oliver anthony, the singer of the breakout number one hit rich men north of richmond is responding to his song being used at the opening of the republican primary debate on wednesday night. >> it was funny seeing my song in the -- it was funny seeing it in the presidential debate. because it's like i wrote that song about those people. the first question at the debate, of course, was about how his song is striking a cord with americans. and any said it was aggravated, his quote. the republicans are trying to identify with him. he called out the left for also, in his words, trying to discredit him. he says the song is not about politics. he said it has nothing to do with joe biden, it's a lot bigger than that.

thank you so much for joining us. cnn "primetime" with abby phillips starts right now. >> that's a fascinating story. we'll have a little more discussion about that this hour. good evening everyone. welcome to "primetime." the first hearing in georgia's election case is going to get started. he and it could be a preview of what this whole trial might look like. plus the country singer to dethroned taylor swift on the charts. his song, "rich men north of richmond" was playing at the debate, which we were just discussing but there is more to the story than you might think.

>> and lebron james's son, bronny james, is recovering from a heart defect. we'll have much more on his condition tonight. first i want to begin with the latest moves in that georgia election case. here with me jessica schneider. jess, i want to start with you. the hearing expected on monday could be a big moment for this case that could set the course of what we might see going forward. what are we expecting exactly? >> it's going to be a really interesting hearing. it going to be quite lengthy. it will be the first test of this argument of potentially removing the case for certain individuals, certain defendants to federal court under this argument that they were acting as a federal official and that's why it should be removed to federal court. we've seen this argument from mark meadows, that's what the evidentiary hearing will be on monday.

we're also seeing the argument from jeffrey clark, from the justice department and most recently today three of these fake electors who basically said donald trump made me do it, i was acting in accordance with what he wanted so this should be removed as well. we already know that fani willis issued several subpoenas to two of the people on this call january 2nd, that now infamous call from donald trump to brad raffensperger. so the subpoenas are for these two people who were on the call in addition to the former chief investigator at the secretary of state's office. so there's going to be a lot of people taking the stand in this evidentiary hearing to determine was mark meadows acting in an official capacity here? >> so much of this evidence has been out there and it seems like a lot of the testimony, we kind of know what it goi's going to . what do you think of the significance being called in to

give this again? >> they really want to get behind the call. they want to see what propelled this call, what mark meadows' roll in this call was. brad raffensperger will be able to talk about how this call materialized, what happened maybe behind the scenes before and after. they're going to try to get to was this really an official role for mark meadows. again, it's going to be a tough argument to make. >> that is the central question. we've been talking to legal experts all week about this. it's trump potentially who could make this argument, meadows, who is making this argument and then you have someone like john eastman, who had a role in the government. but for mark meadows in particular, his role was not political, and is certainly wasn't -- the role of the white house chief of staff is not to do illegal things. how strong do you think this ends up being? >> it's mark meadows' burden to

prove he was acting in official duties and has a culpable defense. he's got an uphill battle. if i'm the prosecutors, i'm arguing your job is not to overturn the election and that's not part of the chief of staff's job responsibilities. i think we're going to see a battle. mark meadows is focusing on what he was told do as chief of staff and the fulton county d.a. saying you were looking for 11,800 votes. i think you'll see competing narratives here and as well as throughout the trial. >> let's just play that sound, you can never hear it enough. just the boldness of it. listen. >> look, all i want to do is this -- i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the

state. >> so at the end of the day that is the core, right, of the prosecutor's argument that trump was trying to ask them to do something that was basically illegal, and then you have all of these other people, several other co-defendants saying, you know, we want to move to federal court also because we were just doing what trump said. he's the president. he's the federal official. do you think those arguments will fly? >> you can't just blindly follow what a principal tells to you do. i think you're going to see comments and arguments from the prosecutor in that regard. i think it's important to go back to the point, the legal standard is you cannot do more than what was necessary and proper for to you do. they're going to say what was it necessary and proper for to you do to try to find those votes? i don't think that this argument is going to prevail. i think it's going to be a difficult, uphill battle. >> it's really interesting to even see this all unfolding, though, because this is showing

you how difficult this case is going to be. you have 19 defendants, including the former president, white house officials, former justice department officials. you're seeing sort of the unraveling and the likelihood we're actually going to see a trial, even though sydney powell and kenneth chesboro. >> sidney powell and john eastman, they save they want a speedy trial. they might get it. what do you think that might look like if they are being tried or tried together. >> it's their right to demand a speedy trial. if they go to trial earlier, i think that's going to be a benefit for the trump team, meadows team to see what is the evidence the prosecutors are putting forward, what is the theory and weaknesses on cross and game plan from seeing this evidence put forth.

>> it's your right to demand a speedy trial. it's always -- >> i was going to say a little bit calling the prosecutor's bluff here saying, okay, you ready? >> there's a mechanism for that to get their date. >> we'll see how that turns out. jessica and markus, thank you both very much. >> thank you. i want to now bring in former trump national security adviser and former u.s. ambassador, john bolton. thank you for being here tonight. mark meadows is now claiming that all of these actions that he took after the election, calling folks in georgia, et cetera, were all part of his official job. i wonder, do you think he is o overreaching here or does he have a chance in actually succeeding in making that argument and moving this case over to federal court? >> well, i think his argument is incorrect because the president, from whom meadows' authority derives, doesn't have any

supervisory power over state elections. trump as a presidential candidate certainly has an interest in it and meadows following his orders would do a lot of things in any presidential campaign as part of it, in this case allegedly including criminal activity. but there's a distinction between official duties or acting under official authority and doing things that you happen to do just because you're president or chief of staff or anything else. so i think it's a weak argument. but it is one that could appeal and for the particular kind of removal we're talking about, i think it's in trump's interest and therefore probably some of the other defendants to get the case removed because if fani willis, the prosecutor, doesn't like the outcome, my recollection is she's got -- that's an appealable order and she could take it up or if trump loses, he could take it up and thereby delaying the start of the case, at least with respect

to trump. >> yeah. one of the things, though, is that his lawyers right now are comparing this to al gore and al gore's chief of staff back in 2000. they're saying that as chief of staff, mark meadows can take all of these political actions and they're within the realm of what is acceptable for a white house chief of staff. do you think that that's a reasonable argument to make? >> they're confusing two separate things. the president has authorities and the president has also first amendment rights to campaign. what al gore did was as a candidate for president do what was permissible under florida law. the argument here is that trump, meadows and others went beyond what was permissible under stay law, but none of that -- nothing that al gore did in 2000 had anything to do with his vice presidential responsibilities and nothing that trump and meadows did here had anything to

do with their presidential responsibilities. it's like if trump would have robbed a bank while he was president, that's not part of his presidential responsibilities. that's what meadows' papers confuse here, i think. >> do you think that meadows is a ring leader in this whole scheme? and if he doesn't face consequences in the state of georgia or at the federal level, he wasn't charged in that federal case, do you think he should face consequences. >> i think we need to see more of what the facts are. i wouldn't be at all surprised from the testimony we've seen in the january 6th commission, from media reporting and my own experience in several administrations, if the chief of staff weren't heavily involved with the president on this, i don't know what else he would be involved with. >> we're learning today also that sydney powell is joining kenneth chesboro in looking for a speedy trial.

in a state of trial, they may get it. the judge has already set an october date. do you think they are rightfully trying to gain a tactical advantage ear here or is this a miscalculation? >> in federal rico cases they are often split up into smaller trials with individual defendants or groups of defendants so that doesn't strike me as terribly unusual. if i were in the position of being a defense counsel here, i would be thinking separating myself from the tar pit of meadows and giuliani might be to my advantage and to try to indicate differences between my positions, my interests, the defense i would like to make and that of trump and some of the others. they may be right, they may be wrong. a lot of people speculated that cheseboro's lawyer thought they

could bluff the georgia prosecutors into backing off. if that's what they thought, i think they're making a big mistake. i think this is going to have enormous consequences. >> what does it say to you that -- i mean, when you look at the list of defendants here, a lot of them are people who are not publicly known. some of them can't even afford attorneys. one of them was denied bail. what does it say to you, what these people could be facing six or seven figure legal bills with no help. >> well, i hope they don't get help from trump. one of the things that the federal prosecutors is looking at is whether trump has used attorney fees to induce others to testify falsely to grand juries and the rest of it. that explains the superseding indictment in this case. all of these people will be

allowed court-appointed attorneys and i think freeing them from the influence of trump could be significant, and i think that is something that perhaps induced the prosecutors in georgia to name 18 other co-defendants and 30 other unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators to help flip them around. i want to turn now to something separate, the situation in russia that's been unfolding this week as well, a huge stories. the putin ally, lukashenko, says he can imagine that vladimir putin was involved in the death in the plane crash. >> i think this is clear that putin is active and showing people in russia and in particular internationally that he is still in charge and that

openly opposing him carries obviously fatal consequences. there's been an argument ever since the prigozhin mutiny two months ago that putin is badly wounded, on his way out and even today the killing of putin -- i'm sorry, the killing of prigozhin indicates putin's weakness. i don't think. i don't see any other sign among his closest advisers that they broke with him. he surfaced some other opponents as a result of prigozhin's mutiny. they have been dismissed from the service. i don't think putin's back to where he was before the invasion in terms of russian domestic politics but i think having killed prigozhin, he is certainly stronger. >> we'll have much more on this later in the show. thank you, john bolton, for being with us tonight. >> well thanks for having me. and up next, so many defendants and so little time,

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calendar mean for trump and those co-defendants? left discuss. chris timmons is a former georgia prosecutor in dekalb county and along with ron brownstein and along with the senior editor of "the atlantic." take a look at the calendar of the court dates and the political events in the coming months. if you're feeling confused and overwhelmed, that's intentional because there's a lot of stuff on this calendar. tonight cnn's kristen holmes is saying they're going to see how to capitalize on it. dominating the attention in the race, that is a strategy. what impact do you think it will have on this race? >> it's obviously an unprecedented situation to have a candidate literally shuttling

between the courthouse and the campaign trail. you have to look at it on two tracks, the context of the republican nomination and trump has been successful in convincing voters the way he wants them to see it, as an attack on them and he's connected this to his core message from the outset in 2015 to his supporters that he the r victims are people like you, whites, christians, conservatives. it's possible all of this activity could eventually grind down his support, but i thought the most important moment by far in that debate was when six of the eight candidates raised their hands and said they would vote for him even if he was convicted. the message to republican voters is if this is not disqualifying for us, why should it be disqualifying for you? while all this is true in the republican context, there are lots of yellow lights on the

dash board of what this might mean in the general election, the majority of independents saying he should not serve as president again if he is convicted of a crime. >> there are a lot of flashing lights from a legal perspective. tim, when i look at this, i see trump trying to basically have a 4-0 record on four separate cases, two of them in state jurisdictions. that seems pretty risky to me. is there a strategy here that would say maybe try to get one of these cases off his plate, settle in some way on something that carries a lesser penalty so that there isn't a huge risk that he might lose on one of them and face real consequences? >> i think that would be too risky frankly. i think if i'm president trump here, the goal will be delay, delay, delay. i think that's exactly what he's

going to do. he's going to find any way to take these cases out of the calendar year and push it to the election. frankly, i think the case in new york, i would expect that's going to get pushed. i think the hush money case, even dave bragg has suggested he's willing to move that later. that case is the least important of the four. i think judge khanna seems not quite inclined to move them forward and the document case may have issues. if a judge is not redityady to a case, it's not ready to go. i think we can look forward to monday and see the date judge chutkan sets. if it's perhaps january, february or march, if she sets that date, it's likely we'll see president trump on trial next year. >> so, chris, sydney powell down

in georgia, she joined kenneth chesebro saying she wants a speedy trial and she may get it. less wrenn to what a former trump lawyer, ty cobb, just said a little while ago on cnn. >> now, i'm not sure i agree with that but, you know, it is a strategic move and i admire those. but now he's in a situation where he may have to go to trial with sydney powell, which i have to say of all the defendants in this entire case is the last person i would want to be alone in a courtroom with if i was another defendant. because, you know, everything -- the problem she has is everything that she did was a lie. >> to be fair, i think a lot of them have that problem about the lies. but, i mean, yeah, what do you think? i mean, going together in a trial with sidney powell, does

that help or hurt cheesesebro? >> i don't think it matters. in a rico case you are basically charged in all of the acts in furtherance of the conspiracy. even if powell goes with him, we're going to see all of the entire acts in this conspiracy trial in the fulton county court. even if donald trump is not physically present, allegedly we'll see evidence of that when this case goes to trial, regardless if he's sitting at that defendant's table and regardless of how many are with him. >> do you see any way that these legal cases and maybe the trials, maybe the pretrial motions, maybe the evidence that comes out of other people's trials helps add to his vote total from 2020, which is basically what he would do in order to win or is he relying on just depressed support for president biden? >> that really is the key point. as we said, in the republican

context, so far this is benefiting him, in part because the other candidates have failed to try to use what should be a pretty powerful cudgel against him and in effect have given voters a permission slip to discount it after raising their hands and saying they would discount it if they vote for him. when you look out it the general election, there's a lot of hesitation from voters for giving joe biden four more years and a lot of voters think he's too old to do this job into his mid 80s. all of that is keeping the horse race polls between trump and biden. but underneath those numbers, the general election reaction to trump i think should be worrying the republicans in that we consistently see a majority of the defendants saying he did commit a crime, a majority saying his actions after the election threatened american democracy, the majority saying

he should not be president again if he is convicted of a crime. and, you know, as you point out, he is the one who finished 7 million votes short. and several things have happened since then. january 6th has happened. the supreme court has overturned roe and now we have the four unprecedented indictments. and whether any of that allows him to expand his coalition, particularly in michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, arizona and georgia, the states that will decide the winner in all likelihood in 2024 is highly questionable. >> we will find out but it certainly does not seem there is anything additive there at all. tim, chris and ron, thank you all very much. >> thank you. and up next for us, he sings the instant hit song richmond north of richmond and high has a message for conservatives trying to make this song their own. ♪ so i can sit out t here ♪

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weeks after being released on youtube. some are conservativesl listeners. it even got a mention at this week's presidential debate. >> his lyrics speak of alienation, with deep frustration with the state of government and of this country. washington, d.c. is about 100 miles north of richmond. ♪ total control, want know what you think ♪ ♪ want to know what you do and i don't think you know ♪ ♪ but i know that you do ♪ >> but in a new video statement, anthony made it clear that he was not a fan of his song being used in a political context. >> it was funny seeing it at the presidential debate. because it's like i wrote that song about those people, you know. so for them to have to sit there

and listen to that, that cracks me up. but it was funny kind of seeing the response to it. that song has nothing to do with joe biden, you know? it's a lot bigger than joe biden. it's aggravating seeing people on conservative news try and identify with me like i'm one of them. >> we should note that the debate moderator said they did track him down and got permission to use the song about two days before the debate. for more, i want to bring in senior advisor to hillary clinton, along with republican strategies rina shaw. it is a nfascinating turn aroun here. that song has been taken over frankly by partisans but the guy who wrote it says it's not that simple. >> it's unsurprising it would catch fire like this because we're in the era of grievance

politics. it completely lines up with what we saw performatively and it's a lot of politicians and fatcats and comes likely from vivek ramaswamy. i could see that resonating with a big chunk of people out there. >> i don't get to comment on country music. i grew up in the bronx in new york. >> we're totally off the topic. as rina is saying, the kind of synergy here between what anthony oliver is saying in the song and what vivek ramaswamy is trying to tap into, which is people who are somewhere in that mushy middle. they don't want to fit into either political category and it

see seems to be working really well for him. if you look at republican voters asked in a "washington post" pole, they say that ramaswamy was right up there with ron desantis as one of the winners of this debate. why do you think he is tapping into something in republican politics right now? >> you know, it's a little hard to say but i would start here. mike tyson had a saying when he was asked if he was worried about his opponent's plan that everyone has a plan until they're punched in the face. meaning once your strategy, the rubber hits the road, it might not stick. ammism getting that right? his strategy seems to have been to punch everyone else in the face, which is strange because he's trying to be a disrupter, he's trying to be the outsider, he's trying to get in everyone's face as if the republican party doesn't have that anymore but they've got donald trump. so unlike other gad flies in the

past who were looking at the top, the people ahead of them in the polls and the president and saying they wouldn't be good, listen to what he said himself. he said that donald trump was the best president of the 21st century. so exactly why is he running? >> maybe he's counting on one of these cases taking trump out of the race. who knows. one of the other things that strikes me, i've interviewed ramaswamy on this program before. he has a lot of ideas and some are very outlandish. a guest told "the washington post" said he shows no thought, research or feasibility behind it. one of the ideas is disenfranchising anyone under the age of 24 unless they pass what test. >> some of the ideas are very palatable and they seem really face, they're fresh and they're

intriguing. i think what he wants most is donald trump to drop out so he can come in and clinch this thing in a way desesantis hasn' been able to temperature ramaswamy to me is trying to be trump 2.0. a few of the comments are think are extremely disqualifying and show everybody, naikki haley wh said we all want one thing in common, and vivek ramaswamy is missing that. he says i'm going to go to the center and grab the mothers too. putin, climate change, those areas he's in trouble. >> he walked back the things he got in trouble on the debate

stage for this proposal to defund israel to some extent. he walked that back at a campaign stop today. i think we're going to increasingly see that. this is not the first time that we've seen candidates like ramaswamy, outsiders who are coming up with outlandish ideas, what was it 9, 9, 9, do you remember that? >> herman cain. >> we pulled the numbers looking back at previous cycles here. back in 2007, mike huckabee hit 21%. he was in the lead. herman cain in november of 2011 hit 18% in the lead. ben carson hit 21% in 2015, very near the lead at that point in the race. this happens, especially in republican politics but it happened. >> can you can president howard dean or president rudy giuliani how enduring those number are early in the primaries. what he did the other night was basically by throwing punches

everywhere, you could see who was able to take them and who was not. i was very surprised to see that chris christie had a glass jaw but former governor haley, very surprising. nikki haley actually demolished him. in a way, he took them all out for a spin, in a way had they not been standing out there without donald trump. >> i agree. i was expecting chris christie to be able to land his punches and he department nail any of them. >> and i think this is why debates matter. they matter for the people who win but also people getting that batting practice. >> we're in grievance politics but we're also in the era of won't back down poll six and vivek ramaswamy knows that and he's not going to change his tune any time soon. >> you can say whatever you want. there are no consequences. seriously. it makes it a lot easier to debate. >> at this stage in the date,

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narrator: california's community schools: reimagining public education. we now know what caused bronny james, the son of nba superstar lebron james, to suffer a cardiac arrest during basketball practice at the university of california last month. in a statement his family says it stems from a congenital heart defect, which can and will be treated. they say they're confident he'll make a full recovery and will return to basketball in the near future. so let's talk about it with rachel nichols, host of "head

liners" on showtime and cnn medical analyst dr. jonathan reiner. doctor, i want to start with you on this very significant revelation here. what does this diagnosis of a congenital heart defect mean? >> well, it's a pretty broad category. in bronny's age group, 18 years old, the overwhelmingly most likely diagnosis is a congenital thickening of the heart muscle with also an abnormal architecture of the heart muscle that predisposes the heart to a potentially devastating heart rhythm, which apparently bronny had last month when he collapsed during a game. other possibilities include

anomalies of the coronary arteries. years ago a famous ball players named pistol pete maravich died a few years after retiring from the nba. turns out he had a single coronary artery, an unusual abnormality and these kinds of things can be found in young athletes who have these kind of arrests. we don't know which particular disorder he has, but it's encouraging that the family believes that there's a treatment that not only will help him return to basketball but which will prevent a subsequent event from occurring. >> yeah. it is interesting that they said that they feel pretty confident about that. i mean, rachel, how is the sports world reacting to this tonight? there are pretty high hopes for bronny from his father perhaps most of all. >> look, the good thing is they've identified this, they clearly know how to treat it and people who have been around

sports a long time know congenital heart defects do not stop athletes from playing sports. u.s. soccer player lauren holiday had a congenital heart defect. a lot of players have overcome this. it's perfectly reasonable for lebron, for bronny, the entire family to expect he will get back to the court. and teddy bruschi has also had it. almost a year to the day that bronny james collapsed, a year earlier, one of his teammates at usc had collapsed from a cardiac arrest and came back to play in the middle of last season. i do want to tell you this, though. i think because bronny has been thinking about basketball and i can tell you personally loves basketball, i think it is great news for him and his family that

he is able to come back and play, but i will say that this is not a kid mwho needs to play basketball. obviously he'll have a terrific life if he never steps on the court again and he as a family who feels very strongly if he was in any serious danger, they would never let him pick up a basketball again so you can be confident this is the right decision. >> for sure. he certainly doesn't have to do this. but doctor reiner, as rachel just laid out, there are so many examples of this. but as a doctor, how do you determine how quickly someone can recover, perhaps get back on the court and what will factor into the probability that this will happen for bronny? >> so i think what's going to dictate how quickly he can get back on the court is really two things -- how effectively the treatment can prevent this from

happening again and the morbidity, how innovating is the treatment. if a non-invasive therapy or series of drugs can prevent this, he might get back on the court very quickly. if he requires open heart surgery, it might be much later in the season or next season. so the devil is in the details. i think the positive message is that they understand what happened to bronny and that's key. you can't treat something that you haven't identified. and they feel they have a good treatment plan going forward. they've discussed who they've met with and they've met with some of the best people in the country, so i'm confident that the diagnosis that they have arrived at has been done with a very thorough and careful analysis. >> yeah. rachel, we have about a month left. bronny was projected to be a first round pick in next summer's nba draft. what do you think happens next? >> well, look, what i hope is

this has ripples throughout the sports world. these kinds of cardiac arrests are the leading cause of death in young athletes. it's very significant that this has happened in front of the world stage, first to demar hamelin and then with bronny james in getting people to pay attention to this. in fact, we've seen some legislative on the heels of all of this. less than half the states require defibrillators to be at high school sporting events, despite it's young athletes affected the most. the idea we can see that legislation change in pennsylvania, there's been a law introduced by a state senator that quickly became known as in pennsylvania. i think we will see more of that and if this very scary incident can lead to greater protections for greater young men and women, that's an amazing, amazing future. >> it could save a lot of lives.

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