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>> oliver anthony, the singer of the breakout number one hit, richmond north of richmond is responding to his songs being used at the opening of the republican primary debate on wednesday night. >> it was funny sing my song ã ãit was funny seeing the presidential debate. because it's like i wrote that song about those people. >> thehe first question at the debate of course was about how his song is s stricking accord with americans . anthony said that it's aggravating g his quote, the republicans are trying to identify with him because the left and also in his word trying to discredit him. he says the song is not about

politics.he says it has nothing do with joe biden. it's a lot bigger than that. take as much for joining us. cnn prime time with abby phillips starts right now. >> it's a fantastic story and we will have a little more discussion about that this hour caitlin. thank you very much. good evening everyone. i'm abbeville. welcome to cnn prime time. this is just the beginning. on monday, the very first big hearing in george's election interference case will get started. mark meadows is first. he will be up first to convince a judge to move his case in the federal court arguing that he was just doing his job as then president trump's chief of staff. it could be a preview of what this whole trial might look like. plus the country singer, who dethroned taylor swift on the charts with a boost from conservatives like marjorie taylor green. his song, richmond, north of

richmond was laying at this week's debate as we were discussing. there's more to this story than you might think. and ronnie james, the older son of the nba superstar, lebron james is now expected to be making a full recovery after suffering a cardiac arrest last month. it stemmed we are learning from a congenital heart defect. the family spokesman says he will return to basketball in the very near future and will have much more on this condition tonight. first only begin with the latest news in that latest georgia election case here with me in studio cnn justice correspondent discussed letter in january 6 investigative counsel, marcus childress. just a monster with you, meadows hearing that i'm expecting on monday could be a big moment for this case that could set the course for what we might see going forward. what are we expecting exactly? >> it's can be really interesting hearing abby. to be quite lengthy and this really will be the first test of this argument of potentially

removing the case for certain individuals and certain defendants.to federal court on this argument that they were acting as a federal official and that's why it should be removed to federal court. we seen this argument from mark meadows. that's with the evidence your hearing on monday. we are also seeing the argument justice department.from the and most recently da three basically said donald trump o made me do it. i was acting in accordance with what he wanted. therefore ããhe should be forward as well for this is to me lengthy hearing. i know fun this has issued several subpoenas that have been issued to the people that were on this call for january 2. now infamous call from donald trump. two brad ravens burger.the subpoenas are for these two people that were on the call in addition to the former chief investigator at the secretary of state's office. to this can be a lot of people taking the stand in this

evidentiary hearing to determine was mark meadows really acting in an official capacity here? it's a tough crime. >> much of this evidence including the call the reference has been out there and it seems like a lot of the testimony we kind of know is what it's gonna say. what is the significant of them actually being called in to sort of give this again?>> they really want to get behind the call. they really want to see what propelled this call. what mark meadows role in this call was. read ravens burger was also called and will be there to testify monday. he will really be able to talk about how this call materialize. what if you had happened behind the scenes before and after. they're gonna try and get to was this really an official role from mark meadows? again, can be a tough argument to make. >> and that's the central question. we've been talking to legal experts all week about this. it's trump potentially, who can make this argument. meadows was making this argument and then you have someone like john eastman, who had a role in the governnt.

but for mark meadows in particular, his role was not political and it certainly ãã the role of the white house chief of staff is to not do illegal things. owner how strong this argument actually ended up being. >> gift establishes mark meadows burden to prove, right? is acting as his official duties and his official call to defense. i think he's an uphill battle here, recommend he's going to harp on he was just scheduling the meeting. wisconsin second secretary on behalf of the president for this was just his job. among the prosecutors, your job is not to overturn the election, right? in that spot part of the chief of staff's department responsibility. i think you're getting here battle of narratives in this hearing. mark meadows was focusing on what he was told to do as chief of staff and schedule focal meetings. diego said you were looking for 11,887 votes. throughout the motions hearing as well as the trial. >> i think we can never really ããlet's just play that sound because you can really hear it

enough. just the boldness of it. listen. >> so ããlook. the goal i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes. which is one more than we have. because we want the state. >> is at the end of the day, that is the core, right? of the prosecutor's argument. the trump was trying to ask them to do something that was basically illegal. and that you have all these other people. several other call defendants saying you note ããwe want to move to federal court. also because we were just doing what trump said. he's the president.he's a federal official. i think those arguments will fly? >> you cannot just blindly follow whatever principle tells you to what to do. you're gonna see common arguments from the prosecutor in that regard. i think it's important to go back to the point that legal standard you cannot do more than what was necessary and proper for you to do this call to the defense in the supremacy call because and you're gonna see what was necessary for you to do to try and find those

votes. i don't think that this argument is going to prevail. i think it's can be a difficult uphill battle pick. >> it's really interesting to see all this unfolding though because this is showing you how difficult this case is going to be. you have 19 defendants including the former president peered white house officials, just as former justice department officials. using sort of the unraveling and the likelihood that we are asked to go see a trial even though sidney powell and kenneth chesebro want to go to trial soon. it's can be difficult to actually get there.>> unraveling is really a perfect word to describe what's happening here. the splintering of this group is gonna be really interesting and as justice was saying, sidney powell and john eastman ããthey say they want a speedy trial. they might get it. we think that might look like if they are in tried and perhaps being tried together? >> it's can be a benefit for those who do later, right? it's the right to demand free

trial. there the defendants were being charged. so they go to trial earlier? it's can be a benefit for the trump team and meadows team and others to see paired with the evidence the persecutors putting forth? what's the theory? what are the witnesses and weaknesses on cross and then getting a game plan to actually see this evidence put forward? it's your right to demand a speedy trial and prosecutor's was your biggest fears prosecutor to have a trial started against you. >> a call on the prosecutors block here. a ready? let's have this over two months. >> georgia law before they did this because there's a mechanism for that to get that date. >> absolutely pick. >> we will see how that turns out for schneider and marcus childress, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> on and bring in former trump national security advisor informing bassett or, john bolton. investor bolton, thank you for being here tonight. mark meadows is now claiming that all of these actions that he took after the election,

calling folks in georgia, etc. were all part of his official job. i wonder, did the keys overreaching here or does he have a chance of actually succeeding and making the argument in moving this case over to federal court? >> well, i think his argument is incorrect. because the president from whom meadows authority drives doesn't have any supervisory power over state elections. trump, as a presidential candidate certainly has an interest in and meadows following his orders would do a lot of things in any presidential campaign as part of in this case. allegedly including criminal activity. but there's a distinction between official duties or acting under official authority.and doing things that you have been to do just because your president or chief of staff or anything else. so i think it's a weak argument. but it is one that could appeal and for the particular kind of removal, we are talking about, i think it's in trump's interest and therefore, probably some of the other defendants to get the case removed because if feigning

also willis, the prosecutor doesn't like the outcome ããmy recollection is that that's an appealable order and she can take up. or trump loses, he can take it up and thereby, delaying the start of the case at least in respect to trump. >> one of the things the is that his lawyers right now are comparing this to al gore and al gore's chief of staff back in 2000.they are saying as chief of staff, mark meadows can take all of these political actions and within the realm of what is acceptable for white house chief of staff. you think that that is a reasonable argument to make? >> they are confusing two separate things. the president has authorities and the president also has first amendment rights to campaign.what al gore did was as a candidate for president, do what was permissible under florida law. the argument here is that trump, meadows, and others went beyond what was permissible. under state law. but under that ããnothing al gore did in 2000 had anything to do with his vice

presidential responsibility's and nothing that trump and meadows did hear had anything to do with presidential responsibilities. if trump were to have robbed the bank not he's president, that's not part of his presidential responsibility spirit and that's what meadows papers confuse here think.>> you think that meadows is a ringleader in this whole scheme? and if he doesn't face consequences in the state of georgia or at the federal level, he wasn't charged in that federal case? you think that he should face consequences? >> i think we need to see more of what the facts are. i would not be at all surprised from the testimony we've seen in the january 6 commission from media reporting. and from my own experience in several administrations, if the chief of staff were heavily involved with the president on this. i don't know what else he would be involved in. >> we are learning today also that sidney powell is joining kenneth chesebro in looking for a speedy trial and in the state

of georgia, they may very well get it. the judge is artie set in october date for chesebro. do you think that they are rightfully trying to gain a tactical advantage here? or is this a miscalculation? >> well, look. i think at least in federal rico cases there ããthey are often split up into the smaller trials with defendants or groups of defendants. that does not strike me as terribly unusual. if i were in position of being in a defense counsel here, i would be thinking separating myself from the la brea tar pit of the trial trump and meadows and giuliani. might be to my advantage. and try to indicate differences between my position, my interest in the defense i would like to make and that of trump and some of the others.they may be right and the may be wrong. a lot of people speculated that

chesebro's lawyer and now powell's lawyer are thought that they could bluff the georgia prosecutors and into backing off. if that's what they thought, think they were making a big mistake. i think this is gonna have enormous consequences. >> yes. what does it say to you ãã when you look at that the list of dependent defendants here, a lot of people are not publicly known.a lot of them cannot even afford attorneys. one of them was denied bail. do you ããwhat does it say to you that all these people could be facing these six or even seven-figure legal bills with no help from former president trump that we know of? >> well ããi hope they don't get help from trump. i think one of the things that certainly the federal prosecutors are looking at is whether trump has used the provision of attorney's fees. to induce witnesses to testify

falsely to grand juries and the rest of it. that explains the superseding indictment in the classified documents case. all of these people will be entitled to court appointed attorneys and i think frank them from this influence of trump could be significant. and i think that is something that perhaps induced the prosecutors in georgia to name 18 other codefendants and 30 other unnamed unindicted co-conspirators help flip them around. >> i want to turn now to something separate.this is the situation in russia that's been unfolding as well. a huge story. the prudent ally. lucas janco of belarus said he could not imagine in the death of you give me per goshen in the plane crash but we think? do you believe that bruten was not involved in this? >> some people believe in magic. i believe it's clear that this is prudent acting and showing people in russia in particular and inin internationally that h is still in charge and that he openly opposing him carries

fatal consequences. there's been an argument ever since the per goshen mutiny two months ago that bruten is badly wounded politically that he's on his way out that even today that the killing of prudent destinations are, the killing of per goshen indicates prudent weakness. i don't think so. the russian people have historically look for strong leaders. he is showing his as strong as they come. i don't see any other sign among his closest advisors that they broke with. they surfaced some other products as a result of progressions mutiny. they've been dismissed from the service. i don't think bruten is back to where he's been before the invasion in terms of russian domestic politics. i think having killed per goshen, he's certainly

stronger. >> yes, we will have much more on this later up in the show. but thank you john bolton for being with us today. >> thanks for having me. >> up next, somebody defendants and so little time.the calendar collision course that is ahead and all this. and who could have the most incentive to flee. [music] (♪) rsv can be a dangerous virus... [sneeze] ...for those 60 and older. it's not just a cold. and if you're 60 or older... ...you may be at increased risk of hospitalization...

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mid-september. so what's this turbocharged calendar mean for trump and this codefendants? let's discuss with former january 6 committee lawyer, to the bio on ganga williams. chris timmons, who is a former georgia prosecutor and to call and cobb counties. along with ron brownstein, our senior political analyst and editor of the atlantic. ron, or start withth you. stick a look here. at the calendar of the court dates. and the political events. in the coming months. and if you're feeling confus and overwhelmed ããthat's intentional because there's a lot of stuff in this calendar and tonight in cnn kristin holmes is reporting that trump advisors are discussing on how to capitalize on it. politically speaking using the media coverage of the trials and the potential trials to dominate attention in the race. that is a strategy. what impact do you think it will have on this race?

>> it's an unprecedented situation to have a candidate literally shuttling between the courthouse and the campaign trail.i just have to look at this on two tracks in the context of the republican nomination fight. trump is clearly been successful in convincing most republican voters seeing all these indictments the way that he wants them to see it. i think in many ways is connected this to his core message from the outside of 2015 to his supporters. the against the real victims of bias and diversifying americans are people like you. whites, christians, and conservatives. within the context of republican primary, it's possible. all this activity could eventually grind down his support. but i think the most important moment by far and that debate was when six of the eight candidates raise their hand and said they would vote for him. even if he is convicted with

the message they're sending republican voters is saying this is not disqualified for us but what should being disqualifying for you? i would say finally, while all this is true the republican context, there are lots of yellow lights on the dashboard about this might mean in the general election with majorities of independence consistently saying including 2ä and all this week saying that he should not serve as president again if he is convicted of a crime. >> yes. i would look ããthere lots of flashing lights. not just from a political perspective. but also from a legal perspective. to beguile, when i look at this, i basically see trump trying to have 40 record on four separate cases. two of them in state jurisdictions. that seems pretty risky to me. i mean, is there a strategy here that would say maybe try to get one of these cases off his plate settled in some way? on something that carries a lesser penalty so that there isn't a huge risk that he might lose on one of them and face

real consequences? >> i think that would be too risky y frankly. i think if you find transit president trump here, the goal would be delay, delay, dilapidated that's exactly what he's gonna do. he's gonna find any way to take these cases out of this next calendar year and to push it at the election. i think that is his strongest angle here. frankly, i think the case in new york ããi would expect thatat this could get pushed. i think the hussman case even dave bragg has suggested that he's willing to move that later. that case is think the least important of the four. i think judge cannon seems not quite inclined to move these cases forward and i think documents it case even though it's the most streamlined case. also may have issues because of the judge is not ready to push it case, the case is not going to go.o. right? i do thinks jack smith's case in dc is likely the case and i think we can look forward to monday and the date that the judge sets and she said to date, which i expect is can be closer to jackson the next day, oror february march, just that

date. i think it's likely we will see president trump on trial next year . >> yes. so ããchris, sidney powell down in georgia, she joined kent chesebro saying that she wants a speedy trial. she may very well get it. but listen to a former trump lawyer, tai cobb said a little while ago on cnn. >> now ããa measure i agree with that. but you know ããit's ããit is a strategic move and i admire those. but now he's in a situation where he might have to go to trial with sidney powell, which i to say of all the defendants in this entire case is the last person i would want to be alone and with the courtroom with thousand of the defendant. because you know ããthe problem she has is everything that she did was a lie. >> to be fair, i think a lot of them have that problem about the lies. but yes. would you think? going together in a trial with sidney powell ããdoes that help or help chesebro?

>> i don't think it really matters abby. in a rico case ããyou are basically charged with all the acts and furtherance of the conspiracy. so i think even if chesebro even if sidney powell goes with them ããwe're going to see all of the entire acts in this conspiracy trial in the fulton county court. even if donald trump does not physically present, all the acts he committed furtherance in this conspiracy allegedly, we're gonna see evidence of that when this goes into trial regardless of the sitting at the counsel table and regardless of how the defendants are with them. >> so yes, ron, and the clinical side, this obvious fund raising benefits for trump in touting all these cases. but do you see any way that

these legal cases and maybe the trials and maybe their pretrial motions and evidence that comes out of other people's trials helps add to his vote total from 2020? which is basically what he would need to do to win or is he relying on just depressed support for president biden? ask that really is the key point. as we said, and republican context, so far ãis this benefiting him in part because the other candidates have failed to try and use what should be a pretty powerful cudgel against him and have been in effect giving voters a permission slip to discount after raising their hands and saying that they've discounted themselves and but for him even if he was convicted. really kind of an extraordinary moment. but when you look out to the general election ããyou know, there's a lot of hesitation among voters about getting joe biden four more years and there's a lot of discontent about the economy. and there's a lot of voters who think that he is too old to do this job. into his mid 80s.

all the abby is keeping the horserace polls quite close between them. between trump and biden and underneath those numbers the general election reaction for trump ããi think is and should be worrying the republicans. that we consistently see a majority of independent saying that he committed a trend. a majority of them saying his actions after election earned american democracy and majorities saying that he should not be president again. is convicted of a crime. and as we point out he is the one that finished at that million votes short. several things have happened since then. january 6 has happened with the supreme court overturned roe and every of these four unprecedented indictments and whether any of that allows him to expand his coalition, particularly in wisconsin, arizona, georgia, states that ds owill decide the winner in a likelihood of 2024and .that see highly an questionable. >> yes, we will find out. but it certainly doesn't seem like there is an is anything additive here. to beguile chris and ron, thank

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>> oliver anthony rich man north of richmond is now a huge hit. it's top the billboard top 100 just weeks after it was released on youtube and some of its biggest fans are conservative listeners. the song even got mention at this week's presidential debate. >> 'slyrics speak of alienation, of deep frustration with the state of government and of this country. washington dc is about 100 miles north of richmond.♪ ♪ >> rich man, lord knows all ♪ ♪ us just want to have total ♪ ♪ control.♪ ♪ we want to know what you ♪

♪ think.♪ ♪ we want to know what you do.♪ ♪ and i don't think you know ♪ ♪ and i know that you do. >> but in a new video statement, anthony made it clear that he was not a fan of the song being used in a political context. >> so governor desantis. >> it's funny seeing the presidential debate. because it's like i wrote that song about those people. you know? so the sit there and have them to listen to that, that cracks me up. [laughter] but it's funny kind of seeing the response to it. that song has nothing to do with joe biden. you know? it's a lot bigger than joe biden. it's aggravating seeing people on conservative news try to identify with me. like i'm one of them. >> we should note that the debate moderator told politico that they did track anthony and head of the debate and guys permission to use the sunday

they got about two days before the debate and for more of this, i want to bring and senior advisor, hillary clinton, former state department official [indiscernible] with rena shop. rena, it's really a fascinating turnaround here. that song has just been taken over by frankly ããpartisans. but the guy who wrote it says it's not that simple. >> it's unsurprising that it would catch fire like this because we are in the era of grievance politics. his completely lines up with a lot of what we saw performative lay on stage in milwaukee. it's talk of how washington doesn't serve anyone. and it's a lot of politicians and fatcats. not doing the work of the people. that's likely to become and mostly from the vet [indiscernible] and he was calling at the people around him. select song, calling out people here in the city saying they don't belong here and there unlike you and me, i could see

that resonating with a great chuckle people out there. >> so you bring up ramaswamy. so we will get to that. this is a relief. >> i don't get the comment on country music. i grew up in the bronx new york. >> we are moving not totally off-topic. i do think that as rena is saying that the kind of synergy here between what anthony oliver is saying in the song and what [indiscernible] ] is trying to tap into is that people who were inside that moshe metal and that ought to fit into either political category and it seems be working really well for him. if you look at republican voters, who were asked in the washington post poll, they say ramaswamy was right up there with ron desantis as one of the winners of this debate. why do youou think that he is really tapping into something in republican politics right now. >> i would say it's really hard to say.mike tyson had a saying when he was asked if he was worrying about his

opponents plan the everybody has a plan until they are punched in the face. many once you actually in your strategy and it hits the road, it might not stick. my saying that right? i would say fast ãthat's okay. his strategy seems to have been to quench everybody else in the face, which is strange because he's trying to be a disruptor. he's trying to be the outsider. he's trying to get in everybody's face. as if the republican party doesn't have it anymore. but they've got donald trump. so unlike other flies in the past who are looking at the top of people ahead of them in the polls and the president sank that they would not be good, listen to what he said to himself. he said donald trump was the best president of the 21st century. >> may be why is he runni? discounted. >> may be skimping on thes cases taking trump out of the race. i mean who knows.

one of the other things that strikes me as i've interview vivek ramaswamy on this program before. he has a lot of ideas and some of them are very outlandish and here's what one republican policy analyst told the washington post but he doesn't seem to have done his homework and any policy issue. he comes up with these half-baked ideas that sound great to conservative audiences but shows no thought research or feasibility behind it. i mean ããsome of the ideas and one of them is basically disenfranchising anybody under the age of 24 unless they pass a test. >> on their faith, so the ideas are very palatable and they seem really frustrated and the get people thinking. they are intriguing. i think what he wants most is donald trump to drop out. so they can come in and. >> this thing in a way that desantis has not been able to put desantis has been given this with what seems a finite period of time to say that i can do this. i can step up and be trump. vivek ramaswamy to me is trying to be trump to point out in a way that he could never

achieve. few of these comments he's made i think are extremely disqualified and show everybody that nikki haley most of all, why think it is performance thatat really appealed to the general population saying that we all have one thing in common. we want joe biden and kemal harris out of the white house. and vivek ramaswamy is missing the mark on that. he's goingng straight in to get magna and then he's gonna come to the center and grab those moderates too. and then hey, everything else something is going to be palatable by then. no, no, body. 9/11, pudding, and climate change, those three areas, he's in trouble and he's in hot water. >> takes he walked back one of his things that he got the trouble on on the debate stage iv. this proposal to sort of defined israel to some extent. he walked up back in a campaign stop today. so i think we're going to increasingly see that. but this is not the first time we've seen candidates ke vivek ramaswamy and outsiders werere coming up with u know, outlandish ideas but what is it

nine, nine, nine? remember that? we pulled the numbers and we look at some previous cycles here. back in 2007, mike huckabee hit 21 percent that he was in the lead.herman cain and november 2011 to 18 percent. in the lead, ben carson hit 21 percent in 2015. very near the lead at that point in the race. this happens. especially in republican politics. what happens per. >> you can ask president howard dean and rudy giuliani and during those numbers early in the primaries. what he's doing though is actually helpful to the primary focus. what he did the other night was basically again, by throwing punches s everywhere, you could see who was able to take him and who is not. i i was very surprised to see chris christie had a glass jar when it t came to it. former government haley, nikki haley really actually just demolished him. in a way, he took the role out for a spin in a way that had just been standing there without him or donald trump. >> i agree because i was expecting chris christie to land his punches and he was

unable to land any of them. meanwhile, nikki haley brought the person she was 10 years ago. that was the nikki haley i love the decade ago. >> and i think [indiscernible] was one who did both. >> i think this is why these debates matter. quarter quote for those who when and getting that batting practice as well per. >> also abby, we're in grievance politics, but also in the arab won't back down politics. i i think vivek ramaswamy knows that and he's not and changes tune. >> whatever your vagrant, or whatever he does now. you can save everyone. there are no consequences to him. seriously, it makes it a lot easier to debate. >> the really are not any consequences per. >> exit would've i wanted right now not be a lot easier sitting here for that? >> as cadet.thank you rena and thank you both very much. have a good weekend guys. up ahead for us, and be a superstar, lebron james says he knows now what caused his 18-year-old son, th running to suffered cardiac arrest during the basketball practice at usc

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>> i'm paul reed and this is cnn. >> we now know what caused ronn james, the son of nba superstar, lebron james to suffered cardiac arrest during basketball practice at the university of california last month. in a statement, his family says it stems from a congenital heart defect, which can and will be treated. and they say they are confident that he will make a full recovery and will return to basketball in the near future. so let's talk about it with rachel nichols, host of headliners with rachel nichols. on showtime. and also cnn medical analyst, doctor jonathan reiner. the director of the cardiac catheterization program at george washington university hospital. doctor reiner, i want to start with you on this. i think very significant revelation here. what does this diagnosis of lady chat congenital heart

defect mean? >> it's a pretty broad category in ronnie's age group.18 years old with the overwhelmingly most likely diagnosis remains something called hypertrophic myopathy. which is a congenital thickening of the heart muscle with abnormal architecture of the heart muscle that predisposes the heart to potentially devastating heart rhythm, which apparently ronnie had last month when he was collapsed during a game. other possibilities include anomalies of the coronary arteries. years ago. a famous ballplayer named pistol pete maravich died a few years ago after retiring from the nba. and it turns out he had a single coronary artery. and an unusual abnormality and these things can be found in young athletes have these kinds of rest. we will know which particular disorder he has. but it's encouraging that the family believes that there is a

treatment that not only will help them return to a basketball ããbut will prevent a subsequent event from occurring. >> yes. it is interesting that and said that they feel pretty confident about that. regional ããhow's the sports world reacting to this now? they're pretty high hopes for ronnie from his father perhaps most of all. >> yes. look ãjust the good thing is that they've identified this. and the clearly know how to treat it. and people been around sports for a long time know that congenital heart defects do not stop athletes from playing sports. in fact, there some very famous instances of a good snowboarder, shaun white has a congenital heart defect. u.s. soccer player, world champion, lauren holliday had a

congenital heart defect. there are a lot of players who have overcome this. so it's perfectly reasonable for lebron and ronnie and the whole family to expect that he will get back to the court. i had to mention also that teddy bruschi, whose 13 super bowls with the new england patriots also a congenital heart defect and that's a much more physical sport the basketball even. so we've seen time after time examples of this. the thing also that he can do is look to his own teammate. this is bizarre, but exactly a year to the day that ronnie james collapsed a year earlier. one of his teammates at usc had collapsed from a cardiac arrest and in fact came back to play in the middle of last season. i do want to tell you this though. i think that because ronnie has been thinking about basketball and i can tell you personally that he loves basketball. i think it's great news for him and his family that he's able to come back and play. but i will say that this is not a kid who needs to play basketball. obviously he will have a

terrific life if he never slept on the court again. and he is a family that feels very strongly about the fact that if he was in any kind of serious danger, they would never let him pick up a basketball again. so you can be confident this is the right decision.>> yes. for sure.he certainly doesn't have to do this. but doctor reiner ããas rachel just laid out ããthere are some examples of this. but as a doctor, how do you determine how quickly somebody can recover and perhaps get back on the court? and what will factor into the ã ãthe probability that this will happen for ronnie? >> sure. i think abby ãthis was gonna dictate how quickly can get back on the court is really two things. how effectively the treatment can prevent this from happening again and the morbidity. out innovating is the treatment? if a noninvasive therapy or a series of drugs can prevent this that he might get back on the court very quickly.if he requires open-heart surgery ãã then it might be much later in the season or next season. so the devil is in the details.

i think the positive message is that they understand what's happening to ronnie and that's key. you cannot treat something that you have not identified. and they feel they have a treatment plan going forward. they discussed who they met with and they met with some of the best people in the country. some confident that the diagnosis have arrived and has been done with very thorough and careful analysis. >> yes, rachel, about a minute left. ronnie was projected to be a first-round pick in mbas next summer draft. we think it what happens next? >> what i hope is that there are ripples throughout the sportscasters throughout the sports world. these kinds of cardiac arrests are the leading cause of death in young athletes. it's very significant that this has happened in the world stage. first tamara hammond and then with ronnie james in getting people to pay attention to this. and in fact we've seen some legislative action on the heels of all this. less than half of the states in the u.s. required

defibrillators to be at high school sporting events. despite the fact that it's young athletes, who are affected by this the most of any athlete. so the idea that we can see that love this of juliet legislation change in pennsylvania. there's been a lot introduced by a state legislator other this year that quickly became known as the mars law. he was literally watching television and saw tamara hammond claps and said why don't we have these e protectio for student athletes in pennsylvania? so i think we're only gonna see more of that and it's very scary incident can lead to greater protections for greater young men and women. i think that's a very amazing amazing future progress and it amazing future progress and it of nichols and actor jonathan reiner, look at have you both today. thank you. >> thank you, thank you for. >> we and an express, to the catastrophicper in-flight incident.take down that russian plane reportedly caring mercenary leader. you get deeper goshen. cnn has stinnow reviewed flight

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