institutions. >> i agree with you. his legacy is a disrespect for rules and laws and norms for institutions, which he discounts. that's why he's been dangerous. >> i don't know what the circuit breaker is. when i was in iowa lately, a trump folder said that if it was in dc and new york she wouldn't believe me and she said if it was in new york, she would. will wait for the big minutes a big our ahead. >> we are keeping a very, very close eye on the atlanta airport right now for donald trump's landing and it should happen at any moment. to our viewers, thank you very much for watching. i'm wolf in the situation room. cnn special light breaking news coverage continues right now with jake tapper, anderson cooper and caitlin collins. >> wolf, thank you very much. looking there at hartsfield jackson international airport in atlanta with the 45th president of the united states is expected to arrive any moment on his way to surrender for the fourth time this year on felony criminal charges. good evening. i'm anderson cooper here in new

york where jake tapper's abortion were the former present basis federal counts, as well as in florida. caitlin collins is outside the fulton county jail in atlanta where he will be booked tonight. >> anderson, after landing, we expect that donald trump will ride in from the atlanta airport with his new lawyer, steve inside-out, who replaced his former top georgia attorney, drew, earlier today. >> jay, of course, when he gets here to the jail, you can see over my shoulder, the question is can still, will he have his mug shot taken the way his former chief of staff, mark meadows, rudy giuliani and all of the other defendant certainly have. his own team says that it has not yet been decided and certainly as of a little bit earlier today, despite the fulton county sheriff's earlier statement that they will all get the same treatment. of course, that turns out to be the case, we will see another

first tonight. that's in addition to something we learn today. also, he is the first to engage the services of a bail bondsman. >> that said, mr. trump is not the first president to see his former chief of staff mug shot on the front page. president richard nixon did beat him to it. his chief of staff hr, also known as bob haldeman, was convicted and did 18 months in prison on watergate -related charges. nor is rudy giuliani the first new york mayor to sully his reputation. he is the first u.s. attorney to dismantle the mob using the rico statute only to later be charged as he has been with a rico violation. one note about the least known of the 19 defendants, harrison floyd, director of black voices for trump, he either could not or would not reach a broad agreement and as of right now, he remains in the fulton county

jail as opposed to all of the other codefendants along with mr. trump. >> jay, a lot to cover in the hours ahead as we await the arrival of the former president in atlanta. i want to turn to john miller. just in terms of what to expect in this next hour, he arrives there, drives to the jail. what then? >> i mean, it's kind of interesting in that the motorcade that they had planned for him is a full motorcade. it is the bulletproof car. it is the lead car. it's the staff car behind. >> i'm told this is his plane. we've been watching different commercial planes land and this is his plan coming in. >> i mean come on top of that,

atlanta pd and the other agencies, they have intersection control, which is as he approaches, those are going to be blocks to traffic, so it's going to be very similar to the right he would take when he was president of the united states. what, basically, a frozen route from the airport to the jail. >> is that because of security concerns because we haven't seen that for the last time here. >> so we haven't and it is a security concern. i think that it's also about waiting until this late at night to get in quickly, get out quickly, avoid, you know, making the rush-hour worse i think from donald trump standpoint, there's probably some aspect of doing this during primetime television to catch up on exposure that he would have missed last night but i also, the plan is that when they get to the jail, there is a sally port and they drive in the right street side of the jefferson street side. they go into the sally port. the gate closes behind them.

another great opens in front of them. they go, basically in a frozen zone and it will be the limo, the lead car in the following only three cars with the secret service detail. the rest are of the motorcade will turn around to face the direction for departure. he will go in and go through this process, presumably with the mug shot. life skin fingerprints. electronically. the forms have all been filled out in advance by advanced people to try and get as much is the paperwork out of the way, so that they will turn all of that around. he will come out the same way that he came in, so in this case, we expect not to see him, except to come off the plane and perhaps stopping to make a statement at the airport and getting back on the plane. >> go ahead. >> what's worth remarking on here, this is different than the when we seen in the past because the power three mac

cases, the surrender in the processing happen inside of a courthouse. now we are in fulton county this will happen inside a county jail. he's not going to be in general population. he's not going to be in a cell, but i think this is a reality hit that this will happen inside of a jail and it's a reminder, also, the stakes here. these cases are about more than just the paper in the indictment. this is a real criminal case and if donald trump is convicted and we are a long ways away from that, this is where he could end up several months down the road. >> let's go back to jake. jake. >> thanks so much and as we watch the images coming in from hartsville, jackson airport international airport in atlanta, it is quite a sight to behold. the idea that a former president for the fourth time is landing and coming to a jail where he will be arraigned and arrested. we do not expect that it will be a particularly long process. we expect he will be in and out, as opposed to the individual that we were talking about just a few minutes ago with blacks for trump who did not previously, properly negotiate his bond and so it looks like he will spend at least one night in the fulton jail. the fulton county jail, which is a notorious horrific jail,

but again, we do not expect mr. trump or any of the other 17 codefendants to have to spend a night in that jail. michael moore, former u.s. attorney for central georgia, it is a sad day. whether you like mr. trump or you don't like mr. trump or whether you approve of the charges or you don't approve the charges, the fact is, the allegations are serious. we all saw it play out and it's sad that it's come to this. >> i agree with you. i think, probably, what makes today different is that it is not sterile. some of the other times it's been almost a sterile process. we don't really see what happened. we don't know how the inner workings are going on but here, i mean, he's going into a jail and we talk about this. they all have a distinct smell. they are nasty places. you know? >> for the county jail is under investigation by the justice department right now for horrific conditions. >> he is now part of that place and so it's sad but it's also

jarring a little bit to think about what he seeing right now. i'm sure that anybody would. taken aback, i guess, where they found themselves there for the first time. >> even when this goes to trial, this is just the beginning of a process that's going to look so different, including that there could be cameras in the shorter courtrooms that would give us a completely different view of what trump looks like in that setting. coming prior to this, with only really seen him in courtroom sketches and maybe a photograph here and there, so this is a different proceeding. it is a different venue. the roles in a state setting like this are going to be dairy different for trump and, frankly, i'm not sure that he's really going to like it all that much because there already seems to be much less difference giving to him in this context than federal or the new york state context. >> no matter how much donald trump and his supporters tried to act as if this is something

that is all just part of a witchhunt and it's no big deal and it doesn't phase them and is used to it by now. this is a distressing situation. >> no question. i think the point that you made, michael and hearing you and the reporters there on the ground talk about, is that, maybe in new york city, it wasn't as pleasant, if you will, as the federal courthouse this and this is going to be a completely different situation and he is going to see firsthand how people have to deal and what it's like to deal with a very notorious jail as this kind of thing is but one thing i will say and john miller was talking about this, about the timing. you know, and say trumps orbit, they say that a big reason for this, the main reason for this

timing, 7:30 eastern at night, is because of traffic. is because of safety and the secret service wanted this. there is no questions and no one denies the fact that trump, as a showman, having this primetime moment as bad as it is for him, legally, it is very, very beneficial, he believes politically. >> we had sarah matthews, former white house trump communications official on the show earlier and she was talking about how donald trump likes being the center of attention for good or for bad. he likes the fact that today we are all talking about this and not the republican debate that featured eight of his challengers last night, which is true. he sucks the oxygen out of the room. we are now waiting for him to obviously come out of his boeing 757 and make his way down the stairs and i'm sure there will be a motorcade that will take him and his

entourage, including his new lawyer. was that his new lawyer? was that stevenson now? sydow? we know it was susie wiles, when of his aides and so -- along with someone we think is stephen sydow, his new attorney. >> on a quick no, i mean, just as we are looking at these pictures., trip coming down. there are a lot of the trappings of the presidency. most notably, the secret service that he still maintains, but they should >> as any expert. >> is a former president but the reason that we are here is because he is not the president anymore, despite what he wants to believe. he likes people to call him mr. president and all of that. he's not. he is facing charges because he doesn't have that umbrella of protection anymore that he enjoyed when he was the president of the united states. that too, i think, is very jarring for trump in a moment

like this as he does this now for the fourth time. >> andy, what is the point that we were talking about earlier, we were talking about of the 19 defendants, including mr. trump, harris employed, the former head of black voices for trump who has been indicted and turn himself into authorities having to do with his alleged harassment of fulton county election official, ruby freeman, he did not negotiate his bond agreements, so he may end up spending tonight in the fulton county jail. the notorious jail. trump and his allies like to talk about a two tier system of justice. they think republicans get overly prosecuted as opposed to democrats, but that is really an example of the two tier system of justice you are making a point. >> it really is, jake.

i think it stands out in particularly stark relief in the circumstances because you have, you know, 17 other, 18 other defendants in the same case all of our theme most female, all white, wealthy, professional people, political people, attorneys. >> at least have access to what, if not their own. >> that's right. have the financial ability to hire attorneys who were going in and negotiating the still so that their time in the jailhouse will be as short as possible and then on the other hand, you have this, harris employed, who was charged about a week or so ago as we understand for altercation he got in with fbi agents who were trying to serve a subpoena on him in conjunction with jack smith's federal investigation of election interference and allegedly assaulted when of those agents. he, without an attorney, walked up to the jailhouse and surrendered as he was told to. they discovered the outstanding warrant and he will now be in custody, likely, until they resolve or come to some sort of agreement with respect to bail on both of those charges. >> we should just not, it's a very dangerous jail. not that others aren't, but for the county jail is known for

prisoners being killed there or dying thereunder questionable circumstances. i think four or five in the last few weeks alone. 14 and 2022. i mean, it is really a horrible, disgusting place in macon, only one of these 19 individuals, and i don't think any of them should have to spend the night there but i'm just saying as you note, it really is a two tier system of justice. jamie, your thoughts as we watch these historic images. >> two points. 1f, most former presidents do not have motorcades like this in secret service protection. we don't know exactly why he all of a sudden has this big motorcade. i guess they are doing it because they think that he needs more security, but if you see former president bush, the son, the father, it is not look like this when they travel. i think a big part of it has to do with the optics of donald trump. he wants it to look like this, but -- >> would take a second here.

watching donald trump come down the stairs from his boeing 757 as he prepares to head to the fulton county jail to be arrested and booked. we are told it is possible that after his booking, when he is back in the location where he is right now, he will make remarks to the cameras and comment on the experience he is about to go through. the principal is now running to their cars, so as to record this. i'm sorry. please continue. >> no, just wanted ad, you know, you were saying earlier that today is a sad day. it's a sad day, historically, that this is where we are. on the other hand, i think that we should all note that this is also because no one is above the law. he is not getting a pass. yes, this is the fourth time,

but -- he has tried to undermine the system, the justice system, and he has done all of these posts about the justice department's, about the judges and we should not forget why we are here. we are here because donald trump did not want to give up power. >> yeah. >> thank you so much. anderson. >> jay, thanks so much. back here with the team in new york. we watch these images waiting for the motorcade to take off towards the fulton county jail. it should be a relatively quick process. >> 20 minutes in and out. >> once they get there. >> once they get there. if it goes as scheduled. of course, you know, you have this odd, not quite awkward situation where you've got the elected sheriff of fulton county and his team that runs that jail, a very troubled place. you have the secret service, fellow law enforcement officers

and their job is different in their job is to protect donald trump to make sure nothing happens to him coming or going and the deputy's job is to get him through a booking process where they are charging him with a crime and, you know, it is interesting for the secret service because they are not in the habit of letting go of a protect the but there is this moment in time where he goes from being there protect the to being in custody, legal custody, of another agency until that agency says, okay, this process is over. you are technically free to go, but there is that netherworld where he is not. >> they are on their way now. ellie, talk about the bond process that he has gone through. >> so this has already been negotiated between the da and donald trump's team in advance and signed off on by the judge in the terms of the bond, $200,000 cash bond, although he

doesn't have to and he hasn't written a check for $200,000 now reporting is that he posted the 10% about the rebel bonds agency, which is the way that most people do it. the other thing to keep in mind, which is important about the bond here, is that there are very specific restrictions on what donald trump can say publicly about this case. he may not intimidate or threaten any codefendant, any witness, any victim or the community, in general. there are very specific terms that are in donald trump's conditions that are not in the other defendants conditions. the other thing this and donald trump's conditions, he may not violate any of these provisions by posting up social media war by reposting on social media because they've seen how he does this before and when he makes remarks later tonight, as we just heard, we are expecting to see. it's going to be very interesting to see, does he challenge that are told the liner cross that line or do prosecutors of the judge call him out on it and enforce consequences for him? >> we've grown used to seeing these images now but it it is worth pointing out how bizarre

this is, particularly for, this is a man who, i don't remember if it was when he was campaigning or when he was actually president in front of, i think it was sheriff's on long island. it was a team of sheriffs were encouraging police to not treat defendants quite so with kid gloves. >> you don't have to be so gentle. >> with their heads bang into the police cruiser as you are putting them in. the irony is, he was encouraging police to be rough with defendants and now he's in the position of putting himself in the hands of these police officers. >> there are a lot of these contradictions here. he spent a lot of time talking about anybody who mishandled classified documents belongs in jail. it is full of interesting contradictions. >> he also said publicly, when he was running for office, it would triple our government to have a president who is facing indictment and potential across race and a jeff duncan pointed out that the other night and

now we are looking at the possibility of that. >> the thing that so interesting, the republican supporters of donald trump keep saying, you know, they don't want two tiered justice systems and they want equal justice and they want justice. no, they don't. not in that jail. not not jail. that jail was when of the most terrific jails in the country and wanted the things that i'm observing is, this is what the richest people in america, donald trump. he's facing 91 felony charges. he can plunk down $20,000 and work out? that's not equal justice. i don't know anybody facing 91 felony charges with that much money that's going to get an escort in an escort out. there is not -- there is a two tiered system in the justice and it benefits people like donald trump. he keeps on comparing himself to hillary clinton and hunter biden. compare yourself to everybody else in that jail. compare yourself to everybody else facing the system without all of that protection and without the secret service. without a cotillion lawyers.

without the media on you. there are people in the gel suffering right now. you don't want equal justice. you want special justice for donald trump. they should admit that. >> does he pay the entire bond or does -- did he actually get a bail bondsman? >> yes. he went to vinny or whatever, just like key do in the neighborhood. he went to vinny and plunk down 10%. i mean, that is what everybody else does. >> rudy giuliani actually stop by his belt bondman, second chance. >> for a guy who is running, that could be the lucky bondsman. >> i assume he is not going to be needing to stop by the bell bondsman. >> i thought that was a ranch. i'm mystified why he's using a bail bonds company. he's a billionaire. >> he should have 20 garrett. >> i don't know if he's as wealthy as he gets off. >> what struck me was making the point about the conditions of his belt, which of course, not intimidating the potential jurors, the da in this case, but he's also towing a light on

his true social he's calling bonnie willis a lowlife and a leftist and talking about the violent crime that has ravaged atlanta in this region already. amen that's never been known for self-control, donald trump, i think he's really going to push the limits of what he can say and play the game we always do and try to get into his head, on the one hand, i worry this is becoming a bit pro forma. this is the fourth time that he's got to this process and he knows that if i do it at prime time, the cameras are going to cut him on the other side, you see him spiraling on his social media and you see the statements in the length of them in the outrage. he's clearly not happy that this is happening to him. what i don't think has been reaches any sort of recognition of his wrongdoing. >> foster bail bonds. it wasn't vinny. >> if you need one. >> the choice of the former president. the former president is heading to fulton county jail where caitlin collins is standing by. let's go to her. caitlin. >> yes, anderson. just remarkable watching this

scene play out and this may be a moment that others didn't seem to stand out as much but the plane landed and you saw a woman emerge and that is susie wiles. she is a senior campaign advisor to donald trump and she is significant not just for her title, but she is also the person that controls a lot of the attorneys in their paychecks and who it is that trump is bringing into his legal team. that was the case with john morrow, the new attorney the trump added for the federal indictment in washington and it is certainly the case here with stephen saito and that's the new attorney who, this may have been the first time that he met donald trump as he climbed the steps to trumps plane and went in there briefly before trump even arch and they got in a motorcade to head here to the fulton county jail behind me. i've got cnn sarah murray with me and sarah flack, who was a

former prosecutor for the county, so perfect expertise for this. just knowing how trumps legal orbit operates and how this works, i mean, as a week ago, it wasn't clear to me that they were bringing on this name, in particular. they have been looking for new attorneys but this is quite a first down the job. >> it really is. on the one hand, is also present for donald trump to be taking up his legal team. what seen him do this in every other case, essentially that he has been involved in but drew, who was his original attorney, was already a prominent criminal defense attorney who was used to celebrity clients. now we have stephen saito, another prominent criminal defense attorney who is no stranger to celebrity clients. when you talk to people about the reputation of stephen saito and i talked to a number of lawyers about him today and they say, look, if i were in trouble, he would be top of my list of lawyers that i would call, so we are not in a situation where donald trump is, you know, hiring someone who just wants to perform on

television or hiring someone who has questionable credentials. this is someone who is well respected here in atlanta. >> you been in the courtroom with stephen. what's his reputation? >> absolutely. he is notorious. he handles high-profile cases only. usually really, really serious cases. murder, rico, racketeering, a lot of federal cases in federal courts all over the state and he's known as a trial lawyer and most of the cases he has go to trial and if not, he's also handling really huge appeals at our georgia state supreme court. >> he's represented ti, ray lewis, usher. he has represented high-profile clients. safe to say that this is the highest profile case that he has ever taken. i should note behind us, jake and anderson, we can see a few cars arriving we are truly right outside the fulton county jail. there, can you walk us through what this is going to look like? what is trump going to see when he walks into the shell? >> he's going to be going through the sally port, which is where most people go when they are booked into the fulton county jail and it's almost like a big dmv. they are there which airs in

different areas and there is a place for mug shots and fingerprinting and there is a place to fill out bonding information or your background information and getting all of your information and doing body searches. they probably when i been doing that for the former president. a lot of this is already been done but rest assured, he's going to be in their having to go to these different stations to get his fingerprints and get his mug shot taken. >> what is he going to see as far as the conditions? the conditions of this jail has been under investigation by the justice department for the people that have to stay here overnight are treated, overcrowding, violence. also, the sheriff said the walls were coming and people were creating shade side of the pieces of the concrete that have been broken. what will he actually physically see? >> the former president will see the true conditions of that jail. i was there last week and even going through to the elevator, the floors were flooded. the water, you are having to tiptoe around i know that is no different back in the intake area. the intake areas on the other side of the front entrance to county jail.

you can see the walls, the ceilings are leaking and there is a lot of issues with the leaking ceiling and he was see that when you walk in. it smells terrible. it is hot. a lot of the cells in areas in the gel have no ac, so he will feel and see all of that. no doubt. >> i do think that's when of the biggest differences. this case is different because of all of the codefendants and also, in the past, donald trump has been able to walk into court and walk out and not really get this experience that you might see other criminal defendants get and obviously he's being spared some of that and he's not going to spend hours in there like a normal defendant would. is not going to spend days in there but he does have to go inside an action actual jail. >> it even spending a little bit of time in there. when we were outside of the courthouse in washington on the federal charges, mean, he was irritated because it took 20 or so minutes for him to get finger printed and then he was physically fingerprinted with actual ink and he had to go wash his hands after. i mean, what is the process going to be like?

how long do you expect it will take? >> for him, it will be somewhere between 20 and 30 minutes and typically, that area, there are other inmates being processed in the for the county jail, there is not a lot of other places to do booking and it's an old, old facility. maybe they won't have other inmates sitting in there with them like normal but he will be in that typical area and he's going to have to go through -- the fulton county jail is known for very odd processes and is not updated and there is no way to hide that. >> you see that in some of the blurriness of the mug shots we gotten so far but i do think in talking to sources here, does seem like it is a mutual feeling that trumps team in the sheriff's team want to move the former president through there as quickly as possible. they don't want this to be a process worries lingering. >> just updated as we are watching trump make his way over here to the fulton county courthouse. trump did, indeed, meet with his new attorney, stephen saito. they are produced limited for the first time as trumpet there and meeting him and check in

hand as they met and they got on that plane and just remarkable to see the scene flying out that a former president is about to walk into this jail. >> i bet he likes the lights and siren in the full, you know, motorcade treatment that he's gotten here. obviously that is when of the things that i think has irritated him and some of his past arrests that he didn't get that poor treatment but i'm sure that is going to change. i sarah said, once he walks inside of the jail and gets people sort of site and sent and feeling of what this notorious fulton county jail is like. >> right. like i said, there is no hiding the conditions of that place and is probably the worst jail in the country. maybe even, you know -- i don't know. maybe the world. >> it does seem striking. >> just the noise you heard behind us. i mean, there are a few dozen

supporters of the former president. a few protesters of his as well, who have been setting outside the fulton county jail all day. they've grown in numbers. there is an increased amount of security behind us and cars just lined up on the drive here. that drive you can see behind me we actually saw an ally of the former president earlier, marjorie taylor green with a coterie of security around her coming out to speak to the supporters here. now you see it is lined with law-enforcement vehicles here. they are awaiting trumps arrival to this jail as he comes in. when he gets into there, he's not going to be spending the night. he's not going to be staying for long, but he's also never been to a jail, that we know of before, this kind of sense. he's only gone to the courthouse before to turn himself in. >> right. i think it would be very hard for me to imagine, even for

someone like donald trump, that it doesn't feel like something of a wake-up call. just listening to you describe the conditions and describe the way the sand hit you and describe the way that even if you are not getting thrown in with the general population, which, of course, we don't expect donald trump would be, that you do it the full effect of, this is a gel that is overcrowded. this is a gel that is under federal investigation. this is a gel that even the sheriff has been begging for additional money, additional help, because he knows that they have an overcrowded issue and they have safety issues here. >> is also negotiated in tamara's reporting earlier about his bond. he's worked with a bond group to put down 10% about $2000 bond. when of the high spots we seen in this entire case, but he has strict restrictions coming along with that about what he can and cannot do. i mean, what do they do if he violates those? is talking about threatening witnesses and codefendants and posting on social media. >> i can tell you. madam willis has an entire team that is dedicated to watching donald trump and his team and i can tell you that if he even remotely thinks about violating

that bond, she will file a very detailed, lengthy motion to revoke his bond and there will be a full-blown hearing at the fulton county courthouse where he will day she will have to prove that he violated if he did, he will be arrested there and taken right back here to 901 rice street. >> would question had been about what's about to happen here in a few moments and we see and amulets pull-up. it's the buckshot. i was talking to people on trumps team earlier this morning and they were claiming that is still unclear whether or not the buckshot was actually going to happen that seems to contradict what we've heard from the sheriff who said that he's going to be treated like anybody else. if he doesn't get a mug shot, with that make sense to you or would that be completely out of any protocol you seen? >> i would be completely shocked if we don't see a mug shot. i think we would see a mug shot this evening and it's exactly what the sheriff's office said they were going to do and what they've done for every other defendant in is what they do for every other defendant in the county i think we will see a mug shot. >> it does seem, in this case,

he really set himself up for a box and because he was so prominently out there saying, we are going to treat in the defendant in this case the same as any other defendant that's obviously not entirely true when it comes to the former president but he said, we are going to have a mug shot ready for him. >> there is his motorcade. they are turning in. i believe that is jefferson street. you can see the barbed wire on the fence in the background. a bit larger of a motorcade than what we've seen in some of his previous times that he's come to surrender and turn himself in for an indictment. >> it is large and there is a decent sized crowd out here. i think i first got here around 7:30 this morning and they were already a couple of people there. that has obviously grown throughout the day. i certainly think that they didn't want this causing days they didn't want him sitting in

traffic. obviously they wanted these escorts but they didn't want to have problems along the way with a right ear. >> with the district attorney. he worked alongside her. what is she doing as all of this, it seems controlled chaos is the phrase we would use right now. is she just going about business as usual? what does that look like for her? >> i imagine she's in her office. i know she has a separate and complete union wing there at the das office and that's aside from the normal prosecutors of that office and i imagine she is there with 13 monitoring what's going on and probably speaking with the sheriff to make sure that everybody is turned in and there are no issues. i imagine the clerk, the new clerk, actually, chez alexander, as bernard of that to make sure the paperwork goes through in bonding and he will have a booking i.d. number tonight, so making sure all those things are connected and dealing with logistics. >> you can see the motorcade entering the grounds. of course, we are waiting for him. i should know, as we are covering this and it is remarkable to see the motorcade

and watches plane land, trump himself has been not downplaying this. i mean, he is certainly saying how we use these exact moments to his political advantage, sarah. you covered it when he was in the white house as well. he was missing today, what time he expected to be here. 7:30. here to 7:34 as he is arriving here. >> we love some timely guidance, i guess. he does use this. he uses these for fundraising's and that's when of the questions about this sort of value of a mug shot in this case. right? it's, sure, treating donald trump if he does get when the same as any other defendant but you are also giving him a photo that there is no doubt that he's going to you as a professional material and fundraising material and i believe he met a fake mug shot in the past that he used for

fundraising purposes and i believe that is what of the things that's got into consideration his previous three arrests where he has not had a mug shot. do we really need to do this when we're talking about a former president at the united states. we know what he looks like. >> he's the highest profile person this week that's come in here but it's not just trumpets got through this entire process and put out our motorcade and mark meadows came in earlier and had his mug shot yesterday and today was already giuliani coming in. i mean, the parade of people and former top officials in the u.s. government that have come through this for the cottage on the last few days is remarkable in and of itself. >> absolutely. some president. it's nothing like any jealous ever seen and certainly, i know, atlanta has ever seen i know a lot of work and effort has gone into making sure it goes through without a hitch, but it will be interesting to see what happens inside a jail because, again, it is the fulton county jail. >> you know this jail well but for people at home watching that haven't been to atlanta,

can you remind them that the justice department has opened investigations into the show because of the humanitarian conditions and the crisis that the sheriff had. can u speak to what regular people who go into the still experience? >> yes, it is overcrowded. there are not enough beds for inmates, so at the height of covid have recently, people were sleeping on the floor. they didn't have enough masks that one point. they were notorious for the locks and different so that walking and it poses a security risk for inmates and there is a serious gang issue in that jail and the higher up you go. the higher up you go, the more serious the charges on people who are charged with murder in more serious crimes are on the seventh born down on the first floor you have mental health or special high profile people like donald trump. if he was house there, he would be on the first floor. >> this was a choice to have donald trump and these others 18 codefendants show up and be

processed at the joe. this is not have to happen. he calmly does for most defendants in this case but there are other ways that defendants can be arrested, can be criminally process of this was a choice that the sheriff made that he wanted all of these defendants, you know, in consultation with the district attorney to go through this process close to what a normal criminal defendant was. >> what would the other options had been? >> my understanding is that there is an option at the fulton county courthouse that is very uncommonly used but is a possibility, but two, that they could potentially made other arrangements and other places to do this. in my conversations leading up to it, it sort of seemed like the joe was the top of their last, the da and the sheriff really wanted to send this message that they were going to try to treat these defendants as close to any other criminal defendant. again, obviously a normal criminal defendant does not get the lights and sirens treatment from the airport and is not going to be in and out in 15,

20 or 30 minutes but it was still a choice for the sheriff to have them all come here. >> i should note that he is, we are told, being placed under arrest and for the county right now. he is surrendering to the state law enforcement and now he's going to undergo the booking process and you were mentioning, did you call it the sally port? >> yes, the sally port and that's where he's at. that's where you are taken eric >> that's where he is just now entering the jail? >> correct. there is a sally port and there is a private area. typically they would do a switch search and they will unclog you into a cavity search make sure you are not smuggling in contraband and then you will be taken inside where the intake booking at process happens with all of different sections. >> is that the interests that typically a defendant would go through? >> that is the area that a

defendant would go through with the exception of, if a person knows they have an active warrant off of the street, sometimes their attorney will arrange to walk them in the front door of the jail and say, hi, my client is surrendering and you would do that through the front door but if you are resting on the street and you are taken in a police vehicle, you are going to be taken to the back of sally port. >> will we were talking about the two tiered system of justice and how some people are treated and trump is treated and typically they would not clear the streets of atlanta to have a defendants motorcade come through. this does look unusual than what you would typically see for a defendant. >> you are right. the streets would not be close and i will say that when they do transport inmates from the joe to the fulton county courthouse, which is about a seven minute ride, that happens a few times a day and they do have an escort, obviously, for safety purposes with the sheriff's office this and the folks in that way to make sure there is no issues. fulton county is the home of the most dangerous shootings at the workhouse and to the five with ryan nichols and security has been elevated here since then. more probably than anywhere else in the county courthouse

in our state, so security is number one here in fulton county because of that. >> and trump has officially gone into the jail. we are told that his aides that are with them are sitting in the vehicles that you can see. obviously the secret service goes in with him. they did that in washington. just a remarkable security scene because of secret service but one person who is sitting in the cards right there that the people at home 10 no, is walk, his codefendant in the documents case, just to speak to the bizarre level of what we are watching. >> it does sort of, you know, you're talking about susie wiles earlier. it makes you wonder back to the beginning when susie wiles started working for trump and some of these eight started working for trump how different it is and how different this experience of working for, you know, again, the front runner for the republican nomination for president is from what they anticipated. organizing lawyers. sitting in a motorcade outside of a jail while the person you

are working for is preparing to be arrested or is under arrest for the fourth time. i mean, it's incredible thing to see. >> yes, jake. you cover a lot of campaigns to cover the white house and it safe to say that it's not typically what senior advisors on campaigns are tasked with doing and making sure that you have the right attorneys for your indictments. >> no, certainly not, unless it's four indictments, including the one, we should note, just to update you as of the pictures we saw when mr. trump's plane landed at 7:57, he landed at hartsfield airport in atlanta. that was, in fact, his new attorney, stephen saito who got onto the private plane to talk to him, along with his aid, susie wiles. we saw her and for those keeping track at home, walt not a, who is his codefendant in the special counsel's class by document case, is also traveling with him. donald trump, as we understand it, is right now, being placed under arrest and surrendering to law enforcement. what think that's interesting about this case and i would

love to get our lawyers here to weigh in, as we understand that mr. trump is using the services of charles shaw of foster bail bonds llc to put up the $200,000. is that normal, michael moore, the former u.s. attorney for georgia. is that normal? >> there's nothing normal about that at all. because you're paying a bail bondsman a fee to sign your balance if it was somebody would put up their own cash, special somebody who is wealthy. they would make a deposit. >> is only 10%. $20,000. >> that has to be in his self a change. >> or in the change of his giant plane. >> across more than that to come out. it is unusual to see that. some people put up a property bond if they live in the state are in the county where the gel is, but here, to have him use a bail bondsman is different.

>> why would he do such a thing? >> i feel like i'm watching a campaign trip as opposed to a court trip and for everything from the number of the colors in the secret service detail, to the fascination with the plane coming in and the big production and i'm not sure that that is a play into the narrative of me as a victim and i'm being victimized, so i'm doing this. that's the only thing that i could come up with that would make sense because they >> we are going to put you on our political panel. you just nailed it. >> you remember the back of the shirts for the bad news bears. they were sponsored by bell bondsman. i'm think that was the sponsor. >> maybe he didn't want to hand over his own money. >> 20 grand? >> there are smaller things that he was there with it over. >> sometimes you pay 10% of the bottom half. it's a hefty fee. >> even to your point about getting off the plane and seeing the press running from one part to the motorcade, i mean, that is stuff that you really only see when it is the actual president. that is not typical for a

former president to have that kind of arrangement >> when he came down from the plane and he said something to the cameras we could hear he said, thank you very much. >> he's used to coming off that plane and having people at the airport on the sidelines cheering for him and waited for him and that was typical when trump was president. that's typical for most presidents with a land somewhere. it didn't happen today because there was really no one there except for the media but trump, in his mind, his caring this out like he would if he were still sitting in the oval office. >> except, remember what he is right now. yes, he is the former president but he is a candidate for the presidency. >> the striking thing though, he is not doing it alone. he's doing it with the significant assistance of fulton county authorities in the secret service. now, they approach protecting

him. they make their decisions about how he is going to be predicted based on the threat assessment and there may be threats that they are concerned about that we are not aware of, but i have to tell you, you don't see motorcades with parades of motorcycles this song when the president of the united states drive through washington, d.c. this is really, if i lived in atlanta, i would have questions. >> what you mean? because of the public expense? all of the sponsor? all of this is not necessary. >> it's hard to imagine. i don't know what their threat assessment is a notice the work that they do, but this appears to be pretty over the top. >> is a security matter, does it make more sense to have a smaller footprint and just have a car or two drive to the jail as opposed to a big motorcade? >> it certainly can. it depends on the environment. let's think about this compared to miami. in miami, we didn't see barricades in front of the courthouse. he was able to pull right up. of course, he drove into the building, similar to the way he's doing here. new york city didn't shut down there perimeter around the

courthouse where he was arraigned, so there are other ways to do it. clearly, other than shutting down the entire city, closing the highway and using, you know, they should >> they made a big deal about the mug shot in the negotiation over the mug shot and it might be a more interesting to say, we will negotiate it when you turn yourself in. like 3:00 a.m. is a lot more secure than coming in at 7:00 and this could be done quietly with all of the fanfare. >> right. also, i mean, as abby noted, he enjoys the fans. you couldn't pick a better time to be arrested, arraigned. if one wanted as much attention as possible for it, we are told, by the way, that the process is done trump has been arrested and right now we are told that he will be leaving the fulton county jail shortly in the motorcade and we will see

that he was arrested and booked. >> he will be arraigned later. >> jay, as we were discussing earlier, they did provide, in the record, his height and weight, 6'3", 215 pounds. it's out there. >> 200 what? >> 215 pounds. >> did they said that they took it because we were told that he filled out some papers ahead of time. >> it doesn't look like they put him on a scale. >> my understanding is, he was given the ability to fill out some paperwork i had a time, including his weight. >> he filled out, donald trump said that he weighed 250 pounds. >> i was not there, but they should >> it is a self reporting. >> it is a self reporting. >> so he's lost 25 pounds since he was president is what we are understanding because he was, i believe, doctor ronnie jackson said he waited for 242.

people at the time were skeptical of that number. >> we are looking at the document. >> white male, 6'3", 215 pounds, hear, ponder strawberry, ice, blue. >> did he feel that out too? >> i think a lot this day should >> how does that -- how to strawberry and upon a questionnaire? >> that's a good question. >> strawberry blonde. >> okay. i've never seen strawberry as an option on the form. not that i would be looking for it anyway. yes. white male, 6'3", 215 pounds, blonde or strawberry, with blue eyes. of much more importance, the charges. violation of the georgia racketeering influenced and corrupt organizations or rico act and on and on and on. working charges. this i look familiar to you? >> this looks like the screenshot you would see outlining the charges and it identifies the bond that's

assigned to each one. as opposed to giving a mass bond to cover the entire indictment, they broken down to a certain amount per charge. >> that would be normal. >> is it normal to self-report your height and weight? >> again, this is probably different. it is being treated different. had he gone and as a regular inmate or defendant to be turned in, they would have done a process and they typically would way into a patdown and those kinds of things. >> let's go through some of the charges here because i'm wondering which ones you think is the most important and most significant in the first one, obviously, violation of the georgia rico act. that is alleging that he >> that is by far the most significant charge he'sing. he will at trial i'm sure be portrayed as the head of a racketeering enterprise that engaged in this conspiracy to steal the election, and then you can see the remainder of the

charges. these are essentially all of the elements that go into what that enterprise is alleged to have committed in the lead up to -- in the aftermath of the election. >> and what's the next one there? >> the next one is solicitation of violation of oath by public officer. >> that is trying to get somebody who is a public official to violate their oath to the state -- to violate their oath to the state or constitution. that could have been state legislatures, federal electors, leaning on the secretary of state raffensperger and et cetera. >> that's right. >> the next one is conspiracy to commit impurseersonating a publ officer. >> that would be the fake elector scheme. and conspiracy to commit forgery in the first degree and that would be the fake elector scheme, forging those documents and sending those documents to the national archives. you have conspiracy to commit false statements in writings. >> all the documents in which he

was claiming documents that didn't exist about things he'd been told by his lawyers and his attorney general and white house counsel et cetera, et cetera were not true. >> that's right. and that's also statements by people like rudy giuliani acting on his behalf testifying to the georgia state senate and making false statements in that testimony likely -- >> even though he wasn't sworn in. it was still an official proceeding or --? >> correct. to commit filing false documents -- i'm sorry. false statements in writings. yeah, conspiracy to commit false statements in writings. >> and donald trump's record now says he has been released on bond, we should just note as part of this process thanks to the bails bondsman foster bails bondsman and llc who put the bond up for $200,000 bond. >> i bet for their intervention he'd be staying the night.

>> i'm guessing he'd have $20,000 or any member of his very wealthy family would have $20,000. it's still a mystery why he did this but okay. >> people like john eastman and others who surrendered earlier isthe week, it was typically taking those folks about an hour and a half inside. sounds like the process he went through was greatly truncated or facilitated in some ways. >> reporter: which is also in the interest of the fulton county jail, they don't want that situation going on for a long time. any other charges you want to go through? >> so we have solicitation of violation of public oath by public officer. false statements in writings that's another repeat. we have solicitation of violation of oath by public officer, and these are just repeats. >> basically the same thing, different people. >> it's quite a list to behold when you look at all the

indictments, all the counts he's been charged with, abbey. >> yeah, it reflects the theory of the case from fani willis that trump is at the center of all of this, all of it from actually one of the dates listed for the offense of the rico charge is the day after the election. and that day after the election could have been literally election night when at 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning he comes out and makes a false statement that he basically won the election. that launches this whole conspiracy, so it is -- the reason there are so many counts, the reason that there are so many aspects of this that trump is involved in is because the whole point of this case is that he was at the heart of it, that he directed, that people did it on his behalf, and that he knew that a lot of this was based on lies. >> and now this will end with an actual mug shot. the sheriff of fulton county has confirmed that there was a mug shot taken of donald trump, and

i expect they will as with all the other mug shots of the former white house chief of staff mark meadows and former time person of the year, rudy giuliani, like there will be a mug shot release probably imminent. >> i'm just saying it'll be released in the media without a doubt. >> and that is a political gift to donald trump from his perspective and the perspective of the people around him. it is for any usual civilian, average human being, even most politicians having a mug shot is a albatross around somebody's neck. and for him his daughter-in-law lara trump has already been on television saying they already have the plans to make them into merch, and they're going to sell it and they're going to raise money off of it, and he's going to make it as notorious and own it as much as he possibly can because it fits right into his political campaign. >> which will no doubt help him

within the republican primary, but with a majority of the country that views what he tried to do differently, it will not necessarily be a gift. >> no. >> the motorcade we should note is now leaving the fulton county jail heading back to hartsfield-jackson international airport in atlanta. abby? >> just to note the seriousness of this on this case it's not going to be easy for trump to just shake. he cannot just become president and pardon himself or have someone pardon him. none of this is going to be easy to shake, so there is going to be a process for this. it's going to be a lengthy probably legal process. >> we should note for listeners a president can pardon himself for federal charges. >> probably. >> it's never been tested. but he could appoint an attorney general who would then dismiss the cases but not for state charges. >> he cannot do this in this case. he cannot even have the governor

of the state of georgia pardon him. this is going to be one of those cases he has to actually get through the whole thing, go through the legal process. maybe he wins on a motion, throws it out. that seems impossible given the stakes here. that's why this is so serious. it's probably why this case has been like the new york, the manhattan district attorney case. those cases that have been sort of in the back of his mind deep annoyances because they're not as easy for him to see a way out of. and trump's entire political career really from the beginning seems to always be about trying to keep the office of the presidency as a way of protecting himself from consequences like this, and gnat is not available to him in this case. >> you know, i think that's absolutely right. and despite the hollywood-esque staging and the motorcade and raising money off the mug shot, on a personal level he is riding in one of those suburbans right

thou, and he has for the first time in his life been inside a real jail. i've walked many people through that process in the course of my time in new york as an agent with the fbi, taken many people through their first time through the system, and it is a stark, depressing, humiliating experience because for the first time he's seeing people basically behind bars. and he's had to think about that in terms of to some degree this might be me. >> food for thought for sure. anderson? >> jake, thanks very much. as we watch the former president now heading back to the airport to get on his plane. it all went fast, seemed to go relatively smoothly. >> it wept as planned, as expected, and roughly to time. >> does it make sense to you -- we talked about this level of security, motor vehicles, it seems like it's the full -- >> it is. it very much resembles a

presidential motorcade for someone who's a former president. and, you know, if you've seen the movements of former presidents, you know, it's usually a much smaller package. in this case i think you've got a couple of factors. one, you've got the standard package which is the -- you know, the limo, the lead, the follow-up car. you've got a counter assault team because it's a high profile move and it's being televised live, which means the location is easy to track. the schedule was widely known. but then you've got, you know, the state police wanted to add their team in. you've got a staff car for the people who are traveling with former president trump who work for him on his staff, and now you have two vans for press. the motorcycles, there's 18 motorcycles, but they have a job that's more than the formality of riding in front of the motorcade as we just saw. those the outriders who race ahead, block the intersections, the ones who lead the motorcycles, then others race

ahead and block those intersections so that they have what they call a floating bubble of protection using the outriders. so it looks like a lot, but every vehicle has a purpose. two ambulances this time, one in case there's a medical emergency with the protection of donald trump. the other because when they did this the last time they had a motorcycle officer go down, and they want to have with that many motorcycles a spare ambulance. >> just in terms of the legal battle ahead for the former president, there was a pretty major development that hasn't gotten a lot of coverage, a legal move by one of the 19, chesebro, who's labeled as the creator or person behind the false elector scheme. explain his legal maneuvering and why it has such a big impact on the case. >> so this is a very big deal. there are 19 defendants charged in this case. kenneth chesebro, one of the defendants has demanhi