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now. ♪ mug shots, fingerprints and bond deals, a flurry of activity in donald trump's georgia election fraud case. the clock ticking as the former president and 14 more co-defendants have a couple of days to turn themselves in. moments ago rudy giuliani leaving his new york homes, literally headed to jail in georgia. his surrender could come in the next few hours as new questions arise about how he will pay for his legal defense. and for the first time of the 2024 race we get to say it, it is debate day in america, friends. eight republicans getting ready to take the debate stage in milwaukee, wisconsin, but one of them just got injured playing basketball. full stop.

a wild 24 hours ahead, i'm kate bolduan with john berman and sara sidner. this is "cnn news central." ♪ so happening now, rudy giuliani is on his way to georgia to surrender. the former new york city mayor once served as a lawyer for donald trump, literally helping him write into two impeachments and holding court at four seasons landscaping. now giuliani himself faces the most charges along with trump for trying to overturn the 2020 election results in georgia. he said this moments before boarding a plane. >> i don't know if i plead today but if i do i plead not guilty and i get photographed, isn't that nice, a mugshot for the man who probably put the worst criminals of the 20th century in jail. you find a prosecutor who has a better record of mine in the last 100 years. i bet you don't.

or a mayor. and they're going to -- they're going to degrade themselves by doing a mugshot of me. people will recognize me. of course, they can fingerprint me but i've been fingerprinted 150 times. this will turn out like the fbi search turned out, they're lying, i'm telling the truth. they're destroying my right to counsel and to be a lawyer. it's not accidental they have indicted all of the lawyers. i have never heard of that before in america. they've indicted people in this case i don't know who they are. these are just regular people making a normal living. they're going to bankrupt them. they won't convict them. >> once giuliani gets to georgia he is expected to go first to the da's office to discuss his bond agreement. once a deal is struck he could then go directly to jail and not collect $200 although that would be useful to him because he seems to be having issues paying for his defense. katelyn polantz is live outside the courthouse, about to be a

lot more going on in georgia, katelyn. >> reporter: of course, john. this morning we are awaiting the arrival of rudy giuliani now that he is in the air or on the road at least to get to georgia today, and what we are expecting is that giuliani wants everything to be taken care of that he needs to do to respond to this criminal indictment. he wants his bond negotiation to happen and have that set and done and then he also wants to go to the jail and be arrested, apparently, according to the reporting that we've put together here at cnn on what his intentions are. the reason for that is because he wants to get it done before donald trump would be coming into town tomorrow. there is a lot of questions around their relationship, how it is existing right now, if they are going to be taking the same approach to this case and other investigations around january 6 like the federal investigation, but it is a really big moment for rudy

giuliani to be coming here as perhaps one of the most well-known former prosecutors in america, and obviously one of the most well-known people among the people charged in this case among the 19, except for maybe donald trump himself. we have seen more than half of the people who are indicted in this case already go through their bond negotiations, we are starting to see them turn themselves in, be arrested, have mug shots taken even. so rudy giuliani will be one of the next ones to put on that list. really important to see exactly how it goes for him today because he has had a couple hard weeks where even money has been difficult for him to come by to fight some of these cases. >> no, absolutely. how he is paying for his defense, very much an issue right now. we will be following the former mayor's movements. katelyn, keep us posted. thank you very much. sara? november night two more of donald trump's co-defendants surrendered to the fulton county jail in georgia, both were key players in the fake elector plot

in that state. that's now four co-defendants who have been booked and processed. the 15 who remain including donald trump of course have until noon on friday to turn themselves in. cathy latham is the former chair of the coffee county republican party, she faces a dozen charges, she was one of the individuals who falsely tried to certify donald trump as the winner of the 2020 presidential election in georgia and david shafer are the former chairman of the georgia republican party he faces eight charges for his role in organizing and participating in that fake elector plot. nick valencia is outside the fulton county jail. it's going to be a busy next couple of 48 hours. you have 15 more people including the former president who have to turn themselves in. what's the latest? >> reporter: sara, there has been a lot of activity outside the fulton county jail and we expect more major developments today with the expected arrival of rudy giuliani, but it was overnight that david shafer the former gop chairman in the state

of georgia turned himself in, he was charged and indicted in this case for his role in organizing the trump campaign's slate of fake electors, those 16 individuals tried to subvert the electoral college. shaffer has said in a court filing that he acted at the direction of the incumbent president as well as other federal officials. in addition to shaffer we also saw cathy latham, the former chairman of coffee county's gop party and she was charged in her role of illegal accessing the voting data. she has said she was not personally involved in the breach. we have been talking to defense attorneys in fulton county who tell us their clients in the past who have had bond like these defendants have shown up at this facility and waived their first appearance by signing or agreeing to that bond. at best the process takes hours or at worst it could take several days. these defendants have been in

and out in an hour or hour and 15 minutes. the sheriff has said he's going to treat everyone equally. we will see if that applies to the former president when he is surrendering or expected to surrender sometime on thursday. >> thank you. we've been looking at live pictures of the fulton county jail and that is the court haas there as we are waiting for the rest of the folks that are charged to be processed and mug shots taken. kate? moments after his arrest and booking, co-defendant and former trump attorney john eastman spoke to reporters outside the jail. listen to this. >> i'm here today to surrender to an indictment that should never have been brought. i am confident that when the law is faithfully applied in this proceeding, all of my co-defendants and i will be fully vindicated. >> do you still think the election was stolen?

>> absolutely. >> absolutely? still? >> no question. no question in my mind. >> joining me now cnn's senior legal analyst elie honig. that is john eastman there. i want to play something from one of his attorneys on erin burnett's show last night. it's an interesting legal argument and defense they might now be starting to set up. listen. >> his role was 100% that of a lawyer trying to come up with creative ideas that pushed the margin of the law in order to reverse the electoral college count. so he's unique. he is on trial for being a lawyer who was coming up with creative ideas. >> so he's testing out a theory, pushing the boundaries but not doing anything illegal. what is he trying to do here? >> it is correct to say that bad lawyering is not a crime. aggressive lawyering, reaching for a legal argument, i mean,

lawyers do that all the time and it would really be a problem if that was a crime. the problem with what we just heard him say is it an end run around what the prosecutors are alleging which is that he crossed the line, john eastman crossed the line by allegedly submitting false information to a court knowingly and the other thing they allege is that he was a key player in the false elector scheme, having people gather and falsely certify that they are the electors for donald trump and sending the documents into the archives. the bad lawyering part is part of the story but i don't think that is the crime. it should not be the crime and prosecutors have to prove something more than that. >> is it clear where the line is? >> i think the line is between making a theory that's aggressive or novel. look, losing 9-0 in the supreme court not a crime. making an argument that you believe will lose 9-0 in the supreme court also not a crime. your job as a lawyer is what's the best argument i can make on

my client's behalf. even if you make an argument that's inappropriate, maybe you get sanctioned by the ethics bar of the court, but a criminal matter is a different thing. you have to show as a prosecutor beyond a reasonable doubt conduct that was criminal and knowingly submitting false information to a court could go to that. also, i mean, he just said the goal was to reverse the electoral college. if you can prove that a lawyer was using the legal process to try to achieve a legal end that can get you there, too. >> let's talk about mark meadows. he's asking that a federal judge stop fani willis from seeking his arrest in and state charges as we're seeing it all play out this week because they're waiting for a decision on whether or not his case will be moved from state court into federal court. why? >> so meadows, jeffrey clark and probably at some point donald trump will argue we were federal officials acting within the scope of our federal jobs, therefore, the case should be moved over to federal court. it's in the process of being heard and decided by the federal

court. it will take weeks. what meadows is asking and, judge, while we're waiting i want you to pause my surrender date, give me extra time to surrender. i don't think there's much chance that a federal judge will get involved in that level. i think the federal judge will say i will hear your case and i'm going to rule but i'm not going to get involved in who surrenders when. >> another one of the defendants david shafer is already turning himself in, he is the former state republican chair -- chairman of the party. he's making a case in a court filing i wanted to ask you about. he says in this filing that he acted at the direction of the incumbent president and other federal officials. when you hear that, that sounds like a similar argument that's been made by some of the people who have been charged, convicted and sentenced some of the writers from the january 6th insurrection. does the argument being made in this case seem stronger?

>> it does seem a little stronger, i don't think it's strong enough to win the day. the rioters who claim we were acting on behalf of the president was an absolute fabrication of the drens that carried no water and hasn't succeeded nor any of them. what this person is arguing he's trying to piggyback on to the potential federal immunity. if donald trump or anyone can show what i was doing was within the scope of my job as president or chief of staff or doj official like jeffrey clark, it was within the scope, necessary to do the job, it did not go beyond that, then they're going to have immunity which means the cases get dismissed. i can what mr. shaffer is trying to do is saying i was part of that, acting as an agent on behalf of them, therefore, i should get that benefit, too. it's an aggressive argument, i don't think it's particularly likely to succeed. >> should he have known better i guess is always the question. it's really interesting how so quickly we're getting some of the groundwork for these legal arguments that are being laid out. it's really interesting what we are going to be seeing.

>> good inside into what's to come but remember we are a couple days in, there are months and months of litigation ahead. >> elie says with a bright smile. >> i'm ready to go. >> thank you. >> elie is already ready to try the case. the first presidential republican debate may have one less candidate taking part. governor doug burgum has been injured playing basketball with his staff. if he does attend this is what the debate stage will look like. candidates are arranged based on how they rank in the polls. notice desantis and vivek ramaswamy next to each other as 1 and 2, they will be taking the stage and battling it out next to each other. jessica dean joins us from milwaukee this morning. i guess this was not on my bingo card, i have to say, that someone might miss the debate because of a basketball game. how is he doing at this hour? what do you know about his status? >> reporter: sara, this needs to be the theme of this presidential cycle, this primary

cycle, is just surprises coming up at every turn. my colleague dana bash reporting first on cnn this morning that doug burgum suffered this injury while playing pickup basketball with his staff and had to go to the emergency room. as of this morning it's unclear fell be able to stand up for the debate. he was hoping to use this moment to get his message out there, really expand his name id, introduce himself to voters. so to miss this opportunity, especially after clearing both the fundraising and also polling thresholds would really be not a great thing for him. we will keep an eye on that and be checking in to see if we expect to see him on that debate stage. as you mentioned there were eight candidates out of the field who did clear the hurdles to make it to the stage tonight, really nine but the leader and the one who continues to suck up so much oxygen former president donald trump will not be on the stage tonight and that is just a continued x factor in all of this. we know he's turning himself in,

his fourth indictment in the last several months in georgia tomorrow and in the meantime all of these candidates will be on the stage trying to really break through and convince voters out there that they are the alternative to donald trump who continues to lead all of them in national and early state polling by double digits. and there in the center of the stage who continues to come in in second place is florida governor ron desantis who has come off the summer with a campaign reset, he's been in iowa, in new hampshire, on the ground. his team is expecting him to take a lot of fire and the question for him is how will he respond to that? could this be a breakout moment? what we have to remember, sara, we've seen them on the trail, we've seen a lot of these candidates pitching themselves to voters in the early states but for so many americans this will be the first time they're hearing from them. this is a big moment for so many of them. >> we understand now, jessica, that doug burgum has made it out of the hospital. with he hope that he is okay,

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karen, there is this debate, eight republicans on stage assuming that o doug burgum makes it, knowing he is injured on the disabled list. let's start with ron desantis at the center of the stage. complete this sentence for me, the one thing ron desantis has to avoid is blank. >> losing his cool. you know, ron desantis has had a number of moments on the campaign trail and frankly we have seen him as governor where he gets a little snarky, he snaps, there is an infamous one where he goes into a group of school children and says we're not going to wear masks. he's got to keep his cool because we also know that he is likely to be the target of a lot of attacks, certainly i think it's fair to say governor christie will be gunning for him. to not lose his cool because these debates -- these early debates are really about likability. you want people who are maybe tuning in for the first time to take a second look, take a first look, take a second look and decide i'm going to see a that

candidate next time they're in iowa or new hampshire. >> karen, do you want to be nice or do you want to hit hard? >> you know, i think you can do both, right? i think you have to both be likeable, you want to give the audience -- because, remember, this audience is -- are voters potentially who haven't paid attention yet, who might say, you know, i'm open to somebody other than donald trump. you want to give them -- you do need to have some positive message that you're selling, not just attack. because attacks can really backfire. if you come off as too mean or nasty that can also turn people off. you can attack in a firm way without being seen as a bully or just being nasty or even what might be considered kind of a low blow. >> likeable versus memorable, though. i mean, is it the deal now what

roger ailes calls the orchestra pit moment. how important is getting a viral moment? >> well, look, i will tell you why the viral moment is really important, particularly given that, let's be honest, given that donald trump is turning himself in tomorrow, there's a very short time span in which this is actually going to have any kind of impact, even shorter than normal in a regular news cycle. those viral moments are important not just because they get paid over and over but for fundraising. that's the second big thing in these debates, if you can have a viral moment, your campaign is usually ready to go with a press release and ready to go with a fundraising appeal. it's going to be interesting, frankly, to see after the debate how much money each of these candidates raises because that will tell us a little bit about the amount of support they may have gained during the debate. be memorable, but, again, i think you can do it in a way that is likeable and memorable.

tell a story about yourself or tell a story about, you know, a particular idea or issue. it doesn't have to all be about attracting trump. i do think for these candidates attacking trump when he is not there, again, you have to be very careful given you know that that solid one-third of the republican party base they are not going to like that. so how do you -- if you're someone who is trying to walk that fine line, you have to be firm, you can draw contrast and say that's how he does it, here is how i would do it, but i don't think you necessarily have to just punch in the nose when he is not there. >> i didn't think i would hear a democratic strategist say lay off trump at a republican debate. >> i don't know how well laying off trump has worked for any of them thus far. you're right, a debate stage is slightly different. debate preparation, you have been part of much debate preparation in the past. >> yes. >> would you suggest debate prep

basketball given that doug burgum -- >> no. >> doug burgum is now injured, he was -- went to the emergency room because he was injured playing -- >> obama played basketball, i know george w. bush used to get a massage. >> didn't he get clocked once? >> here is the thing, you know, i don't know how much of a basketball player doug burgum is, but obama like he had game, do you know what i'm saying? for him to go out and play basketball, the chances of him getting hurt were a lot smaller. no, i would not have my candidate out there playing basketball. i was a college athlete and so i always, you know, say to candidates when i work with them you have to think about that's game day. what are our game day rituals that, you know, whether you are really fine-tuning, you are not coming up with new big strategies, you are probably not doing anything where you could potentially hurt yourself. i don't know exactly how old doug burgum is, but he's not a

young man so i might lay off the sports. >> don't -- karen, don't you go there. don't you even close to go there. >> i know. >> doug burgum can play basketball whenever doug burgum wants to play basketball. >> well -- but, again, i think the point s you know, this is the moment when you're refining. for example, if you're someone like ron desantis and your strategy is stay cool when the attacks come, you're kind of rerunning that in your mind. if you've got an attack you're going to try to -- or a viral moment you're going to try to go for, you're just refining that in your mind and the teams behind the scenes are getting ready, war rooms are getting ready, but this is not a moment where you come up with some new game day strategy. it's really about you should have already done all the homework, all the study, all the prep so you are just ready to go when you walk on the stage. >> meditation, maybe that's the sport that they should choose to do. >> you can pull a muscle if you don't sit the right way. karen finney, thank you very much for all of this helpful

advice. i'm sure the republican candidates would thank you as well for the advice. >> i'm sure. i'm sure. >> sara. >> i'm seeing a basketball team, this. y this. basketball team, get karen on the team. >> i got thrown out of a game in middle school because i was that aggressive. >> you can be the ref. >> least surprising thing i have ever heard. >> oh, man. back to serious thoughts. we are all eyes on georgia, special counsel jack smith's office is hard at work on the former president's classified documents case. investigators now looking into whether two of donald trump's employees really told the whole truth while testifying. also, we understand that kenneth chesebro is turning himself in at this hour. you are looking at live pictures of the fulton county jail where he has just surrendered. we will be seeing what happens afterwards, whether he speaks. also, obviously, the mug shots will start coming out and more

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just chatting here together. just moments ago former trump campaign lawyer ray smith and kenneth cheese sbroe the architect of the trump campaign's fake elector plot have surrendered to the fulton county jail. you're seeing live pictures of the opening there where they drive through and go into the jail to be booked and get their mug shots taken. this as former new york city mayor and ex trump attorney rudy giuliani is on his way to georgia to surrender at this

very jail. one day ahead of the former president. >> he shows up there tomorrow. we know that for sure and we're getting reporting it will be later in the day, afternoon into the evening. >> we're watching all that as the special counsel's office is looking into whether donald trump's employees actually lied to a grand jury regarding another case, the classified documents case out of florida. there is a lot going on. >> look, prosecutors believe that an i.t. worker who has not been charged in this case and a property manager who has that they falsely testified about he was to delete security camera footage at mar-a-lago. jack smith's office says at least one of those workers changed his story after switching his lawyer away from a trump affiliated lawyer. with his now cnn's senior legal analyst elie honig. we are talking about yuscil taveras, the head of i.t. at mar-a-lago. goes into the grand jury the first time and says i don't know

anything about altering security camera footage, was never talking about t nothing. changes lawyers, moves away from a trump lawyer to a public defender and then goes in and says, i know a lot about all of this. >> this happens all the time and this is really important strategy here. unfortunately for prosecutors not every witness comes in and gives it to you fully and cleanly. what happens a lot of times especially in these scenarios where there is a potential conflict of interest with lawyers, mr. taveras goes into a grand jury, being represented by a lawyer being paid for by one of trump's political action, apparently doesn't have enough money to pay for his own, when you shake free from that lawyer often that enables the truth to come out and this is not new. think of cassidy hutchinson, january 6th committee, she gave some of the truth but later admitted she lied in some respects because she didn't feel like she could come clean with the trump-appointed lawyer, gets a new lawyer, comes clean and

gives really important testimony. >> we've all seen what she said. i want to ask you about whether this will have a ripple effect. once one person does this and other people see maybe there is a conflict of interest, maybe i'm going to end up taking a huge part of this blame, will this sort of impact others in the case? this is what the prosecution has been hoping for. >> i think that could absolutely happen. if others in any of these cases by the way not limited to mar-a-lago are in this situation they may not even honestly realize that, hey, i could get rid of this lawyer, even if i can't afford -- lawyers are ridiculously expensive, i can still go into court and get a public defender and do what i need to do to not break the law and help myself get out of this. >> it has been immediate impact on the mar-a-lago documents case because the lawyer who was representing this guy is still representing people who were charged and that creates a real problem, elie. >> and prosecutors have now called this out. they said, judge, you need to be aware and most importantly the various charged individuals need

to know if their lawyer has a conflict of interest because, first of all, you have to make your record. if you are a prosecutor and you know one lawyer is representing two people who may have adverse interests against each other you absolutely have to call that out. you have to at least bring it to the attention of the court and the judge has a responsibility at a minimum to say, okay, you two, you have the same lawyer but your interests may be against each other. do you understand that? if you need a separate lawyer tell me and i will get one for you. >> the judge can't make that happen, this is up to the defendants, correct? >> it's primarily up to the defendants, but at a certain point the judge may find this is not tenable i'm not going to allow this. >> thank you. i understand a lot more about that now. >> inside baseball. >> we like it. coming up for us, eight republicans will be on the stage but the handful of republican candidates did not make the cut is their path to the white house about to hit a wall? adam kinzinger weighs in next. and cnn is learning new details about the plans around trump's surrender at the fulton county jail.

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at inspiresleep.com all right. moments ago donald trump made it official when he will surrender in georgia. tomorrow. trump just posted on a social media page that is when he will, as he put it, be proudly arrested. cnn's alayna treene is near trump's bedminster golf course in new jersey. what's the latest? >> reporter: right. well, john, the former president is going to be leaving his golf club here just near where i am in bedminster, new jersey, and traveling to georgia tomorrow afternoon. he's expected to land in georgia

at some point tomorrow evening, travel to the fulton county jail. his team expects that the process there will be fairly quick, his surrender will happen -- won't take a lot of time and he will get back in his motorcade, travel back to the airport and head back to new jersey tomorrow night. i'm also told that his team has been making arrangements for the former president to speak with reporters if he chooses to do so and those would happen in georgia if they happen at all. of course, remember, when he was in d.c. earlier this month and being arraigned in washington, d.c. around the other january 6 case, he chose not to speak to reporters despite having said that he would do so. so that's still up in the air. of course, john, we also have what he's doing tonight, he's going to be in new jersey while his rivals are on the debate stage but he does have that prerecorded interview with former fox news host tucker carlson. that interview is going to be airing on twitter or recently

renamed x at around 9:00 p.m., the exact same time that his opponents will be taking the debate stage. so a lot of news from donald trump world in the next 24 hours, john. >> an x interview at 9:00 tonight and then a prime time surrender tomorrow night. no accident at all. alayna treene in new jersey, thank you very much. tonight former president donald trump of course won't be the only candidate sitting out of the first presidential primary debate. several republican presidential hopefuls didn't meet the threshold set by the rnc, will hurd, francis suarez, perry johnson and conservative commentator larry elder of california were unable to get donations from at least 40,000 individuals as well as a 1% showing in at least one qualifying national poll. i am joined by cnn senior political commentator adam kinzinger. thank you for coming on with us this morning. you hosted a live town hall featuring chris christie on

behalf of the country's first pac where you nor the pac you did not announce who you were going to endorse. do you have any idea now? are you give us some sense of who might be on your short list? >> no, i mean, i'm not endorsing anybody at the moment, but what we wanted to show was what it's like to tell the truth and it's refreshing when you're listening to somebody that's just not worried about, you know, how do i walk this line, how do i make the trump people not upset, but at the same time please -- like chris christie is just saying what he believes. that's why it's going to be fun tomorrow i think to watch him in the debate. i haven't endorsed anybody but we had a good time, i had 20,000 to 50,000 people between who was watching live and who watched after the event so it was a good thing. >> could i ask you about what you think tonight is going to be about. obviously you want to hear from some of the candidates like christie and what they think about donald trump, but is this really going to be about who

drops off, who actually has to exit this fight for the white house, or is it really going to be about who is in the second place? >> well, i would love to see people drop out. a couple things, if you are going to run for president and all you're going to do is endorse donald trump, i mean, there are so many of these people running that will not take him on, pretend like he is not in the race and pretend like he is this political prisoner from the doj, they should just drop out and endorse him. you have a better chance of getting a job in the administration just to get all in on donald trump today and then, you know, there's still a few people that are kind of in this -- it's not really the anti-trump lane, but it's the we are not donald trump and we want the party to go in a different direction lane. that's the one that's going to have to consolidate because you cannot have this splintering of people and splintering of support and expect donald trump to lose. it will be interesting tonight because i think you're going to see a lot of these folks on the debate stage attacking each other because they want to show

how tough they are, they want to show that they are, you know, pretty hard core on the debate stage but they won't actually go after the guy they need to go after which is donald trump. i think it's going to be an interesting dynamic to watch. there will be a few that go after him, the rest will take their shots at vivek or desantis or whatever. >> speaking of vivek and desantis, we are looking at what the debate stage is going to look like, that is if doug burgum makes it to the debate, he was hurt playing basketball apparently, but vivek, number two, ron desantis number one. i want to talk to you about something that vivek has said just in the last day or so. he is coming up in the polls, he's young, he's aggressive, he wraps. he's also floating conspiracy theories, in an atlanta article he questioned whether federal agents were behind the january 6th capitol attack and the 9/11 terrorist attacks, but then denied saying it to our kate lat collins on "the source." i want to let you listen to what happened between him and kate

lan and the released audi snow are you telling me that your quote is wrong? >> i'm, actually. when i actually -- this is lifting the curtain. i asked that reporter to send the recording, he refused to do. >> i think it is legitimate to say how many police, how many federal agents were on the planes that hit the twin towers. maybe the answer is zero, probably is zero for all i know, right? i have no reason to think it was anything other than zero. if we are doing a comprehensive assessment of what happened on 9/11, we have a 9/11 commission, absolutely that should be an answer the public has the answer to. >> he seems to want to relitigate what happened on january 6th trying to intimate that federal agents were in in the crowd and may have something to do with it and 9/11. what is he playing at here? >> well, first off, let's look at the ridiculousness of saying

are there federal agents on the airplane. okay. let's say there were federal agents on the airplanes on 9/11. they're dead. they're dead now. is that really what vivek is trying to do is somehow disparage federal agents who are now dead on the 9/11 planes or does he think that federal agents particularly went on the plane and said let's ride this out to a suicide mission against our own country because of some thing. he knows january 6th was launched by donald trump. he knows 9/11 wasn't an inside job but he's just asking questions and that's what they do. i'm just asking questions. maybe the 9/11 report should have looked into this. the january 6th committee didn't answer this question. of course we did answer the question. the 9/11 committee looked into everything. but when you just ask questions you get that 5% or 10% conspiracy base and you win them oemp. that's what he's doing. vivek has wanted to be famous his entire life. he tried to start a podcast that

failed. he decided to run for president to become famous. unfortunately he's becoming famous and when he's on television and he doesn't allow anybody else to speak, i hope that, you know, he either changes the way he debates on tv or is never invited back on any show. >> you think this might play with just a certain percentage of voters, people who are -- conspiracy theorists, qanon members, that's what you're saying? >> well, it does, it plays with that group but it also -- what he's also trying to do is just show like i can take on the media. i'm the tough guy. i'm the one that doesn't trust government more than donald trump or anybody else doesn't trust government. i can't tell you why this is an answer i don't have as a republican, but for some reason this idea of not trusting government and conspiracy theories have become like new currency in the gop. people have to push back against this. others on the stage have to push back against this tonight. >> we will be watching to see what happens. adam kinzinger, thank you so

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releasing the identities of more wildfire victims. the number of people who have die in the fires remains at 115 though authorities are now saying they really can't project what the final death toll is going to be. we are also now hearing that the number of people who are unaccounted for from the fires may actually be going up, not down. cnn's natasha chen is following this and she joins us now. more than 1,000 people still unaccounted for now two weeks on and that's the latest and before it was believed to be 150. what are you learning about this discrepancy? >> according to officials at a press conference last night, the

reason for that is there are new agencies they've been talking to which provide more information because there's an influx with perhaps new numbers of peoto it doesn't necessarily mean, they say, that more than a thousand people are missing. it's that someone somewhere submitted information, sometimes partial information thinking that someone is unaccounted for. they did clarify, though, that every day they are clearing more people off of that list. they also said that there are fewer family members coming forward to provide dna samples compare the to other disasters and they don't know why that is. overall you're sensing a skepticism of authority amid trauma and you saw it in last night's council meeting when people came up and spoke. >> we have nothing left, but our hometown in lahaina, its

memories and our pride. if you don't know the history, most especially -- sorry. if you don't know the history of lahaina, i urge you to research that. >> that was the first city council meeting since this tragedy. so a lot of people very emotional. a reporter also asked authorities at the press conference about children found among the remains and authorities said it's hard to say exactly because they're not finding whole remains and so this is just tragic and a lot of frustration there, kate. >> absolutely. natasha, thank you so much. john? >> it's me. >> i'm sorry. >> it's all good. right now rudy giuliani is on his way to atlanta to turn himself in to jail in fulton county as we are learning new details about the times of donald trump's surrender tomorrow. a live report from outside of that jail as more people are that jail as more people are turning themselves in next. cusm

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