlanta county judge. fray is t 19 defendants. trump, his former chief of staff, lawyers, a top justice department official, and others all been booked, finger printed and, with the exception of the president, and former president, photograph. in the last two days, the former president has backed out of opportunities to be seen by

millions of television viewers. yesterday cancel that press conference and announced monday to repeat lies about the election in georgia, what he calls a repeatable evidence of fraud. today we learned he is planning, as of now, to skip next week's republican debate on fox, in favor of a sit down with tucker carlson. we talked with two lawyers about what criminal defense lawyers play into his decision. we start with chief correspondent, katelyn collins on the politics for and foremost driving it. she joins us, along with conservative columnist, george conway, and senior contributor, the white house counsel in the nixon administered. so, what is-- we know the reasons he has backed out? >> of the debate? the debate, press conference, everything. >> either one. >> the debate he had kind of been keeping people on edge this week, asking people should he go. a lot of people though who he asks that you said they don't think he was ever really considering it. he hasn't done any formal debate prep or anything like that to prepare for this. so they didn't expect them to

show up. it would have been a big difference if he decided to go. obviously, monday, with the news conference, that is a little decision really. wednesday i think is a political decision not to show up to that debate. because he does feel like he doesn't really need to go and show up. certainly everyone who has tried to goad him into being there is saying that it is week if he doesn't drop, disrespectful to republican voters. if he doesn't show up, none of that has really registered with him in a way that he cares about, but it is surprising, given that they went to great lengths to try to get him to come to this. the republican chairwoman personally appealed to him to come. fox executives went to bedminster, trying to get him to come, believing he might actually show up. he clearly is not. >> in terms of what we know about this rendering next week? >> they are still negotiating the deal of what that is going to look like with secret service on the district attorney's office and the judge will have to sign off on the conditions they agreed to. the local sheriff, they said it will be local standard operating procedure, but

obviously this is the most high- profile prosecution of the country right now, and the idea that it is going to be anything standard is obviously not likely to happen when he does show up. we are expecting thursday or friday right now. we will see if that changes. that is the expectation at the moment. the question is, does he go in and get the exact process that any other defendant would get? we don't know about a mug shot yet. we do believe you will be fingerprinted. we don't believe you will be handcuffed. but they do medical screenings, they have all of these other steps he has to go through. and when we were reporting this out, i was thinking about how my reporting, when he was in washington being indicted there, he was irritated, essentially, at just the process of going through the standard procedure, having to wait, having to be fingerprinted, sitting in the courtroom for 20 minutes waiting on the judge to show up, and it is just completely silent in the room. those standard things that other defendants go through, he is not a typical defendant. >> george w, do you think this is the right move for the former president, both politically and legally? certainly not doing the press conference, legally, makes all of the sense of the world.

not showing up to the debate. >> yeah, i have to say, these are words that are difficult for me to say, but i agree with donald trump. i think he is doing the right thing by donald trump. absolutely. i don't see the upside to him to appear in this debate. all it does is give his opponents a chance to take free shots at him, which i would love to see, but he's doing, you know, with his commanding lead there really is no reason for him to show up and take a downside risk of running into chris christie. so, i think he's doing the right thing by donald trump. i think it is better for the voters to see him and to hear him respond to the attacks, but, you know, just looking at it from his interest he is doing the right thing. >> john, i mean, every time he holds a rally or makes a social media post or frankly even future debates, how much legal jeopardy does he put himself in? >> well, given his ability to put his foot in his mouth,

anderson, i think he has done it rather regularly. he has conceded an awful lot in public. he consistently does it. i'm sure that the prosecutors are monitoring it. they probably have staffers who do nothing but follow what he is doing and saying. so, i think it is high exposure, and it appears that, somehow, a lawyer got through to him, or he is now dawned on him that he might be in serious trouble. so he's backing down a little bit. >> it is interesting, katelyn, that a guy who was once the president of united states is not willing, at least for this debate, to stand on a stage and take the punches, and, you know, show himself to the american people in a debate format, and it's not like he's staying home, he is going on, you know, tucker carlson, who has been supportive of him all this time. >> i think that has even less-- it is more the idea that he is angry with fox news, he thinks

that they are covering his challengers in a more favorable way than they are him. i mean, he has always kind of had this expectation that, to cover him accurate-- to cover him, you know accurately, is to cover him unfairly. to actually cover what is going on or give other people airtime is a dig at him. that is how he views it. he thinks that they are in the pocket of ron desantis, that is's view. i think it has multiple avenues that he wants to go down, by sitting down with a hose that they fired, having this moment. and i think he also just understand that there is a potential at that debate for someone, like a chris christie, that he knows will only be attacking him. they are going to go after him on these issues. so, in his mind he just avoids all of that by not showing up. yeah, it is remarkable that he is-- he is signing reagan and other people that are talking about not doing it, but he's doing it because of his own political will and why he doesn't want to show up and what that looks like. >> george, we haven't heard from you for since the georgia indictment and the rico charge

of the head of it. how strong of a case you think it is? >> i think it is a very, very strong case. i think the evidence is overwhelming against him. i think it is a more complex case than the case that jack smith decided to bring in dc. and it is an interesting contrast to put the cases up against each other. one is rather simple, straightforward. the other one is like an air raid, and it just, it is going to be more complex. it is going to take longer. but i think there is a utility to it. because you can see almost the scope of the damage and the harm that trump caused. >> think many of the co- conspirators , the indicted are unindicted will ultimately flip on the prosecution? seems unlikely that they will actually go to trial. >> it does seem unlikely, anderson. and they go into the jailhouse to surrender and get rained and get a whiff of what that places like, or have any knowledge of what a hellhole the georgia

prisons are, i think you are going to have several that will want to come forward and say, let's see if we can't work out an arrangement, and so, i think maybe eight or nine will fall by the wayside. and plead. >> have you heard of any concern among people around the former president that, you know, left alone on the debate stage, some of these candidates may have breakout moments? >> maybe they will. we always kind of see that, you know, people have their moments. we have seen him, certainly governor desantis is worried about him at others. because he will be the next person on that stage, and donald trump is on there that they are attacking. but the debate is happening on wednesday night. trump goes on thursday in georgia and surrenders himself. that moment has a 24 hour lifecycle. because then it will be trump showing up in the jail, which is notoriously bad as don was just mentioning there, they've

opened investigations into it. but the conditions of it are pretty horrific. and you look at it, just the idea that the former president will be walking in there to be arrested his arraignment, which won't actually be his appearance, is remarkable in and of itself. so even if there is that breakout moment, it is such a bizarre point in the history of this country that 24 hours later the president will be turning himself in. it is not clear they will have legs, but we will see what happens if the defensive donald trump-- >> is a thursday or friday or we are not sure exactly? >> thursday at the earliest, thursday or friday. who knows, it is donald trump, everything comes with a caveat, maybe he decides to turn himself in the day of the debate. that seems unlikely at this moment, but governor christie today attacking desantis, sing if you are going to attack donald trump on that stage you should get out of the race. those comments will be interesting. and obviously trump has been very bothered by chris christie's criticisms and others witticisms. >> the former white house chief

of staff, mark meadows rudy giuliani, obviously trump, as well, expected to do the same thing. you think they have a good shot? >> no, i don't, because basically it is no business, it is actually no business of the executive, what happens when states count their votes. the constitution provides that federal elections are in the hands of congress, and in the hands of the states. and the chief of staff and president has no authority to supervise the counting of votes in fulton county, or anywhere else, and the fact that mark meadows went down there on his behalf wasn't an exercise of presidential authority, and he wasn't really exercising-- he was acting, essentially as a campaign staffer, and that should not be-- that should not entitle him to remove the case. >> john, the april 2026 trial date at the former president and his attorneys have given to the special-- to the judge in the january 6th case, i mean, almost 3 years from now, when do you realistically think that would go to trial? >> she is not going to give them what they want.

i think it is more likely to be somewhere in between 10 months and 14 months, which is ample time and certainly well within the due process. so i think it would be much sooner than later. >> thanks so much. we have the source at the top of the next hour. george connelly joins us. thank you so much. we know now, exclusive video what the lawyer, who devised the president's elector was doing with alex jones, on the day it all came to a violent head at the capitol. also the latest from hawaii tonight, the military has identified experts. that cold water can't clean. food fight!! [children yelling] [food splattering] cold water, on those stains?

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covered about where he was on january 6, 2021, something he, himself, refused to say. >> reporter: he is one of the alleged co-conspirators in two cases against donald trump for 2020 election interference. now, for the first time, cnn highs identified tennis just perrault outside the capitol on january 6th, shortly before he stormed the east side of the building. >> he followed rights wing conspiracy furious, alex jones for about an hour. he is the alleged architect of a plot to use fake electors to stop the certification of joe biden's win.

this week he was indicted along with trump and 17 others in georgia. he is also been identified as an an unindicted co-conspirator in the federal case against the former president. >> cnn expect joseph r biden junior is elected the 46th president of the united dates. >> reporter: in the days after the november 2020 election he wrote a memo to the lawyer for donald trump. among the earliest known documents outlining the legal strategy trump would allegedly try to use. 's memo focuses on january 6th as the hard deadline, with ultimate significance to determine the validity of electoral votes. emails, obtained by the january 6th committee show he later suggested to the trump campaign that the fear of quote, wild chaos on that day, could provoke the supreme court to take action. >> go to the white house. >> reporter: at the same time, alex jones was helping pay for and plan the january 6th rally, urging his massive audience together in washington, d.c. the night before trump's rally, he would born of a coming

battle. >> this will be their waterloo, this will be their destruction. >> we fight. we fight like hell. and if you don't fight like hell you won't have a country anymore. >> when he asked where he was the first week of january he pleaded the fifth. but there is no question he was there. cnn has analyzed publicly available photos and videos from that day, which show his movements in the hours before the insurrection. he was with alex jones and his entourage, a short distance from the capitol. just perrault is here, wearing a red trump 2020 hat as lawmakers prepare to certify these results of the election inside the building, he follows alex jones and a crowd of protesters as they walked toward the capitol. he has his phone out seemingly.

>> let's not fight the police and give them what they want. >> as jones was leading a crowd to the east side of the capitol, the west side was breached and he seems to show something on his phone to a member of his security team, and then jones and brynn gingras five climb the steps. there is no indication chesebro enter the capitol building or engaged in violence, but shortly after chesebro and jones left the east side, the capitol was breached again, the mob poured into the doors. in all, more than 2000 riders would enter the building attempting to prevent a joint session of congress from counting the electoral college votes. the house committee investigating january 6th would eventually call it the final step in donald trump's plan to

try and overturn the election. a plan that started in earnest, with kenneth chesebro. >> it is incredible reporting. i mean, has he responded? >> there's been nothing, no responses. the attorney did issue a statement, saying that they are going to sort of deal with this in court and not issue any public statement. now, brynn gingras five is supposed to be one of the guys turning himself in next week, but throughout this entire thing, there has been no clear standard or explanation why a trump campaign attorney was hired by the trump campaign would be there, so close to alex jones in the middle of this mob. there's really no, right now there is no explanation for that. >> appreciate that, thank you so much. with the former president not expected in next week's presidential debate, we will look at how that changes, the strategy by the other candidates, particularly chris christie today took a shot at ron desantis, saying he should leave the race to defend the former president.

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chris christie engine, the governor suggested that the former president might skip the first presidential primary debate, as multiple sources now tells cnn he is planning to do. christie said back then that doing so would give him quote, a free lane to go after the former president, and once he did that christie predicted the president would be at the second debate. the former governor is planning on a strong showing. omar jimenez caught up with chris christie in florida. with his sights trained on the former president, but also ron desantis. >> i do know that you have a couple of candidates with me. we want a president, who is focused on your problems? or do we want a president who will be spending his time trying to fend off the next criminal trial? >> reporter: just days to debate day, chris christie is in miami, in his home state of former president, donald trump, and former candidate, ron desantis. >> i am not conceding that conversation to ron desantis. you can be sure i'm not

conceding that conversation to donald trump. >> it has been a theme with the christie campaign. >> the front runner for our party's nomination is going to be out on bail in four different jurisdictions. >> reporter: but christie also use the florida setting to go for its governor, ron desantis. >> people are really beginning to wonder what the he stands for? >> he honed in on a recent memo from a super pack floating potential debate talking points that included defense donald trump, though a desantis campaign spokesperson stressed it wasn't a campaign memo and they were unaware of it prior. >> the only way to defeat someone is to beat them, if he thinks he's going to get on the d'este station a defense donald trump on wednesday night, then he's doing donald trump a favor and to our party a weber, come back to tallahassee, endorsed donald trump and get the hell out of the race. >> cnn has reached out to the campaign and christie's latest comments, but hasn't heard back.

recent poll shows support for desantis slipping, but he's trying to protect confidence going into the debate. >> i'm so excited about doing it, because most of what you do in this process is filtered through media. and you get the opportunity to speak directly to this many people. >> what are you hoping to accomplish with this debate that you have? >> get seen by more people. i listened the question, i try to answer it, and if somebody else has something on the stage that is really stupid i try to pointed out. that is the depth of our strategy. >> reporter: it is an authenticity that seems to resonate with some voters at friday's town hall. >> i find that really refreshing in a presidential candidate. >> reporter: even for some independence. >> everyone is afraid to say anything. and he actually got up and spoke his mind. >> reporter: which christie also plans to do on the debate stage, as his campaign feels momentum is on their side.

>> if people are going to vote for me or feel strongly about it we are going to get those numbers. for me i always do it better the second time than i do the first. i feel really relaxed and comfortable, and i know i am speaking the truth, and i think that is going to matter to people in the long run. >> omar, how is christie responding to the news of the president? >> yeah, so even when it was just a possibility, he said that doing so would be disrespectful to the gop party that has made him their nominee twice and to republican voters, but i sources have told cnn that he is planning to skip the debate, chris christie tweeted that, surprise surprise, a guy out on bail in four jurisdictions that can't defend his reprehensible conduct is running scared and hiding from the debate stage, trump, certified loser, verified coward. and of course, they have gone back and forth over the course of this campaign. christie hasn't been shy about attacking trump, trump has called christie quote a sad,

pathetic slob. we can probably expect that to continue. but regardless of all of that, a senior advisor to the christie campaign has told me that, in these first two months they feel that the christie campaign has gone about as well as it could be to this point, and they hope to continue that momentum and forward progress, as we, of course, get to debate day, where christie doesn't plan to just show up, but he plans to really shine once he is on that stage. regardless of whether trump is there or not. >> thank you so much. mckinnon, top advisor, both george w. bush and mccain campaigns, he joins us now. you think trump is wise to skip the debate mark? >> i don't. any candidate i've ever worked for over the course of years, anderson, was either anxious for a debate, or wanted to avoid a debate, whenever they wanted to avoid a debate it was because they were worried they weren't going to do well. with voters, it is an expectation that voters have

that that is just the price of admission for running for president. if you want to be president you have got to get on the stage, even if you are a former president. may be especially if you are a former president under indictment. i think trump will regret this decision, because it is the hottest spotlight, you know, the hottest spotlight in the world next week. all of the attention will be there, and i think you will watch it and think i could have cleaned their clocks and he probably would have, and should have up on the stage, but it will be exciting to watch chris christie. he is a home and wrecking ball, and if trump is not there, i could expect them to go after the next biggest kingpin, which is probably ron desantis. and it's interesting, he talked about the power of authenticity, and i think that is really important commodity in politics these days, it is very powerful when you can do anything that comes across as authentic, the problem for ron desantis is he now has that memo out there, where, so now anything that he does, that reflects anything that was in that memo is going to look like it was scripted, and believe me, chris christie will point

that out, just as he did against marco rubio the famous debate where he put him in a microwave and halted him. >> doesn't damage christie though, not to have trump on that stage to hammer him directly and sort of elevate himself? >> i don't think so. i think christie can just say he is not here because he's afraid of me, because i'm the only one speaking truth to power. and that is why he hasn't shown up, because i've taken it to him, and i think that i wouldn't be surprised if christie is right that he shows up in the second. >> desantis also made news when he said that biden won the 2020 election. what he wasn't asked, probably the most important question is if he admits that the election is free and fair, if all of the candidates are asked that on the stage next week, as they should be, do you think they dance around it? >> welcome i think it will be interesting, anderson, because i think increasingly, like what you are going to see, kristin leigh christie is certainly honest, desantis is starting to show this notion too is that

trump is a loser. ultimately, the way they are going to be trump, when they know there's a lot of supporters out there, we say, listen, we know you love the guy, he's our tribal chief, you love him, but because of all of the legal hurdles hanging over him, he is not the best general election candidate to go up against the democrat next year and increasingly, i think we will see that between now and iowa, that he will get underwater, and then he's going to increasingly be seen, as somebody who will lose the general election. but you only amplify that debate by saying he actually lost in 2020 as well, he's a loser. >> and if you are the former vice president, mike pence, on that stage, dealing into the criticism? as much as mike pence does that sort of thing? >> i think mike pence is kind of having a moment here in the last few weeks as the indictment stacks up, and the legal proceedings become more of a shadow allotting out trump's son, there is more emphasis on the act that the

constitution lacked that mike pence did, and i think he is starting to feel that a little bit, and i think, increasingly, he's going to lean in on that as the legal problems get worse for trump. >> i know you believe that once the weight of legal problems sink in, he is on his fourth indictment of the gop field in national polls, excuse me, he's only trailing biden in a head- to-head matchup by one point. according to the latest poll, when exactly do you foresee a tipping point? >> i think it has already started, anderson. the key is not to look at the national polls, but look at iowa. iowa will come first and whatever happens there will affect the rest of the race. and if you are an incumbent president, if you are a president-- a former president running to get reelected again, and you lose iowa, believe me, that is going to be a huge black eye, and it is already softening, and support has already softened in the last week or two, increasingly it has come down that there are problems, there are problematic

signs in iowa, and listen, if iowa goes south on trump, and it is the man who would be king. they see the blood, they see he is mortal, and you can see support evaporate really quick. >> so, where you see his support softening? >> well, i see it in iowa. and you see that he is now under 50 and iowa. ron desantis, despite his odds, is still at 20, and iowa voters take this very seriously, they often make their minds about the last minute and they move very quickly. and listen, trump's problems are going to be getting any better, they will only get worse, so i suspect that things are soft and iowa, trump as, you know, got problems with the governor there, he's got problems with other people who are not endorsing him, and i'll wins are not going to be happy about that, they will look at it and say this guy may not be the best to go up against a democrat. >> good to have you on here, thank so much.

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, that is the official: hawaii, after deadly wildfires as search and rescue teams continue to search the rubble and ash. officials say possibly more than 1000 people are possibly still unaccounted for. news today, the administrator in charge of emergency management on maui resigned. he cited health reasons. no more details were given. but the surprise resignation happened after he defended the outdoor siren system that would have one resident's of the fires. rejoined bill weir in maui. what are using on the ground, bill? >> well, anderson, this afternoon a bunch of local leaders from lahaina, held a press conference, basically imploring the governor to keep them in the loop, keep them at the table as they talk about when to reopen, how to rebuild. it is obviously they are working in a void of

information, just a vacuum. and we have communication backup on the island. we are actually next to a free wi-fi station here. so, you would think that these housing missing would have made first contact, but you have so many locals agonizing over the information. meanwhile, there are canine human cadaver remains for dogs searching feverishly. here's a look. >> reporter: with noses 40 times more powerful, he trained cadaver dog can smell something 15 feet deep. but in lahaina, the challenge for these boys and girls is not depth, but brett, as they work three and half square miles ash and loss. for their handlers, this is painstaking, heartbreaking work. for the dogs, it is hot and hazardous. >> easy, easy, buddy. so, this is prentice.

he's a boy. >> boy? >> yeah. >> reporter: burn pause and clumsy boots are just two more things to overcome. search and recovery teams from 15 different dates around the nation. los angeles county, serena solano has been working and living with her labrador partner for 9 years, including her state's first-ever deadliest campfire which laid similar waste to paradise, california. >> are you also looking for bone fragments? or signs triggering the search? >> we will. we do have some members that are coming with us, and they are also searching to see you if anything is visible that they can make out. it is little difficult though, because there's some stuff that you, it is just -- you are staring at this debris, and it is starting to look like it is bone, but it really is and. and so that is where we really rely on the dog.

>> so, we actually brought in about 40 different projects, because we want to make sure that we are doing it as fast as we can, while still remaining as accurate as we can, so, at the end of this we have the highest confidence. but as far as the timescale, it is really going to be about the technical search to make sure that we bring everybody home. >> because you are really searching at the granular level, right? >> a lot of cases this is typically smaller than what we are dealing with. we are making sure that the sensitivity, the somberness of it, this is a very special site to the people of hawaii, certainly the fact we are talking about homes community and lives. this is something that we take very serious with a lot of respect and we have to make sure that everything, down to the smallest things has that level of respect. >> not knowing where your friends and family are, still missing today, a lot of people are just so hurt, and in pain. >> reporter: according to the last update from the governor, over 1000 people remained missing, and while they understand that forensic science takes time, lahaina survivors are agonizing over how that number remains unchanged.

>> what you make of this number of the missing? you know? how accurate that is, and whether-- >> i believe it. i know this, because i know plenty of people who got out, you know people were stuck. a lot of people didn't make it out, but that number is real. i hope it comes lower. but at this point, we are over eight days, we are on our 10th day, and if we haven't found them yet-- they are gone. >> bill, i saw the l.a. county teams working in haiti. their efforts are extraordinary in situations like that. especially with that sense of respect that she was talking about. you really see that in the field. can you talk about what additional support is arriving to help identify, you know, as

you said, you are working at the granular level.'s >> yeah. we understand that the department of defense has sent six forensic anthropologist specialists. these are people who specialize in p.o.w., and m.i.a. remains of military, lost overseas. so, that is in addition to 50 some national guard troops, who are sifting through those remains there. but even if they find something , a forensic match to the dna samples takes time. we had a military leader of a task unit coming today and say, anderson, this is a multiyear response effort, here in maui. >> bill weir, thank you so much for being there. we are also keeping our eyes on a powerful category 4 hurricane, which can potentially threat southern california. hurricane hillary is set we can over the coming days, but it

will still be the first tropical storm to hit california in about 84 years. it is expected to dump more than a years worth of rain in california, nevada, and arizona. jen myers joins us from the senior weather center in atlanta. how dangerous could this storm be? >> for the flooding in southern california, even parts of nevada, arizona, deadly. without a doubt, catastrophic. i'm going to show you how long it rains in the same places. hours, and even in some spots, a day and half. there is the storm right there, 130 miles per hour. 120 9s category three. we are on the edge there between three and four, but the very first tropical storm watch, which i believe, by tomorrow morning, will be upgraded to a tropical storm warning. watch means conditions are possible in 48 hours. the wording means conditions will be happening in 36 hours. so we are just ramping closer and closer to where that storm gets here. the good news is that this is very cold water that this hurricane is now moving into. hurricane like temperatures above 80. while the temperatures and here

are in the 60s. try to go surfing in california without a wet suit. you won't be in the water very long. that is the problem here for the hurricane. that is the good news for the people of california and also northern mexico. the bad news is, how much rainfall is going to fall. anderson? we get about 4% of the day. we will call it 12 or 13 days in the entire year that we get this purple, this high risk but 39% of the fatalities for flooding for the entire year are in those 4%, or in those 12 or 13 days. 87% of the damages in those 4%. we have a lot of rain to come it will be falling for hours and hours and places that may get 2 to 5 inches of rain a year in 10 or two days. >> jeff myers, appreciate, thank you. what is the timing of this, you know? >> sure. this whole thing is kind of just getting rolling right now.

we have flood watches already in effect, and even some flood warnings around vegas. also the 29 palms. this is not even part of hillary at all. this is just the rainfall that would've happened anyway. let me move you ahead until about 3:30 or so, 3:00 tomorrow. that is when it begins to rain up here in san diego in the mountains to the east of san diego. notice how far the storm is still away. but this is still precursor rain. it is the humidity that is spilling out of the hurricane. so it will be raining hours and hours. just keep your eye on the same places. it is still raining 24 hours later. so, this is just a long- duration effect. i think we will lose infrastructure, we will lose bridges, we will lose roads and i just hope we don't lose people, because as long as you know it is coming and you can stay out of those low-lying areas, obviously they are closing national parks. this is just going to be a 10 inch rainfall in places that don't have any way to handle. but who does, even florida in

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marijuana use by american adults is at an all-time high. and i apologize for the pun. that's one of the findings from a new survey. and a new ballot measure is about to give people in ohio a chance to legalize it. harry enten joins us for more. what does the new study show? >> i just want to make an admission by saying i've never done the doobie. >> really? >> i know it's a big surprise. diet cream soda is my thing, not marijuana. but a lot of americans have in

fact at least tried -- >> have you listened to doo by brothers? >> i have listened to doobie brothers. i like one toke over the line. i was very surprised my mother knew what was was. the amazing thing is now half of american adults have at least tried marijuana once in their lifetime. we have crossed the 50% threshold. look at this trend line we see here. if you look back in 1969, only 4% of americans had ever tried marijuana. so we see this gradual increase, and we have finally hit 50%. i'm not one of them, but i'm guessing that one of the people in this room probably has, based on those numbers. >> so, in ohio, this measure is on the ballot in november. how much more popular is marijuana legalization today? >> it's incredible. again, the trend line here is just tremendous. back in the late '60s, well less than 20% of americans believed that marijuana should be legal. look at where it is now. about two-thirds of americans believe that marijuana should,

in fact, be legal, recreational marijuana. so, we've just seen this tremendous trend line of people using it and people believing it should be legal, which kind of makes sense that the two of those go together. >> i don't know if the people are aware of the smell issue, which now in new york, everywhere you go, not only are there weed shops everywhere, but the smell is everywhere. >> the stench is disgusting. it's disgusting. >> harry is joining us from the 1950s. >> i am joining you from the 1950s. i've never done the doobie. i hate the smell. i'm raining on the kids' parades here. it stinks. these marijuana dispensary shops, you go around there and it's not the best type of behaviors. and in the new york city metropolitan area, dobbs ferry, which is just north of new york city, i believe mark zuckerberg is from there, what we saw there -- marijuana, it's a segment on marijuana. anyway. what we saw there -- >> are you sure you're not high right now? >> you know what?

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