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♪ ♪ ♪ >> i can't hear that song without getting chills. laura, especially today, especially in this week. today, i should say, laura, especially in this week. today, laura, is also the anniversary of the killing of emmett till. it's a heavy week. when you hear that, those words are timeless and we need it now. >> it's so poignant. i'm a huge fan of sam cooke. between "twisting the night
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away." and i think of the spike lee movie. you have the film cue and he is watching somebody move. and they are pulling him along in the streets as he's about to be assassinated. i think of all those different moments. you're right. not only was that the issue. today is also the day that thurgood marshall was sworn in as supreme court justice. an icon and role model like that. unbelievable. >> the echoes of history. have a great show. >> thank you so much. we're going to talk about that later. good evening, everyone. i'm laura coates. frankly, there's one big headline after another tonight. we got the tale of two courtrooms. one's in fulton county, georgia, the other, washington, d.c. and here we are on this 60th anniversary of the march on washington, learning new details about the latest racially motivated shootings in jacksonville. we're going to step back tonight. we're going to examine all with professor michael eric dyson and get his take on the context.
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plus, we'll bring you the latest on the tropical storm threatening the florida coast, as well. we're also going to talk with dominique dawes about when simone biles, now the most decorated gymnast in history. first, i want to introduce two things. january 6th, well, meet march 4th. that's the trial date now set by federal judge tanya chutkan right here in washington, d.c. trump's attempts to kick the can all the way down the road to 2026, everyone, well, it failed today. the judge finding there was no reason they could not be ready within, really, a year. and neither his personal nor his professional life should impact that, even if he is trying to be the head of a separate but co-equal branch of government. that date is interesting for a number of reasons, you history buffs out there. 234 years ago, that same day was the day the constitution went into effect. and now, it's a date when a
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former president of the united states will go on trial for trying to subvert that constitution. it also happens to be the day before super tuesday, when about 12 states will vote on who should be the republican nominee. going forward, it's also exactly about eight months from the general election, one that trump is hoping to get a total of eight years in office if re-elected. that date is not set in stone. trial dates can be pushed back. they can also get moved up, as you know. you know, one way to guarantee maybe it getting moved up, trump's own conduct. we've heard the judge, as chutkan warning that if he tries to intimidate witnesses or tries to poison the jury pool and the well, we might have an even earlier trial date. but either way, trump will have to be off the campaign trip, instead of trial, that might take eight weeks. here in the studio, national security attorney, bradley moss, bill jaffer, who was council to
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george w. bush, and marcus, part of the january 6th committee. i'm glad you're with me today. we'll take the history dates aside. march 4th of 2024, is not 2026. it's obvious. but it's a soon date, considering the fact that, look, you got four trials. this is one of the -- the most consequential. and i want to begin with you. you were on the january 6th investigative council committee, and that notion, the fact it will be march 4th, before super tuesday. before a general election. is that the right call from this judge? >> i think from the very beginning the special counsel set the tone that we're doing a tight indictment here to get the trial fast. and you saw the prosecutors again repeating this notion of, we provided the documents and identified for them for you, in a way that you can see exactly how we substantiate our indictment. to try to get the indictment
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done. it allows the court to have a little slip to the left. if there's pretrial motions that the trump team may file. it allows time and delay. and have this trial in june or july, with the busy calendar ahead. >> you don't think politics, had a little bit of movement. i'm going to clarify. >> thank you. you didn't mean it like that. calm down. it was -- i see you. thank you very much. but thinking about the room you would have to move, you know what trump is saying? election interference. not from his own allegations. but this is the judge trying to interfere with an election. and she doesn't care about his campaign schedule. there's others who have had to prioritize a court hearing, over their personal lives. what do you say about the argument to a judge that you are creating election interference, your honor, if you don't have the trial date after the general election? >> let me know when they slap on the cuffs, would be my response. if the indictment came now and
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the trial happens in 2024, he's going to claim it's election interference. the he loses and runs again, he will claim it will be election interference. any prosecution of this man in his view is election interference because nobody is ever allowed to prosecute donald trump. nobody is allowed to hold accountable donald trump. the only people that can hold him accountable is himself. and no one else is permitted. the idea of holding this in 2026 was preposterous. she gave him more time. that was sufficient. that was reasonable. i thought the government would move too quickly to do january. wasn't enough time for pretrial motions. putting it in march gives you buffer room. i think it gets pushed to summer at this point. i'm certain we have appellate litigation. given what is a straightforward case. >> summer, of course, not the election. and october surprise. i wonder if we get to that point. there was a moment the attorney, john laura, who we heard from
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before, says he doesn't have enough time to get up to speed. here's what the judge said. she pushed back saying any agent, diligent, zealous defense lawyer would not have been sitting on their happeneds waiting for an indictment. is she right? >> absolutely. he should have been prepping for a long time. she's right about that. the problem with setting a trial date, even if it moves back to the summertime, it plays into donald trump's hands. he's going to say election interference. he's going to keep saying, i'm off the campaign trial. i can't campaign effectively. this is a democrat-appointed judge, trying to prevent me from successing. t the judge overseaing the department. this would be a different prosecution if joe biden were running for president, if donald trump weren't running for president, and weren't literally right in the heart of the primary and eventually the general election season. >> yet, there's been many who
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look at this and say, the reason you announced your candidacy, mr. trump, was because you were not necessarily running towards the presidency and running from an indictment. we can quibble if that's true or not. some say he's walking to the presidency rather than running to the presidency. but at the end of the day, when you look at this and think of the consequential nature of this, right? this is somebody who, in the january 6th committee, from liz cheney, to adam kinzinger, and beyond, it was about an ongoing threat. there's an election right around the corner. he's saying this is a politicization of what's happening. are you buying that based on your experience of what you saw with the january 6th committee? >> a quote that stood out to me for the members, laws are just words on paper, unless those that are elected carry them out
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and enforce them and follow them. that's what the investigation has been about. making sure that the elected officials enforce and follow the laws on the books. that's the key to democracy. >> that's the marching orders of the head executive branch of government, right, to enforce the laws. march 4th is one of the many case he has, including civil. we'll talk about that. when you look at the references made to the prosecution. frankly, did i read he had about $7 million the was able to fund raise off of the indictments? >> off of the photograph. >> the photograph alone. >> that crazy photo. >> that's telling for me. is it you, as well, how this might impact how he continues with the defense? he's not saying, i department do it. he is saying, yeah, i did it. next? >> to the contrary, he's succeeding with his base. this is going to draw his base out to vote. in an election where turnout is going to matter a ton, he's getting his base out to vote
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every day this trial goes forward. he's raising more money. this is bad politically for the biden administration. it's a winner for trump. it helps him win re-election. that's a disaster for anybody who thinks that donald trump ought to be in jail. >> wait, there's more. georgia is on our mind, as well. shoutout to ray charles. thinking about we talked about sam cooke. why not add him to the mix? the georgia, fulton county case, there was a hearing involving mark meadows and raffraffensper the phone call, to move that case into the district court of georgia, expanding the jury pool, based on the fact that mark meadows said, i thought this was part of my job. what is your reaction? >> the devil went down to georgia and found the white house chief of staff can do about anything. it doesn't matter if there's laws on the books. if there's policy.
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he wants the make calls about nothing with the presidency. i'm just doing my work as a federal employee. it would be a complete e vis raof what is and is not your role as an officer. he had any number of responsibilities to serve the president in that capacity. nothing tied to the campaign would have been within that scope. nothing tied to campaign litigation would have been in that scope. the federal government, the executive branch is excluded from these parts of the process of deciding who won the presidency. there's no role for the white house there. >> i was just happy that mark meadows testified today. that's something we didn't get on the january 6th committee. going back to the evidentiary hearing. it wasn't an issue of facts. it was an issue of interpretation of law. you have the mark meadows said, saying there's broad powers of the scope of chief of staff. and you have the litigators saying it was a call of raffensperger. it's what is an official duty
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and a political act and whether the court draws that line. there was no issue of fact here. how the court interprets the law. >> the court did not rule today. whether it's a successful claim, we have to see. four lawyers walk into the studio. bradley moss, jamil, marcus, thank you, everyone. we never said anything like we're talking about today. a former president facing a total of 91 charges in 4 criminal cases in 4 different jurisdictions, 2 federal, 2 state cases. all that while he's in the middle of running for a second term. trump's many calendar conflicts and what it means is next. how can you sleep on such a firm setting? gab, mine is almost the same as yours. almost is just another word for not as good as mine.
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district court in washington, d.c., the district court in florida and new york state supreme court. if that's not enough for you, a civil case in new york. it could play out over the next eight months. october 23rd, fani willis wants to bring jump and 18 other co-defendants to trial. they will have to defend trump against charges of a criminal steam and enterprise to overturn the 2020 election in georgia. making false statements and other charges, as well. flash forward to march. tanya chutkan today set the date of the federal trial for march 4th. that's one day before supersuze. trump's lawyers wanted an april 26th trial. trump slapped down and said you can't have two more years. attorneys will defend trump against charges of attempting to
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overthrow the 2020 election. at today's hearing, they called the prosecution political and says a 2024 trial date is absurd. that's before super tuesday when voters cast their ballots. on march 25th, that same month, you have the hush money trial in new york. those stem from alvin bragg's investigation of hush money payments to stormy daniels, who allegedly had an affair with trump. his legal team are going to have to defend the former president against charges that he was part of a legal conspiracy to undermine the integrity of the 2016 election. now, prosecutors are also alleging that he was part of an unlawful plan to suppress negative information, including a $130,000 payment. now, let's go to florida. there, a federal judge set may
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20th as the scheduled trial date for trump, in a case charges him with illegally retaining hundreds of classified materials. his attorneys are todd blanche. you're hearing that name again. chris cris and lindsay halligan. if that holds, we would be deep in the presidential calendar for the run. and a $250 million civil trial in new york, brought by letitia james. that's set for october 22nd, 2023. she's alleging fraud by trump, his oldest children and his companies. wait, there's more. on january 15th of 2024, a manhattan federal judge said that trump is going to go on trial in a defamation lawsuit brought by writer e. jean carroll. that's for a second time. joining me now judge glenda
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hatchett. so glad to see you today. i got to tell you, i'm damn near out of breath going through all of the different trials that this man has in front of him. not to mention, of course, the big trial of trying to be the president of the united states again. have y ever seen anything close to this scope this, high-profile nature to these face? >> absolutely not. i was sitting here thinking as you were going through all of those, this is such a situation that we've never seen ever. and so, it's almost like a jigsaw puzzle. this case is going to go over. and the reality is, any one of those cases. let's talk about the federal case in d.c. and the fulton county cases. those cases alone, particularly in fulton county, it will take weeks, if not months, to even
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find a jury. and we're seeing that in a rico case now in fulton county. when you look at the calendar and you're trying to mesh all of the pieces together, the reality is, how will this ever get done in the timetable? not to mention the jury selection. then, you've got to realize that these cases will not happen in a matter of a few days. these cases will go on for weeks. if not months. so, i think we see a lot of different adjustments on the calendars. the judge in d.c. has been clear this is not going to happen in 2026. and eat's going to happen in march of 2024. i think that we're going to see that happen. i think we're going to see that date hold fairly close to that. and d.a. willis, i think, is interesting. she's called their bluff. they say they want a speedy
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trial. not only will i give you a speedy trial, i'll up the ante and we'll have a date in october. you have to be careful what you ask for. >> careful what you wish for because you might get it. the speedy trial right applies to defendants in georgia. there's a shorter time frame. you heard me say, leading up to the conversation, judge hatchett, the idea of the repeat attorneys. the idea of trying to coordinate. the idea of trying to say, listen, your honor, i won jurisdiction. you have to cut me slack because i have another case and another. the judges don't want to coordinate and juggle your schedule. my mom says your emergency has not become my emergency. there was a moment, judge, where trump posted on truth social he's going to appeal at least judge chutkan's decision of having the march 2024 date. any leg to stand on of a judge setting a trial date? >> absolutely not.
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that's nonsense. it's just blowing smoke and a delay tactic. that cannot happen. you cannot appeal her decision about setting a trial date. you cannot. it won't happen. it simply won't happen. >> how about the coordination -- judge chutkan says she spoke with the judge overseeing judge's criminal case in manhattan. that's set for march. >> march. >> the idea of a march date in new york, at the state level, and the march date in the federal court in washington, d.c., does that mean that the federal trial and that conversation would have said, look, i'm going to have to flex the idea of being a federal judge and you'll have to reschedule your date? or do they go the same month and that's it? >> i don't think they go the same month. i would think that the manhattan d.a. would concede they let the federal judge go first on this. if i were in her situation, i would flex my muscles. i have this date. this is going to happen.
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we need to have this happen. and the most compelling case, from my perspective, the one in d.c. and the one in fulton county. frankly, i think those should take precedent. it's not my decision. it will be interesting to see how this works out. i think that people have to understand that it's going to take forever to strike juries in these cases. and these cases are not simple cases. they will go on for a very, very long time. i think it's also interesting. i had to tell you that i -- i don't mean to chuckle about this. but everybody thinks and talkeds about pardons. i have to say, in georgia, there's no such thing. there's no such thing as getting out of jail free. i've been watching what's happening in federal court and meadows and perhaps clark and trump will follow. you can't get pardoned. the governor can no longer do that. that was changed in the 1940s.
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you have to serve your sentence in georgia in five years has to lapse before you can even ask for a pardon. if they don't get removed, it will be an interesting thing. in full disclosure, fani considers me a mentor. i've been encouraging her. she is doing an amazing job. when she's ready in october, you can bet she will be ready. >> you've been mentoring her on this case? >> just generally. >> you haven't spoken about this case, in particular? >> i reach out for encouragement. we have not talked about this case. >> important to know. just to clarify for the audience, there is pardon rights in georgia. it's just that this would not be a federal pardonable offense if removed according to what happens. it would still be a state law implicated in georgia. it would go to a pardon board and you have to wait for five
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years to qualify in georgia in that realm. one more point, the fact that we're at a point it's a decision of if alvin bragg's case goes first, in manhattan or jack smith's case in washington, d.c., wasn't that the first question everyone raised with alvin bragg of why should his case go first? now, it's not going to go first. judge glenda hatchett, thank you so much. >> good to see you. >> there's multiple counties, as well, everyone, under evacuation orders tonight. look at the screen. you have thousands of national guard members deployed. a brand-new forecast with the storm on florida. it takes place right after this.
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there's a major storm bearing down on the west coast of florida. officials are warning that it could make landfall as a category 3 hurricane, bringing catastrophic winds, heavy rain and flooding. multiple counties are now under evacuation orders. and thousands of national guard members have already been
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deployed. karen maginnis is in the cnn weather center with a new forecast that's just come in. karen, what's the latest? >> thanks so much. we are continuing to watch this tropical storm. now, the last advisory came in just about 30 minutes ago. it still keeps idalia at about 70 miles per hour. it is situated over the yucatan strait. it is rapidly going to be pushing into the gulf of mexico. from there, it will push towards the north and the northeast. the time to make plans, to get your things in order, medicines, items for children, what should you do should there be a storm surge. right now, there's evacuations for zones "a", the most qcriticl and prone to flooding. the commuter models are in agreement. they are suggesting this will make landfall in the big bend of florida. any change in the trajectory and
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that's going to impact the more pencely ly densely populated area, tampa, naples, and to the south, ft. myers, florida. by tuesday evening, this will be a category 2 hurricane. off the coast of florida, not making a direct impact on tampa. but certainly is going to kick up the waves there. going to be a rip current. we're going to see showers and thunderstorms. just before landfall, we are anticipating it will mushroom into a category 3 hurricane. we'll keep you updated. >> thank you so much. please do. we have a community shaken to its core after three people were shot to death by a gunman in jacksonville, florida. a gunman hell-bent on killing black people. taking a step back. professor michael eric dyson.
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the city of jacksonville is reeling from a rampage being investigated as a hate crime. a white gunman targeted black people, shooting and killing three victims at a dollar general store this saturday. the victims have now been identified. they are 52-year-old michelle carr, 19-year-old a.j.laguerre jr., and 22-year-old jerald gallion. this as people gathered for the dr. king "i have a dream speech" and spoke of a just and equitable america. while meeting with civil rights leaders and family members of dr. king at the white house, president biden warned against the rise of extremism. >> we can't let hate prevail. it's on the rise. there's a group of extreme people trying to erase history. >> i want to bring in
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distinguished professor of vanderbi vanderbilt divinity school, michael eric dyson. i ask you to step back with me for a moment. how do you see the confluence of all these events? >> it's great to be on with you. it's an extraordinary moment. i had the great honor to speak at the 60th anniversary march on saturday. it was remarkable. think about it. dr. king stood at the sunlit summit of expectation in august 28th, 1963, as a 34-year-old man, and echoed across the century and into our own, a demand for justice rooted deeply in the american dream. at that point, he was anreinvend himself and the nation in him. to think that march was held on
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the eighth anniversary, the original march, of the murder of emmett till, a young teenage boy in chicago, illinois, visiting his relatives in mississippi. who was murdered for the crime, supposedly, for glancing at a white woman and whistling at her. though that's been denied. when you think about the march and emmett till, you think of jacksonville, florida, where a man with lethal intent, went to murder back people. starting at edwards waters college, and was rebuffed. and went to a dollar store, seeking black flesh. not to emancipate but to destroy. we're living with white supremacy in our own culture. until we are able to face it sq squarely, we will not be able to get rid of the shadow of the horrible sensation. in by saying this, the governor of florida, said this guy was a scumbag. he talked about the fact this
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was unacceptable. no, governor. you are fueling and feeding the deepest animus against blackness. the anti-blackness through our culture. and sometimes it flares up and flashes in acts of hate and destruction that we saw the other day. he and the rest of us must check ourselves to make sure we are not contributing to a worsening situation. >> he would disagree with that aspect of it. he appeared at a vigil. he was heckled and booed in that crowd, likely for the reasons you articulated here today. it occurs to me, while you were talking, there was a moment -- how does one given the fact that woke culture, so to speak, has been attacked. how racism is taught in classrooms in florida. i wonder how, right now, a student body would learn about this moment in jacksonville,
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florida. one could not likely learn about the hate crime that took place in florida, given the tensions on how one can teach about race in america in florida. >> that's brilliantly or tick l articulated. why? because he stated when he signed that, quote, anti-woke bill, i'm not anti-you teaching the slavery. i don't want you to call a relationship between the past and the present. what we saw manifest in jacksonville, florida, was the haunted past, asserting itself with lethal intensity in our present. the bigotry and the hatred of a young white man. not an elderly man. a young, white man. that means the pathology of racism is producing itself with frightening frequency. we wouldn't be able to talk about it or speak about it. he doesn't want to make, our children, white children,
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uncomfortable. there's no true education without discomfort. unless you're uncomfortable with your ignorance, you will never learn. instead of learning the so-called skills that enslaved people learn, talk about the skills that people need to be woke. why are people addicted to being asleep? there was no greater punishment for black people than oversleeping. now, they want us to go back to sleep. they want to ban black books, black bodies and black brains. this is a trauma unless we address it directly. and the governor, i think, is on the wrong side of history. >> there was a poll that found that racial equality is a work in progress. 52% of americans say there's been progress on racial equity in the last 60 years. 52% is a failing grade, is it not? a lot more work to be done. i want to tap into you as an ordained minminister.
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to come full-circle to you speaking on saturday. what gives you hope for the future? what kind of change do you see when you look and hope to get there with us? >> this is the 50th anniversary of hip-hop and the 60th anniversary of the march on washington. five years of martin luther king was murdered, an artform took d. a culture e emergencied. and look people who were desperate for equality became the most powerful artform we've ever imagined. you would say, what does jay-z or lil wayne or drake have to do with the dream of martin luther king jr. and hope? i believe no matter how far we are oppressed, if we join agent as american citizens, as a culture to determine that what we face will not determine our
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traj trajectory, we will move. you can have a choice, either you are a victim of an event or a prisoner of hope. choose to be a prisoner of hope. i refuse to believe this great country cannot deliver on its promises if we put the elbow grease in and the determination to move forward. >> you made the intersection of hip-hop and what happened. i'm going to paraphrase. you're not just an education man. you're an education, man. nice to talk to you, as always. michael eric dyson, everyone. thank you. >> thank you very kindly. >> i'll make it stick. thank you so much. everyone, coming up, the greatest of all-time, simone biles, winning a record eighth u.s. gymnastics title and changing the entire culture of that sport. gold medalist dominique dawes is
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it's never been done before. simone biles making history. the four-time olympic gold medalist won her eighth all-around title at the u.s. gymnastics championships just yesterday. an incredible accomplishment in a career full of incredible accomplishments. coming just two years after she pulled out of several events, suffering from the twistties, a mental block causing a gymnast to lose track of their positions in midair. joining me now is u.s. olympic gold medalist dominique dawes.
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i'm so incredibly thrilled to have her on the program. i have been a fan for years. we all are and are to this very die. i'm so excited to have you here. and your expertise to celebrate simone biles. my daughter is just starting gymnastics. and my heart is racing when she does anything. i look to someone like simone biles and to you, and i think, how in the world can you do these difficult routines? talk to me about how difficult this really is. >> very. very difficult. i was in the sport of gymnastics for 18 years. to see what simone is doing these days, gives me goosebumps. it makes me think about my olympic pursuits, making it to three different olympic games. she's on track to make it to the 2024 olympic games in paris. as you experience with your daughter, it's a grind.
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the physical commitment, the emotional toll and the social aspect. i give it to simone. she's the best she's been. she's only going to get better. it's a delight for myself as a mother of four, to have her as a role model for my little kids. >> it's incredible to think of that journey she's had. and you know how invested one has to be. unlike the team sports, gymnastics is individual. it's the weight of the world on your shoulders. and the decisions you make to make sure you are safe, no one else gets to decide that but you. two summers ago in tokyo, she suffered from the twisties. how significant is that and how do you overcome it? >> she went through a trying time at the 2021 olympic games. what i love about her story is, it didn't end there. we don't want to have the mentality that we step out of the game.
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what we need to see in simone, she's stepping back into the game. she's now facing her fears. watching her interviews following championships, she's doing it for herself. she lives a full life. she is a businesswoman. she's a wife. and by the way, she is training for her third olympic games and doing an amazing job. >> there's a moment she talked about after winning her latest. he said i'm going to keep my goals personal to myself. the why you're doing something. the pressure will only increase with each historic moment that she achieves. how do you cope with that idea of being alone in that moment, representing a sport, representing history, and then, possibly, if she does this again, the nation? >> yes. she's about to be the third
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olympic gymnast to qualify for three olympic games. i was the second. you can tell, 23 years later, it hasn't been done. she's going to do that on her own terms. i would be remisin not saying that the culture in gymnastics is a healthier culture. i started my own academy to be part of the positive change. i have one in maryland and opened my second in rockville, maryland. and looking at future locations down the road. simone has been a part of the positive culture change. you can see her on the floor smiling, celebrating herself, celebrating her teammates. that's not something that was allowed back in the '90s during my era. she is a part of the positive change. that's why i think she's going to continue to thrive. >> our very best wishes to you. i know you will thrive in all that you do. you caontinue to be a champion, for many reasons, as an entrepreneur and for the team of
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gymnastics and the sport in and after itself. she's 26 years old. and i read things like, and she's the oldest gymnast ever. i'm thinking, wait a second. i'm sorry. not the oldest ever, but why is that the age? >> i think being a three-time olympian myself. i was 23 at my last olympic games. i was on arthritic medication that i needed to get off of because it was going to damage my kidneys. it's hard. it's grueling, the physical toll. the commitment, the dedication, the emotional toll, the mental toll. as i even mentioned earlier, the social toll. like, i'm not, by any means, is simone biles not one-dimensional. she's married and a businesswoman. for many gymnasts, when you're in the grind, that's all you do. that was my life. i lived in a leotard. i would have friends that wore leotards. that's all i did. the culture changing in the sport. we embrace athletes that want to
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play multiple sports. i embrace the gymnastics being great for a healthy foundation for that multisport athlete. i have four beautiful kids. all four of them do gymnastics. but will they become gymnasts? no. absolutely not. i have them in the sport because i truly believe that it's the strongest foundation that you can give your child. you don't have the burn them out along the way. they're going to play soccer, lacrosse, diving, baseball, tennis and golf. you name it. that's how the sport of gymnastics now has changed. people realize, you don't have to be this highly competitive athlete to be considered a gymnast. you can get into it and learn the beautiful fundamentals. >> wow. amazing to think. you should know, obviously, if you don't already, what a role model you remain for many in and out of the sport. the tenacity, the dedication, the drive and the ambition and the multidimensionality. thank you for all you have done. my daughter approached her one day, out of the blue at a
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