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strengthen into a major hurricane more for it makes landfall wednesday along the gulf coast. right now, it's some 20 miles of the western tip of cuba and has sustained winds of 70 miles per hour. forecasters are warning that idalia could become a category three storm before it hits florida's big bend from tampa to just south of tallahassee. officials say some areas of the gulf coast could see 10 to 12 feet. the storm surge and undeterred and involuntary evacuations have been issued for at least eight counties on florida's west coast. we have continue to monitor it and will continue to update you as that storm progresses. thank you so much for joining me tonight. cnn prime time with abby phillip starts right now. >> -- on the racist attack there as well as the he was security
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guard who chased down the shooter. plus the family of the fallen soldier whose fox news just apologized to over fall story. and a brim x candy will respond to vivek ramaswamy who called him the grand wizard of the modern. but first, mark meadows, he took a big risk today by taking the stand. thump trump's chief of staff -- overturn election results in georgia and he's arguing that his case should go over to federal thornton's former chief of now, he's arguing that his case should go over to federal court instead. today, there was a mini trial of sorts. one that many legal experts have said may have put him in deeper trouble. cnn's jessica schneider is here to tell us what's happened in that hearing today. jessica. >> abby, we are now waiting for the federal judge in georgia to decide if mark meadows case can be moved to federal court. meadows testified for several hours today. he tried to make the case that everything he did was within his official duties as chief of
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staff for trump. he talks about that infamous phone call to georgia secretary of state, where trump of course asked raffensperger to find him more votes. meadows excuse the call saying that trump believe there was fraud in georgia and you are trying to come up with a way to resolve the issues without going to court. now, brad raffensperger himself testified and called this out reach from president chief of staff setting up the call extraordinary in his words. so, we'll see which way the judge rules and of meadows can get his case out of state court. abby. >> yeah, very much important developments today, jessica, thank you and stand by for us. here with me in the studio's former gop congressman and host of the white flag podcast. joe walsh. also, wall street journal sabrina siddiqui, associate professor at law georgetown university peter johnson and former federal prosecutor gene rossi. i want to start with the lawyers at the table. both of you.
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so, gene, the georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger testified today as well. he was on that infamous call, trump looking for his 11,000 votes, what do you think his testimony will mean for mark meadows overall arguments? he basically said the call was political, and to what trump was asking him was inappropriate. >> he the thing he did the hurt as cases he said he was acting on behalf of donald trump. you can complain about how a blanket ambush your money, but you can't rob it. so, with trump did is he devised a scheme to affect the electoral votes and he brought mark meadows in to help him execute the scheme. the other thing mark meadows did that came out of that hearing is he violated the hatch dock and you cannot under any circumstances claim color of law if you're violating the hatch jack. so he, shot himself in the foot. >> he saying everything i edward waters university did, broadly speaking was part of my responsibility because as the president of the united states anything that he wants goes. >> well, it has limitations. the hatch had says you can only
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do certain things even as a chief of staff so and he tries to make the argument that he's acting under court of law and that's how he gets in federal court, he can't make that argument because he is violating the law when he's working for donald trump. >> mark meadows on the witness stand today, a mistake? >> it certainly makes me want to crunch as a defense attorney. he was subject to cross-examination, he was on the stand for hours. the defense doesn't know what the prosecution has in this case. the prosecutors do and so they were able to cross examine him with an eye towards the trial and anything he said could be used against him at the trial. so, risky move for sure. >> from the political view, serena, what does trump thinking and seeing when they see this all unfold? >> i think they're watching this very closely. meadows is not the only one who
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is looking to have this case removed to a federal court. so, i think when you look at the laguerre strategy from meadows team yes, it's a big gamble because he's a defendant in a criminal matter putting him on the stand, open them up to cross-examination. but, the idea here, this is according to meadows's team is that federal law prohibits states from prosecuting u.s. officials who are carrying out their official duties, and so if they can get it moved to federal courts, they will try and argue that meadows is immune to the charges against him. they're also trying to draw on a more diverse jury pool than the heavily democratic fulton county. i think people are going to be watching the judges associated very closely and see of that charge burns true you might see some of the other codefendants trying to follow suit. it is a very broad interpretation of the scope of a chief of staff to just say, i'm just the gatekeeper, almost positioning himself as secretary, i had to be on every meeting, i had to be on every call. you have that up against a very powerful testimony of georgia secretary of state, brad raffensperger who said, no, i view this as campaign activity,
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i found it inappropriate, and the federal government does not have a role in certifying the results of a state selection. >> i think meadows attorney at one point described medals as no, i view this as campaign activity, i found it inappropriate, and the federal government does not have a role in certifying the results of a state selection. >> i think meadows attorney at one point described medals as trump's are alter ego. i was a bizarre way to describe it. look, the raffensperger piece of this is just a stark reminder that for a few people of conscience, where were this all gone? >> abby, that is the phone call. that phone call, to beat trump's chief of staff is a violate the hijack. demands >> mark meadows argument. >> yes, and team trump will be watching. they want to move to federal courts as well. but no, meadows knew exactly what he was getting into when he signed up to be trump's chief of staff. this is coming home to buy them
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in the rear. and >> one of the interesting things, gene, is that meadows denied some very specific sheriff t. k. waters parts of the allegations against him in the indictment that he was a part of a meeting in which he and trump asked seniors off with a drop the plan for what happened on january 6th. he said he does not remember that meeting happening, or does not recall. that is a very specific denial, it seems to me, given that i would assume the prosecutors would have some evidence. >> absolutely. when i tried my prosecutors cases as a prosecutor's, one of the things that used to love is i do not recall when you have evidence they cannot possibly have forgotten what happened. here is the other thing that came out of that hearing, it was very subtle, the
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prosecutors are holding back evidence not in the indictment. there was an email being used on cross examination, and they're holding back. so, this indictment is not the full exposé of everything they have. so, they are lying with evidence text messages, and emails, that's going to come back to haunt mark meadows at all after trial. >> now they have a window as you are kind of pointing out earlier into what the defense counter argument is going to be. in some ways, it could be a gift to the prosecutors that this trial is happening. >> absolutely, this is just not the kind of thing that experience defense attorneys do. it's just such a risk for the defense this early on in the case. >> everybody standby, we have a little bit more that's happening today, and all these legal developments we're also learning that a trial date for trump's federal election interference trial will collide with the peak of the republican primary season.
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i want to go right back to jessica schneider. jessica. >> trump's attorney, abby, is telling the judge that six months is just too fast for him to provide proper representation for the former president. the judge though, essentially scolded that attorney, john laurel for not doing more to prepare when trump's team knew the special counsel was investigating and knew there was an indictment likely coming. so, the trial start date is set for march 4th 2024. prosecutors are saying, they've already handed over nearly 13 million pages of documents, but also saying that trump's team should be familiar already with the majority of these documents and should be able to review what is left, relatively quickly. so, this march 4th trial start date could slide, but likely not by much. abby. >> very fascinating, thank you jessica and back to the table here. judge chutkan is not messing around here. we're going to get a date on the calendar and everyone's
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going to be ready. do you think that date is appropriate though? this is a very significant and a very sprawling case. >> i'm from the rocket docket where things move a lack -- to the march 4th date does not alarm me. i will say this in favor for donald trump, there is a ton of discovery, a ton, and i respect judge chutkan trying to set a deadline for march 4th for the trial. however, i predict you're going to have motions in january and february that are going to push that trial dates back just a little bit. so, if i had to bet money and i don't get a lot of money, i'm looking at june maybe made for this trial. >> i just think it's fascinating. this is not some overworked public defender who is defending donald trump. this is, we know trump has raised tens of millions of dollars for his legal defense. so, i think it's hard for the
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defense to argue that they don't have the resources to go through this discovery. >> we're talking about maybe what, 12 million documents? >> the government did identify several hundred pieces of evidence or pages of documents that they described as a roadmap to their case. that's not something i've ever had the prosecutors do in my cases. so, this kind of seems like he's getting an advantage with that road mac see what the government is going to focus on. >> i do want to say one thing, to compare donald trump to the scars were boys and pelvis is alabama, that is beyond beyond. that's a case involving teenagers, african americans accused of two white women, to have when we're candid, had trials in about a week of being indicted and to say that donald trump is similar to those kids
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who are prosecuted, that to me is classic hotspots. >> that's the kind of thing that clearly could inflame you do not want to be on your side of the case like this. speaking of some questionable decisions from trump's team, this is coming at a time in the calendar that puts its smack dab in the middle of the primary season, and literally a day before super tuesday. >> i've spoken to trump aides who acknowledge that this is going to be a challenge for the former president because his court appearances and legal proceedings, there's no way around the fact that they will take the trump off the campaign trail at critical ports in the republican primary calendar. so, they're looking into other ways maybe that he can connect with voters maybe through virtual events or tele-town halls. now, what we do now and we are already seeing the beginning of that is that the trial is very much going to become the heart of reelection campaign, the grievances, this idea that he
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is being politically persecuted despite all the evidence detailing his activity that his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election. i mean, trump campaign has already been fundraising off these indictments, off of everything, every developments, and look, he has not suffered in any capacity and with respect to republican primary voters, if anything he has a commendable lead. that's the primary. of course, it's going to be a very different matter when you have side by side of former president trump sitting in a courtroom and president biden on a campaign show talking about the economy in a general electorate, it can tell a very different story. >> that's the point,, abby trump's legal fight is his campaign. him sitting in a courtroom is going to be him campaigning. every republican i've talked to today has said election interference. they have screamed election
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interference. this just adds to that narrative that the entire justice system is ganging up on trump. i think politically, this helps him in the primary big-time. >> let's be honest, the race could be over by the time we get, before we get to super tuesday even effectively. so, voters may not even have the benefits of seeing this trial go to its conclusion. frankly the only thing that appears to move some republican primary voters is the possibility that he is convicted. but, i don't think conviction will come until the nomination is dropped up. so, it'll be about how independent and suburban voters who are critical to biden's victory in 2020 view the charges against him and the trial a general action. >> the integration they have now maybe the information they have going into the voting booth. thank you all very much for being with us tonight. up next for us, new video showing the jackson shooter before his recent attack at dollar general store. i'll speak with a sheriff of jacksonville next. and, with the security guard
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who confronted the shooter outside of historically black college. he joins me now on what he saw and how to prevent further bloodshed. plus, republican candidates, vivek ramaswamy defends his comments on white supremacy and comparing some on the left to black people to the modern. that is next. ♪ chevy silverado has what it takes to do it all. with up to 13 camera views. and the z71 off-road package. ♪ you ok? yeah. any truck can help you make a living. this one helps you build a life. chevy silverado.
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moments out speak with the sheriff on the investigation as well as the hero security guard who chased down the gunman. first, new video show a white gunman made a stop at edward waters university. and, a family dollar both before going to the dollar general, and an ar-15 rifle and a hand guard, that's where he killed three black people. today 52 year old angela michelle carr, 19-year-old anolt joseph laguerre jr., and 29 year old jerrald gallion. >> i want to bring in now jacksonville sheriff sheriff t. k. waters. sheriff waters, thank you very much for being here. i know how difficult at the time this is for your community. we appreciate it. >> thank you for having me i, appreciate it. >> we were just discussing these videos that's really start to paint a picture of what was going on with the
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shooter. he made multiple soft and got ready for the attacks in public. is it possible he wanted to be seen before carrying out this awful attack? do you have any sense of the why here? >> i wish i did. i can't tell, i wish we could've figured this out. we can't tell what his intentions were. all we can do is survive based on what we've seen is that he had an intention to, i think, and this is what we all think collectively, is that his initial target was going to be the first place you stop that. he was there for a long time, he could not weather cnn security vehicle stopped him. i believe that is what it was. he did not want to face anyone that would face any sort of issue for him. he was looking for innocence. >> he was looking for people perhaps that he did not know or that he wouldn't confront him, is that what you're saying? >> that's correct. i don't think he wanted to have
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any confrontation with someone that would create an issue for him or stop him from doing what he wanted to do. >> that's interesting and obviously very disturbing. you also said that the shooter had a chance to shoot at people at the university that historically black university in jacksonville. can you tell us more about what the investigation has found about why he did not, if he had the opportunity? >> i think he had a goal in mind. when you, based on what we've been able to find, he worked at dollar tree. he went to another family dollar store then he left there got changed at vw you, our local hbcu, and left there to gonald general. i think you one of those or. one of those stores, don't know why. i can guess but i don't know why. >> the suspect also left behind
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writings to his parents, the media, federal agents. what can you tell us about those writings? what do they say or reference that would help us understand what his mindset was going into this? >> they say quite a bit. they are very foul. a lot of them are filled with hate filled language towards many different races to people, primarily against blacks. he did not like anything. he didn't like the government. he did not like republicans. he didn't like democrats. he didn't like, he thought the system was complete failure, he didn't like the lgbtq community, he didn't like anything. he even mentioned some other groups that i think there's been speculation that he's connected to. he mentioned those groups. he didn't like those groups. so, he was just a very confused acquainted and driven and determined young man.
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>> so, you mentioned other groups. are you saying there were broader groups that people may assume share his views that he specifically mentioned that he did not associate with? what are those groups? >> he did. he mentioned one in particular that wears hawaiian shirts. that's all. he didn't like that group, he mentioned that group. like i said, he was just a, not confused, he knew what he believed, he wasn't confused, he was just organized ramblings, it's the best way i can describe it. >> i know that obviously this moment, your community is in pain, but there's been a lot of reaction at the national level. one has come from presidential candidate vivek ramaswamy who recently dismissed the idea of white supremacy. i want to take a listen to what he had to say.
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>> the reality is we created such a racialized culture in this country. in the last several years, that wright is the last few burning embers of racism were burning out. we have a culture in this country, largely created by media and establishments and universities and politicians that throw kerosene on that racism. >> this is obviously an attack that was targeted at black people and predominantly black part of your community. you are also a black man. what is your response to that? >> i mean, clearly there's racist, we know that. i believe 100% there is racist. do i believe our country is full of people that want to kill each other because we are what we believe are legion, i don't. i don't believe that. i've been in this community for a very long time. that does not representative of who we are. but, there are outliers, there are people who do not like other people for the race, for being black, for being jewish, for being whatever religion. that exists. white supremacy maybe he was, i believe he was, while listening to what he said and the things he wrote it down.
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i do know those things exist, those people exist. but, as a whole, in the city, i believe we're a great city. i believe were great people. i believe that i went to a prayer vigil yesterday, there were people from every walk of life that were there. there was a jewish rabbi that was there, there are white people that were there, there were black people that were there. and, just envision you hear about so much in our country, i'm sitting in rooms full of all sorts of people every single day that we look at each other we take care of each other, we're going to continue to do that. >> our hearts continue to be with your community and in these moments it's about what has happened, but we see the goodness in people when they come together in times like this. sheriff t.k. waters, we thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. >> up next, a hero security guard who confronted the jacksonville shooter, while he
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>> edward waters university, a historically black college and the first in the state of florida was one of the stops at the jacksonville gunman made before going on his deadly racist rampage. while he was at the university, he was confronted by a security guard, lieutenant antonio bailey. many now say those actions by lieutenant bailey may have helped avoid a further
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catastrophe that day. he joins me now. lieutenant bailey, thank you very much for being here. >> you are very welcome. i'm glad to be here tonight. >> we are grateful to you for what you have done and the situation that could have potentially saved lives. the students at the university alerted you at first about the suspect being on that campus. what led them to flag you down to confront him? >> they advise that they saw him putting on a tactile vest and gloves and the mask. they advise that we need to check that vehicle out. >> when you got to the scene, just describe for us what you saw and what the suspect was doing, where was he? >> at that time, we were sitting inside the same parking lot of said suspect when the students alerted us at that time.
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we did try to make contact with the suspect. he was inside the vehicle at that time. >> did you ever see him outside the vehicle at all? did you ever have any communication with him at all? >> i did not see him outside the vehicle. he was inside the vehicle at the time that we were alerted. >> was it clear to you in that moment that this was someone who is on his way to commit an act of mass violence? >> at that time we did not know what his intentions were. we just knew that we were alerted he was on campus putting on tactical clothing and gloves. >> as he was leaving, you all pursued him for sometime. were you alerting the jacksonville sheriff's department at the same time about this person that you saw? >> at the time that we were behind said suspect, we were just trying to get as much information. we knew he was not supposed to be on the university campus, especially being in tactical
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gear. we just want to get as much information as we could about the vehicle description, tied information, any information we could get at that time so we could relay it to the jacksonville sheriff's office. we are communicating with our private emergency dispatch center at that time. >> what did you tell them? >> we were just telling them that we have a suspicious person on campus that was getting dressed in tactical gear and letting them know that we were actually trying to get more information at that time. >> do you think he would have launched a rampage at the school had you not been there to confront him? >> that i cannot say. i have no idea what was going
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on through his mind at that time or what his intentions were. >> now we do know that he had an ar-15 style assault style weapon with him. it was marked up from what we've seen with racist symbols. as you think about that and what could have been, do you think that you would have been prepared to confront someone like that? while on duty? >> we come to work every day. we are prepared for what is to come. we put the uniform on a security and law enforcement. this is what we signed up for, to protect others. >> all right, lieutenant antonio bailey, thank you very much and i know the students on
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that campus are grateful that you were there for them that day. thank you. >> you are welcome. >> up next, vivek ramaswamy is under fire tonight for downplaying white supremacy and claiming that a black lawmaker and the author of a very popular anti racist book are the ones actually pushing racism. >> these are the words of the modern grand wizards of the modern. >> well, that man ibram kendi is here to respond, plus a gold star family of a marine that was killed in afghanistan, getting an apology from fox news over a false story. ♪ the truth is there is no quick fix... ...but there is a more effective way to lose weight and it isn't what you think. it's actually noom. it's two times more effective than doing it on your own. get started right now by taking the noom quiz.
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>> you've been hearing a lot
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about him because he has been rising in the polls and vivek ramaswamy also recently suggested that he would not have certified the election results in the way that former vice president mike pence did. >> here's what i would've said. we need single day voting on election day. we need paper ballots and we need government issued idea matching the voter file. if we achieve that, then we have achieved a victory. we should not have any further complaint about election integrity. in my capacity as president of the senate, i would've lead through that level of reform, then on that condition certify the election results, serve it up to the president, president trump, and then designed that into law and the january 7th declared a reelection campaign pursuant to a free and fair election. i think that was a missed opportunity. >> for those familiar with schoolhouse rock and separation of powers, the vice president has neither the authority to send legislature directly to congress nor does he have the authority to simply deny
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election results. but, it is notable that since 2022 to vivek ramaswamy seems to disagree with 2023 vivek ramaswamy. in his book just last year, he mocked trump's election lies. he called his arguments week and he said reasonable republicans do not believe that the election was stolen. on the question of the vice president specifically, he wrote,uote, mike pence the man i have great respect for decided it was his constitutional duty to resist the presidents attempts to get him to unilaterally overturn the results of the election. he goes on to write, our institutions did hold in the end. but, they should not have been tested. in the meantime, that's not the only thing that vivek ramaswamy is getting attention for. he also has gotten quite a bit of backlash after calling a black democratic congresswoman a modern grand wizard of the modern at a stop in iowa on friday. >> ayanna pressley, she's in the congress today, she's member of the squad. her words not mine.
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we do not want any more black faces that do not want to be a block voice. we don't want any more brown faces that don't want to be a brown voice. literally word for word i'm not putting words in anyone's mouth. ibram kendi brought how to be anti racist. i wrote -- his sold more copies in mine. here's what it says, opening lines, the remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. the remedy to present discrimination's future discrimination. -- gas that you need to the stuff you just making that critical races stuff up, no, these are not my words. these are the words of the modern grant wizards of the modern. >> the man he's talking about there, ibram kendi, joins me now. he is the author of as mr. vivek ramaswamy say's, how to be an anti racist and is also the director of center for anti racist research at boston
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university. ibram kendi, thank you for being here. i want to get your reaction to what you heard him saying they're comparing you and congresswoman ayanna pressley to the modern grand wizards of the. >> i just think it's incredibly dangerous. the ku klux klan is the oldest and quite possibly most violence white terrorist group really domestic terrorist group in american history. they have engaged in generations of violence against black people, against, against all sorts of groups it on agree with. they have also expressed ideas of racial hierarchy and white supremacy, ideas that i and congresswoman ayanna pressley have repeatedly and constantly challenged. so, it's incredibly dangerous, especially in this moment where all sorts of reports point to
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white supremacists as the greatest domestic terrorist of our time to be comparing people to them that have spent their lives challenging them and actually who the klan hates. the klan really does not like me. >> look, yesterday on cnn state of the union, vivek ramaswamy was pressed about this, and pressed about the violence of the and how that could possibly compare to anything that you or congresswoman ayanna pressley have said. he said he wanted to provoke a, quote, honest discussion in this country. so, just help us here. what would an honest discussion on race in this country in this moment actually look like? >> i think we would start with racial disparities and inequities. we would identify the evidence that points to, for instance, black people are more likely to be impoverished or incarcerated or killed by police or dying of heart disease and cancer. we would also recognize that there is nothing inferior about black people as a group. so, there must be policies and practices leading to those disparities and as americans we
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should come together to identify and eliminate those disparities. that's an honest conversation based on evidence and based on notions of racial inequality. >> -- whether it requires actively addressing racial wrongs to address them in the future. but that kind of rhetoric from him doesn't seem to be part of that conversation. i do wonder though, i mean, this is happening on the campaign trail, right. he is one of several candidates of color in the republican race. but he's doing really well and is making these arguments at a particular moment for him in this race. why do you -- do you think this is a part of why he is doing so well right now?
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>> without question. unfortunately, you have two many candidates particularly republican candidates of color who recognize that one of the ways they can boost their political appeal to right republicans by telling them they are not racist and then turning around and attacking those who are pointing out racism as the real problem, as the real racists and we've seen candidate after candidate be boosted, particularly candidates of color, by essentially feeding white republicans there denial and that's all vivek is doing. he knows that. and the irony is that that is based on racism. and it's based on his skin color. at the same time, he's claiming racism is no longer an issue. >> ibram kendi, thank you for joining us tonight, and responding directly to that.
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quote, the now unpublished story has now been addressed internally and we sincerely apologize to the gee family. that apology comes after a report on military. com drew attention to the story. but it also indicated that fox 's top executives had repeatedly been notified by senior members of the marine corps that it was publishing a fabricated story. i want to bring in now the mother-in-law of fall and marine sergeant nicole gee, kristie hamblin. kristie, thank you very much for being here. just tell me understand this. first of, all did you hear from fox directly, and are you satisfied with what they said happened here? >> yeah, i heard from fox directly, and spoke with them -- >> who did you hear from? >> i can tell you. i'm just so sorry. these things aren't common for me, so i can't remember specific names, but i think it
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was a really good example of people with the very best intentions getting misinformation and crossed facts. and i feel like the answers are coming out. and that's appreciated. we just want transparency and honesty. >> so, if i'm understanding this correctly, there is a policy that requires fall and -- family members of fallen service members to pay upfront for funeral transportation if they go to a second location. but the pentagon would reimburse them. and in your family's case, you didn't pay anything. >> correct. >> how did your -- you know, how did nichols story get mixed up in what just seems to be a narrative here that is false? >> you know, it, in the process of transporting her remains after we received her at dover, it was confusing and hectic.
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and once we got her to her hometown of roseville, california, where she was honored by all of her family and friends and teachers and people that she grew up with, we as a family became aware that we would need to pay for her transport to arlington, as my son had chosen to lay her to rest there. and we were fortunate enough to have a nonprofit we were working with step in, who had a private donor who donated his time and services. so, no bills were ever received. no money was ever paid. there was no refusal by d. o. d. to pay a bill, because we never had a bill. my hope and bringing it up was that so future families wouldn't have the worry at the time of trying to figure out how to transport remains.
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>> it's been, two years, actually, two years, two days ago, since he lost nicole. and i can feel it. it's still a fresh loss for you. but you are here in washington for a reason. tell us what you still want to see come out of the tragedy that happened to her. >> i want to see positive change. nicole was an advocate for positive advocacy and positive mental attitude. and i believe we could do better. there's gonna be more evacuations. we're going to need to rescue more people. and i want our armed services to be safe doing that. and if we can do anything to make those processes work better next time, that's my aim, is to make a better process for it. >> yeah. and what else would you like people to know about your daughter? >> she was an amazing encouraging person. she always wanted every single person to just be the best they
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could be, given their current circumstances. she really was an advocate for a positive mental attitude. and i try hard to bring that forward to everybody. >> you do on her. thank you very much, christy, for being here. and coming up next for, us it's been 60 years since the march on washington brought us some of the most powerful words in history. but it wasn't just those words, it was also the music that was just as influential. the sounds that brought the nation together and inspired musicians in the generations to come, that's up next. ♪ ♪ ♪ with noom you can still enjoy your favorite food and reach your goal weight. get started with noom, today. will you pause it real quick? (mumbles) just sold the car to carvana. what? all i had to do was answer a couple questions and got a real offer in seconds.
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♪ ♪ ♪ >> 60 years ago tonight, hundreds of thousands of americans of all races marched on washington, calling for equality for black people and fighting against hate. they spoke the words of hope and they saying the music that still transcends. from blowin'in the wind to we shall overcome, those lyrics, just as poignant, struggle just as real. that song, that includes songs inspired by the march as well. soul legend sam cooke was motivated by the crowds, the speech, and the dream. he wrote one of the most iconic civil rights anthems in american history. it's one that's been covered over and over and over again. ♪ ♪ ♪
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♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> i can't hear that song without getting chills. laura, especially today, especially in this week. today, i should say, laura, especially in this week. today, laura, is also the anniversary of the killing of emmett till. it's a heavy week. when you hear that, those words are timeless and we need it now. >> it's so poignant. i'm a huge fan of sam cooke. between "twistin

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