>> reporter: poppy, you got to see this. this is called the cool mitt device, new technology that cools the internal core body temperature of the athletes. it is set up at every three holes on this tour championship course. incredible. i have my hand in it, and it is cool to the touch. it literally can drop your internal body temperature in a matter of seconds. helping to regulate the players here on the field as well as spectators. >> like those heating things you use in your -- you're from atlanta, you don't know. >> do i have to be a member of the pga tour to get one of those? >> victor wants one. >> reporter: i'll bring it home. they're only a cool $1,000. >> all right. >> all right. thanks, derek. "cnn this morning" continues right now. >> i really believe this is a very sad day for america. this should never happen. >> the 45th president of the united states has now been arrested for the fourth time this year on criminal charges. >> this is the picture that will

probably stand the test of time for donald trump. >> since this has gone out, he's fund-raised off of it. >> terrible experience. i came in, i was treated very nicely, but it is what it is. >> i will not support a convicted felon for the position of president of the united states. regardless of who that person is. >> when all this is over, i think donald trump is going to go down as one of the biggest mistakes this country has ever made. >> you should be able to challenge the election. i thought the election was a rigged election, a stolen election. >> my question to the republicans who say you will vote for this guy, you hire somebody with a mug shot, would you hire somebody with 91 charges against him? >> i'm not angry at the prosecutor, i'm angry at donald trump for putting us in this position. >> this is ridiculous. we're going to do our duty to get the answers the american people deserve for this ridiculous indictment that has taken place in georgia. well, there you have it on every newspaper this morning, it is the mug shot seen around the world. the former president trump arrested, booked, and photographed at the fulton

county jail as inmate p01135809. trump was only at the jail for about 20 minutes. he did turn himself in on the 13 felony charges for trying to overturn his election loss in georgia. this is trump's fourth arrest in five months, but it is the first time he's had a mug shot taken and this morning the photo is as we said on the front page of pretty much every newspaper and tabloid across the nation and around the world, sources tell cnn trump made the decision to look defiant in this mug shot. here is how he described his experience shortly after his release. >> terrible experience. i came in, i was treated very nicely. but it is what it is. i took a mug shot, which i never heard the words mug shot. that wasn't -- they didn't teach me that at the wharton school of finance. >> the former president flaunted that photo, his mug shot on twitter, now known as x, just two hours after he surrendered.

trump posted it with the caption never surrender. it is the first time he's posted on twitter since he was banned after the january 6th insurrection and later reinstated. and new overnight, three more of trump's co-defendants have turned themselves in including jeffrey clark. that means that all but two of trump's 18 co-defendants have now surrendered before the deadline, just five hours away from that, it is noon today. >> we have team coverage this morning. a lot to get to. zachary cohen for us live at the fulton county courthouse. let's begin with kristen holmes near trump's golf course in new jersey where he returned very quickly, kristen, last night, right after very quickly getting out of jail after being booked. what can you tell us about his mood? the reporting that he intentionally looked defiant in that mug shot is really interesting. >> reporter: good morning, poppy and victor. we know he and his team discussed at length what exactly that mug shot would look like. should he smile, should he look serious, and that's where they

landed, and, remember, we talk about the word defiant, that came directly from a campaign adviser and that is something they like to say time and time again after each of these indictments and arraignments, that trump is defiant. but as we know two things can be true at once. when it comes to that mug shot, you know, comes to leaving the jail, they were very happy with how that turned out. as you said, they already started fund-raising off of it, started making t-shirts, he posted for the first time on x, formerly known as twitter, as a way to take control of the media narrative. he knows that people have been waiting for him to get back on twitter or x for literal years. and taking control of the narrative is what former president trump is very good at. but we also know that he is increasingly agitated by all of these charges, by these continuing arrests, and particularly by this case in georgia. i have spoken to him, at various times about this case, and other cases, but you can see the real anger when it comes to this specific case in georgia. he believes or he says he

believes that he did nothing wrong. and we heard some of that yesterday after he was processed. take a listen. >> really believe this is a very sad day for america, this should never happen. if you challenge an election, you should be able to challenge the election. i thought the election was a rigged election, a stolen election and i should have every right to do that. what has taken place here is a travesty of justice. we did nothing wrong. i did nothing wrong. and everybody knows it. i've never had such support and that goes with the other ones too. what they're doing is election interference. >> reporter: and obviously there he's talking about district attorney fani willis, and they believe that she is out to get him, that's what they say, this is election interference. but i want to point to one thing that you guys played in the intro there, that was him talking about his experience at the county jail, him saying it was a terrible experience. these are rare moments where you see donald trump actually admitting what this process is

like. so much of the time we hear him saying, oh, it is horrible, they're treating me badly, but rarely specifically saying going into this jail, being processed, is a horrible experience. it gives you a glimpse into what is actually going on, how he actually feels about this. >> and as victor pointed out, he didn't do a big press conference or anything after -- >> few words on the tarmac. after the first two, there was this big event in mar-a-lago. >> reporter: no question. no questions either. >> not this time. >> we know you would have asked good ones. kristen holmes, thank you very much, we appreciate it. so let's look ahead and, listen, we have on the screen here now a mix of mug shots and some head shots as we're waiting for those last few to come in. zachary cohen is there outside of the fulton county jail. are you at the courthouse? he's outside the courthouse. so the deadline is a few hours away. we're expecting that everyone will turn themselves in by that deadline, right?

>> reporter: yeah, victor and poppy. it has been a busy 24 hours here at the courthouse and also over at the fulton county jail as you know, as you said, 17 of the 19 defendants have already turned themselves in. there is two more that we do expect to turn themselves in at some point today before the noon deadline. but, look, you know, yesterday when donald trump came to the jail, that was probably the busiest moment, the scene outside was, you know, his supporters were there cheering him on, some dressed in jail outfits, holding signs, also some anti-trump protesters there as well, a good mix. but overnight even we have seen some of these defendants come turn themselves in even after trump left the fulton county jail. one of them was former doj official jeffrey clark who you'll remember is an environmental lawyer that trump almost installed as acting attorney general at the end of his term because he was the only one at the department of justice who would go with his plans to overturn the 2020 election. we are nearing the end here. we have seen the vast majority of these defendants turn themselves in. you can look ahead now to what

the potential trial will look like. the fulton county d.a. fani willis made clear she's ready to go to trial now. she asked for an october 23rd, 2023 trial date yesterday. that's two months from now and incredibly aggressive timeline for her. trump made clear yesterday through his lawyers that he really does not have any intention of having a speedy trial. he wants to play this out, delay as long as he possibly can, so we'll have to litigate those elements of the case going forward, but as of now, the first step is almost there, we have 17 of 19 defendants who have surrendered and can look ahead to how a particular trial might play out. >> zachary cohen for us outside the fulton county courthouse, thank you. with us, cnn senior legal analyst elie honig. what a week it has been. and there is so much ahead. let's begin with these efforts to -- look, so many. let's begin with the efforts to some of them move their case to federal court, because that's the hearing on monday. that's what that's about. >> we have 19 defendants and we

can see them now all starting to pull in sort of different directions. let's start with what we call removal. there is a law that says if you're a federal official or a former federal official and you get charged with state crimes, you can get your case moved to federal court if, this is the big if, you can show you are acting under color of such federal office. meaning you were acting within the scope of your job. we have seen these two defendants so far, mark meadows was the white house chief of staff and jeffrey clark was a doj official ask to remove their case to federal court. trump, who was president, has not yet made that motion, could be coming very soon. the d.a. responded, you are not within the scope of your federal office, you were committing crimes, that's the opposite of what you're supposed to be doing under federal office. mark meadows has his hearing on this issue on monday. and jeffrey clark's is going to be in a few weeks on september 18th. one of the big questions is what happens if one of these guys, clark or meadows or maybe trump, succeeds in getting their case moved over to federal court? does everyone go with them? the only honest answer is we

don't know. there is no specific procedure on this. i think the better argument is everyone is on their own, because the law is designed to protect federal officials, not random co-defendants who happen to be charged along with them. >> let's talk about one of the defendants who wants a very speedy trial, two months. >> this is, by the way, not a typo. october of 2023, less than two months from now. this is a -- kenneth chesebro. really important development. under georgia law, if you are a defendant and you insist on a speedy trial, speedy trial belongs to the defendant, you must be tried by the end of the next court term, which here means before november. kenneth chesebro said i want my speedy trial. fani willis said, fine, we'll see your speedy trial, we'll see you october 23rd and the judge said, okay, that's when we'll do your trial. fani willis said, in fact, i'll try all 19 of you on october 23rd, but me just say, that's not happening. >> they have a right to contest that. >> exactly. you have a right to say i want my speedy trial, but if you need

a little more time than two months to prepare, you're going to get it. if he goes first, we're going to have separate sequential trials, big advantage for everyone else. they'll sit back and watch the prosecution try the whole case against kenneth chesebro, see the witnesses, cross exam, take notes. >> if she doesn't meet that date for trial, he's acquitted under georgia law. >> the case gets thrown out if they don't try him on time. >> calendar. >> 2024, nice and free, right? looks good. november is the election we're all watching. let's look at what we have on the schedule. the new york hush money case, remember that one, that has been scheduled for trial, starting in late march, that's going to go through to april. jack smith's case, the federal case for mar-a-lago, down in florida, that one has been scheduled for late may, that's certainly going to carry through june and july. now, jack smith's other case, his january 6th case, he has asked to start in early january, if he gets that, it is going to

carry at least through april, probably beyond that. now, trump's team said we want a trial in 2026, that's on the other side of the studio. >> don't have a 2026 calendar here for us? >> we don't have a 2026 page just yet. the judge is going to hear that on monday. there is going to be a hearing where she'll consider that. and finally to make it extra complicated, fani willis, if she doesn't manage to move everyone up to the speedy trial date, she wants to start in early march, which is going to take, given how slow things move in georgia, all the way through here. you can't have the same person on trial three times, two times at once. >> because a criminal defendant has to be in the courtroom. >> right. you physically have to be there if you're the criminal defendant. donald trump had the e. jean carroll trial, similar case, but you have to be there. important to note, all of these are fluid. trial dates can and do move. the new york case, for example, the d.a. has said publicly he would be willing to consider moving. so, something's got to give here, this traffic jam just became gridlock. >> it did.

elie, thank you very much. victor? >> within five hours now for the rest of donald trump's co-defendants to turn themselves in there at the fulton county jail. what is next as the district attorney eyes as poppy and elie just discussed that october trial date? the former mayor of atlanta keisha lance bottoms joins us next. she was outside the jail last night. and vivek ramaswamy, apparently feels confident after the republican debate. why he says he thinks he'll win the 2024 election in a l landslide. ♪ zyrtec! ♪ works hard at hour one and twice as hard when you take it again the next day. so betty can be the... barcode beat conductor. let's be me than our allergies! and for fast, allergy relief with a powerful dengestant, try zyrtec-d.

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sympathetic than the one that they might get from the atlanta area. the state house courthouse there is based in fulton county in atlanta. joining us now is former mayor of atlanta, keisha lance bottoms. good to have you. you were there last night. this is your city. for it to happen there, what were you thinking, what were you feeling, what did you see? >> it was a very sad evening for me. i used to work inside the fulton county jail as a magistrate judge, so i've been inside the building, i've represented clients who have been inside that building. it is not a pleasant place. and to see the former president of the united states booked into that jail, i think really it is a sad day for all of us across america because it really is a disgrace that a former president has done things and encouraged others to do things that would lead him to a booking inside the fulton county jail. so i didn't take any joy in

seeing that happen on yesterday. it was a circus atmosphere out there yesterday evening. a lot of anger. i pulled up, they thought that i was fani willis and began to chant, lock her up. >> really? >> so it was -- it was a very -- very strange evening to say the least. >> we're going to have this motion in court on monday to try to get mark meadows' case, he wants it moved to federal court and it is the expectation that trump is going to follow in step because the thinking is you get a more favorable jury pool, and if trump wins again, he could get rid of it on the federal level, not the state level. how do you see this playing out, given that it was in your state? are you expecting this to be tried in georgia state court? >> i do expect it to be tried in state court. and you have to remember, fani willis is a very seasoned prosecutor, so she knew what she was taking before the grand jury

and what she had an opportunity to give indictments on. so i do believe that this will play out in state court, you're absolutely right. if it goes into the northern district of georgia, much more diverse jury pool. fulton county is split about 50/50 between democrats and republicans. i think democrats may have the upper hand slightly just as diverse racially diverse and if you think about the trial going on with young thug and some other rappers right now, it has been very difficult to see the jury inside fulton county. even if it does stay in fulton county, expect the jury selection process will take a very long time. >> you know, one of the elements that i guess is kind of a tertiary detail in this saga of this indictment is that we're learning about the rice street jail, and people are learning about the conditions of that jail, the sheriff now asking for $2 billion to build another

facility, but i wonder what you think the impact is of america seeing inside that jail, even after people have lost their lives, related in some ways to the conditions and the lack of care inside of it. >> well, i do want to give kudos to sheriff and his team and the way they managed yesterday. the challenges at the fulton county jail are long-standing. it used to be under federal court consent decree because of the issues at the jail, it came off of that consent decree a few years ago. i don't think it is going to be a surprise to anyone if it doesn't happen again, given that the doj is investigating the conditions at the jail. this jail was built around 1989, overcrowded from the day it was built. there has been an effort to get the county to support an -- the county recently approved the support of a new jail.

the facility is too small. and then you put on top of that covid, which created an extensive backlog in our court system, so you have a lot of people who are in jail, waiting on trials in that jail, so i don't think that it is a spotlight that sheriff labot would like to have on the jail, but he's been very vocal about the conditions at the jail and the need for resources. >> keisha lance bottoms, thank you. let's bring in former lieutenant governor of georgia, jeff duncan, scott yennjennings elie honig back with us at the table. as someone who was by governor kemp's side, lieutenant governor during all of what was happening, now being charged as crimes, you have said there is only one person who is trying to parlay this into running for president and in your view 18 other people are going to get train wrecked. that's the big picture here in your view. >> yeah, as i was watching the video play out of him leaving

the airport and going to the courthouse and i can only think that almost every american that would be the worst moment in their life. but not only because they're walking into a jail and being arraigned or whatever the legal procedure is and then also for the fourth time in four months, but 18 of your closest friends and advisers are going to be train wrecked, right? they could lose everything they have trying to defend, what, a mirage of -- a fictitious scenario, a lie. that would be hard to swallow. for donald trump, he's the only one that sees this as a tailwind and not a headwind. >> you parlay that into the thinking maybe this isn't going to be 19 defendants. maybe some of those 18 co-defendants will see it that way, as what the lieutenant governor just said, and cooperate and flip on trump. >> could see people just taking pleas, you could see people flipping and cooperating, absolutely. when push comes to shove, jeff is right, this is a sobering moment. we have gotten used to it, unfortunately, because we have done so many of these for donald trump, but for a normal person this is terrifying.

this can ruin a person financially, your liberty is at stake, your family is at stake, i've seen many people in these situations and ultimately it is a question of loyalty. i say this to potential cooperators, do you value yourself, your family, your own situation or are you going to be loyal to the person who got you in this mess? i do think people will be wrestling with that question as we speak. >> so the chesebro trial is going to start in 60 days, right? we'll start to see evidence, there will be cameras in the courtroom. before the announcement of this trial start date, what was expected maybe were hearings on delays and we need more time, we need documents. what will be the political impact of seeing this? is it as appealing then? >> i think the political impact on trump won't really hit until he goes on trial. and honestly for most republicans they consider all of this to be political until a jury gets it. i don't know when that's going to be for him and all of his cases, i think that's the line of demarcation here.

if he is convicted of a felony in any of these cases, it is going to cause a fairly sizable cohort of republicans to say i do not want to associate my franchise with this person any longer. >> despite what we saw at the debate, with six of the candidates holding up their hand saying they would support him even if he's convicted. >> i'm reading the polling. simple political consultant. 70% -- i'm just a caveman. 70% of the american people say a felon should not be president. including 58% of republicans. so when the jury -- by the way, juries are not political actors. a prosecutor can be vilified as a political actor and they have been, but a jury is ordinary americans, your peers. >> so, we're talking earlier about ken buck, a republican lawmaker, who said this yesterday on that front. we don't have it. he basically said i will not vote for a convicted felon, whoever it is. the question was about trump. you're very close to mitch

mcconnell, for example. former adviser. can you see words like that coming out of his mouth and republican leadership's mouth in the house and the senate? >> i don't think they're going to -- for mcconnell, he has studiously avoided commenting on trump since his floor speech in the second impeachment trial. his last words on this were, the criminal justice system and the civil justice system will have something to say about a former president and we'll have to let that process play out. what's happening right now. do i expect him to play pundit on this as the trials unfold? no. but it is obvious to me that trump is already in a difficult way in terms of a general election voter sample. you throw a felony conviction on top of it, makes it very difficult to see how, you know if you -- is there anything about this that would have made someone who leaned against him before lean into him this time? >> donald trump has brought the republican party to a slow boil, much look a frog in a pot, right? you don't realize, i don't think, the majority of

republicans how bad this is. even if he was to figure out a way to win the nomination, which the polling shows that seems likely, to win the actual general election which i don't think is likely, but what would he govern like? we're so close to disaster. and we have somehow normalized mug shots. and we're going to have to flip the script here. normally america leans into leaders to lead us through this. we have to start reverse leadership. the voters are going to have to, republicans have to grab a hold of this, local county commissioners have to grab a hold of this party and to change the direction of it or we might lose it forever. >> this slow boil is why i don't understand why you believe that voters won't vote for him if he's convicted. because the temperature is still going up. the frog is still alive in the pot. if you think that these polls show that they're not going to vote from once he's convicted, two years ago, they would have said they're not going to support him in the position he's in now. >> i think more republicans than you think, including people that have no intention of voting for him right now believe he's getting a raw deal.

massive numbers of republicans think he's been pursued, hounded, politically persecuted, whatever you want to call it. they have no intention of supporting him ever again. they do believe that. there is an undercurrent of that already. but the people who decide elections are sort of, you know, independent, center right independents in the suburbs around atlanta, around phoenix, around raleigh and other places. they do -- they are not going to vote for a convicted felon. they're not going to do it. this election cannot be a referendum on whether it is okay to be a convicted felon and the president. if you want to win, every republican i know wants it to be a referendum among biden. >> i have the same thought as you. the goal posts keep moving. it was, well, he's been impeached but not accused of a crime and now he's accused of a time. what will be said if he gets convicted, let's say the conviction is in april, let's say any of them, the response is going to be, well, he still has his appeal rights and we think that trial wasn't held legitimately, there is always

going to be -- not always, but before the election, always going to be some other step. >> the frog is also addicted to a drug called donald trump and we may have to crash and burn as a party. we may have to really see how bad bad gets. >> what does that mean? the judge is very conservative, legal scholar, said to us the other week, there is no republican party anymore. what does crash and burn look like? >> there is, right? if you look at the polling, 35% of folks are addicted to donald trump and seem to be running the party. there is still 65%, 50 million republicans that are wanting to ask tough questions and want genuine leadership and to your point, they want to go beat joe biden. by the way, the most easily beatable president maybe in history right now and we just don't seem to want to wake up to the easy facts. >> and still 35 points ahead of his closest rival in the primary. elie, scott, geoff, thank you so much. >> if president trump's arrest steals the spotlight from some candidates who were on the rise

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candidates during the debate. now he's trying to seize on the attention he's received, of course, former president trump is now back in the spotlight, though, after his arrest yesterday and all the candidates were on stage that night and are still chasing his double digit lead. let's talk about all of this. cnn political commentator scott jennings is back at the table. scott, you know this party very well, i'm digging through here, here is "the wall street journal," front page, political rookie upstages his rivals at the republican debate. he does not lack confidence. he does lack experience. but he's got a lot of success in business. he's obviously been intriguing to republicans. what are you hearing? >> he's channeling trump. everything about him is trying to rerun and re-create the trump playbook. the trouble is trump is still in the race. and he's sort of serving as just a surrogate for trump. i don't know how he expects to get nomination and be the next

president in a landslide. >> brett baer and martha mcccohen did an interview. >> he lacks -- you have to remember in '16, trump had a likability factor and people knew who he was before he came into the race. people kind of liked him. there is a reason that scooby-doo is one of the most beloved characters in animation and scrappy doo is one of most despised characters. >> i love scrappy doo. >> scooby and scrappy here. i think this act is going to wear thin. people still love scooby. >> is that a ticket? >> i like scrappy doo. olivia, to you, we're talking about single digit candidates here. the person who has more than half of the support is donald trump. does anything that happened over the last 48 hours or so change that share, that he's far and

ahead and maybe ramaswamy gets into double digits? >> no, unfortunately, as much as i would like to see this moment in time pass, i think trump remains a front-runner. i think he was on stage that night. he had his proxy up there like scott said, and ramaswamy was pretty much mini me up there and pretty much parroting everything that trump has said. and positions that trump has taken in the past. while trump was omnipresent throughout the debate, he was the elephant in the room, so to speak. i had hoped that we would see a breakthrough, but, look, trump is out there fund-raising based on his mug shot yesterday. i would think that we would want to take that moment more seriously for this time in our country, but it is what it is. the grift continues. >> there is a portion of the interview with laura ingraham which sells the point here. he's answering some question, kind of giving his pitch, and then this happens.

watch. >> i do think it is an important point to pause on where the left feeds our vacuum of purpose with race, gender, sexuality, climate, and i do think we as conservatives need to now level up. we're not just criticizing that agenda, but offer an actual vision of our own, individual family, nation, god. i'm leading the way on that. but i'm going to need the other people on that stage to play their part. >> all right, vivek, we got to get back to the trump chase here. but thank you for joining us. >> that's the race. that's the race. he's making a pitch, trying to sell on policy, sorry, we got to go over here and follow one of these cases. >> yeah. and the -- there is no differentiating between him and trump. he's got no area where he says this is how it will be different and therefore a better candidate. he said trump's the best candidate 21st century. he's gone to the courthouse in cases where trump has been indicted and arraigned. it is a pure trump surrogacy. and after the debate who did trump thank?

ramaswamy. he's hurting desantis. he's the guy who is trying to sort of drag desantis down and desantis is the only candidate they're worried about, the trump camp, which is why trump continues to attack him and send their surrogate out to attack him. >> we saw the most aggressive, combative mike pence i've ever seen. i wonder if you've seen that on the debate stage. guess who most of that was toward, vivek ramaswamy. that was interesting. >> yeah, i found that interesting as well. look, hey, i was proud of my former boss. it looks like he finally found his voice. he came out swinging and i think that's very unlike mike pence normally. he's a very nonconfrontational individual. i think he's going to need to maintain that level of sort of presence on stage and continue to push back on people. and i hope that he'll stay the course going forward. but like you said, he was pushing back on who, ramaswamy, which is interesting, right? for a while there, it was always

about desantis. desantis was, like, the second, you know, in command, waiting. and he's been sort of the second person in the polling. but it is interesting that really the attacks were directed at vivek, who i guess was, you know, seen as trump. but i would say this, the one thing i would caution about the counters on vivek is there was a lot of talk about his inexperience, inexperience on foreign policy, which i think nikki haley did a great job on, but the age thing i would take a pause on that because i want to remind people that gen z is a powerful voting bloc. i do believe that they will make a difference in the upcoming elections. and so just remember that those young voters are also listening to what you're saying. >> olivia troye, scott jennings, thank you. hard to believe it has been 60 years since that historic march on washington where dr. martin luther king jr. gave his "i have a dream" speech.

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monday will mark the 60th anniversary of the historic civil rights march on washington. 2 50,000 people from across the country flooded the streets, flooded the mall in washington to fight for jobs and freedom and help lead to new laws and including the civil rights act of 1964. the fight for equality is really

never over. cnn's jason carroll joins us now. i'm glad we're doing this. i'm glad you have done this. you spoke with some people who were there 60 years ago. >> let me explain. the theme this year is a commemoration, not a continuation. so it is to continue to push for civil rights. as you said, i did speak to two men who were there 60 years ago, spoke to them about the march. also spoke to them about where they saw the country then versus where it is now. >> freedom! >> reporter: it was a call for economic and racial equality, a call to action that brought more than 200,000 people to the national mall in washington, d.c. on august 28th, 60 years ago, a day best remembered for martin luther king jr.'s historic "i have a dream"

speech. >> now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. >> reporter: among the hundreds of thousands, two young activists who were filled with hope. >> i was all the way on the top. >> reporter: all the way on the top, over to the left. >> over to the left. >> reporter: cortland cox is now 82, but 60 years ago was a 22-year-old, working for the civil rights organization snick, the student nonviolent coordinating committee. >> what i remember is the platform is there in the center. >> reporter: edward flanagan was there too. where were you? >> i was sitting on the wall at the top there by the entertainers. >> reporter: flanagan is 80 now, but on the day of the march, he was a 20-year-old who had just finished his shift as a waiter, like scores of others he wanted to take a stand for civil rights. >> i was very close to joan baez, she was barefoot, and i

had a new pair of shoes. >> reporter: she was barefoot. >> she was barefoot. ♪ >> reporter: a march six decades ago, now seen through the eyes of two different men who shared the same goal many did that day. >> it was, in fact, a march for jobs and freedom. >> we succeeded in changing this country. >> reporter: as a young organizer, cox was responsible for arranging safe transportation for people making the trek from the south to washington, d.c. he says there were challenges from top to bottom, much had to be done in very little time. >> the challenge from the bottom was the logistics of getting people here. i'm trying to get trail ways, buses, trying to get greyhound buses and the drivers are saying, look, it is dangerous bringing people to the south. the challenge from the top was the kennedy administration was opposed to john lewis' speech. >> reporter: cox worked alongside then 23-year-old civil

rights activist john lewis, who was the chairman of snicc. this picture shows the two men as they rewrote the speech to tone it down, to make it less critical of the kennedy administration's civil rights bill, which they felt didn't go far enough to protect people from police brutality. >> john lewis, myself, were at the back of the lincoln memorial changing john lewis' speech to make sure while it was critical, it was not negative. >> reporter: that had to have been an incredible moment. >> yeah. what is more incredible to me is that john got up after all of that controversy and delivered a fantastic speech. >> it is true we support the administration's civil right bill, we support it with great reservation, however. >> i've never been here before. >> reporter: this week, flanagan brought his daughters back to the place history was made. he'll be back again saturday. >> that's where the entertainers were. >> reporter: cox prefers to stay

away this time, saying his marching days are behind him. both agree while much was accomplished that day, the work is not over. >> we are still while in a much better place than we were in '63, not in the place where one would expect 60 years on. >> we succeeded in doing a number of things. but what we did in the past, but we also know that we have to do much more for the future. >> of great concern to mr. cox and mr. flanagan is when they see the push to change how african american studies are taught in the united states. these are people who lived through lynchings, they lived through not having access to jobs or education. again, a reminder that this is a fight for them that is not over. >> these men are national treasures. i can only imagine the conversations you were afforded with them. and when we look, as they said, the school districts now are trying to rob students of learning about not only what these men fought against, but also in some cases these actual

events. >> right. and that's why there is this great concern not only about concerns about getting jobs in this current day and age, but also that much of what they went through is going to be a race. and they want to make sure that this is something that does not happen. >> told in the beautiful way you always do. really, truly, thank you for doing that. we appreciate it. former president trump's campaign has already fund-raised in unique ways off his booking and his mug shot last night. where will his new mug shot stack up, though, against some of the most famous in history?

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a stunning split screen. donald trump's official presidential picture and the mugshot from his arrest yesterday. he is the first former president to have his mugshot taken, begging the question, what will his legacy be and the legacy of had photo, right? he is hardly the first prominent figure in american history to have mugshot memorialized from martin luther king jr., rosa parks, john lewis, al capone, john gotti, lee harvey oswald, jeffrey ep sen, o.j. simpson, robert downey jr. tom is with us to walk us through the most noteworthy mugshots. this will be remembered. it's alongside others, too. >> it really is. and you pointed it out there very well. there are at least three categories of mugshots. there are the sure enough criminals, people we all know are there because of serious

crimes and get convicted of serious crimes and move on. then there are the celebrity mugshots that would come up, people who in some way or another stumbled no a run-in with the law, maybe public drunkenness, in the case of o.j. simpson, very serious charges. other charges out there. nick nolte, a drug abuse issue, which he said helped drive him into rehab to make things better for him. those often become lesser issues in a way, big celebrity causes but don't have a giant impact on the whole of society. and then those who are people who really have stood for some kind of giant moment in the rights of americans and the fight for rights and the fights for justice in this country. 100% donald trump and his followers want to see him as fitting into that category, standing up for something right. some supporters said -- some in his camp said when he had the mugshot taken he wanted to

appear defiant. i don't know if you see him as defiant. many people in this country, where he has always been a minority president, are going to say he doesn't look defiant to me. those are the three categories of people out there. with politicians, there have been others who had their photos taken like this before. john edwards. tom delay, rick perry, john edwards for using campaign funds to try to hide an illicit affair out there. so we have seen a lot of these before. they don't all mean the same thing. >> what's the history of the mugshot, tom? >> i think the history of the mugshot is very interesting. it goes fwook 1888. french. alphonse bertans who was a police officer. they had been taking photographs of people who they arrested, but they were taken from all kinds of ways. he thought, we should have a standardized way of doing it. this is him. the first mugshot was of him and

he was innocent. so we will see what happens as the trump mugshot plays out. he would like it to be triumph ept in the end. this is the first time we know it's been tied to the presidency and millions of times they have been tied to the penitentiary. >> tom foreman, thank you. more trump's 8 co-defendants turn themselves in overnight. still two more to turn themselves in by noon eastern the deadline. also this ahead. this is the moment that he saw his daughter after spending eight years in prison. a new unit fought to get his murder conviction vacated after new evidence came to light. >> do you think you'd still be in jail if it were not for the conviction integrity unit? >> yes, i i would still be fighting. iends.s. and chchecking voicemail...

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