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>> thank you. so much. for joining us tonight. happy labor day weekend to everyone and also more importantly, happy college football kickoff weekend for all of those who celebrate and of course roll tide. prime time with abby phillip adds right now. >> kaitlan, i have absolutely nothing to add to that conversation but good luck to you. have a good evening. i'm abby phillip. tonight are some of donald trump's co-defendants already turning on one another. the move that is raising eyebrows. also in moments steven a. smith will join me on age limentsdz for lawmakers. who he says the democrats should think about as an alternative to biden. first, he is the proud boy who breached the capital on january

6th. and the titch of the spear of that -- tip of the spear. dominic pezzola, before he learned his fate he begged the judge for mercy saying he was done the request politics. then moments after sentence, he yelled, "trump won"cy understood the crooment. it is also worth noting. pezzola's wife called him a, quote, f-ing idiot who watched news before the attack. >> i want to bring in former january 6th investigative counsel, marcus childress. thank you for joining us. it is very interesting we saw several of these sentences carrieouthis week and several of these defendants

begged for mercy. they wanted to see their kids again. they begged for leniency. yet pezzola, once the judge didn't give him that, turned around and said, trump won, is in a reprieve from jail sentences? >> when we were conducting interviews of these proud boys, one thing we noticed was they had unwavering support for the president. that's why they came on january 6th. he talked about how president trump exploited the violence but the proud boys were the foot soldiers of the violence. they were the tip of the spear, it's hard to distinguish whether they actually feel remorse but for our interactions with people who attended the capital on january 6th including the proud boys, they have unwavering support. >> what do you make of the sentences though? i mean some of the guidelines, actually called nor much longer

sentences. the prosecutors in some cases asked for decades. they are getting 17 and 18 years, which are some of the longest sentences hand he out in general. can you explain to us why these sentences are so lengthy for what they're accused of doing? >> but for the proud boys i don't think we see riders at the foot of the steps, after president trump was finished speaking. they are responsible for the breach of the fence at the p circle. we saw a lot of proud boys breaking down the fences so the riders could get on the steps. we see proud boys on the east sigh of the capital leading that breach as well. they are responsible for the most egregious violence that day. they are the foot soldiers, that's why we see the longest sentences handed down. >> the judge kind of addressed this to some extent too, suggesting they were trying to

undermine the foundation of our society and that alone carries some weight here. >> we showed the clip of dominic pezzola smoking a cigar in the capitol later. folks came to stop the lawful transfer of power and making sure that president biden didn't assume office. >> i want to ask you about some of the elements of the georgia election interference case. early trial from the other co-defendants sydney powell, another trump election lawyer if you can call them that. what do you make of that move? some people have suggested he doesn't want to get tied up with sydney powell because believe it or not, sydney powell may be even more out there than he is. >> i think you nailed it on the head. the one thing very clear is mr. cheesebro doesn't want

anything to do with mr. powell. if they are presented in trial together. the key here to take too step back, if i'm a prosecutor presenting unfair evidence against mr. cheeseboro, it is unfairness here. i don't think his argument reaches the burden he needs to reach. he put forth the fake elector scheme, it was only valid in his mind because of the election fraud that ms. powell was going around the state of georgia talking about. so under this criminal enterprise, under this conspiracy, i'm not sure how he can make the argument that he will be unfairly prejudiced the case against ms. powell. >> that is tricky maneuvering, one reason why 19 of these folks it is going to be really difficult for them to disentangle them from each other.

marcus childress thank you. >> thank you for having me. >> calling mitch mcconnell to step down over his age. this time it's not just coming from democrats but instead within his own party. >> right now the senate is the most privileged nursing home in the country. mitch mcconnell has done somee great things and he deserves credit but you have to know when to leave. >> and just this week, mcconnell troughs when he was answering -- froze when he was answering questions of reporters from kentucky. this is the second time we've seen this from the 81-year-old this summer. it is reigniting debates over age limits in washington and politics. stephen smith joins me now, steven good to see you, thank you for coming on. >> good to see you. >> you talk about this, in addition to talking about this you also had on a young up and

coming, you know, figure in the political world david hogg. >> yes. >> if you were to look at the state of washington, the candidates that we have, do you think that there should be a requirement for people to step down and at what age should that be? >> i don't think age should have anything to do with it. but i do believe when you are looking at somebody whose health is clearly debilitating to some degree you are living in a society where those folks are supposed to be revering and honoring the elderly but that is when they are willing to step away if they know that they are dare i say as sharp as they used to be. what we are finding right now is people are pushing them front and center because we have younger representatives who can't gain any traction, can't seem to ingratiate them selfs to an audience, where they are tragd as individuals who should be put to the forefront.

what i was speaking when i was talking about my podcast, some would argue that president joe biden is doing an outstanding job, obviously folks on if right would think otherwise. okay if you are on the right you are quick to bring up every little thing about president biden. but you're going to ignore what you're seeing here? you captain ition nor it and in the case of the left when you are looking at joe biden, i'm saying to myself, okay listen this guy has been -- he's been around for a very, very long sometime. he was a senator for decades. we get all of that. we know who joe biden is. the flip side is by knowing who he is we also know that he is not what he used to be. and if you call yourself a progressive a liberal, and you are relying on an 82-year-old which is how old he will be at the time that it is time for him to run for reelection, what does it say about your party that you're depending on him?

in order to win an election? that to me is problematic and i thought it needed to be said. >> well it's on both sides, both the voters who are voting, older people into office and the father that's keeping them in those positions. >> yes. >> nicky haley has been going after president biden on the age thing but she has also proposed this mental exens test for politicians over 75. do you agree with that idea? >> yes i really do. if you are saying there is a standard that needs to be met and it is applicable to all on both sides of the aisle i'm all for it. we certainly want people that are co-jebt enough and alert enough in a position to handle their business. we are talking about a position that requires them to run the country, the comarchedder in chief for crying out loud. you are talking about tax reform, you're talking about education you're talking about

immigration, there is a plethor- >> shouldn't there be a mental competency test for all of them? >> i'm saying it is a standard. i'm only speaking to the standard. i'm saying no one should be ostracized and no one should be immune from having to be subjected to the same standards. if there is a job, any job that you point to out there, it is a requirement that comes with it. you can't just walk on the air and be abby phillips. consume this excuse me, tho has done, philadelphia enquirer, there is a requirement that you have to meet certain things regardless of the profession. why should the president of the united states be any different? i have no problem with that. >> speaking of tests and requirements and since we have you here, vivek ramaswamy, who

is also running in this republican field he is proamg a constitutional amendment who will require that young people 18 to 21 years old have to pass a sirvegz test or pass six months in the military to even vote, is that fair? >> no, no, excuse my language, hell no. this is america and the reality of the situation last time i checked there isn't a draft taking place to compel you to serve your country. it would be nice for everyone to want to do it but you have the freedom to do otherwise. as far as i'm concerned to have a constitutional amendment that requires you to serve in that capacity, a capacity that he deems fitting i think is a bit self serve being at this particular moment in time because he is an individual that is obviously running for the presidency of the united states. i'm scheduled to interview him in a matter of days. i'm glad you brought that up because i'm going to ask him about that.

>> very interesting.g. >> i certainly don't agree with that. i certainly don't agree with that but i understand why he's doing it because there are folks voters on the right that that's going to -- that's going to sway them to some degree and right now w i think we're living in an age where we see politicians particularly on the campaign trail you'll be willing to say whatever will cover your votes. i don't know him, i've never met him i've never talked to him but the bottom line is i feel it very, very difficult to believe you would just come out your mouth and say something like that as a potential elected official in the year twri 23 unless you think it would work favorably for you getting votes. >> and steven a you stand by, you have an alternative candidate other than joe biden. we'll talk about that and a bit of a split screen brewing this as governor ron desantis

denies meeting with president biden tomorrow, and the back and forthwith desantis over posing this question on the campaign trail. >> do you believe that trump violated the peaceful transfer of power, a key principle of american democracy that we must uphold? >> are you in high school? >> yes. yo u

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age in politics a conversation becoming all too common on both the right and the left. if president biden would win reelection that would make him 82 when he starts his second term. now some folks are floating alternative candidates to run on the democratic ticket. i want to bring steven a. back. going back to this biden issue, you actually mentioned the california governor gavin newsom as an alternative for democrats. why? >> well, in all honesty i've never been that big a fan of gavin newsom, he knows this. he's very smart, very alert, i get that, i'm allergic with all those taxes in california. the state of california invents ways to stay money from you. as a registered democrat who

tends to vote republican come election time, here's the thing, i'm looking at former president donald trump and his base and i'm seeing folks ton right who are elected officials regardless what they want to say they are cap itchish -- cappish lating to him. , the reality is he did receive 73 or 74 million votes so when i look at from that it from that perspective i'm saying okay if there is any kind of wiggle room when it comes to biden and deciding to go against that grain who knows if there man avoids woig all of those charges against him and what he's able to pull off. i'm looking for a democratic candidate that can articulate himself forcefully and fearsfully against the right in an articulate fashion that can gather a level of support that it's going to take to ensure that the democrat remains in the white house for the next four

years come 2024. i know that biden would get my vote over donald trump. you can bet the house on that. but i do find myself concerned at times looking at the climate that we're living in. seeing him gain traction, not lose it with desantis, with ramaswamy, with nicky haley, with asa hutchinson. on and on, tim scott, i'm watching him continue to separate himself from that pack. and i'm getting concerned that if you find anything that could be problematic for biden as in hunter biden or anything else who knows what can tip the scales, that concerns me. you want somebody forceful and articulate enough to fight that fight and i think gavin newsom is coming across as somebody capable of doing that. >> that's interesting, we have talked a lot about that on this show. you're an independent but you

vote perhaps largely democratic. >> 95% of the time democratic yes. >> there is a debate what to do here. the idea it is biden and probably everyone is happy is not the reality within that party. but steven before you go, i wanted to ask you about this. one of your competitors, skim bay skip bayless, your show crushed him in the ratings. there were a lot of talk about dominating the air waves on bayless's show. >> listen i wouldn't be where i am today were it not for skip bayless giving me the 28 way in 2012. he's a brother and i'm grateful for the opportunity he gave me. michael irvin is a friend of

mine. michael irvin and keyshaun johnson are of friend of one another. skip bayless and undisputed they do what they do at f smpletd 1 i do what i do at first take. he departed in 2016, we've better than number 1, he was gone from 2016 to 2023. we still first take still remains number 1 and as far as i'm concerned as long as i'm on this show we're going to stay number one because i don't play to lose. so knock on wood who knows what's going to happen god has blessed me and molly and all the producers and all the honchos at espn to be number 1 but abby phillips i don't play to lose, i'm here to win. i'm not rooting against skip bayless and all the others, i don't want them to fail i want them to be in perpetually in

second place and i aim for them to be exactly that in anything that i do. it's just that simple to me. >> and that's that. on that. i hear you. you can catch sterch on espn and youtube, sterch a. smith thank you so much for joining us tonight. >> thank you so much for having me. good luck on the good work you've doing. thank you so very much. >> thank you. and up next, president biden says he is meeting with ron desantis and his team tomorrow but desantis says no. donald trump has advice for his opponents, vivek ramaswamy. >> get a little careful. i need it cool at night.

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>> up the welcome mat. florida governor ron desantis's office is says, he will not be meeting with president biden. the opposite, 90 desantis office claims that this is about security and that those scushtd precautions would slow down the recovery efforts. but a white house official tells cnn tonight that desantis did not raise those concerns when he spoke with biden on thursday. joining me now is republican strait jig michael singleton and maria cardona and marie barone lopez. what do you think of this, this is the time to put politics

aside, chris christie having a particular moment, but when you talk about a storm like this desantis this appears to be a political move. >> it appears to be that way because just a year ago last october when hurricane ian struck, when president biden arrived held a press conference beside hymn, said they don't agree all the time but they would put that aside and work together and chris christie is another example where he even pushed back republican criticism in 2012 and 2013, said president obama worked with me well and they are playing politics. >> hurricane ian, the image coming out of that with president biden being chmy and desantis being out there himself, that was not a great image for desantis.

it makes me wonder, there it is, it is a medium now, makes me wonder if they are trying to avoid a second run of that. >> i'm sure they are but i think what it does is it focuses on how feety and how juvenile i think this makes desantis look especially because it is such a contrast with his doing it in the wake of hurricane ian and i think that made both leaders look good. it made both leaders look exactly like they were doing their job, putting politics aside making sure the well-being and the recovery of the state was first and foremost. this makes desantis look like he is failing, flailing, insecure and nervous about what any kind of image next to president biden would do for his political campaign. that is not putting his constituents first. >> i want to switch gears first, there is ron desantis and probably the only candidate getting as much attention right

now is vivek ramaswamy. here is what donald trump who has actually been supercomplimentary of ramaswamy, here is what he said with glen beck earlier this week. >> a little bit careful, have to hold in just a little bit, right? got a lot of good energy, and he's been very nice to me. >> very nice. i mean trump, with compliments. >> what should we make of this? >> i don't think much of it. i've said this for a long time. if trump views ramaswamy as a threat i guarantee donald trump will focus on ramaswamy. >> that was a little bit of a warning be careful here buddy you're kind of getting into my lane but i will say this abby, i think vivek is doing well in the

debates in part because he is saying things that republican voters want to hear. but i think in terms of what lane he is going to get and whether or not he has enough support to win in iowa or new hampshire i don't northwesterly see that. and another question that really hasn't come up again is with evangelicals. we haven't spoken about vivek's faith william where does that lie with republican voters and when that comes up how will he respond? >> after the debate the polls have shown including in iowa that evangelicals in that state are squarely in trump's corner and the majorities of iowa caucus voters, primary voters are in trump's corner still. i don't think that ramaswamy has seen any type of substantial surge since that debate despite did facts that he's been getting a lot of attention and incoming from other candidates because he has only gone up by about four percentage points which puts him double digits behind the former

president. >> unfavorability rating actually dropped after the debate. >> his unfavor ability -- >> he is exciting and energetic. will any of these actually work? i don't think they will. >> before you jump in just to that point. there is a new york times op ed piece, if u stened to more than five minuteof ramaswamy's commentary you will immediatel note that he is exceptionally feigning ignorance of public affairs. french is saying he is loud but he is wrong. >> he was wrong by so many of the things that he talked about in the debate and to me it was scarily wrong. first of all he talked about if he was mike pence he would

passed a law. it was like does this guy even know how government works? the fact of the matter is you saw lots of polls of women saying this guy hates women. the things he was talking about, the conspiracy theories, the incredibly extremist ideas, i think are going to put him on a path to trarchgly i think he was trying out for vice president. because he was clearly talking about things that made him a complete mini trump. >> people should pass a civics test to vote yet he is unaware of his constitutional duties of vice president? >> i don't think he would pass that test. >> i don't think so either. >> real quick though last word. is some of this a ploy? the climate agenda is fake but he doesn't say climate change is fake. is he just trying to play word games and make people hear what they need ohear? >> he is winking and nodding.

former president trump has called climate change a hoax. he is wing winking and nodding to voters, you winning them over time for early primary contest. >> all the knives are absolutely out for him which is a really fascinating aspect of this campaign. thank you all very much. and up next for us a 15-year-old student now at the center of a back and forthwith ron desantis after asking him a tough question at a town hall. that student will join me live next. plus, the decades-old audio tapes from princess diana that reveal what she really thought about the drama within the royal family. >> it was so grown up and here was diana, to teach, it washere! was diana, to teach, it washere! oh, he's straight ahead. he's straight ahead. straight ahead. go go go.

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>> there's a teenager on the campaign trail who's been asking tough questions of all the candidates. he is 15-year-old quinn mitchell and he's been doing it for years actually. his exchanges are normally welcomed by people he's interviewing, that is until this summer. now he's incidents that have come after this moment in new hampshire. >> do you believe that trump violated the peaceful transfer of power, a key principle of american democracy that we must uphold? >> are you in high school? >> yes. >> why do you go to school do you go around here? >> vermont but i live in new hampshire. >> okay from vermont. thank you for the question, here's what i know.. if this election is about biden's failures, and our vision for the future, we are going to win. if it's about relitigating

things that happened two, three years ago, we're going to lose. >> and since then, quinn says that he's had physical interactions with desantis's team. that he has been blocked from any further interaction with the governor. cnn has reached out to desantis's campaign and superpac and asked for comment but we have not heard back however quinn mitchell joins me now. quinn thank you for being here. >> thank you so much. how are you doing? >> i'm great. i remember that moment because it pretty distinctly caught my attention. whatat caught my attention also was desantis didn't really answer your question. what do you make of the fact that he seemed to struggle there with that question that you asked him? >> i mean it's concerning because this is a question he should -- you know saw coming from a mile away. it's a very simple question about january 6th and he needed to articulate an opinion. because it is on a lot of voters minds. and he should have been sitting with his advisors for months

wondering a how are we going to dodge this or how do woe answer that. you physically intimidate a teenage are in order to not being asked questions. >> walk us through these interactions you have had with the governor's security. what happened? >> yeah so after my first encounter with him june twreft i went to a july 4th parade for him and listen he got -- chris christie yelled at him on tv, i felt a little bad about him, maybe he didn't have a chance to answer it. i wanted to give him a platform to answer it. i was met with glares, i was pulled away and surrounded by security, i was told not to move for five minutes, what i was going on, it was definitely physical intimidation. my next interview with him, i was met with intimidation. snap chat caption got the kid, got our kid. it's concerning to me. it's a restriction to tree

speech. it i is very concerning, they ae willing to go to that extent to shut down a very simple about january 6th. >> did you reach out to ron desantis and hear back there him? >> i don't have a context for that, i wish i did. after the parade i expected some sort of apology. in new hampshire doesn't play to voters. they want you to answer questions and their going to get mad if you don't answer question. i'm not out here looking for an apology but it is definitely concerning to me. >> one of the reports said that the governor's wife casey desantis talked to your family and suggested that you were lying about all of this. what's your message, to also desantis -- to mrs. desantis? >> i think it's concerning. i didn't personally hear it. i heard my mom say that is not okay over and over again. i think desantis should get to

the bottom of that we obviously know what happened the next event. again it's extremely concerning to me. i just felt this story needed to be shared. >> you said you're not looking for an apology but if one was received i mean would you think that that was appropriate? >> um probably yeah, i've never been one for personal attacks and i don't want this to evolve in a rather bad fight between me and desantis. yeah i think i would accept a personal apology. yes. >> you can continue. but what? >> yeah i mean, i think i would be looking -- not really looking for a personal apology. but it's definitely concerning to me that they did go to that extent. and i'm not looking for a food fight here. that's the last thing i want. i just want to really respect new hampshire voters that get that opportunity to ask those questions and yeah.

>> that's the new hampshire tradition. you are -- >> it is yes. >> you are getting a head start on that.t. you are not even old enough to vote yet you oar self described independent also, you have heard from a lot of republicans in the field so far who is catching your attention who is standing out to you and your peers? >> yes definitely. obviously we see candidates like chris christie and vivek ramaswamy doing very well, they are going around the state taking questions, meeting voters after events. when candidates don't do that, listen, stump speech only goes so much. people in new hampshire really value their time with candidates and be able to ask hard hitting questions on their minds. when that doesn't go well, i think chris christie is will do well in new hampshire, independent faction, also vivek ramaswamy is going all around the state and taking questions, encouraging debates, also nikki

haley as well. i think new hampshire values its retail politician. >> i'm a big fan of tough questions too quinn, i think you've done a good job so far, thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you so much. >> and 26 years since princess diana's death, new audio recordings that she taped in the 1990s were just released and what they reveal about prince harry's birth will surprising. harry's birth will surprising. >> harry's christening, charles went u p to mommy and said he wan disappointed it ought to be a girl, and mommy snapped his hea. off. here we go! (vo) it's time to push your limits. (man) okay. (woman) you're doing great! (man) oh, is that a buffalo? (woman) babe, that's a cow. (vo) the all-new subaru crosstrek wilderness.

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>> the story surrounding the birth of rock 'n' roll have long

been dominated by straight white icons like elvis and the beatles. but little richard i am everything are revealing the black queer origination of rock 'n' origin of the of rock 'n' roll. >> we plead two or three a day. >> remember in the 1950s there is legal segregation. black kids are not ability to listen to music in the samee spaces at white kids. >> black and white musicians were note allowed to flay together. >> one night for white and the next flight nor african american. >> but the white kids would come to the black kids concert too. >> around joining me now is david fear, he is the senior editor and film critic at

rolling stone. david, it is hard to imagine just how huge little richard was at the peak much his career. how did that happen that he could become such a major star in the south in the 1950s? >> i think this is a question that any fan of little richard and any amateur historian looks at and go, how did this happen? i don't understand. i think in a lot of ways because his persona challenged all these ideas of gender nonconformity and race and masculinity, in a way because he was so flamboyant, he could get away with this stuff. he seemed harmless in a way. rock 'n' roll looked at as a novelty and he was part of that fortunately novelty. the only problem was that he was an artist and incredibly, seriously both after his first initial wave of popularity and

later in the career, the man himself said he was the originator and creator of rock 'n' roll. >> to that point he got so popular that some of those other early rock stars people like elvis and the beatles they were imitating him. they were sinking his song and eventually they overshadowed him in some ways. why do you make of why that happened and what impact that in and of itself had on little richard throughout his life? >> before we get to elvis and the beatles there are two things you have to say when you talk about little richard's legacy and that was pat boon. they wanted to make money out of this music he was making, this incredibly raucous music that teenagers love, and they didn't want everything that went along with that so they gave the song

to pat boone. it out-sold his version, it couldn't be less rock 'n' roll and yet he persevered because he had these great songs and he was massively influential. you are talking about elvis covering tutti froourti, they took the beatles tohamburg and they covered his song. how this affected him is it made him very angry later in life. he never felt he got his due. but his influence on all these artists, from elvis to the beatles, prince madonna and on and on, it kept going and by the end of his career, when people were recognizing how influential he had been and getting more credit he looked at them as his children. there is a great line in the documentary, i just want them to spread my message, take that energy i've given them and bring

it out to the world. >> david fear, fascinating conversation, thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> little richard, premiers on cnn. up next princess diana in her own words, in never before heard audio recordings from over 30 years ago. >> you only knew how much we all hated you for what you've done. chevy silverado has what it takes to do it all. with up to 13 camera views. and the z71 off-road package. ♪ you ok? yeah. any truck can help you make a living. this one helps you build a life. chevy silverado.

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>> on the 26th anniversary of princess diana's untimely death we are now hearing never before heard audio tapes in her own words. she reveals how then prince charles now king charles was disappointed when they found out their youngest son pries harry was not a girl. >> my husband won't even talk to

mommy, barely. because at harry's christening, charles went up to mommy, and said he was disappointed it ought to be a girl. fer since that day a shutter's come down and that's what he does when he gets somebody answering back at him so to speak. >> diana also recalls her quote ridiculous marriage to charles and her troubled relationship with her own >> he was so grown up. i said everything i possibly could. he said, you have no how much pain you put your mother and your father through. i said pain is one word you don't even know how to relate to. in my job, i see people suffer like you never see. you call that pain? i said, you've got a lot to learn. >> diana recorded this audio