hereman was a clone of my father. there were similarities. they both were arrested at 49, they both had a wife, two children, they were both long-form serial killers, but he did it through phones, my dad did it through person. they both committed bondage and stronged. we're still waiting to find out a lot more on heuermann, now we're finding out a lot more on dad. it's an ongoing process on finding out where we're going to land on both of them and long-term for both cases and the victims' famous. >> and right now heuermann has just now been charged with that case. but kerri rawson, thank you so much for speaking with us. >> thank you. >> and "cnn this morning" continues right now. >> good monday morning, everyone. audi kcornish is back with me. and right now we're trying to find out if roads will reopen at

the burning man festival. the famous dj and music performer diplo managed to escape after walking miles through the muck. >> donald trump widening his already huge lead over his gop rivals in a new poll. and it shows that an overwhelming majority of republican voters think that his actions after the 2020 election were legitimate. and 385 people are still unaccounted for after the catastrophic wildfires on maui. this hour of cnn this morning starts right now. you know, it was a bit of an odd moment yesterday when betsey klein, our white house producer sent a pool note, she's in pool with president biden and it was about the president getting an update on burning man, which was not something i ever expected to get from our white house team. and yet that's where we were. >> especially since it was about

rain in the desert. >> rain in the desert. again, a lot of unexpected events, but just hours from now, maybe the end is near. roads are about to reopen or could reopen at the burning man festival where tens of thousands of people are still stranded in the desert. organizers say they'll be announcing the decision this morning. now, roads leading in and out of the festival have been shut down since saturday after heavy rain turned the ground into angle-deep mud. officials say the thick muck made it virtually impossible for cars, buses, and rvs to leave. some people walked for miles to get through the mud and get out. here, you can see some vehicles that tried to leave but became hopelessly stuck. >> so much water. we are flooded. we're going to be stuck here at least a couple of days. this is nuts. >> this is what people have been trudging through. for days now, festivalgoers have been hunkering down and told to

conserve their food, water and fuel. camilla bernal is live near the festival. let's just start with the latest on the situation. >> hey, audi and phil. it's still muddy, it's still messy, and it's still pretty wet from what we can see in some areas. we're exactly at the main exit and entrance to the playa. this is what they call the eight-mile access to the playa. so it's where the playa turns into the road. we've seen a couple of cars today trying to get out of here. even in the middle of the night, and it's going to be difficult today. the shelter in place is still own. if you're trying to get out, they will let you, but you will have a very difficult time. i want to show you what the vehicles of the bureau of land and management look like. they have been in that mud and they are completely covered in mud. the operation here is just getting started, because they're waiting for thousands and thousands to try to get out. the people who get out, their cars look like this, and the

people who try to walk out say, it has taken me three hours. they get these plastic bags and wrap their shoes with duct tape and have told me that really is the only way that you can walk for miles and miles to try to get out, to make it to this road to the main exit. again, it's just difficult. people were not expecting so much rain, so much mud but a lot of people say they had a great time at the festival and trying to make the best of this situation. but officials are telling them, conserve water, conserve food, if they do have to stay here for days, a lot don't have a lot of food or water for a number of days they had not planned for. that's the concern for a lot of people. they had been sharing. this is an event where people

essentially feel free to self-express, to create art, to come together. you're seeing those vibes and positivity, but officials say, be careful, because you may not be able to get out. they'll look again after the sun comes out, decide after they look at the mud and conditions and how things improve or not. in the meantime, we're just waiting for the sun to come up to see how things are going end to up going for today. so far, it's still looking muddy and still messy. we do expect to see people coming out. the question is whether officials will give them that green light and make it official. guys? >> thanks so much. >> that muddy mess couldn't stop diplo to stop him from making it to his next concert. he hiked out to make sure he made it to washington, d.c. on

ti time. and he was joined by chris rock in the back of a truck with a group of fans. diplo made it to the airport walking barefoot on the tarmac and poised to his instagram, quote, no one would believe we would get to d.c. for the show tonight, but god did. joining us now the three-time grammy award winner, diplo. welcome to the program. >> hi, how are you guys doing? zb good. >> so were you barefoot in walking, duct tape in bags walking? what were we dealing with in terms of a plan to get out? >> i tried the duct tape and walking, i had pretty good boots with zippers instead of ties. they worked pretty well. they were caked with mud. they got pretty heavy. they were like three pounds each at one point. i have some pretty strong leg muscles after that walk, but when you started to walk in the mud, you kind of realize that you have to stay low to the ground and it's very slippery, and if you don't walk on where it was chewed up from tire marks, it's pretty easy to move

out of there. >> what was it like watching other people? i mean, was there a lot of dialogue in between tents where people actually debating, should we leave? should we stay? >> it was around friday, i think, 11:00 p.m., i was having dinner in our camp, and our camp next door, chris rock was there, sidney crawford was there, austin butler. a bunch of people were there that were living in that camp and they had the news that there's no chance they're leaving tonight, because there's going to be even more rain forecast. and the main issue is quegt a c car out of there is impossible when it's muddy. so if they have a lot of cars stuck on the playa, it will create huge traffic jams for the eventual exit of people. i think at 10:00 a.m., we said, let's regroup and see if we can walk out of here. i said, that's the only way we can do it, if we can walk out. and we planned an excursion the next morning and i think we

headed out. me and about 20 other people, and we just walked. and we didn't see many people on the road, and we just kept walking. they said the gate was closed. it's a general term for the gate. the gate was not allowing cars in, people come to burning man the last day for the burn. they love the saturday and sunday, but there's no actual gate to open or close, it's just a matter of the mud ends and a paved road begins. and that paved road goes to gerlach, nevada, skand we had t walk to that paved road. >> are you still in contact people? >> a lot of my friends did get out. my dj friends were like, how did you do it? it's labor day weekend, so of course we have to work. we all made it out. some of them are still there in the camp, they're having a good time, waiting it out. you know, this -- the mud always drys up there. it's the middle of the desert. you don't expect rain, but if you have sunshine, it can dry up in four or five hours with direct sun. it's just been overcast the

whole time, so hard to dry out. >> the moment between deciding you were going to actually launch the excursion and the video that i think everybody in the country has seen, up to this point, including what seemingly random appearance of chris rock as you scrolled around the camera, which wasn't so random since he was in the camp next door, what was that like? were you talking, what were you doing as you were making this trek towards finally getting picked up? >> i mean, for sure, chris is going to have a huge bit in his next special about burning man, because he was really -- bizarrely scared of what was going to happen. he thought there was going to be cannibalism a day later. i was like, look, people know what they're doing here. everybody here is camping. they all have self-reliance. and we just said, i was surprised, he had his new york knicks jacket on and he just got up with us and started walking. and we walked about three hours in the mud and he was happy it was me, i think cindy crawford

walked with us, austin butler, randy gerber, a writer, a couple producers of tv, a couple of people who wanted to get home to their children, and we didn't take "no" for an answer. it was like, we can make it out. it was a challenge, but honestly one of the highlights of the whole trip, just getting out there and enjoying the time out there and seeing the desert and walking through the mud and meeting fans and some kids recognized me on the road and they were like, we'll give you a ride up the next two miles and we gladly took it. we rode for about four miles into the city, and sat at a bar for a while and hung out with people and found a ride to reno. >> anything for that kid, free tickets or some signed diplo herch. >> i got his number. he lives in nevada, so he's going to come to some shows. his name was tony, he was awesome. and we found some hippies in the

street, who had a van, and i was like, i'll give you a thousand dollars if you'll take us to the airport. and he had some beers and we got in the back and we drank some beers. i had no idea how it happened, but went to my show in dc and had a great time and back in nevada here in las vegas for a party. yeah, i'm glad i made it out. but i think people at burning man, the organizers are very prepared. it doesn't rain often. it's the first time in history that it rained during the festival. but it rains sometimes, and they're prepared for this kind of situation. i think a lot of people that aren't navigating and camping and like able to handle themselves might have been scared. but it wasn't that bad. there wasn't any ebola breakout, like i saw the memes. there wasn't any cannibalism. people were making mud sculptures, and kind of continuing with their art. there might be two extra days, but they had a great time. >> between a rock with chris rock and that car ride you

described, sounds potentially better than what a normal burning man might have been. diplo, we appreciate the time. glad you got out. awesome you got to d.c. and back. >> shout-out to tony. >> we appreciate it man, thank you. >> bye, guys, thanks. on to politics, because a new "wall street journal" poll shows donald trump's big lead over his republican opponents is actually getting better and more republican voters say that his actions after the 2020 election were legitimate. harry enten is here with this morning's number. >> hi, harry. together can help you make smartrter decisions. voya. well planned. well invested. well protected.

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commanding lead in the gop presidential primary. according to a new "wall street journal" poll, the former president is pulling away from even his closest rival, florida governor ron desantis. not even his four criminal indictments, nor his decision to skip the first debate seem to be making much of a dent in trump's support. cnn's senior data reporter joins us now, so harry, what is today's number? >> this morning's number is 46 points. that's how much ron desantis now trailing donald trump by in the republican primary post debate. he was down just 24 points back in april. so desantis is going in the wrong direction. of course, that's just the top line effect, that trump is ahead 59% to 13%. it's underneath the hood where i think the most trouble comes in for desantis. this is the very foouavorable v of trump and desantis among republican primary voters. look in april, look how close they were. trump at 53%. desantis at 55%. desantis was slightly aide by

this metric. look where we are post-debate. look at donald trump's very favorable view among republican primary voters. 60%. desantis down to 32%. it's not just that trump is getting better polling numbers, it's desantis is getting worse polling numbers. >> help me with the math here. does this mean that some of those points went to any other candidates or is it really all trump? >> it really is a lot of trump, but there is one candidate that ron desantis is very worried about, his super pac is especially worried about, and that's vivek ramaswamy. and why, why are they worried about vivek ramaswamy given that trump is running so far ahead in this race. i want you to take a look here. this is an interesting question. second choice for the gop nominee. you can see that desantis is ahead on this metric at 35%, but look who's second. it's ramaswamy at 16%. so the idea of who's going to be the alternative to trump, desantis folks believe it could

be ramaswamy. it's also that the more republicans see of him, the more they seem to like him. whose debate performance most exceeded your expectations? look at this. who came in at number one, vivek ramaswamy at 35%. look however desantis was at just 9%, guys. >> all right, harry, thanks so much. >> thank you. well, joining us there, cnn political commentary and white house communications director and jamal simmons, former communications director for vice president kamala harris. i want to start with you, i look at the numbers and i feel like i'm on a kind of hamster wheel, and coming to the same conclusion, a, the republican primary is over and "b" it seems like everybody to some degree is right to be the vice president or trying to attack one another and not the guy winning by 40 points. >> listen, there's no historic evidence or example where another candidate has overcome such a significant lead. and i think where this springs

from, a lot of consultants who are advising the let's call them tier 2 campaigns, say you've got to really wait for the right moment to go after donald trump, because you can't risk alienating his base. the problem is, when he's 35 to 40 points ahead of you, you can't make that up. and i'm not sure when the moment comes or the debate stage. and when you look at also his legal calendar, there's -- if you're banking on some kind of a conviction taking him out of the running, that's likely not going to happen ahead of july when we have the gop convention. i hate to say it, i think it's pretty much cooked at this point that donald trump is going to be the nominee, saring some major external factor. >> what is about the ramaswamy kind of surge right now that's, like, what's the genesis of it, i guess? a lot of people who aren't into politics aren't living in the conservative media space, maybe haven't listened to him much, don't understand, only see little snippets of it. >> he sounded like trump, he

carried himself that way, he was bombastic, he attacked people, he did the outsider thing, it kind of makes sense that he would see a surge after the debate. he's also been working. this guy has done a lot of self-funding, spent a lot of time in iowa and new hampshire. he's a pit of a right-wing media darling, but he's got a ceiling. there are some polling that shows that his number actually dropped after the debate. i don't think this is someone that was a serious candidate. >> hence the numbers for nikki haley. we just passed over her, but she was next in line after the debate. >> the thing i'm most interested in, when you have this dynamic right now is, there are a lot of democrats who are anxious because they're democrats, no offense. but my sense is that there's a lot going on underneath the hood to some degree, both the democratic national committee and with the biden campaign, and maybe people understand. you're connected to that world, worked inside the white house for a period of time, what are

people missing right now that when -- if they think that trump is the opponent, either likely or almost certain to be, that democrats should know in terms of what the operation is actually being set up to do. >> first of all, there's an assumption that this election will be about the economy and inflation. that was the arguments the republicans are going to try to make when they go into the election. i think on the democratic side, what we also know is the election is going to be about culture and it's going to be about democracy. and so the question is, are we going to have an america where everybody gets to participate, where women get to be in charge of their own bodies, where lgbtq people are going to be treated fairly. is that going to be an america that we're going to have, and an america where the rule of law actually matters, and we're not going to have revolts against the congress when there's a problem with the election or people perceive a problem with an election. so this idea of democracy and culture is going to go alongside the economy and inflation, and i think the president has got some cases to make about the economy, you know, 13.5 million jobs,

inflation is on its way down, wages are on their way up. >> i think this message has not been landing the way that he would like, and then, of course, we and others keep talking about his age. how much of a defense is there against the age issue? >> age is going to be a factor for people who care about age. i think the president has said himself, look at me, watch how i work. you can look at the record that i just started to talking about, and the question now is, everyone is focused on the republicans. the democrats have just started advertising, just started to talk about this. we are a long way from a point where democrat versus republican, biden versus trump will be on the ballot, it's more than a year from now. we have a long time for the democrats to make their argument. >> one thing, i get hung up on with this argument of, you know, it's american democracy on the ballot. it's the future of american democracy versus donald trump. i think for a lot of voters putting that kind of on the back of an 81-year-old man is really

tough for people to stomach. if you're saying, the entire future of this republican lies on the back of an 81-year-old man. >> is that how you think they heard the midterm arguments? >> and i think it worked in the midterms. democrats outperformed expectations, but i think it's a little bit harder when you're going into four more years. >> one other thing i want to add, because i do think it's relevant, senator mike rounds spoke to our dana bash yesterday about mitch mcconnell, whose health issues have obviously come to the fore. here is what he had to say. >> he was in good shape. he was direct. he said, you know, i had that concussion, and they warned me that i would be lightheaded in the future and have to be aware of it. he said, it happened twice, and just so happens that i'm doing it in front of reporters. there's no doubt in my mind that he's perfectly capable of continuing on at this stage of the game. >> alyssa, i want to bring this to you, because without being macabre, these kind of incidents definitely undermine a political argument that says, your guy isn't healthy, your guy is too hold.

the public is now hearing a lot of stories of elderly members of the sort of law-making class who are struggling. so what does this mean for that republican argument about biden's age? >> i think we have to have a national conversation about the sort of enggeritocracy that run washington, d.c. mitch mcconnell, it's a legitimate conversation, as does dianne feinstein, struggling to decide what you're voting on. and to jamal's point, donald trump is 78, no spring chicken either. we're talking about people who are outliving the median age of most men in america, still in positions of extreme power. and we need to address that. >> you know what worries me about the mitch mcconnell situation, thinking about the future of the country, and how little confidence people have in our institutions and in our politicians. i just wish that the mcconnell people, god bless him, i hope he's okay, but i wish they would level with the american people about what's going on with him.

i think when young people see this, they see someone who has two episodes, that don't just look like being lightheaded. all they say, something like, he's just kind of lightheaded. don't worry about it. they've got to tell people what's going on. they would get a lot of credibility to say, he's struggling with something, let's give him a chance. fetterman di people gave him a lot of credit. >> thank you both. >> happy labor day! house speaker kevin mccarthy took a tour of the devastation left behind by the historic wildfires in hawaii. is promising that fema's funding will be replenished when congress returns to the hill this week. josh green joins us next. we'll ask him for the latest update from the ground. stay with us. am i? ya! the queen sleep number c22 smart bed is now only $999. plus free home delelivery when you add a base shop now only y at sleep number.

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house speaker kevin mccarthy led a bipartisan delegation of lawmakers to hawaii over the weekend, stressing the need to rebuild and touring the fire-ravaged community of lahaina where 115 people were killed in the deadliest wildfire in the u.s. in more than a hundred years 385 people remain

unaccounted for, according to the maui police department and the fbi. joining us now is hawaii governor josh green, governor, welcome to the program. >> thank you. thank you for having me. >> i want to get to lawmakers in a minute. first, can you talk about the number of people who are unaccounted for. i think there was some reporting, expectations that that number could drop, but it really hasn't, so can you give us a sense of what's going on? >> yes, i would like to be really clear about this. while the number was 1,200 for some time, and dropped to 800, and dropped to 385, 385 represents what the fbi and the red cross and other lists have given us. there are currently 41 active cases being investigated that have been mild as missing persons reports to the maui police department. that's the university of active investigations. the number 385 is the list of everyone who in a broad way, will cast a very broad net, we

have been able to get a name for. what we would like to do is we would like to see more people file police reports, so instead of just having a first name or just a last name, we have some details so we can get into it. >> i understand this was a bipartisan delegation dhathat c to visit from congress, but at this point do you believe the federal government is doing everything it can? >> i do. the president was very gracious with us, within six hours, he approved our major disaster declaration. he's been extraordinary. i was so appreciative of speaker mccarthy coming with the bipartisan delegation. everyone's working together and that's critical for us in america. we need to see that, but particularly for my people in maui and all the victims in lahaina. everyone was very upstanding and compassionate. i don't want to see any politics in this, so i thank them all. >> i know there's been some conversation about what it would mean to rebuild. you've made some moves to prevent predatory investors from

coming in and take homes, et cetera. but let's talk about insurance. can anyone really feasibly rebuild there, or will insurers decide whether or not it's worth doing? >> that's a very good question. so, first of all, yes, we've had over 3,000 homes either totally destroyed or damaged. they're not habitable right now. the people of lahaina have to choose when to rebuild. they have to be the people who tell us how they want to rebuild. people are getting insurance claims filled, and anyone who had a mortgage is getting it paid, if they choose to take that insurance money and pay it down. but it's going to be some time. we, of course, are going to have some property damage that's also going to have toxic chemicals on it. the epa is there right now. this is going to be a community decision. i think that there will be opportunities to build in the region, more readily. that means up north or beyond the borders of lahaina. >> but are there fears that claims could be denied? that people will look at what happened here, look at the other

climate issues that the island is facing, and really have to charge residents to make that decision? >> well, if people had insurance, you can bet we're going to insist that that gets paid by the insurers. we've had a lot of those issues because we've had lava flows and sn tsunamis over the years and the insurance adjusted that. we'll press very hard for that. >> you also have been calling for tourists to come back. i understand it's like 6,000 acres, out of the whole island, but what about people who are uncomfortable coming to the island, using resources that could go to people who are still struggling to rebuild? >> well, we are sensitive about that, but people who come to maui with the exception of the part of west maui and lahaina that's been affected, they will be helping us to heal and recover. and those who come to maui because they have loved it for these many decades, they will

help us, because people will have their jobs back. we've dropped by about 70% our travel to maui. all of hawaii, of course, is open otherwise, and the rest of maui is open. we'll make some more announcements in the coming days, but just know in our hearts and from you, you will be helping our people if you do come, as long as we're sensitive about lahaina and that area. >> finally, what's your message to the people right now who are on the island, who really feel like they're struggling. and it looks like it's going to be slow going? >> that our hearts are broken more them, but we'll do everything possible to get all the resources directly to family. i'll push against predatory behavior. we will try to set up resources that go directly to people much more quickly than usual. we're setting up some large funds with lots of different entities, including the rock and oprah and others to get money directly to people each month. so there's a lot of financial

resources, but it will take time to build hougsing. we have an 18-month plan with fema to make sure people have stable housing in the region. i'm so heartsick that people have suffered this kind of loss, but in hawaii we use the word ohanna, which means family and that's how we'll approach this. we thank everyone aloe ha for o great start. anyone who can should donate through the red cross and that will help our state recover and rebuild. >> governor josh green, thank you for your time. the white house is going on offense. we'll tell you how, next. and a long-lost shipwreck from the 1800s is discovered in lake michigan. that remarkable find. stay with us. so you only pay for what you need. that's my boy. ♪ stay off the freeways! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty.y. liberty. liberty. ♪

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those are live pictures in philadelphia where president biden will speak next hour at a union rally in celebration of labor day. meanwhile, back in washington, many republicans on capitol hill are pressing ahead with their preliminary efforts to impeach the current president. and now, the white house not just waiting, it seems like they're going on offense, enlisting two dozen lawyers and legislative liaisons to counter those house efforts. cnn's priscilla alvarez joins us now from rehoboth beach where president biden just left. priscilla, one of the questions i've had on this is, clearly, white house officials don't believe there's any merit to the push for impeachment and yet, they're not waiting and seeing what happens next, are they? >> reporter: no, they're pushing back already, but to your point, phil, white house officials are really monitoring whether house speaker kevin mccarthy can even summon enough votes to open a

formal inquiry. mccarthy has previously said that he would be required to have a house floor vote to open an inquiry, and he also noted that it's not a declaration by one person, which is what gop hardliners have suggested that he can do. and the reality for mccarthy is that he could only lose four gop votes. and that is going to be difficult, in and of itself, when there's hesitancy within the republican conference. but the white house is not waiting, they're pushing back, as you mentioned. the white house has spent more than a year putting together a team of more than a legal legal, legislative, and communication experts to push back on republican-led investigations. that also includes two top attorneys with experience in this space. and we're also told by sources that they are meeting multiple times a week. this is clearly front of mind for the white house, as the president goes into a very busy september. phil? >> so priscilla, in terms of how the building operates, the west wing, the council's office, to

some degree eob across the street where a lot of the staff is, do they try to keep this piece of it separate from what the president will be talking about today in his remarks in philadelphia? >> yeah, the white house is really focusing on the economy, and that is really what's going to be the focus today in philadelphia. this is an event that's hosted by union members. of course, they are very important to the president and they buoyed his bid back in 2020. the white house for his part wants to focus on his issues, be it the economy or abortion, which is what the campaign has been putting out ads for, attacking the republican stance on his front, following roe v. wade. and so all of that is really going to come together in the weeks to come, at least today, the president going to be speaking about the economy to union members, and not impeachment. phil? >> priscilla alvarez, thanks so much. this morning, nasa welcoming home four astronauts after their

successful return from a nearly six-month stay at the international space station. they were travel at more than 17,000 miles per hour before the crewed dragon vehicle deployed parachutes and splashed down off the coast of jacksonville, florida. the capsule reaching 3,300 degrees as it sliced back into the earth's atmosphere. the astronauts are from the u.s., the united arab emirates and russia. they conducted three space walked and performed over 200 science and tech projects during their stint in space. now a remarkable discovery in lake michigan. the "trinidad," a schooner missing since may 11, 1881, was found 2 hurkricane feet underwater. they used survivor accounts and sonar to locate the wreck in eastern wisconsin. officials say it was carrying a load of coal bound for milwaukee when it suffered a leak and sank. but the entire crew managed to escape.

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we're live from burning man. we're sinking. i think barefoot is the way to go. the shoes are not working out. >> that's michaeltureny, dj trips who performed at this year's burning man festival in nevada. he along with his father finally made it out the site where heavy rain turned the remote desert into a muddy mess, leaving tens of thousands of attendees

stranded. joining me is dr. mel churny. they just got back from the festival. you guys are in california, and we've seen so many pictures of vehicles kind of stuck in the mud. can you tell me why yours made it out? >> well, the burning man camp, it's -- it has a huge footprint and our camp was at the back end and you exit through the rear of the camp, through the roads in the more peripheral of the camp were not as chewed up at the middle of the camp. so we were on "i," "j" is the last one. so we got up at 5:00 yesterday morning and we rode around and picked a route through the exit

road. we knew once we got on the exit rude, we would be able to get out. >> we heard from dj diplo this morning about how he was able to get out. i wanted to get a sense from you about helping other people at the site. you guys had provisions, did you have enough? did you share? >> yeah, a lot of people actually planned to be there going into today and even tomorrow, because they do kind of like -- they bring the man on saturday and burn what they call a temple on sunday. and a lot of people, even friends that i know, that build our pieces out there, they were already planning until -- as late as wednesday this week. so, you know, a lot of our neighbors, you know, we were giving out food when they left, we knew they were staying a little longer than us. we had people in tents in our camp that we offered to stay. we had an rv in our camp, so we were able to give some people

tom shelter when it started coming down a little more. >> along those lines, mel, one of the things that i've been trying to square is the stories from the weekend, it seemed, bordering on catastrophic and people very scared to this is actually what this is all about. this is the community we prepare for inclement weather or inclement moments to some degree. where was it for you guys? >> we were more at the second end of that range. we're veteran campers. i've been out to the -- my first burn was 2003, so i've been doing this for 20 years. i've never seen it rain like that out there, but we've been stuck in rain out at joshua tree and calico and some of those places it's the same kind of mud. it's -- the playa, a dry lake bed, the second largest playa in the united states behind

bonneville salt flats, the world land speed record over 700 mile an hour was made at the black rock playa where we are at. it is down in the southern part of the playa, the playa is 30 miles long and if you know how to -- the playa -- the surface material is like a silt and when it's dry it's very smooth and that's why it's easy to drive the cars and bikes on it, but when it gets wet, which is all through the winter, you can't -- it's very sticky, you can't drive in it, you can't hardly even walk in it. it's never really rained like this at burning man since it started. this is a one off. >> you said that you're experienced campers. can you tell us what worries you do have now that you're out, looking back at the images, what do you think people should be concerned about? >> how sticky the mud is. i mean, if you start spinning your tires on your vehicle you will very quickly sink to your

axles, once you are to your axles you are not going to get out unless somebody pulls you out. >> michael, i think you sent a picture over of a rainbow, you said perfectly described the sentiment for those attending burning man as somebody who has never been, likely will never make it out that way, why? why? >> come out. well, the thing about burning man is you definitely try to find the small things that could make the situation better. so i think that saturday, you know, two days ago, you know, actually the sun came out a little bit, the double rainbow showed up and you're cheering all around the camps. you know, you still couldn't really walk too far so we kind of stayed in that section of i my day mentioned. we were around our neighbors. that saturday night we got together and had a little celebration because the man was supposed to burn, he ended up not burning. we hung out, that was a cool way to salvage that last two days of

rain. we all went under a tent. wasn't raining saturday, we were able to have a good time with all of our neighbors. >> well, michael and mel cherne, sorry you missed the burn but glad you made it out. thank you. >> great. thank you. well, the music world lost a legend, how hundreds of fans in key west honored the great jimmy buffet. that's next. ♪ ♪ ( ♪ ♪ ) (camera shutters) ( ♪ ♪ ) ( ♪ ♪ ) ( ♪ ♪ )

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♪ that of course is the intro guitar rift to jimmy buffett's classic "margaritaville." buffett died at the age of 76. his fans gathered in key west to celebrate the only way fans know

how ♪ wasting away again in margaritaville ♪ ♪ searching for my lost shaker of salt ♪ >> buffett had a recording career that spanned decades that included other hits. according to his obituary he had been fighting skin cancer at the time of his death. joining us is meg terrell. meg, we were just talking about this. skin cancer, very familiar with it. this i was not familiar with. >> this is a very rare form of skin cancer, 2,000 cases are diagnosed each year in the united states, it is becoming a little bit more common as the population ages and as the diagnostics get better. this is something to be aware of because it tends to grow quickly and can be hard to be treated if you catch it too late. if you catch it when it's localized the five year survival rate is 75%. if it's spread to other parts of the body that goes down to 24%. it is something to be aware of

even though it's rare. >> you said there's better diagnostics. what are the other risk factors. >> it tends to show up most often in older white men. 80% of the cases are in people over the age of 70, men are twice as likely as women to be diagnosed with this and 90% of the cases are in people who are white. so spending a lot of time in the sun of course is a major risk factor for this cancer. >> signs and symptoms? >> tends to show up in places exposed to the sun, faces are the most commonplace. if you find a bump that's red, pink or purple and it grows pretty quickly. usually doesn't hurt. we hear about moles that change, that's something to be aware of. be vigilant and protect yourself when you are in the sun. sunscreen, cover up, wear a hat, sunglasses. >> meg tirrell, thank you very much. we are about to look, i think, at president joe biden is

in philadelphia should be heading to the podium in a short while. remarks on labor day. also marching on labor day as he always does every year. we will keep you posted throughout the course of the day. "cnn news central" starts right now. ♪ tens of thousands stranded in the nevada desert may finally have a chance to escape. heavy rains turning the burning manifest val into muddy man. welcome back, john berman. marking labor day by honoring america's workers and their labor unions. president biden preparing to speak in philadelphia this morniner