republican field and pulls even further ahead in a new "wall street journal" poll. is 78% of republican voters say trump's actions after the 2020 election were legitimate. and on this labor day, president biden will travel to philadelphia to march in a union parade as another union threatens a major strike that could impact the whole country. united autoworkers union and detroit's big three automakers have less than two weeks to negotiate a new labor contract. the union's president says members are prepared to walk off the job if demands for improved wages and benefits are not met. tomorrow the chairman of the proud boys is expected to be sentenced for his role in the january 6 attack on the capitol. t tarrio was convicted of seditious conspiracy. and overnight four astronauts have safely returned to earth after a six month stay on the international space

station. the crews splashed down off the east coast of florida. "cnn this morning" starts right now. good morning, everyone. i often see these moments at burning man and think interesting, probably something i'll never be a part of. except this weekend everybody seemed to care about it because everyone was stuck. >> yeah, it is an epic burning man i'd say. >> they always say it but this one actually is. just hour fwrs s from now roads finally reopen. organizers will make the decision this morning. roads leading in and out of festival have been shut down since saturday after heavy rain created ankle deep mud. officials say the thick mud made it virtually impossible for cars, buses and rvs to leave. a lot of people walked for miles

through the mud to get out. and here you can see some vehicles that tried to leave but became hopelessly stuck. >> so much water. we are flooded. we'll be stuck here at least a couple days. this is nuts. >> this is what people have been trudging through for days now. festivalgoers have been hunkering down and told to conserve food, water and fuel. camila bernal reports from burning man. >> we planned on leaving right after the burn which is saturday night, and then it started raining. >> reporter: a dramatic washout at burning man trapping tens of thousands at the festival. and delaying the event's marquee moment, when a mad receive ehe have massive effigy known as "the man" is burned.

they are no stranger to extreme heat, but nothing like this. >> reporter: two to three months worth of rain falling in just 24 hours turning the ground into thick cement-like paste. dean zeller from santa monica shot this video with his ankle deep into the mud. and from the air, you can see the standing water, muddy roads and countless rvs, vans, trucks and other vehicles parked and helpless. >> when it was really wet, you couldn't do anything. you just -- really no way to walk miles to get out of it. >> we couldn't leave. we were stuck basically. people could barely walk let alone ride hair bike their bike. >> reporter: and many of hose who tried to drive away were stuck.

while organizers have often described it as a self expression e where harshness meets creativity, few expected it to be this bad. >> it is a survival event. you come out here to be in a harsh climate and you prepare. >> reporter: roads remain too wet and muddy and local authorities have told thousands of people to shelter in place. though some attendees braved the conditions to make it out. including actor and comedian chris rock and another festival attendee deejay diplo. they posted videos as they trekked more than 6 miles in the mud before the two got a ride on the back of a fan's pickup truck. local officials are urging those still on site to conserve food, water and fuel. but still some attendees down play fears telling us that they think they will manage just fine. >> i don't think that it is going to -- like people are going to starve or do anything

over there. the community in itself would help each other and there is a lot of people who overstock for this thing too. it is really a of beautiful actually. everybody was helping each other out. >> reporter: camilla better nell, cnn, black wrong city. and it was just 0.8 inches of rain that fell on saturday morning. but it made a difference. so we're bringing in derek van dam to talk to us about what happened. can you explain? >> yeah, i mean, 0.8 inches is roughly about two to three months of worth of rain in a short period of time. and in the desert, that makes a big difference. it all comes down to the structure of that topsoil. what you are looking at with this 3d visualization tool is the difference between loam that we use to plant our vegetable garden compared to that of the dry barren clay that you would find in the desert. when the rain falls over the same areas, the earthy topsoil

known as loam would just absorb it. but when talking about the desert or playa where black rock city is located, that water mixes in with the clay and it creates the cement muddy mix that people got stuck in and continue to be stuck in today. but there is good news. but first let's show you the visuals once more because they really speak for themselves. just incredible to see the city that pops up with 70,000, but you can see how difficult it is. and that is the playa, that is the dry basin that this particular city that pops up once a year for this particular burning man event happens to find itself in. and yeah, look, this is normally a dry time of the year. but unfortunately, the rain fell coinciding with this inclusion of a large city. but the good news that i mentioned is that the rain is coming to an end, there are currently no flood watches across the western portions nevada and you can see the rain drying out. so we'll start to see the evaporation, that mud will turn

to more concrete, and we'll start to dry things out and hopefully open up the exit route as quick as possible. so maybe next year we can go together? i don't know. just an idea. >> yeah, bring an umbrella just in case. >> i'll cover that part. >> derek is way too cool for me to attend a hip festival with. but like the general idea of it. thanks, buddy. so next hour we'll be joined by the deejay music producer diplo because as you heard, he and chris rock actually escaped burning man hitching a ride with a fan. we'll have live beinterview wit him ahead. tomorrow chairman of the proud boys is expected to be sentenced for his role on the attack at the capitol. he was convicted back in may. prosecutors now seeking 33 years in prison. >> the hearing comes after two other proud boys were handed hefty sentences by a federal

judge on friday. ethan who took over leading the group on the day of the insurrection was sentenced to 18 years. and dominic 10 years. he is the one who smashed a window to the u.s. capitol paving the way for the first wave of rioters to storm the building. joining us now is our senior legal analyst and former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, elie honig. good morning. >> good to see you. >> so people are talking about 30 years for tar demoroi? >> i don't think that he will get the 30 year, but i think that he will get the heist single sentence passed on so far. the top sentence is 18 years thus far.entence passed on so f. the top sentence is 18 years thus far. stewart rhodes got 18 years. prosecutors are being very aggressive. >> why? is it because they believe that

they did hard organization -- >> it is the organizational aspect r aspect, the fact that there was planning. en enrique is the only one who was not physically present at the capitol of those charged so far, but he might as well have been. he was arrested a couple days before and he essentially engineered the plot. >> so it underlines the idea that it was a riot that got out of control. >> and the others aspect, he was a leader. and if you can prove someone was a leader of organized activity, you can bump the sentence up. so i think that we'll fall between 18 and 33 for him. >> are you surprised by the length of sentences we've seen so far? you mentioned kind of the range. is that all dependent on the judge or what kind of -- >> it is up to the judge. in the federal sentence it

became advisory. judges can consult the book but they have wide discretion. i think the sentences thus far have been reasonable. they have been severe, not over the top, but when you are talking about people who were charged, tried and convicted of seditious conspiracy, not surprising to see sentences in the mid teens. but doj has taken heat for undercharging on some of tother players. 1100 plus defendants. handful have been oathkeepers and proud boys, but some call it schizophrenic, baffling for basically going too light on some of these folks. >> so i feel like lawyers are watching that closely, but for the public, they are hearing about the former president's case. so is any of this going to impact that? >> on the one hand there are different crimes than donald trump. they were charged with seditious conspiracy. no insurrection or seditious

conspiracy charge against trump. is he he is charged with conspiracy and fraud. but it is hard to justify 16, 18, 12 year sentences for other people involved in the insurrection but not the person who really sparked it all and on whose behalf they were looking at it. so absolutely it will be relevant i think, big if, if there ever is a conviction and sentencing of donald trump. >> all right. appreciate it. one donald trump's gop rivals is warning that we could see another day like january 6 if the former president is prosecuted. and just hours from now president biden is set to speak at a union rally as he celebrating labor day in pennsylvania. the labor secretary will join us live next. relieves pressure and instantly adapts. sleep better. live purplple. right now save up to $900 off mattress sets during purprple's labor day sale. visit purple.com or a a store near you. ♪ you were always so dedicated... ♪

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lactaid is 100% real milk, just without the lactose. delicious too. just ask my old friend, kevin. nothing like enjoying a cold one while watching the game. who's winning? we are, my friend. we are. on this labor day president biden travels to philadelphia to march in a union parade as another union threatens a major strike that could impact the country's entire economy. the united autoworkers have less than two weeks to negotiate a new labor contract. the union's president says members are prepared to walk off

the job if the companies don't consider the union's list of demands for improved wages and benefits. >> believe me when i say i'm fed up and one thing i want to tell you is this trash can is overflowing with the [ bleep ] that the big three continue to peddle. if we want higher wages, better benefits and better future for ourselves and our families, then we'll have to fight like hell to win it. >> in a statement last month, president biden said that all sides should work together to forge a 235ir bremt and that the uaw deserves a contract that sustains the middle class. joining us now is acting labor secretary. thank you so much for your time. i want to start there because this kind of moment in labor generally over the course of the last several years but particularly now we have seen i think the leverage and power to some degree, the dynamic has shifted somewhat. we've seen it in negotiations and threatened strikes and the

strikes that have actually taken place. but when it comes to uaw right now, just to start, can you layout what the administration's role is in these negotiations to the extent that there is one at all? >> yes, thank you so much, phil. i mean, this president is the most pro worker, pro union president we've had. that means economic policies that are good for workers, it has created a tight labor market in which workers have more power to demand change, demand their fair share at the bargaining table. with uaw, the parties are talking to each other. it always looks like parties are far apart until they are not. we saw 29 ports get historic gains. historic gains for teamsters with the u.p.s. so uaw is at the table with the big three and we respect their process and hopeful that they

are going to grapple through hard issues and hopefully come to an agreement that is a win/win. >> and in the dock negotiations and u.p.s. negotiations, you played a critical behind the scenes role in those negotiations. i think one of the things that is difficult with these specific talks, part of the uaw's issues right now are electric vehicles, the federal subsidies that electric vehicles coming from there administration and the "inflation reduction act" and a lot of the work that they have done which has been touted and rightfully so for climate advocates' perspective. how do you thread that needle with them when this is a policy that you want to pursue in terms of electric vehicles and subsid subsidies, but it creates issues with what should be allies with this administration? >> president biden says and i agree that we can both solve our climate crisis and build an economy that is good for working people. we can do both of those things at the same time. when we address really -- we're

seeing the impact of the climate crisis across the country and we have to do something about that. there is an entire, you know, climate agenda to do that. there is also bidenomics is about empowering workers and working people. and so all of the investments including climate are opportunities for good jobs in communities that need them the most. we have to think about how -- what the impact is on workers but just as recently as this weekend, president biden has said that we are going to make sure that we invest in and support the good middle class jobs in places like detroit, in places like milwaukee, where working people have been -- built the auto industry that has led the world for a long time. >> i know you are not in the political 123sphere, but is the any sense in your discussions, st administration discussions that endorsement is contingent to getting some kind of an agreement over the finish line that benefits them?

>> no, mine the president is focused on doing right by workers and enjoys broad support from unions and union leaders from work working people. i travel the country and i hear that they are feeling hope that this president is on their side, that we're focused on opportunity. and so at this point we are -- what it means to support the collective bargaining process means that we look to see that the parties have a fair shake at the table and the president believes that those outcomes can be good if for working people and for employers. >> and you mentioned bidenomics. i want to play something that jared bernstein, one of his top economic adviser, said yesterday. take a listen. >> 82% support capping insulin costs for seniors at $35 a month. 81% support giving medicare the power to negotiate for laallow

lower drug prices. 79% support tax incentives, 74% support capping out of pocket expenses. these are all measures in place, these are the components of bidenomics. so when someone tells you americans don't like biden onlyics, it is fall. americans approve the components above 80%. >> and so i understand jared's point because it was the same point that was made with the american recovery act -- sorry, the initial -- >> the rescue plan? >> thank you, sorry. been so long since i covered the white house, all of six weeks. but also the chips act. like if you take every single major piece of legislation that this president has signed into law, many of them bipartisan, and you take out the individual components, i have reams of paper sent from the white house to me saying individually these all poll 60%, 70%, 80%, and yet 75% of those polled are not

happy or comfortable with the current economic state of the country. the disconnect. what is it and why? >> bidenomics is basically three things. first is investing in america. and that means repairing roads, making safe bridges, making sure that every family that powers up the internet at home has reliable high speed internet, everybody who turns on the faucet in their kitchen has clean drinking water. those are broadly popular policies and we're investing like never before. the second is empowering workers and we're seeing a moment in which there is the heisighest approval rate for unions since 1965. and president biden understands and the american people believe that we need to build an economy especially back in the global catastrophe caused by covid that leaves no one behind. and the third piece is reducing prices. those are popular and the right thing to do and the smart thing do. it creates a stronger american economy and america overall. and those are popular policies and when i travel the country

and talk to people about it, i see that too. >> and i think it is something that you will hear the president talking about later today. acting labor secretary, thank you so much for your time. >> thank you so much. happy labor day. republican presidential candidate vivek ramaswamy again vowing if he is elected to pardon trump should he be convicted. and warning that trump prosecutions could bring about another insurrection. >> i am worried that day by day we're inching in a dark direction for this country. i do not want to see another day like january 6 in this country. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. for freeee. that's what i'm talking about. order in the subway app today.

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if you are unwilling to challenge donald trump, you should get off the stage. ramaswamy for example is up there being a cheerleader and a fill-in for trump. he shouldn't be running for president. you know, he obviously is trying to apply for a job for trump. >> that is former republican governor from maryland larry hogan blasting presidential hopeful vivek ramaswamy for his consistent defense of donald trump yesterday. ramaswamy warned that the prosecutions of trump could lead to, quote, another day like

january 6. listen here. >> i think that many of these prosecutions against donald trump are politicized persecutions through prosecution. i think that we continue to set a dangerous precedent. i do not want to see us march to some kind of national divorce and i'm worried, george, that day by day we're inching in a dark direction for this country. i do not want to see another day like january 6 in this country. >> back with us now to discuss, elie honig and coleman hughes. and we'll also bring in shelby talcot. let's start with the picture ramaswamy painted there. shelby, you talk to voters a lot and obviously he represents a voice. >> yes, and i think what he said is -- who know, right? i never thought january 6 would happen in the first place, so perhaps entirely reasonable to think that something like that could happen again. but i also think that you can't decide whether to convict or

charge someone based on what a possible reaction from the voter base is. that is not how the justice system works. >> but isn't his commentary seeded with like the trumpism, hearing about a national divorce, that is something that you hear from certain kind of republican congressmen. how do you hear that sentiment? >> he has taken the strategy that he will hold water for trump. he is seeing that 60% of gop voters are enthralled with trump and he may even be auditioning for a vp spot, right? and as you said, the problem with this is that you cannot hold justice hostage to mass violence. and certainly he would not accept this argument in the other direction. for instance, if there was some -- if there was a court case where left wingers were going to riot if it came out a particular way, no way that he would accept that that was a reason for the trial to come out one way or the other, right? so this is blackmail in a way. >> there is a suggestive

undertone to what he says here. i think it is clear. and i think it is worth reflecting, we've now seen four indictments of donald trump and thankfully everything has held. we've not seen violence, we've not seen massive attacks on anything. i was at the courthouse and trump tower when the first indictment came down and we didn't know if 24rthere would b mass demonstration. thankfully there was not. there was loud protests. nothing more than that. and it seemed like each excessive indictment we saw less and less of a physical presence. you never know what any lone wolf will do, but i think it has been reassuring that we've been able to do this so far completely peacefully. >> and we'll move on to other topics, but on the ramaswamy -- he has a way that we've seen to be very effective with certain parts of the electorate, alluding things, not officially

attributing them to position. you made this point in terms of the national with respect to where he has one step removal to say that wasn't exactly what i was saying, and yet they are extraordinarily inflammatory, sometimes outright bordering on racist misogynist. name the word. never explicitly saying them himself. does i know what he is doing, is this part of the plan, part of his strategy? >> vivek is very smart. >> that is my point. >> yeah, i mean, i can't get inside of his head, but he's smart. >> but that is what you're supposed to do. [ laughter ] >> yeah. what is really interesting about vivek's comments this weekend and in general really is he is openly running as kind of a maga 2.0. he has said that he will take what trump did and go further with it. i think the problem with it that i'm finding on the ground is voters like that, but at the

same time, it is the ultimate conundrum that the entire republican field is having, which is you can't run as an anti trump republican because voters don't like that. but you also can't really run as too much of a pro trump republican because then why wouldn't voters just vote for the real thing. so it is this interesting thing and vivek is probably the further one who is doing the latter. >> although there is an opening you would think for vice president which is what i sort of assume whenever he opens his mouth. is that incorrect? >> no, i think that's right. but to your point, he is very smart. he knows what he is doing when he is talking. he is very strategic. and i do think that he thinks like a chess player. he thinks several moves ahead. we saw this with the 9/11 comments. he wasn't explicitly saying i think that 9/11 was an inside job, but he was saying it without saying it. >> and then gave himself room for come back around. and i know we have other topics to get to, but i think that he

gets lit up on foreign policy. every one of his primary opponents has attacked him on foreign policy, right? and i read and listen to what he says and think i've talked to republican voters particularly in some of the early primary states and like this is totally in line with where they are. >> yeah, republican voters, it is really interesting because he actually probably has the point of view in terms of foreign policy that at least half of the republican base has. it is not a crazy -- these foreign policy plans that he has may sound super crazy, but a lot of republican voters like them. and so he is appealing to a lot of the base by doing that. >> yeah, they may not be 234rus234rush flushed out and make a total ton of sense, like what he would do if he were in mike pence's position on january 6, literally not possible. and based on nothing that is ever something anybody could do, and yet it kind of connects to some degree. >> i did actyou will -- i actua

want to move to the touring of the hurricane damage. in the past ron desantis has been at least presence when president biden touches the ground. this time nowhere to be seen. does that like make sense in this moment? >> i think his team said that it would have caused too many issues on the ground. my question with that is, well, biden was already coming and i don't know how much more security you need. so if he was coming already, i don't know how much it would have impeded efforts on the ground to also show up. and it is not like ron desantis isn't also doing things on the ground, right? he's clearly on the ground elsewhere. but i do think that ultimately when you are running for president and you don't show up and then you have someone like rick scott who does show up, it is going to -- people will make assumptions and you have rick scott praising biden's -- >> i was shocked to see that. >> which is surprising.

>> these two individuals in the leadup to the midterms, one visceral loath one another in public and attack one another constantly almost on a daily basis. so watch the two of them compliment one another was -- >> it has always been it is a natural disaster, we come together, bipartisan, but you're saying desantis has too much at stake? >> i think it was also rick scott's comments were a bit of a snub towards desantis ind indirectly. >> now that chris christie was punished essentially for welcoming barack obama to my state new jersey when it was destroyed by super storm sandy, is this the new thing, if there is an opposite party present, you can't be seen with them if he scene of a naturalrhetorical would be a sad state. >> i think that he is thinking ahead to the next debate and saying what will ramaswamy say if there are pictures of me looking buddy/buddy with biden. he will say he says never back down, but look, he is cozying up

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job. and as students are returning to class, a nationwide shortage of adderall and other medications used to treat adhd could be getting worse. meg terrell is joining us. you spoke to a student. what are they thinking? >> clara pitts, she got accepted to her dream college and now packing up to go and she and her family are worried about how they have navigate the shortage when she is there by herself. take a look. >> reporter: packing up to start college. a time of nerves and anticipation. >> i think i'm just most excited to get out into the world and see what i can do. >> reporter: for clara pitts heading off to her dream school brigham young university, there is an added level of anxiety. >> welcome to adhd packing for college. >> reporter: the medicine that she takes is part of a

nationwide shortage. >> it is just really scary not knowing if i'll have consistency in my medication. >> reporter: it started last fall when one drug maker had a manufacturing delay. but it hasn't let up. clara has had to switch from adderall to another medication called vivance, but that has been hard to come by as well. and it makes back to school more stressful. >> these young people often have difficulty paying attention, sitting still. >> reporter: columbia university dr. ing says treatment can have dramatic results. >> it can change a young person's life overnight, so they suddenly are able to do good work that they want to do but are having difficulty focusing. >> reporter: but relief from the shortage may not be coming soon. prescription rates for the medicines are at record highs, up more than 45% in the u.s. over the last decade.

a cdc study this year found an especially large jump in prescriptions for adults in the first year of the pandemic. also complicating the picture, drugs like adderall are stimulants, controlled substances the government says have a high potential for abuse. so the drug enforcement administration sets limits on how much can be produced. but in a joint letter with the fda last month, the d.e.a. says manufacturers aren't producing as much as they are allowed to. last year they said there were about one billion more goeses that they could have proud but did not and said data for 2023 so far show a similar trend. for some, the shortage could mean dashed dreams. >> a lot of young people that i've seen have just given up, that they have either just felt that, you know, it is too difficult. maybe i shouldn't go to college or maybe i shouldn't have this job. >> reporter: despite those worries, clara is looking forward to school. planning on majoring in electrical engineering.

but she worries not just for herself, but also others starting school with adhd and struggling to find their medicines. >> this is the first time that me and other people with adhd are starting a new school year without our medication in some cases. and i think time will tell whether or not we sink or swim as a collective adhd community. >> we reached out to all 11 makers of adderall and its generics listed on the drug shortages website and only two of the companies got back to us. biggest ones told us that they are making as much as the d.e.a. allows them to. so there are questions about what is going on, why is the industry not making you have in and the unprecedented demand we're seeing leading to the shortage perhaps lasting through the end of the year for some companies. >> yeah, persistence of the shortage is most surprising. it has continued through now seems like a year and maybe longer. thanks for the great report. and this morning the former

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the btk killer now the prime suspect in several unsolved crimes across three states. joining us now again is carrie rossen, the daughter of the btk killer. she's been offering volunteer assistance to local investigators. carrie, can you talking about what kind of assistance you're offering? how do you think you can help this investigation. >> i contacted them in june. i offered my help after looking at some photos of her remains

and the body. i was quickly contacted and connected to osage county, oklahoma, and they flew me in. since then, i've been working hand in hand with law enforcement in osage county, specifically, on these cases. i am key to these cases. i know my dad very well. i'm an expert on him. we're matching my memories, say, to his evidence, possible crime scenes. so i'm a key component to all of this. >> you said that you're a key component, so help us understand why you think he might have drawn these sketches. do you actually think there's some clues here? was it a desire to be cryptic? >> we're very concerned that the sketches were actually drawn in real life, they're first person. we believe he has several more missing and murdered. there are at least nine cases that have been reopened across three states. we're looking at several more. i'm not at liberty to discuss complete numbers right now. i don't think anybody has a concept really of full numbers.

there's 200 of these drawings, we're trying to sort out, are these actual crime scenes, actual missing victims. in one case, we have an identification now on the young woman in the green shirt. i'm not at liberty to discuss who she is. that case is open and active. we're asking the public to help us figure out where she was possibly taken and we're trying to find her body. >> you frequently speak publicly about your father. why. what motivates you? >> what motivates me is victims services, victims advocacy for children like me of serial killers. at this point now, it's victim advocacy for these unsolved murders and missing women. even if they're not my father's, they still need answers. there's cold cases here that have been going for 50 years. someone needs to speak up for them and put some spotlight on it that will be me. i will be working on these the next 50 years if i need to.

>> is that because, are you trying to reckon your growing up with him versus what he was doing in this other life? >> some of it is definitely a reckoning and coming to terms. it's been a couple of decades of coming to terms. honestly, it's the right, proper thing to do. there are hundreds of thousands of missing and murdered that are unsolved in this country. we need to put a lot of spotlight on it, build cold case units and federal funding if we can't get it at the state right now. i'm speakinging up because there are regional and federal law enforcement that need tostep up. there are things that need tested. cases that need taken over possibly by the feds. i'm using my platform and my voice to try to get spotlight on these very important cases. >> you visited your father in prison. he's around 78. and i understand, in bad health. what does he say to you when you

confront him about these crime? >> when i've asked him, he's ran me done a lot of rabbit holes, done a lot of speculative speak, a lot of profiling. he comes up with theories and i'll say something about one location, and he'll mention another one, and then he'll jump to something else. i've asked him to draw me maps. we have it marked down on possibly sites where he's left evidence or possibly bodies. so we have a good deal of work in front of us. >> he's also compared himself another person who was arrested and murdered with three people in gilgo beach. a similarity in that the family didn't know what was going on. do you see similarities there? >> yes, he did say that like,

hereman was a clone of my father. there were similarities. they both were arrested at 49, they both had a wife, two children, they were both long-form serial killers, but he did it through phones, my dad did it through person. they both committed bondage and stronged. we're still waiting to find out a lot more on heuermann, now we're finding out a lot more on dad. it's an ongoing process on finding out where we're going to land on both of them and long-term for both cases and the victims' famous. >> and right now heuermann has just now been charged with that case. but kerri rawson, thank you so much for speaking with us. >> thank you. >> and "cnn this morning" continues right now. >> good monday morning, everyone. audi kcornish is back with me. and right now we're trying to find out if roads will reopen at