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the search area for an escaped killer expanding this morning. the police announced that he has been spotted on a surveillance camera in a botanical garden and why the authorities are hopeful that they are closing in on him, and why they are also closing the schools today. >> cnn exclusive special counsel jack smith's 2020 election probe is not over just because the trial date is set for donald trump, and in fact, signs that it is growing. a new focus on the money. and north korea's kim jong-un is getting ready to travel to russia to visit in person with president vladimir putin, and what russia wants
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from north korea and why ukraine should be paying close attention. sara sidner is off. i'm kate bolduan with john berman, and this is cnn "news central." this morning, the manhunt expanding for a escaped killer. the area is expanding. the police were previously searching a two-mile area where da knee low kcavakavl -- danilo
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cavalcante has been on the run. what have we been learning? >> this is where the new manhunt area has been. now, new information is that the manhunt area is expanding. the police believed emphatically that he was in a two-mile radius two miles south of the prison, but this morning we have learned that it is expanding further south. we are now five miles south of the prison. what is particularly important is that they are searching this area near longwood gardens and it is a popular tourist destination, and the reason they are searching this area is because last night at 9:00 and 8:30, they captured dane will, o cavalcante on the trail cameras on the trail cameras.
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he is not wearing a shirt on one camera, and still carrying a duffle bag and still wearing the prison-issued pant, and in one, he has a hood ed shirt of some kind, and he has been in a car of some sort or building, and just to why police believe that, this is what one person in the neighborhood said of encountering cavalcante a couple of days ago. >> i looked at my wife, and i said, hey, there might be somebody downstairs. get on the phone. what i decided to do is to switch the light on and off three or four or five times and pause and then he flipped light switch from downstairs three or four times which was the moment of like, oh, my god, this guy is down there.
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>> i mean, just hard to imagine, that he was convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced without the possibility of parole, and then seeing him in your home. one thing that the police have said is that he is winging it at this point. like examplesf those, he is trying to get into the homes to try to get food and supplies, and there are not caches of supplies that he has left for himself. but again, this manhunt is intensifying and expanding on day six. >> wild. all of the details coming in, and especially hearing from that man is terrifying. thank you, danny. john? >> joining me is bounty hunter zeke unger, and thank you for being with us. we have seen the new photos, new video images captured of this man on the loose. a backpack in one, and duffle bag in others, and the authorities beliefs that indicates that maybe he is breaking into a house or car to get things, and where do you see
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things headed? >> well, the first thing that is positive is that they were able to ascertain and develop that it is him. now that they have a new location as we know, the perimeter is expanding which is normal fugitive business. the marshall service is fluid and they move quickly. the one good thing about the marshall service they have a great rapport with the local police, and working in conjunction. you have patrol officers being diligent and sending the information back and forth. we have hypervigilance in the community. i believe that this is going to end relatively soon. now, you see the boots on the ground. you will be seeing a tighter perimeter and start to see canines, and you know, breakbres
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and home invasions is how they gain clothing and sometimes transportation. there is mental illness here, and of course, he is a murder here, and i believe it is some form of mental illness, and so he is making bad decision, and he is still on foot and wearing the same clothing. >> you call it bad decision, and what is it that he is able to slip through the original perimeter. slip through. >> well, sometimes it is a timing issue, and maybe he slipped through the perimeter prior to them being able to set the perimeter up. now they have got another perimeter set up with a direct sighting in a certain area, so now what they will do is to bring out the canines and start focusing in. the canines are very effective and they have helicopters they have local police and one thing that makes the local marshall service so effective
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over the years is the communication skills with local law enforcement and federal agencies, and they like to keep it close to the breast, but the united states marshall service has a history of working with the local law enforcement which makes them so effective, because the officers know their area. >> zeke, they closed the local schools a few of them in the areas, and how concerned should people be around there for their safety? >> well, i mean, listen, you have a murderer on the loose. of course when it is coming to children and facilitfacilities, everybody needs to be diligent. i agree. it is going to take a small amount of time, and they have him in a great perimeter and law enforcement will be apprehending him soon. >> and zeke unger, don't go far, because we could be in the final hours of this, we hope. thank you for your help. >> interesting.
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also new for us this morning, cnn has new information about the special counsel's investigation of donald trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 investigation. he has been indicted in this case, but multiple sources are revealing that jack smith has also been following fund-raising money and has been focusing new witness questioning on trump's former lawyer and co-defendant in georgia sidney powell. paula reid is joining us and has more on this. what is smith looking find here? >> we have been learning that smith's investigators are hard at work, and specifically focused on efforts to raise money off of these baseless claims of voter fraud and how that money was used to breach voting systems in states that biden won. now, my colleague zach cohen and i have learned that since the special counsel handed down the january 6th indictment which
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only charges former president trump, they have continued to speak with witnesses asking questions about sidney powell if she was aebl to give any evidence of the voter fraud that she has put forward and the witnesses have said to investigators that, no, they never saw evidence. now they are also interested in her nonprofit called defending the republic. according to the invoice obtained by cnn defending the republic used some of the funds that it raised off of the claims of voter fraud to hire forensic experts who then breached voting systems in four states. that is unclear, kate, if foufpowell or anyone else is going to be charged, because we thought that the federal indictment was going to be narrow and go after a narrow group of people, but now it seems that is not the case. >> great reporting, paula. john? >> and with us is james rossi,
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former attorney for the eastern district, and now the fact that jack smith's team is still investigating and putting witnesses before a grand jury, what impact could that have in the case against donald trump for which there is also a trial date set? >> all right. here is my prediction, john. you are going to be seeing an indictment of sidney powell and several others in the next three months. they won't do a superseding indictment of donald trump, but my prediction is that they are focusing like a laser beam on sidney powell's charity, nonprofit, and her activities, and you will see a multidefendant indictment that looks at the following. money laundering, wire fraud, mail fraud, tax charges possibly, but it will be separate from donald trump, because the special counsel, if they are smart, and they are,
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they want to keep that trump indictment clean, narrow and focused. but sidney powell et al., i predict that is facing harm's way. >> that is what i am getting that separation that you mentioned. that is important, because if they were to add any direct link to donald trump, what might that do to his trial date? >> well, it won't affect his trial date. if you keep the indictment involving sidney powell separate, she'll have, allegedly, her own trial date and possibly others. it will not affect donald trump's trial date one bit, and that why i predict if there is an indictment, it is only going to be against sidney powell, et al., and think won't touch trump, because they want to stay with him, mano a mano, and focus on him, and his activities january 6th before and after, and that is a brilliant strategy if they take that approach.
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>> you were talking about sidney powell, and what are the actions that could put her in jeopardy? why is there focus on the money? >> you raise money based on a fraud. you lie to people to get money. that is a crime. money, wire fraud, mail fraud, money laundering. and you take that money, you then further this schemes that are laid out in donald trump's indictment. so there is a connection between her alleged fund-raising kerfuffle if you will, and the scheme and goals of donald trump's conspiracy. because there are several goals of the conspiracy that was charged against him, and then you could also go down to atlanta, and that is seven schemes. so you raise money based on the lie. you get it. then you spend it on things that are illegal. the last time i looked at the
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law books, that is a crime. >> counselor, you brought up atlanta, and talk about georgia, fulton county here, and far more many defendants there and some of whom will be charged together, and politico had a great story here and others have noted it, too, that some of the defendants are starting to if not turn on each other, at least reference each other in court filings in ways that are not necessarily advantageous to all. when you have that many defendants what are the risk to start seeing them turn? >> well, think of lobsters in a barrel. they are all trying to climb out, and they are all pulling each other down. i just finished a six-week trial february and march, oathkeeper, and he got probation with a great judge, but we had one key co-op ray or the, and in every case of this magnitude hinges on one or two cooperators and the
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proud boys hinged on one main co-op ray or the and so what is going to happen among the 19 is that you will face the prisoner's dilemma. do i take a bullet for the team, or do i think about me? do i think about me, me alone and what my future holds? and so you are going to be seeing two or three people cooperating before that trial starts, and they are going to be very important witness. they could decide the case for or against donald trump, giuliani and the others. >> prisoner's dilemma, do i cooperate before another perhaps cooperates against me. that is the question that many of the defendants could soon face. gene rossi, thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> and he was convicted of his wife and son's murders. what cnn is learning and what
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all right. new this morning the kremlin is declining to comment on the reports that kim jong-un may soon travel to russia to meet with vladimir putin. and the u.s.s is worried that arms talks are rapidly advancing, and all part of the deal that moscow may supply russia with weapons to use against ukraine. there is details that it may
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take place in the campus against vladivostock, and this is very close to north korea. and there is also where an economic forum is to take place. kylie atwood is there at the state department. what are you learning? >> we are learning from the spokesperson adrian watson that kim jong un is expected to have an engagement with president putin in russia. the nsc is not saying anything regarding timing and the new york times is saying that it could be in vladivostock as soon as this month, and we know that kim jong-un has gone there in the past, and he has taken a train there, and it is close to north korea and russia. officials have been warning in the course of recent weeks that these conversations between north korea and russia on the potential new arms agreement between the two countries have
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been actively advancing. we have been seeing the steps that could indicate that they are headed towards a leader level discussion on the matter. it is back in july when the russian defense minister traveled to north korea and according to the nsc to have arms sold to russia. and there was also a delegation officials from russia that went to north korea after that, and since then, kim jong-un and putin have exchanged letters. and john kirby said this is showing an act of desperation on the part of putin. this what he shared. >> weakness! why else would mr. putin have to be reaching out to rogue regimes. he is going to iran, and going to north korea to try to get artillery shells and the basic materiels to shore up the industrial base. there is no other way to look at
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that than desperation and weakness, quite frankly. >> now, john kirby also said that the u.s. expects this deal that is potentially the come the fruition would include a significant amount of ammunition of north korea to russia to be used in russian weapons systems and the raw materials from north korea to russia that they could be using in the defense industrial complex. the concern also is what russia would be giving to north korea with u.s. officials telling me that the expectation is that north korea is looking for advanced technology that could be used in areas where they have not quite advanced as far as they want to. so the concern is really on both sides here. >> a lot of possible reasons for concern. kylie atwood, please keep us posted. kate? >> and we will talk about this more with cnn retired analyst general wesley clark.
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general, thank you for coming in. what do you think of the new reporting? what can north korea provide to russia, and how much of a difference would it make? >> north korea can provide russia with ammunition, artillery, technology of all sorts of types, and low technology for weapons and plus the raw materials. so they would be at least in the near term a major factor in enabling russia to do more against the northeast offensive against ukraine. now, there has been discussions for months that the talks are on going. and some belief that weapons or ammunition has already been provided and the latest reports that we are getting from the battlefield, a period of time where it seemed that the russian forces didn't have the artillery they wanted and now it seems that they are getting the artillery ammunition to re-establish the dominance in
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rates of fire over ukraine, so maybe some of it is already happening. >> previously and in somewhat the united states has used the public strategy of releasing intelligence of russia in order to deter the nations from helping with the war effort, and if that is what we are seeing is here, do you think that it going to work with north korea, and does north korea care in the way that china would seem to in the way of being called out? >> well, kim jong-un is a clever negotiator, and he plays all angles. so he wants something from putin, and he is giving something to putin or perhaps going to give a lot more to putin to get what he wants, but he is also sensitive to what china might say and to some extent sensitive to the world community. so he's weighing the risks. the united states strategy of
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releasing information has some impact, but putin is as john kirby said increasingly desperate to get the materiels and the munitions that he needs to strengthen his attack into ukraine. so i think that he going to make the bargain and i expect kim jong-un to get what he wants out of it. >> i wanted to ask you, general, about something that is happening in the united states and going on now for five months. the current secretaries of the navy, the air force and the army all pen an opinion piece in the washington post out this morning calling out republican senator tommy tuberville over his protest hold on confirming senior officer confirmation posts, and now congress coming back to session today, and now, the secretaries write that this hold is eroding the foundation
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of america's military. this is what they write. across the services many generals and admirals are asked to per former two roles simultaneously, and it is an unfair burden on themselves and their families and this is exacting a personal toll on those who least deserve it. any claim of withholding this exacting the military is wrong. plain and simple. this is remarkable that it is going on for five-plus months. what do you think of this, and remarkable to see the current secretary of the navy s air force and army speaking out in this way. what do you think? >> i am happy to see them speaking out. this hold is damaging. we have seen the holds in the past on individual officers' promotions, but this is different. it is a wholesale hold on normal
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summertime rotation and retirement that happens at the top of the armed forces. it is extremely damaging, and it is damaging not only because of the hold, but also for the reason behind it. because we are really bringing in the domestic politics in such a strong way into this military arena. the military is nonpolitical, and we serve the commander in chief, whatever party he or she is s and whatever party, does not matter. senator tuberville is a former football coach, and knows that you can't have a football team without coaching, so he has put the thumb on the jugular here of the u.s. armed forces. the republican party and the leaders in the senate need to put a stop to this. that is certainly the message that is being delivered by the service secretaries. >> yeah. and this message from the service secretaries in this opinion piece is worth a read in the washington post. thank you, general.
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did not create a second majority black district. in the opinion, the judges say they were disturbed by the state's actions in this case. a federal court had told alabama that they had to go redraw their districts to include two majority black districts, and alabama came back, and did not complete the homework assignment basically according to federal court today. i want to bring in cnn's joan bis biskupic, and bring us up to speed. >> yes, this state because told by a special three-judge court to do it, and effectively, as you said, it did not do the homework from same teacher. this is the same three-judge panel that has found that alabama had likely violated the voting rights act of 1965 by drawing only one district where blacks had the opportunity to elect a candidate of their choice. alabama has seven districts, and 27% of the population is
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african-american, and the state legislators had drawn one district where they could have elected a candidate of their choice in that one district, so this special panel had said go back and redraw it. the state appealed to the supreme court, and the supreme court in june affirmed three-judge panel, and said, yes, alabama, you have failed here, and you not apided by the voting rights act, and sent it back. alabama dug in deeper saying that, no, we don't have to create a second opportunity or district here, and surely tempting this panel which reacted very strongly, and the judges said that we are deeply troubled that the state enacted a map that the state readily admits that it does not provide the remedy that federal law requires. i wanted to say something about the panel that you should know, it is no way a flaming liberal
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court that has been striking down alabama's effort here. it is made up of two trump appointees, and one appointee of the former president bill clinton, and so this is a court that had spent, you know, seven full days looking at the evidence in the first review of this district, and said, no, alabama, you need to provide a second district here, and the supreme court upholds what this special panel has done in june, and alabama is defiant, and alabama is looking for another round of the supreme court, but given what the supreme court has said in the first round, even though i have to admit it is by a narrow 5-0 justice vote, i think that alabama is headed for another rejection of the supreme court, and one last thing, this is really affecting the voting rights in alabama, but it is overall going to affect the makeup of the house of representatives, because right now, as you know, the republicans hold a narrow
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majority in the house, and these battles, these voting rights battles could end up with more black majority districts and more democrats to change up the makeup of the u.s. house, so, john, this is a very important decision here. >> and it will be watched by both parties for sure. thank you, joan biskupic. >> you are rejected by the supreme court of the united states, and then you say, no thanks. >> you go to do this specific thing, and they did not go to do the specific thing. >> i am interested to see what happens from here. and now, new information coming n an disgraced south carolina lawyer and now killer alec murdaugh wants a new trial. we have learned that the request by the legal team will be based on allegations of jury tampering and murdaugh's double murder trial earlier in the year. the jury convicted him of killing his wife, maggie, and his son paul. he took the stand in his own defense, and he has maintained
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that he is innocent. joining us now for more on this latest twist is defense and trial attorney misty maris, and so jury tampering which is newly discovered evidence as teased out, and we be apparently hearing more from the legal team about this, but what are you hearing? >> always a twist with this case, right? we can't avoid them. so with the jury tampering, and this is a criminal act. jury tampering is generally some sort of outside undue influence exercised on the jurors for the purpose of influencing their determination at trial. it can be something extreme like a bribe. it could be coercion or a threat or something less extreme, for instance, sharing information with a juror about stuff that didn't come into the trial about evidence that was not admitted. so there a whole gambit of what it could be. there is jury tampering which is severe, and then jury misconduct
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which is not criminal, but it could form the basis of overturning the verdict. >> i want to see the news conference and the paperwork they file, because when the announcement came that it is jury tampering, there is some room for interpretation, because jury tampering is against the law and it is a very serious crime. i want to play something that alec murdaugh's son, surviving son, said about the jury in an interview recently. let's listen. >> 12 jurors all agreed that your dad kill your mom and paul. >> that is right. >> what do you think about that? >> i do not think it is fair. >> why? >> i was there for six weeks studying it. i think that it was a tilted table from the beginning. i think that unfortunately, a lot of the jurors felt that way prior to when they had to deliberate. it was predetermined in their minds prior to when they heard
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any shred of evidence that was given in that room. >> okay. that is not jury tampering. if the jury went in with a set decision beforehand, but it might be jury misconduct. >> possibly. and it depends what the facts are, because we have the read this. because a press conference is like a bombastic move, but jury misconduct could be something like a lie on one of the jury questionnaires, a prenotion about guilt or innocence that was intentionally kept from the attorneys during the voir dire process. all of those could be potentially qualifying as jury misconduct, and it is going to depend upon the fact specific analysis, and this is what happens here. this going before the trial judge. and he is asking the trial judge to overturn this verdict and get a new trial, and if there is jury tamper pg or misconduct, there is a hearing conducted be ti judge to dig into that.
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and the prosecutors would have a chance to cross-examine, and make a determination, the judge, whether or not if that is the basis for the new trial. >> wow. yeah. all in summary, and we do need to hear what happens at the press conference and what is coming in the filing. >> absolutely, and keep in mind from the appeal perspective, there a bunch of different rules as to what counts after-acquired evidence. one of them is that it has to be likely to change the outcome of the trial. so whatever we find out has to have been likely to change that, and since he testified, that is a tricky argument, because the case becomes so much more about credibility. could the jurors have found that this guy is a liar and so we believe he is guilty as opposed to something related to the allegations of misconduct or tampering. >> thank you for helping us to understand this news conference and reading of the allegations this afternoon. thank you.
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trump and ron desantis. and now, we are looking at a couple of weeks after the first debate, and now, what has changed? >> well, there is movement in the second tier of some of the candidates coming out of the debate and some went down a little bit, but by and large, nothing changed when it comes to donald trump. he has an enormous leap. it is like the home run derby, that aaron judge has a enormous lead and it is who coming in second. i think that in the next debate, it may be more of a factor than the first. but i haven't seen anything that any of them are saying that would make the trump supports move off of the dime. >> and that is what i am saying, congressman walker, if you are any of the candidates 40 points behind, how would you flip a trump voter? >> well, the key of the early states, iowa and new hampshire and to a certain degree, south
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carolina, and having been there and i have seen a couple of the folks at the debate who said, hey, i had a town hall neighborhood meeting for you at my home in new hampshire eight years ago, and so there is a lot of that going on and as the people are grumbling about the early states, these voters do take it seriously, and they don't make a decision until they put in the time and effort. it is not just for the show, and more than showing up to make a tv appearance, and you have to literally talk to the voters in a town hall setting. in particularly new hampshire, you to show up to the state fair in iowa, and this the shot they have, and to show some momentum, and come in a close second to president trump in one of the early primaries and show that you the one who could be the viable alternative, but again, i have yet to see on the debate stage and the campaign trail that anybody is moving people who are firmly behind donald trump. >> you show up, and you talk to them maybe in iowa and new hampshire, but about what?
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is there something that you can sell them on that could get them to change their minds? >> well, talk about the big ideas, and it is not enough to run a traditional campaign to talk about the record. you lay out a loose agenda. it as to be a very specific proposal and talk about a series of things that make you different not only from president trump, but anyone else in the race, and show that you will be as aggressive if not more so. part of the reason that so many primary voters are firmly behind vice president, an evd even if y don't like the tone or the tweets, and some who love it, and some who don't, but those who are vastly behind the president like what he accomplished. so if you are a candidate, and particularly in the early states, you have the show how you will do as well if not better, and that is a high bar. because people have said, i have seen it, and the pressures that president trump faced, and he did not back down. so you is to make the case, and the other pivot is that the candidates have to show the
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voter that they are likely to win, and then maybe they have a shot. >> there was a question in the first debate, would you support donald trump if he is nominate and convicted. i am not asking you that directly, but i am asking you what the impact of a convicted donald trump would be, a convict and nominated donald trump would be in the general election? >> well, it is like nothing that we have ever seen. the challenge and i have talked about this a number of times in the past of each of them whether it is up in manhattan and georgia and the federal courts, and what is making this unique is that it is an indictment for embezzlement or physical crime d against someone, and while this is federal crimes and why people could be with president trump, and many of them feel that he has been targeted and even if you don't believe with the assessment of the 2020 election, many of them feel like he felt
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that the election had somehow been stolen with him, and i am not arguing if that is the case or not, but that is what he felt. and so a lot of the folks felt the questioning of the timing and the circumstances and question the politics involved with it, but again, this is unchartered territory, and we don't have anything to compare this to in the past. it is not only the primary voters, but the other part where i am standing in my home state of wisconsin, even in the general election, normally the swing voters would be turned off, and they may very well be, but other voters if they perceive it that he is attacked for fighting for everyday men and women, then it might have a appeal, and who knows, throw the playbook out the window. >> scott walker, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. and the search area is expanding, and new photos and images of an escaped killer where there is a manhunt that is still under way.
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we be focused on? >> yes, kate. and coco gauff is still going, and still a teenager, and don't forget that, but it is two decades since an american man last won in front of the american crowd, and that was andy roddick in 2003, and so for the first time we will see two black men, frances tiafoe and ben shelton. and tiafoe has only dropped one set in four matches, but he has never faced shelton as pro or his powerful serve. he has a 149-mile-an-hour serve twice on sunday, and the most powerful in the tour. there are three american men still in the draw, and that is the first time happened since 2005 and ninth-seeded taylor fritz has a daunting task ahead of him if he wants to reach the grand slam semi for the first
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time. and who has he got? oh, only to 23-time major champion novak djokovic. he has never lost, and he won in straits the last time they played in cincinnati. and now, young coco gauff is going to be taking court at arthur ashe, and the young 19-year-old phenom has made history becoming the first american teen to reach the quarters since serena williams did it. and the next challenge is making it to the semis and she must get past jelena os tapenko who advanced by beating the world number one iga swiatek.
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