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tonight, new calls for the resignation of luis rubiales after he forcibly kissed soccer star jennifer hermoso. the moment is becoming a flash point internationally. supporters of rubiales demonstrating outside church, where his mother is demonstrating a hunger strike, where elsewhere people are taking to the streets in support of hermoso. thanks so much for joining us tonight. tonight. "ac 360" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com tonight on "360," a federal judge says donald trump's
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election subversion trial should start a day before the biggest election day of the republican primary. stunning admissions from mark meadows in his effort to get his trial moved to a federal court. also tonight, a sad note on the anniversary of doctor king's march on washington, new details including video in the racist shooting that took three lives in jacksonville this weekend. also, idalia now expected to become a major hurricane and on track to hit florida. good evening, everyone. john berman here, in for anderson. whoever said there is a time and place for everything could not have imagined a day like today, the first of many, it appears, over the battle of when to try donald trump and company and where. today in washington, federal district judge tanya chutkan put the former president's election subversion trial on a fast track on a court calendar packed with other trump trials. and in atlanta, former courthouse chief of staff took
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the stand trying to get his fulton county, georgia, trial moved to federal court. first judge chutkan setting a trial date of march 4th of next year, rejecting jack smith's january 2nd date. look at that calendar. yes, that is super tuesday you see there on the fifth and 12 primaries. that's another trial in new york on the 25th. there's also the fulton county case possibly this october. the second e. jean carroll defamation trial on the day of the iowa caucuses. and the classified documents trial proposed for may. today on "the lead," jake tapper asked republican hopeful and former u.s. attorney chris christie about the date judge chutkan set. >> is that too soon, too far away? what do you think? >> i think it's a realistic date, jake, given that it's a one-defendant case. today, i think what the judge did was two-fold.
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one she rec one, she gave them six months to get ready for a single defendant case. and two, she made it quite clear to the trump team that the public relations games that they and their client play are not going to impact the decisions she makes in the courtroom. >> judge chutkan also signalled in so many words that the public interest in a speedy trial is what's driving her scheduling decision, not primary politics. and as for mark meadows today, he took the stand in what played out like a minitrial in his testimony on why he believes his case belongs in federal court, could have significant impact on his codefendants, including his former boss. meadows said he believed the actions detailed in the fulton county indictment for part of his official duties and were done at donald trump's behest. this included, he said, setting up the former president's call in which he asked state officials to find him 11,780 votes. whatever impact meadows testimony has today on his
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former boss, it's not the only factor returning to the question of scheduling. there's this from trump attorney lena ha bah, undercutting the argument that they and their client need time to prepare. >> what is he going to have to be prepped for? the truth? you don't have to prep much when you've done nothing wrong. so, that, i'm not concerned with. >> sara murray joins us now with more. let's talk about georgia. mark meadows on the stand. tell us about that and the rest of the hearing, sara. >> it's pretty remarkable that mark meadows took the stand under oath because he's kept such a low profile during all these investigations into donald trump until he became a codefendant. and also just because it's risky when you're a criminal defendant to go under oath. but in this case, meadows team needs to make the case that the actions he was taking were part of his official duties when he was the white house chief of staff. so, as he's being questioned both by prosecutors and his own attorneys, he's saying, you
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know, when he was on calls with donald trump and rudy giuliani, then trump's personal attorney, that that was part of his job as chief of staff as a gate keeper and as someone who is keeping the former president's schedule. he said when they were setting up this call with secretary of state brad raffensperger that that was also part of his official duties because there's a federal interest in ensuring that elections are run smoothly. they described these obligations to widely, at one point meadows' attorney gave sort of a caveat of what might not fall under his official duties as white house chief of staff, saying if he shot a demonstrator in lafayette park, that would obviously be outside the scope of his duties. >> georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger, as you mentioned, he testified. what did he tell the court? >> he was a key witness to make the case that what meadows was doing couldn't have been part of his official duties. this was in campaign activities,
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this was, in willis' view, illegal activity. and meadows said when he got that call from donald trump pressuring him to find the votes, he took that as a campaign call. the federal government doesn't play a role in certifying the results in a state's election. so, it was hard for him to consider how it could be part of a federal responsible. >> did the judge indicate when he would rule? >> he suggested he would move swiftly and he knows the arraignments in the state case are coming up on september 6th. and there are a lot of attorneys watching this. one of trump's attorneys was spotted at the courthouse. an attorney for jeffrey clark was at the courthouse. stand by for news in other words. thank you very much. perspective from senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe, also sarah flak, and jessica roth. andy, let's start with the obvious here. you know, it's a big deal for mark meadows to testify under oath this early in a process. how big of a deal? >> huge deal, john.
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huge deal. and it's potentially very, very dangerous. he is a defendant in a criminal matter. he has not had the benefit of seeing the government's case. he has not -- in his course of his experience as a defendant, he'll get to see through discovery the government's evidence, any other statements they have of him that they may try to use against him. he hasn't seen any of that stuff yet. so, now he's been under oath on the stand, making statements that will undoubtedly be brought up to him again if he decides to take the stand in his own defense in the criminal matter. so, it's very, very risky move for him, but it shows you how intent he is on trying to get this case out of state court. >> so, jessica, pick up on that. very risky but, to mark meadowss and his attorney, who's very experienced, they think worth it. why? >> so, worth it because he actually a burden to carry in this proceeding to have the case
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removed. it's a slight burden. it's a preponderance of the evidence, a more likely than not. he has to persuade the judge he was acting pursuant to his official role. so, he had to make that case. he wanted clearly to make that case as persuasively as he could. he clearly thought the best way he could do that was by testifying himself and telling his story about why this was part of his very broad official duties. so, he's trying hard to get the case removed to federal court because he thinks that's a better forum for him in terms of the jury pool most likely. he also, i think, is setting up his argument to have the entire action dismissed, if he succeeds first on the removal motion. and he's actually already filed papers to dismiss the action because he's entitled, he says, to immunity from this state prosecution because he was a federal official. so, this -- if he wins on that, that's the whole ball game for him. he would never be subject to cross-examination at trial because if he prevails on that motion to dismiss, this case
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goes away. >> you can see why he's taking this risk. if he wins here, he could, he thinks, have a chance to get it all dismissed. s brad raffensperger testified on whether he was acting on that behalf or if it was a political action, a campaign action. brad raffensperger testified he thought it was a campaign call. he didn't feel it was appropriate. how much do you think the judge will take that into account? >> oh, that's going to be the central issue. and that's why the judge asked those follow-up questions today. that is really what the judge has to consider. we know that the chief of staff's role is not just an administrative role, where you're just making phone calls or arranging meetings. so, the key question here is beyond those things, were you doing something to violate the law, violate federal law, violate georgia state law? and that is why the judge honed in on that today because that really is the central point of
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this investigation and the central issue before the judge in federal court. >> andrew, hit on this a little bit more about whether his actions were political or if they were administrative for the government. because this wasn't about the government in 2020. this was about who would be the next president in 2021. >> sure. there's no doubt in my mind, john, that from his perspective, as any number of a million different things he had to do for then-president trump in the course of a day, he probably saw this stuff as part of his job. but the law sees it very differently. if he was carrying out taskings and taking care of business on behalf of the president that were not strictly authorized by federal law, that were not in pursuit of some legitimate federal objective, then it was not within the scope of his authority or the scope of his position as chief of state, even
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though there were things that the president was likely telling him to do. let's remember this was not an administration that was very careful about watching that divide between government duties and political duties. this is the same administration that held their nominating convention in, you know, on federal property. so, there's many other examples of things like that. it wouldn't surprise me that meadows saw it that way, but the law might see it differently. >> jessica, other defendant who is may want to get their trials moved to federal court, including former president trump. i guess september 6th is the day that he and his 18 other codefendants are going to be arraigned. when would he have to try to get his case moved? >> the statute provides you have to file the notice to remove 30 days after arraignment. so, that would start the clock for president trump and any other -- former president trump and any others who would seek to remove. so, i'm sure they're watching to
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see what happens in this hearing. and the judge indicated, the judge is aware, of that september 6th date. so, if we get a ruling on the meadows motion before then, that's something the other defendants would take into account. >> sara murray reporting that donald trump had a lawyer there watching. that's interesting. >> very interesting. >> sara, i want to ask you about the meadows case. if it does go to federal court, it will still be argued by fani willis' team. what are the challenges that would face prosecutors if it did end up in federal court? >> the biggest issues prosecutors are going to face is the venue completely changes. going from fulton county, the county itself is a very, very liberal jurisdiction. and to go now to federal court in the northern district of georgia, that opens the pool up. your jury pool is going to be -- there are some counties that feed in there that are going to be a lot more trump friendly. so, that's why trump and his codefendants here are wanting their case removed. that's going to be the biggest
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hurdle for prosecutors. also likely will change the prosecution team. now you're dealing with a lot more federal law, federal issues. that office is very, very versed in state law, but i think we'll see changes that will be handled differently because of those issues that fani willis' office isn't equipped to handle. >> thank you all very much. we're going to take a quick break here. when we come back, more on the other big item, judge tanya chutkan's march 4th trial date. and the latest on idalia, when, where, and how hard it might hit florida and where it goes after that. somedays, i cover up because of my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. now i feel free to bare my skin, thanks to skyrizi. ♪(uplifting music)♪ ♪nothing is everything♪
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start with an all cash offer at opendoor dot com more now in today's other big development on the trials of donald trump and company, namely the march 4th trial date in this federal election subversion case. cnn's jessica schneider joins us now. jessica, what did the judge have to say about the time line, as she was setting that date? >> you know, john, the judge actually said it would have been unprecedented to wait until 2026 for a criminal trial to start. that's what the trump team wanted. and judge chutkan here, she actually chided trump's lawyers for not already prepping for this possibility for a quick trial in just six months. she stressed they knew this investigation was ongoing with the special counsel. and as she put it, a zealous attorney wouldn't have just been waiting in the wings for an indictment. they would have been prepping for this. trump's lawyer though, john lauro, he shot back and said he
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has just recently taken on this case. and he bluntly told the judge, look, i won't be able to provide effective legal assistance with a trial date this soon in just six months. and this is actually likely trump's team probably setting up the stage for an eventual appeal. they probably won't be able to appeal this early trial date in their view at this stage in the proceedings. but this all could be part of their appeal after there is a trial and eventual decisions. you alluded to this, jessica, but the trump attorneys, they said that the large amount of discovery material -- they have to go through all these papers -- was one reason they needed a later trial date. how did the prosecution respond to that? >> the prosecution said it and the judge agreed that a significant portion of this was already known to their page. there have been 13 million pages already handed over. but a majority of the pages are coming from trump and his team.
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they said it came from his own social media. they said about 3 million pages from his political action committees, 17,000,000 pages from the national archives. 5 million plus pages of grand jury transcripts. and there's just about 47,000 pages that we're going to be relying on as key to this case. and they argued it's those 47,000 pages that trump's team really should be focused on and they should be able, in the prosecution's view, to easily search them and form their defense around these select grouch pages to make that six-month trial timeline really not that difficult after all in their view. john? >> and get to reading, the judge basically said. jessica schneider, thank you very much. the panel is back with us now, and joining us is carrie cordero. andy, i want to start with you. march 4th? a realistic beginning for the trial? and did the trump team make a
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mistake asking for 2026, more than two years from now? >> i think they did, john. i think they really overplayed their hand here. i think march 4th is a realistic trial date. they've got a lot to do with the discovery, but they have time to do it. it's an unprecedented case, a case of great interest, but it is not an overly complicated case. and i think by coming in asking for a date that was so stretched out, ridiculous on its face, i think they run the risk of compromising their reputation, as it were, in the eyes of the judge. it would be likely that the judge would look at the rest of their motions and the rest of their appeals on different issues and the arguments they make in the context of understanding that they are -- their main goal here is delay. and that's their true purpose with whatever they're putting in front of her. you know, if you lose the c confidence and the respect of the judge this early on in the proceeding, you really do your client a disservice. and i think they may have done that with this 2026 date.
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>> carrie cordero, nice to see you. thank you so much for joining us. the judge said she wants to keep politics out of this case. is that even possible when you're dealing with donald trump, who was a former president, a man who could be the republican nominee? and when you set the trial date, you know, for 24 hours within super tuesday, does that send a message you are keeping politics totally separate or that they are inseparable? >> well, one way to look at that date is to imagine a scenario where the judge wasn't looking at the political calendar, that she was really evaluating the nature of the case, the nature of the time that, in a similar volume of documents and discovery type of case that comes before her in the district court, that this is the appropriate amount of time and that she will just run her courtroom and run this case irrespective of the political calendar. so, i think that's one way to
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look at it. but she also clearly is aware and cognizant and values the public interest in this particular case. so, even if that march date slips a little bit, which is completely possible. i mean, federal court dates are set. sometimes they can go at that time. but there could be various things that come up between now and then that have it slip a little bit. but it does seem likely that the trial would begin either in the end of march or april or certainly this spring before the election, before the nominating convention. >> so, jessica, the defense team, trump's lawyers said that the government is trying to put on a show trial. first of all, can they appeal this trial date? do they have any recourse to? that language, show trial language, is the type of thing judge chutkan warned them on. >> this is not an appealable decision. the trial date is something that is very much entrusted to the decision of the trial judge,
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who's close to the facts in the case and who has the best view of when is an appropriate time to try the case. that's not something they can appeal immediately. in terms of what the trump team is saying about this being a show trial, they're really running a risk of further alienating the judge, just like they did with saying that the trial should be in 2026. that was not incredible as an argument before her. and so statements about it being a show trial really risk alienating her and also potentially prejudicing the jury pool. and she specifically said at the conclusion of the hearing today that she's going to be very much watching for statements from the former president and his team that run the risk of tainting the jury pool, making it harder to seat a fair and impartial jury. so, they run a serious risk of being reprimanded by her at a minimum and having a very short leash from her and losing credibility on things that ultimately they may need that credibility when there's something that really matters to them. >> judge chutkan specifically said to the president's
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attorneys they need to take the temperature down. i mean, that's a sign. how will that -- how might that carry into the trial itself? >> well, she is setting the tone of her courtroom and the expectations in her courtroom clearly and early. and so, as they proceed, they will understand that she is going to set the nature of how this trial is conducted. so, i expect she won't have difficulty because she does run the courtroom, have the ability to reprimand, counsel, direct how the attorneys handle themselves in her courtroom. the harder part will be -- and this gets back to your early question about how the politics will play into it. the harder part, for her, i think, will be managing the activities and the public communications and the statements of the defendant himself in the campaign season. >> andy mccabe, if you know something about the public communications of the former president of the united states. you've been on the receiving end of tweets of his.
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what do you make of how judge chutkan is handling that, the message she is sending about how they will be viewed? >> i think she's doing a fine job so far. i think, as carrie intimated, we have a lot of ground to cover here. there's certainly going to be a lot of opportunities for the former president to flare out in the way he prefers to on social media. he's never et met a line he didn't cross or a norm he didn't break. i wonder how affected, if the judge finds herself in a position of having to, you know, set limits or, you know, chide him for his activities in the social media space, i really feel like that will have just a provoking effect on him. so, it's hard to see how those two forces working in opposite directions end up in a good place at the end of the day. but i have to tell you that i think all signs so far are that this judge is very much in control of her courtroom. she's going to run this calendar
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the way she sees fit. and the defendant is just going to have to go on with it. >> jessica, what does that portend? federal trials get moved. just because it's set for march 4th, doesn't mean it will be march 4th. is it more likely than not it will be concluded by election day? >> it would seem the judge is trying to get the trial completed before the election. it will depend on what motions are filed and how quickly she can rule on the motions and whether there's an effort to appeal. not everything is going to be within her control. i think what we've seen thus far from this judge is a strong commitment to the public interest and a speedy trial here. >> every step of the way here when she's had the possibility of making a quick decision, she makes a quick decision. >> yes. and i think we can expect that can continue. >> thank you all so much. we're going to stay on this story. but a simple question, does a
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all right. suffice it to say we are in uncharted political waters when it comes to multiple upcoming trials on felony criminal charges during a primary season. plus a world famous mug shot. could it affect the former president's front runner status in the republican presidential primary and beyond? for more on that, with us, cnn's senior data reporter, harry enten. nice to see you. >> nice to see you. >> all right. you know, a few days away at
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least. time enough to go in the field and take a poll. have you seen anything that indicates that the debate, the mug shot, any of it moved the contours of the race? >> not really. you know, there was a reuters ipsos poll that was taken last thursday into friday, so right in the middle, right of when the mug shot was taken on thursday night, after the gop debate, and what do we see? we see that donald trump still has a commanding lead in this republican primary with north of 50% of the vote. now, this is just one poll. i'm going to be interesting in seeing some other polling data. but this matches up very much in line with the averages that we saw before the debate. that is trump at this point looks like a run away train. and nothing that occurred at least preliminarily seems to have shifted that narrative. >> with so many investigations into trump happening simultaneously, what does the data show about how voters are responding? >> this to me is the interesting question, right? we have already had four
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indictments. the question that i have is whether or not a conviction would change any of the dynamics at all because i think that's really is question now. we know the indictments haven't changed anything at all. so, we asked an interesting poll question a few months ago that said, should trump drop out of the race if in fact he is convicted? most republicans said he should not. 88% said he should not. i will note there's 11% that said, yes, he should drop out if he is convicted. there was an additional 1%, margin of error type of stuff, said he should drop out. i think the question ultimately is, how do you look at that? the 88% is very large. that would leave him in the lead in the primary. if you jump forward to the general election, if all of a sudden 12% of your voters abandon you, that is a large chunk. and this race is looking to be close between former president donald trump and the current president joe biden. which way do you look at this? >> we don't know yet if
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convicted will be different than indicted. we may not know until or unless he is actually convicted. what about the timing of the cases? >> donald trump wants to delay, delay, delay. and obviously the judge in this particular case, the federal case twhhat we're talking about here, doesn't want to delay, wants it to start next march. most voters agree with the judge on this one. the vast majority of americans believe we should hold the election before election day 2024, not 2026, as donald trump wants. most independents are good with that. the vast majority of democrats are good with that. republicans do disagree with that, with, you know, far less than 50% believing we should hold the trial before the 2024 election. but even there you see a significant portion saying we should hold it. i think the judge is on the side of the public opinion here and we'll have to wait and see what happens. this is a story that's never been told before and one that we'll find out what exactly occurs. >> 63% of independents saying they want the trial before election day was worth watching
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there. i want to bring in audie cornish, also kristen anderson. kristen, let's backstop what harry just said. five days since the debate, four days since the mug shot. have you seen anything in the numbers that suggest any kind of change here? >> it wouldn't surprise me if the national polls don't move that much because we know even among republican-likely primary voters, only about one in three report that they watched any kind of part of the debate. the vast majority of republican voters are looking at this primary and saying, this is a long ways away. i'm going to wait for the field to narrow down. wake me up when you're down to two or three candidates versus donald trump and then we'll see. so, it wouldn't surprise me if the national polls don't movement i'm really interested in the early state polls because that's where you do have an awful lot of voters paying attention. and if they tuned into that debate, if they're shopping around for other candidates, that would be the first place you'd begin to see movement. >> i will wait to hear from you
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and harry on that the minute we start to see some of that reliable data. audie, how does one explain, at least in the national polls, how someone who has been impeached now twice, indicted four times, that it wouldn't move the polls? and if it has moved the polls at all, maybe even helped him a little bit? what's the plausible explanation for that? >> well, i can just say kind of a surface explanation can be that everyone pretty much knows donald trump at this point. you either like it or you don't. you now have several years of his term to know what his policies look like. and a lot of people have pretty much made up their mind. the question, the sort of soft numbers of people that these candidates would be looking for in the general election, we don't know what will sway them yet because we don't know what the economy will look like. there could be a mass shooting around election time. there could be a natural disaster around election time. there could be all kinds of
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factors that could affect just a narrow slice of people just enough to sway the election one way or another. but i don't think anyone looks at donald trump and thinks, i'm not sure what i'm going to get here. >> harry, if, in fact, this federal trial begins on march 4th, super tuesday is march 5th. >> yeah. >> i mean, how will those two things work in tandem do you think? what will be in a voter's mind? how would trump campaign around a trial on march 4th? >> we've never seen it happen before, right, where you have a guy who might be going in a court, on the campaign trail, back and forth. so, in that way, it's completely unpredictable. but to me, you know, we've already seen what happens when president trump is indicted. most of the voters on the republican side of the aisle believe it's a politically motivated indictment. i'm not sure going back to and from court makes a difference necessarily. i think ultimately the only thing that may make a difference, if he is, in fact,
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convicted, and that won't happen most likely until the primaries are already sewn up. and if that, in fact, occurs, i think the real question is what happens in a general election. and i do think that there's the possibility based upon the polling and what we know about history is that donald trump tends to ebb to his lowest levels of support when he's seen as a loser. and i don't think you can be seen as a bigger loser than if you are convicted of a federal crime. >> harry brought up the words general election. you are responsible for, i think, what is some of the most interesting data i have seen to this point that explains where we're at in this election, where you did a focus group, albeit a small focus group, with republican voters. we watched the debate and heard nikki haley say that donald trump is so unlikable and the inseine wags is he can't possibly win a general election. that's what she says. but what do voters tell you? >> so, republican voters know that donald trump is not for everyone. but they look at joe biden and they say, come on, joe biden's
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worse than donald trump. and they assume that swing voters agree with them. so, in that focus group that you're referencing i did for "the new york times" opinion section, we talked to 11 republican voters. nevertheless at the end of the group, i said, okay, no matter who republicans nominate, do you think they'll beat joe biden? and every person in the group said, yes. polling from cbs news showed 61% of republican voters think donald trump would be a lock to beat joe biden. they don't yet think that he is risky or unelectable. but to harry's point, if he's convicted, maybe that's what it will take for that calculation to change. >> audie, you were talking about, you know, big unexpected events, how they may change the outcome of election. they are unexpected, so we can't really know what they might be. but if this is a normal election process, how much do you buy into the notion that donald trump blocks out the sun for
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other candidates who are running against him, that the trials will just take any focus away from someone's jobs plan, for instance? >> right. this is not a normal election, so i think that kind of hurts halfway through your question. but the truth is, we are at a point where the question for most republican primary voters is not just, do you support donald trump, but also he's asking them who don't you trust, right? who scares you more? the other thing that's going on is who is going to pick up the mantle for trumpism after his term should he get one? and that's another thing that i think voters are looking at when they look at this primary field in particular. they're not necessarily looking for someone who will do better, win the general, et cetera. they believe that president trump will win, so it's really about who will carry on his legacy. i want to add one thing to something you said with harry earlier about how he'll campaign
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and how this affects things. this is the president that has truly perfected the national earned media campaign, right? bad press is good press, all press is good press. he doesn't actually really need to do the retail politics that i think we in the political media are very impressed by and are obsessed with. he can just do giant rallies. he can do nothing. and i don't think the mug shot makes a difference in a celebrity-driven culture. and he's always straddled that line. i could sell, right? i could fund raise off of that mug shot. anybody could. it is what it is. and i don't think that that necessarily kind of gives us a good sense of how people feel about him as a potential second term president. >> excellent point. and i do appreciate you -- my question as well. >> it's not normal. none of it's normal. we don't have to pretend. >> indeed. nailed that completely. audie cornish, great to see you. harry enten, kristen sanderson,
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today marks the 60th anniversary of one of the most iconic moments in u.s. history, the march on washington for jobs and freedom. about a quarter million people gathered at the steps of the lincoln memorial to protest racial inequality. dr. martin luther king jr. delivered his "i have a dream" speech, possibly the most famous and moving words of the 20th century. the following year, congress passed sweeping legislation that outlawed discrimination. today president biden met with members of dr. king's family to honor that fight. he mentioned the racist attack this weekend in jacksonville, florida. according to police, a man with an emblazoned assault rifle
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killed three black people. brian todd has more, including new video on the attack that has sparked a federal hate crimes investigation. >> new information tonight about saturday's racist shooting rampage in jacksonville. new video shows that before the shooter killed three black people at a dollar general store, he stopped at a different dollar store but only came out with a bag. >> it doesn't appear to me that he wanted to face anyone that may cause him any issues. so, it looks like he wanted to take action at the family dollar. that's what it looks like. and he did not because i think he got impatient and got tired of waiting. >> he then went to edward waters university, a historically black university. video shows the suspect apparently parked in a lot, gets a bag out of a hatch, then puts on a vest. then a security officer approaches. the suspect speeds off, jumping the curb and almost hitting a column. >> i did see what appeared to be
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a tactical vest, a mask, along with a hat. >> he left and went to a second dollar store. there he got out of his car and shot and kill aid woman in her car before going into the the store and killing two others. officers stormed the dollar general store looking for the suspect. you can see them visibly reacting when they hear a shot fired. authorities believe that is when the gunman killed himself. authorities believed the shooter previously worked at a dollar tree store. writings left behind said he wanted to kill black people, the sheriff says. >> the three victims all black, angela carr, an uber driver, jarrald gallion, who has a 4-year-old daughter, and a.j. laguerre, who worked at the store. there was nothing in the shooters past that prevented him from buying guns, even though in
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2017 he was p sent for a 72-hour mental health evaluation under the baker act and released according to authorities. >> i don't know legally, given the way the laws are written right now in the state of florida that there was anything that could have been done. and therein lies the frustration for me. >> community representatives are demanding broader action to address racism and hate crimes. >> it's unjust that we can't even walk on the sidewalks. we're not safe in any stores. >> reporter: a federal hate crimes probe has already been launched. >> and brian todd is with us now. brian, this shooting comes on the anniversary on another act of racial violence in jacksonville. what can you tell us about that? >> reporter: that's right, john. it came on the weekend the city marked the 63rd anniversary of an incident called ax handle saturday, an incident in 1960 where more than 200 white rioters beat a group of black protesters. it came the same weekend, as you
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mentioned, when everybody around the country commemorated the 60 anniversary of the march on washington. and it came five years to the day after another mass shooting in downtown jacksonville. this was a shooting at the jacksonville landing when two people were killed and ten others wounded. with all the symbolism, all the anniversaries surrounding this event, just leading to greater frustration for everyone in this community. >> a lot of history surrounding this, in some cases too much, too much history. brian todd, thank you very much. great to see you. evacuation orders are in effect for parts of florida tonight ahead of an expected major hurricane. the latest on idalia's path and how quickly it could strengthen from meteorologist chad myers next. ♪ please don't go ♪ ♪ please don't go ♪ ♪ plelease don't go ♪ ♪ please don't go ♪ ♪ don't goooooo! ♪ ( ♪ ♪ )
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tonight, a dangerous tropical storm that could become a major hurricane is barrelling toward florida's gulf coast. storm surge and hurricane warnings are in effect for part of the region. already all 5,500 state and national guard members are activated to respond to idalia. and at least eight florida counties have issued evacuation orders for coastal residents.
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a new bulletin just came out from the national hurricane center, so let's go to chad myers for the details on that. chad, what is the latest? >> actually, relatively good news. i mean, the hurricane hunters are in the storm right now, and they have not found anything greater than about 65 or 70 miles per hour. so, it is not strengthening at this hour. something i want you to notice though, john, typically we'll see hurricane warnings and they'll be along the coast. with this storm, notice how far these hurricane warnings go inland. and even if the storm goes farther to the north, tallahassee, you're going to get included. but because the storm is going to have momentum and not really cross over much here on the west side of florida, there aren't beaches over here. there are a few towns, fishing villages and that, but there's an awful lot of nothing there, kind of wetland there. and wetlands don't slow down hurricanes. they just keep them ongoing. this thing could be a hurricane farther inland than usual. here it is 70 miles per hour, hurricane hunters flying through
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it right now. pretty unorganized. that's not expected to continue. but at least for right now, it's unorganized. then you take the path right on up to the north of tampa or possibly as far west as apalachicola. you've to understand the cone here. the cone is only meant to catch 66% of all hurricane tracks. that's how it's made. so, one-sixth of all hurricanes could go to the right. the other sixth could go to the left. hurricane center narrowing the focus so we have a focus on where they believe the biggest threat will be and how big the track error has been over the many, many years. that's how the track is actually made. here's how the guidance shapes up though, all the way up here to the north of big bay. one thing i just noticed, there's an ibm graph weather model that just printed out, taking it a little bit closer to cedar key. that was the latest model there that i was just looking at. 90-mile-per-hour winds, easy when you have 90-degree water. this is a big event here.
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storm surge could be 12 feet. many of the towns here, cedar key, the one you're going to, doesn't even have land above 12 feet. i know where you're going. i want you to be careful. you get in touch with me if you ever feel the need to talk tomorrow. >> i promise, i promise. and my wife and mother both thank you, and my father. chad myers, thank you for that. next, gymnast simone biles makes history and shows the world yet again why she is a superstar. personal loan from sofi. geget a personal loan with low low fixed rates, and borrow up to $100k. sofi get your money y right.
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