today. >> we should note that republican state officials in georgia are some of the witnesses against trump there, fighting some of the impression that this is all about a liberal prosecutor. thanks so much. quite a day ahead. >> quite a day ahead. we'll be seeing here shortly former president trump leaving bedminster, new jersey. he'll be there at the fulton county jail after rush hour traffic. he tweeted 7:30 p.m. sorry, truth social. >> a lot of security in place there as well for all involved. >> so stay with cnn for all the breaking news. the lead, the georgia indictment of donald trump will start right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com

you are looking live at the fulton county, georgia jail. in a few hours donald trump will surrender and be placed under arrest. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm jake tapper in washington, d.c. in just minutes, we expect donald trump to begin his journey down to georgia. today's events, of course, will be unlike even trump's previous three arrests because he will have to surrender this time at the fulton county jail, instead of at a courthouse. it is likely that today trump will have a mugshot taken. all of this stemming from his efforts to overturn the 2020 election in that battleground state, georgia. ahead of trump's surrender, one of his most high profile co-defendants, mark meadows, turned himself in at the fulton county jail. we believe that happened within the last hour. this after losing a legal fight he was attempting to avoid

arrest. we also got some new insight into when meadows and trump could theoretically go on trial. tell fulton county district attorney, fani willis, has requested a start date of october 23rd this year, less than two months away. cnn's christin holmes is live for us in bedminster, new jersey. she's live where trump and his team are gathered. mr. trump just announced he will be arrested at 7:30 p.m. eastern this evening. what are you hearing from his team right now? >> reporter: let's walk through what this will look like. we expected him to leave, right behind me, in the next hour. he will drive to what is expected to be the newark airport. that's when he left for arraignment in washington, d.c. earlier this month, and go to atlanta. we are told this is a straight shot. this is a very quick trip. they will be closing down roads to make this as fast as

possible. all of this will be part of the negotiations between president trump and local law enforcement to make sure that trump gets in and out of the city as quickly as possible. atlanta is a city that can have a major traffic build-up so that's how they ended up with this time. we are told that he is going to possibly give remarks on the tarmac after he is processed. he walked a little through that processing. will he be fingerprinted? the mugshot? all of which is possible. this will will depend completely on his mood. now, i am also told that there will be no sort of events at bedminster. he's coming back late tonight. not like what we saw at the beginning. the first two arraignments when they held the big speeches with gatherings with club members. that's not what is happening here. a lot of this is the annoyance and the anger that trump feels about these charges. something we've reported sentenceeverily on. two things can be true at once.

he can think this will help him politically, at least in the primaries with his poll numbers and fundraising, and he cannot want to continue to be arrested and processed and charged and have to face these trials. and we know that to be the case. and that is what we are hearing from all of these advisers. right now, they're gearing up for this trip. everyone's hope as of right now, they want to make this as quick and easy as possible. and they are expecting to still have to come back to that actual arraignment. >> we have seen publicly, at least, trump and his team putting on a tough face. bravado. take a look at rudy giuliani's mugshot from yesterday where he's giving this expression. angry, staring right at the camera. i guess my question would be, how much of that is for the camera and how much of that is real? that behind the scenes, they are defiant and confident.

>> reporter: i think things come in ebbs and flows. there are moments they feel defiant. where they feel that they can sell it as election interference. that they are angry. there are also moments where this is exhausting. after the first arraignment in new york i spoke to an adviser who said they were all completely drained from this trip, and that included former president trump. there are two things going on here. they have seen that spike in the poll numbers. they have seen the spike in donations and fundraising after each of these indictments, after each of these arraignments, after potentially the processing today. that doesn't mean this is something that they're enjoying. it is not what they would like to be focused on. he would rather talk about the winners and losers, talking about list poll numbers, not heading to atlanta to be processed in a jail. >> all right. kristin holmes in new jersey, we'll come back to you in a moment. i want to bring in sarah murray who is due south outside the

fulton county jail. i imagine there would be quite a showing of security. >> reporter: yeah, jake, we are hours until the former president arrives here. we've already seen security ramped up around here. we expect that when he lands, he'll get the full lights and sirens treatment to escort him over to the jail. if you are a normal defendant who is being processed in the fulton county jail, this is an unpleasant experience. it could last hours. one of the co-defendants in this case, harrison floyd, just turned himself in without a set bond agreement. he could face the more miserable version of this processing. that's not what we're expecting for the former president. i think everyone involved in this, the former president's team, as well as the sheriff's office, wants donald trump in and out of this jail as quickly as possible. normally a defendant would be searched. they would go through a medical

screening, they would be fingerprinted, they would get a mugshot. the sheriff has been adamant that the 19 defendants in this case will get a mugshot. they will be fingerprinted as close to a traditional defendant as you can expect. of course, this is something we haven't seen from trump's three previous arrests. he's not had a mugshot in any of the three cases. we're waiting to see if he does this time. jake, the optics of this are just different. he's turning himself in at a jail, not a courthouse. >> this afternoon we learned the district attorney wants to begin this trial on october 23rd, a shockingly ambitious schedule. not surprisingly, trump's team has just come out against that proposal? >> reporter: that's right. i mean, fani willis's team suggested an october trial date. i haven't talked to a single lawyer involved in this case or not who thought that would be a realistic time line for her to move forward. and trump's new attorney, he shook up his legal team already today, has already shot back

saying they oppose this trial date. they essentially oppose some of the speedy trial motions they've seen from other defendants. we're waiting to see what the judge assigned to this case says as to what he thinks is a realistic time line for this case to proceed. he hasn't even set the first court appearance in this case. we'll see what a potential trial looks like. >> sara murray, we'll check back with you in a minute. with me in the studio to discuss, senior correspondent, michael moore, the former u.s. attorney for the middle district of georgia, sxvg, chand of coura coates. october 23? is that a realistic proposal? >> no. but closed mouths don't get fed. she has to ask for what she wants. and maybe when they come back with a response, maybe they'll split the baby in the middle. 19 defendants.

the fulton county 19. some won't have a lawyer by that time. it is setting a big signal saying i'm ready to go wlmplt a prosecutor goes in front of a court, in front of defense counsel, they call ready. i'm here, i've done the work and i'm prepared to go forward. even that is a very -- one defendant, it might be ambitious. this with removal motions still around in federal court, i don't see it happening. >> well, georgia has a speedy trial act and it is a unique statute to the state. basically what it says is that a defendant can come in after they're indicted during that time, and file a motion for a speedy trial and they have to be tried in that term of court or the next. >> what is the a term of court? >> two months. that means this trial has to be scheduled before november. because juries have been impaneled during the september term. if the d.a. did not file during that time, it is an automatic

acquittal. so cheseboro's lawyers called her bluff. >> one of the co-defendants. >> that's right. called her bluff about the timing and she had to set the trial for october. now, that does not mean the trial could happen as to all defendants. but as to cheseboro, she has to deal with this case. so i think you're fixing to see a lot of motions to sever. that means the defendants don't want to try their case together. there will be challenges because the defendants will say, my lawyers haven't had time to prepare. and the constitution gives us the right to have an effective lawyer who is prepared to represent us. so i think that she's got to make a decision about whether she tries them all together or just deals with cheseboro's case. >> i think trump, just this afternoon, filed a motion, his lawyers did, to file a motion to sever from anybody asking for that speedy trial, right? >> and that could be advantageous to him and the other defendants.

because if you have conflicting defenses among the different defendants, or if i want to testify or call you to testify on my behalf for whatever reason, i have to have some way to make this expeditious. but in any event, when you're talking about serving, the court has to look at judicial efficiency. what a court does not want to have is 19 of the same trials, same witnesses, same motions. because then you're just dragging out something that could be done in one. here, you already have the removal motions to go to federal court. you know this is on the horizon. if one moves to federal court? does that mean all have the right to do so? like mark meadows? that's the next horizon. >> let's take a 30,000 foot look at this. donald trump is about to for the first time, not the first time he's been arraigned or arrested, but the first time he's reporting to a jail to be booked. is that going to look different?

how is today different from the three previous arrests? >> it seems like fulton county officials have said we will make it look like for most other people. and maybe not everybody else in the world, but certainly the other co-defendants who come in. they've had their photos taken, some of them have been allowed to wear their street clothes, th their suits, ties, what have you. they're taking their photos, getting their fingerprints taken. so that he did not happen in some of the other cases because everyone recognizes donald trump. it's not really necessary. i think that will feel different for him. trump is not happy about being indicted once, twice, or four time. certainly this one is perhaps the one that he's the most irritated by because he's been accusing this particular prosecutor of going after him. it almost feels like a local matter. but that's because the conduct

occurred at this level. so you know, trump has experienced this from top to bottom of our legal system from the federal system all the way down to a county jail. and that doesn't feel good for him. and he's not going to get as many accommodations as he's used to in these proceedings as he has in the previous one. >> and donald trump on his social media platform, truth social, posted just about 20 minutes or so ago, talking about how he has to head to atlanta, georgia, where murder and other violent crimes have reached levels never seen before to get arrested, all caps, by a radical left attorney fani willis by a phone call and having a challenge the rigged election. arrest time, 7:30. we see a client who doesn't listen to his lawyers who are assuredly telling him, please stop posting things like that and attacking public officials. >> not a surprise that donald

trump is posting. big picture, this is another bad day for donald trump. he is making history yet again. thsaid, the fourth arrest. it will be different with the mugshots and the fingerprints. i would add one other way it's different. as his co-defendants have gone to the fulton county jail. it is a notorious jail. we've talked about it. there is nothing that quite concentrates the mind as seeing what this is like, and the way it feels. and i think it is fair to say, none of these people have ever gone through this before. i would say that donald trump has to think about something new today, which is keep your friends close. keep your co-defendants closer. because we don't know who might be quietly cooperating already, who might flip down the road. that's something he has to worry

about. >> look, so many of these defendants, as laura was saying, they don't have lawyers. some have already made motions to try to basically blame trump saying, i did this on trump's behalf. it should be moved to federal court. he's a federal official. i think trump is demonstrating today with that post a certain degree of a lack of remorse or self-awareness. he's saying, come on down. 7:30 p.m. he wants the notoriety. he doesn't want to do this quietly. he wants everyone to know and everyone to be there and all the attention to be on him because he still thinks that he can turn this around into something positive from a public relations perspective. >> everyone, stick with me. we expect donald trump to leave list golf club soon to head to georgia at the fulton county jail. this as there is been a shake-up on his legal team. we'll look at his new lawyer. that's next.

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welcome back to cnn's special coverage. moments ago we obtained the mugshot of former chief of staff mark meadows. he surrendered at the fulton county jail just today. he is charged with racketeering and solicitation of violation of oath by a public officer, trying to get somebody to violate their oath. the deadline for the defendants to turn. they in, all 19 of them, is tomorrow at noon. as right now, eight defendants have yet to surrender, including the former president. cnn's kaitlyn polantz, what more can you tell us about the individuals who have not yet complied with district

attorney's request. >> reporter: it does appear there could be others turning. they in today and not waiting. jeffrey clark, another very well known attorney who served in the justice department, he has tweeted that he is in atlanta right now. so very likely he would be here to turn himself in. he did reach a bond agreement. he tried to fight the arrest but we're waiting for trump, we're waiting for clark, and a few others that have not turned themselves in that sort of represent the water front of these charges. there's one person accused in the computer breaches related to coffee county, georgia. there are two people related to the intimidation campaign, or alleged intimidation of georgia election worker ruby freeman who have yet to turn. they in, and three others, campaign folks as well as gop officials who worked on the fake elector scheme allegedly in the state of georgia, who are still not yet booked in the jail in

fulton county. that's eight total including trump himself have yet to arrive at the jail. >> tell us about the legal disputes brewing now that the arrest process is in its last 24 hours. >> reporter: well, there are legal disputes brewing, without a doubt. on two fronts. one, we have filings showing that the district attorney's office, some of the defendants, at least one of them, and donald trump are not all on the same page on what people would want to go to trial. the d.a.'s office wants a very aggressive time line. at least one defendant, ken cheseboro wants a pretty fast time line. he wants to to go trial as is his part. and will donald trump doesn't want any part of that. he wants to be separated from any speedy trial. so that could be something that could come up soon that the judge may want to get a handle on very quickly. then the other thing is there is a hearing that we are gearing up

for monday. they are ready to bring in witnesses to show a judge in federal court a glimpse into this case, specifically, around that phone call donald trump made to secretary of state brad raffensperger. it looks like raffensperger may even be testifying. >> all right. thank you so much. let's bring in clark cunningham, an expert on legal ethics and constitutional law. and let's bring in a former senior district attorney. we should note your wife works in the communication department for fani willis. let me start with this chief of staff mark meadows, such a stark indication of how serious this case is and the high level of public officials, obviously, up to and including the president. who have been charged. >> reporter: yeah, in some ways

it is rather surreal to see these people coming in zpand turning them in. the former president of the united states turning himself in. people are taking a deep breath and gearing themselves. this is not the end of the process. we're probably more in the middle of the process. >> and in a matter of hours, we expect to see the president go to that jail. as somebody who worked closely with d.a. fani willis, what do you think is on her mind as she moves forward with a case against the former president, unprecedented actions but also unprecedented charges. >> i think the first party said unprecedented actions is the key here. no one has ever had to do this before. no former president, no president has ever taken these actions before. knowing fani as i do, none of these legal maneuverings are a

surprise to her. they didn't investigate for over two years to be caught flat-footed so i'm sure she's got people delegated to take on certain tasks. that is why you see responses to the federal removal motions. responses to the speedy trial demand as quickly as you have. fani is a very what's next kind of person. take care of this task. what's next? i think she's probably focused, calm, and just moving along and responding as she needs to. >> clark, president trump is going forward with a new attorney. he is replacing drew findling with steven sadow. he has previously challenged georgia's rico law for other defendants. tell us first of all more about steven sadow.

>> he has a very good reputation. i'm not surprised that the former president fired drew findling. findling never since last march has done, at least according to court records, really counter productionevery work for the former president including a disastrous strange emergency appeal to the georgia supreme court that slapped him down with a unanimous decision. so i frankly expected findling to be gone before now. >> and we expect to see trump going to that jail and surrender. walk us through the process of being processed. >> well, it's rather mundane. they have to take certain biographical information. they have to do the fingerprints. they have to process the warrants. one of the main things that has to happen at the jail. he has the consent bond. he already has release from the

judge that he can be released back out. they'll take a weight, height, photographs so they have a full capture of this is the person we have in our custody. that goes into a database that is accessed around the state. i don't imagine it will take that long. they've been processing a few of these this week and they'll be toward process the former president through and i think it will be rather unevent willful. >> thank you. we're learning that donald trump is set to leave his bedminster golf club in new jersey this hour, and he will, of course, head to fulton county, georgia via aircraft. this will be his fourth surrender in a criminal case in 2023 alone from new jersey to georgia. more live coverage ahead. stay with us. awh, use priceline. they have packckage deals no one else has. [son inflates] we can do it! ♪go to yoyour happy price♪

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a live look for you now from bedminster, new jersey, just down the road from donald trump's golf club. he is expected to leave at any moment to led to newark airport. from there he will fly privately to atlanta and then he will turn himself in at the fulton county jail. i'm back with my panel. as trump is expected to head to georgia to surrender, just in

the past 24 hours, we have seen former trump attorney rudy giuliani surrender. then we saw the mugshot of former white house chief of staff mark meadows. it's really hard to wrap your brain around the momentousness of this moment. that rudy giuliani, mark meadows and soon a former president, booked, arrested, mugshots. >> it's huge and it's sad, really. these are all former high-ranking officials, former mayor of new york at one point, viewed in very high esteem. >> former time man of the year. >> and mark meadows, former chief of staff, an extremely high-ranking office in the federal government. the ring leader of this whole thing. this is happening because the

conduct that was alleged here is extremely serious. i think we lose track of that because we've been down this road a few times. they are being accused of trying to steal an election. and there's probably no crime that is more significant than that in a democracy. they've got to be tried and they have to go through their process, but what they're being accused of, it reaches the very highest levels. >> this is what happens when you try to overturn an election. democracy, yes, they are innocent until proven guilty. but we all saw this happen in real-time in public. we've heard the famous phone call that trump made to the georgia secretary of state. 11,000, just find me 11,780. and mark meadows, his chief of staff, was very involved with that. he helped set up the call. so let's remember when people

talk about it being political. this is not normal. and we are here today because donald trump did not want to admit he had lost. >> by the way -- >> wasn't normal at the time, too. >> nothing normal about any of this except one thing. you and i both know this. any suggestion that somehow he is being treated worse than the average defendant who has to go to the fulton county jail house is absurd. the notion that people have a two-tiered justice system is not news to anyone except people who felt privileged or entitled. there is no more about a single phone call than january 6th was about just that very day. this has all been what led to it as well. the phone call is a part of it. the idea that there are 18 other defendants all part of this idea that more people were allegedly involved in a scheme. the rico charge alone, there was

an enterprise afoot. yes, i said afoot on a thursday afternoon but it's real in this context. this is all so significant but it's also telling you that it has to be about the entirety of it. it can't just be about a single phone call we've already heard. >> i think the way she told the story, remember, there is a tendency, i think, to think that it is very clear to everybody that he must be guilty of something. that this case is an automatic slam-dunk for the state. it's not. >> why not? >> remember in 2021, after the election, the georgia legislature enacted reforms to change the voting laws because they alleged that they had had problems with the election. so that sort of stokes the fire from people who say maybe he was right. maybe it was wrong. they changed who could pick up absentee ballots. yes or no you could take water

to folks waiting in line. trump claim the fraud. it's a lie. then the -- >> we should note the republican governor, very conservative, brian kemp, has said very clearly, said very clearly that there was not significant fraud in 2020 and georgia has safe and secure elections. >> i promise you, steve sadow when he gets on the stand, then why did you change the election law? did you do it because you were trying to disenfranchise african american voters? he won't admit that. he has to say this is why we did it something that has changed for years. >> i think that is a really important point for someone like governor kemp who has said, there was no fraud to change the outcome of the election. but still went along to change the election laws in georgia after trump lost it only because

it was politically expedient. not because there was fraud. so that will be a problem for kemp and it might be a problem for fani willis as well. but from a, you know, where i sit here as a nonlawyer from a factual perspective. it was clear at the time that these laws were being changed based on a factually incorrect premise that no one has been able to substantiate any significant fraud at all. >> she anticipated a part of this discussion because that's why part of the narrative she talks about, and these are allegations, absolutely, about what was said to members of the legislature branch to say, hold on. you were told wrong information. you were given lies. you were told misinformation. rudy giuliani accused of that and others part of this whole context, the committees on these very notions. she's aware that may be next step to say, maybe they acted

based on your lies which is why they're all the more criminal in this allegation. so i'm not going to read her mind. i'm thinking as a prosecutor in my own head. would i know the next several steps to be litigated? >> a prosecutor, just a lawyer, they need to think about how they'll lose a case as opposed to how you will win it. when we think about this, remember the committee that met for the state senate was not a sanctioned committee meeting. the lieutenant governor at the time did not authorize it. the whole thing was a sham. >> and i spoke to one of the state lawmakers who was there when rudy giuliani came. he wasn't sworn in. they knew the committee wouldn't swear in witnesses. everyone, stay with me. trump is about to head to georgia to turn himself in.

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interfering with the election. i bring in jeff duncan and state senator, both were kids before the fulton county grand jury this month. you talked to that grand jury twice within the last couple weeks. can you give us any sense of what trump and his 18 co-defendants are facing here? >> well, my experience was a very laser-focused district attorney and staff of the district attorney and a very intense grand jury and very focused questions. i anticipate this being a very fact-based case. the indictment shows a very elaborate story to tell. the average american would be completely having the worst day of their life if they were walking into their fourth indictment in four months. it seems like average par for the course. the camera is nowhere to set up.

set up at the airport. this is not normal. and we cannot ever get to a point where we think this is normal as americans. specifically republicans. this is not okay. >> and senator, you witnessed rudy giuliani and other trump allies telling these lies, this fraudulent information, sharing it with georgia state lawmakers in 2020. mr. giuliani spoke publicly after surrendering yesterday. let's play that for you. >> this is an attack on the american people. if this could happen to me, who is probably the most prolific prosecutor maybe in american history, and the most effective mayor, it can happen to you. >> what do you make of that? giuliani maintaining his innocence and saying this is an orchestrated attack. if it can happen to him, it can happen to anyone. >> look, if you break the laws,

it can happen to you. even if you are someone like rudy giuliani who has the reputation that he has, the past history he has in terms of actually being a prosecutor with respect to rico cases, if you break the law, you're going to be held accountable and it doesn't matter who you are. that's what we're witnessing. this is not normal in the sense that the president is going to present himself and be arrested at rice street in fulton county. it is normal if you break the laws, you should be held accountable no matter who you are. >> senator, how do you think your testimony might have shaped the prosecutions? >> i think it was really about what we've seen from the january 6th committee and then the indictment at the federal level. they talk about this overarching scheme. to overturn the election. the state of georgia and what happened with respect to apply committee and what i witnessed was the application of that on the ground. all of these people that you see

that have been presenting. they, that have been indicted including john eastman and david shafer, they were all present and accounted for. they were part of the scheme. they were moving it along. they were doing the overt acts, and not only that, they got called on camera. it is one of those things where thank goodness that did happen. because, of course, they would be saying that it didn't if we didn't have video proof of it. and it's one of those things where, i even went back the other day and i watched the seven-hour hearing that i was in. i was just absolutely dumb-founded and a little bit angry that they thought they could get away with that. >> lieutenant duncan, as we watch on the right side of the screen, the police car is flashing sirens at bedminster, new jersey. we anticipate former president trump will be leaving his golf club in new jersey on his way at any moment now.

we'll tell if you he's in one of those cars. this motorcade certainly looks like the one donald trump would be in. what can you tell us? >> reporter: they are on their way -- [ inaudible ] you can see the ambulance. this is what has been happening when he's been going to his arraignments and in this case, the booking. they will fly straight to atlanta and then for him to be processed. we are told this liberty a very quick trip. he will then turn around and leave. he will fly back here to bedminster. there won't be any fanfare when he arrives back here. no club members waiting for him for a party or any sort of big speech like we've seen in the past. it will just be him giving

remarks after he is processed to reporters who are traveling with him. that was the end of the motorcade. the next to be is newark airport where he will fly to atlanta for this processing. >> all right. just to be clear. you were breaking up a little at the top. the president, the former president, is in that motorcade on his way from the golf minutester golf club to the airport. >> not commercially. he will fly privately. that was him in that motorcade. thank you so much. we'll check back in in a sec. former lieutenant governor duncan, mark meadows and jeffrey clark will have no choice but to turn themselves in by noon.

we know that meadows already turned himself in, despite efforts to avoid arrest and booking at the jail. both say they were doing their jobs. do you think that argument has any merit. >> it will be interesting. some of these folks that have turned themselves said they were told to do it. david shaffer said the president's attorneys directed them to, but nobody is pointing to the box of proof, you know, senator jordan had a front-row seat for the multiple indictments in the faux or unofficial meetings. it will be interesting to have them try to explain some of that stuff. thanks to both of you. we appreciate it. imto bring in marc short, the former chief of staff to mike pence. thanks for joining us. we just got the latest mug shots, including mark meadows, whom you have said was the

ringleader of this attempt to subvert the election. what is it like to see mug shots of people with whom you worked who were inside the trump inner circle while you were working there for vice president pence. >> jake, i think it's sad, tragic. it's not something you said to see anyone endure. i think the reality is that, even if i had significant differences with mark leading up to january 6th and the way it was characterized after, it's not something you said any former colleagues to go through. it's a somber day. >> there's a lot of people saying, oh, this is just political, these people were just trying to root out election fraud, this is the criminalization of their free speech rights, et cetera, et

cetera, what do you think of the indictment and the charges? >> well, jake, what i know is that it was absolutely wrong and that the plot was wrong, the plan to ask the vice president to overthrow the election was dead wrong. i think it's something that i think history will judge. i don't know the extent to which the criminality of it, jake. i just simply know it was wrong. i do think there is an interesting play publicly about saying, hey, it's just my first amendment right to mislead the american people, elected officials do it all the time, versus the argument that says i have evidence an election was stolen and i'll come forth with the evidence and when i do, you'll see the prosecution is politically charged. it's hard to say it's both. it's either i'm protected by the first amendment or i have the evidence to prove it was stolen,

but it seems like they're making both saturdays, which i think is contradictory. >> the former vice president obviously participated in the first presidential debate last night. there was a moment when he was basically challenging, after the moderators had asked his rivals on stage, do you think what i does in upholding the constitution was the right thing to do or not? he had to press to get a straight answer out of at least one of the rivals. what do you think of that moment? >> every public official pledges their support to the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. that's what our men and women in uniform swear to do. it's the most basic of the pledges you made to the american people in that role. i think if you can't affirm that that is what you would do in a similar situation, i think it's very important for the american

people to know that. i think it was an important conversation to have last night. i think it's going to be a hallmark of the vice president's career that, when pressure was put upon him, he made sure he upheld his oath to the constitution. >> obviously you're supporting vice president pence's run for the presidency. i wonder what you think of the answers from the rivals, only one effusively praise the what vice president pence did on january 6th, 2021, was chris christie, but maybe i'm mistaken. >> i think i was heartened by the fact that the vast majority had no equivocation that they agreed that the vice president upheld his oath to the constitution. i think there's other interesting exchanges as well that shows a big divide inside our party. there's certainly a different strain perhaps of populism, but there's populism in there, and

thinking a fraud was perpetrated on many primary voters, and some of that was exposed last night as well. we'll have you back as well as the vice president. thank you, marc. appreciate it, jake. thanks. former president trump just led for the airport. we'll have more. stay with us. outta sight ♪ ♪ one, two, get loose n now ♪ ♪ it takes two to make a... ♪ stay two nights and get a $ 50 best western gift card.. book now at bestwestern.com. mr. senna's into nature. professor kot's into science. but together, we work! like our senokot laxatives. to relve occasional constipation, senokot's made from the senna plant. refined by science toe reliable. perfect mah! just likus! hmph! senokot. you're watching football wrong! what do you call a guy in face paint that can't get the game? ...a clown! sorry, what app was it again? no, no. just give me a second...

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images of the fulton county jail, where in a few hours former president trump will be placed under arrest. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper in washington, d.c. trump is now making his way to georgia. just a few minutes ago we saw his motorcade leave for the airport. he posted on social media, arrest time 7:30 p.m. before his surrender this evening, mark meadows turned himself in. his mug shot was just released. a number of other co-defendants have turned themselves in. now remains eight individuals, including president trump. they have until noon tomorrow to do so. kaitlan collins will coanchor the show this hour. you have new i