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cnn's evan perez joins me now from outside the federal courthouse. so prosecutors asking for 33 years. of course, it is up to the judge within guidelines. but what do we expect here? >> well, jim, the judge, timmy kelly, has given far under what prosecutors have been asking for. this is the fifth member of the proud boys. he's one of four of them who have been convicted of seditious conspiracy. he wasn't actually at the capitol on that date. he had been arrested just before january 6th, before the crowd gathered that day. in part because he had weapons on him and he was involved in a previous altercation, stealing a sign at a church right here in the district of columbia. so for that reason, he wasn't here. but prosecutors say he was in touch with members of the group, who were here on the ground and who formed, really, the point of the spear to get the crowd, the mob, into the capitol that day,
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breaking windows and so on. right now, the judge is gaveling the hearing to start. and so we're waiting to see what he decides here. as you pointed out, you know, members of the proud boys, there is four of them who have already been sentenced in the last few days. ethan got 18 years. joseph bigs got 17 years. zachary real 15 years. and a lower-level member of the group, dominic g. got 10 years. we're expecting tario, because of his leadership role, to get a lot more than that. now, prosecutors are making the point, jim, that what the proud boys did that day was not just called violence. they also stole from americans the peaceful transfer of power, something the judge has already emphasized in a number of the sentencings. so the hearing is about to get underway in court and we'll see what he decides. >> understood. so the prosecutors are asking for 33 years.
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is there a range for seditious conspiracy that the judge uses as a guard here or has to decide within that range, or does he have flexibility? >> he has a lot of flexibility. and one of the big -- one of the reasons why we have seen such a variation and a variance, really, from what prosecutors have been asking for is that the judge, timmy kelly, has declined to use the terrorism enhancement, which is something prosecutors have been asking for. what he's saying is, look, what happened that day is very, very serious. he's not detracting from any of that, but he does not believe it rises to the level of terrorism. that's one of the reasons why you have seen sentences come in well below what prosecutors have been asking for. >> understood. mitigating or aggravating circumstances. we'll see what the ultimate decision is. thank you so much. a key trump ally just
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pleaded not guilty. mark meadows entered his plea today in fulton county, georgia. he's still trying to get those state charges moved to federal court, though. that's a ruling that could be imminent. last hour, the final remaining plea from a codefendant was filed. that means that all 19, trump included, have pleaded not guilty. cnn's sara murray is tracking all of it for us. we know we're waiting this decision by a judge on whether meadows can move to federal court, but he does file a plea of not guilty. >> yeah, that's right. it is a little bit of housekeeping for all of these 19 defendants who have now formally entered their pleas of not guilty. they waived their arraignments. it looks like it would be a big day in court on wednesday with all of these folks parading in and appearing before a judge and also appearing before cameras. now it is not going to happen since they waived their arraignments. they will no longer have to show up in fulton county superior court in person.
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this gets us to the next fades of what's about to happen. for mark meadows, that's an open question of whether this will proceed in state court or in federal court. as you pointed out, he's been arguing everything he did he did as his role as white house chief of staff. we're waiting to see what a judge has to say about it. the other people that are waiting to see what happens is the trump team. we expect them to move donald trump's case to federal court, but they may be biding their team to see how this plays out for mark meadows. >> if it succeeds for mark meadows, we could be other motions coming. since there is not going to be this huge arraignment tomorrow, does it mean that their cases will then move faster? >> i think what we're going to see are some organizational moves by the judge to try to determine who exactly wants to move ahead under this speedy trial, you know, rule where ken
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is moving ahead to trial in 2023. sydney powell wants to be on a speedy trial schedule, but they don't want to be on trial together, so the judge will have to sort out how he wants to deal with that. and then sift through the people that said they don't want to go to trial in october of this year. that includes former president donald trump. and if he will move forward with trying them altogether at a later date. so there is a lot for this judge to sort through as he tries to herd these 19 defendants toward a potential trial date. >> herding is the right word to use for 19 co-defendants. sara murray, thank you so much. now to the federal election interference case. this is a cnn exclusive. the special counsel is now focussing on how trump allies used bogus election fraud claims to raise money and whether that money funded breaches of voting equipment in multiple battleground states. former trump lawyer could be at the heart of all of this saying
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sources of jack smith's team are asking questions about her role now. and is a co-defendant in the sweeping georgia case. cnn's zachary cohen helped break this story. what did you find? >> yeah. we're getting indications this investigation is expanding and expanding in a way that maybe means that some of these unindicted coconspirators mentioned in the indictment of donald trump could face legal jeopardy here. one in particular, sydney powell, my colleague and i -- paul lay reed and i, through our sources know, at least two witnesses have been interviewed by the special counsel since the indictment of trump. it's been a couple weeks. they have been asked specifically about defending the republic. they want to know the money raised by sydney powell and this group and then was ultimately spent to find evidence of voter fraud, including by breaching these voting systems in multiple states. invoices show that the republican funded these.
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so, look, jack smith is looking into a new line of inquiry here. even though trump is already indicted, we are now seeing other individuals who were key players potentially getting looked at more closely. >> so a reminder here, right, we're seeing these people connected to sydney powell who have been charged in michigan and georgia so far. they're also connected to other efforts we have seen to breach voting efforts in other states. people forget about this part of the scheme. i wonder will jack smith and how far down is he going to go, do you think? >> it is interesting because until this point we haven't gotten an indication that authorities were aggressively investigating these voting system breaches. even now it looks like they are looking at the breaches of the context of the money behind them. who was funding them and who was paying for them. but at the state level, we have seen these same individuals pop up time and time again in arizona and michigan.
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so do a few others that have come up in georgia. so we're seeing the same names and we have seen some of these folks get invited. stephanie lam bert was indicted in michigan. now her name is popping up in pennsylvania. so it is unclear how jack smith is fitting this in to the broader context of his investigation. but it is interesting he's looking at the money trial. >> it reminds me of that game you play when you are little when you are connecting words, but you are seeing over and over these people getting connected to different states. great reporting by you and paula. thank you so much. i want to bring in bradley moss, a partner in the law office of mark zade. sydney powell was not indicted by jack smith, but she is unindicted co-conspirator 3. and this grand jury runs until september 15th. of course it could be extended. do you think we see her becoming an indicted co-conspirator? >> from the looks of it, yeah.
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i think there is going to be another indictment brought by jack smith. possibly also john eastman, jeffrey clark, the ones we have been expecting and other unindicted co-conco-conspirator. this is going to be about mail-in fire fraud tied to election systems not just in georgia but multiple states that she and her organization were tied to. we know she's facing several lawsuits and obviously facing potential speedy trial in georgia. she has a lot of incentive if indicted in the federal case to try to find a way to turn on those she was conspireing with, according with the authorities. she has a lot of reasons to try and strike a deal if she is faced with the federal indictment on top of the rest of this? >> what happens? there are state level charges concerning voting breaches in michigan and then this large rico case in georgia.
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how does this interact with the federal case? could those help or hinder a federal case? >> yeah. so this is where it will get messy and complicated because there are all these cases going on. there is an investigation in arizona that's ongoing. we know there is the indictments out of michigan. people will start facing a point. sydney powell is not the only one, where they start to introduce evidence to defend themselves or make deals to get themselves out of this because eventually they will either start facing convictions in one case that will hurt them in others or they will have to start addressing this on the stand if they try to defend themselves and increment themselves on a state level or a federal level. this is where it get messy and a wild 12 months or so toward the election. there will be a lot of these players that either get convicted or strike plea deals as we get closer to donald
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trump's trial. >> what about sydney powell? when you think back to her testimony, she's such a true believers or she certainly was still even then even as people had had a change of heart or had felt in a way that they were used in the process of all of this. she was a true believer there. do you think there is any possibility that she could flip? >> i certainly think so if there is a means to try to minimize any criminal penalty. mind you, her legal career is already in serious jeopardy. she's facing serious lawsuits. she already has that problem from a civil and financial standpoint. but she's got georgia. now she will face federal charges. she doesn't want to spend her glory years sitting in a prison whether state or federal level. she will start looking at it as how do i save myself here? what kind of deal can i make? and what kind of testimony can i provide that would be of use to law enforcement authorities, not
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just against her co-defendants but obviously donald trump in particular. >> we'll have to see if that's what happens. bradley moss, thank you so much. >> boris? >> so we've got some new cnn polling to share with you. it shows donald trump is holding strong among his supporters, even gaining ground despite his fourth indictment, but that may not be the case with the general elec electorate. here's david to walk us through the numbers. >> his support is getting stronger. donald trump is in a dominant position in this race. it is basically a one-man race right now. this is a national snapshot, obviously. 52% of republican or republican-leaning independents support trump. that's a majority. ron desantis is down to 18%. everyone else is in single digits here. obviously you could add up the whole field not named trump and trump would still win the
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contest there if the election were today. >> it doesn't make up that enormous gap. what does the polling say about republicans' concerns over his indictments? >> this is such an interesting finding in the poll, boris. so this is just among the republican and republican-leaning independents, but we split them here for reaction whether they are trump supporters or they are supporting someone else in the race. we said, hey, might the charges against trump negatively affect his ability to win in 2024? a third of trump supporters say, yes, it might. but a majority of the republican-supporting candidates not named trump are concerned that impacts the electability. only 15% of trump supporters believe that will impact negatively, but a majority of those supporting elsewhere. same thing here. 16% say the ability to serve a full term will be negatively impacted. 46% supporting other candidates say it will have that. so here's the thing. there is real concern if you are a republican not supporting
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trump. yet, his republicans aren't making the case on the indictments. we asked whether any of these charges should disqualify trump from the presidency. this is overall. this is the overall u.s. population, right? 51% say she should be disqualified on the january 6th charges. 58% on overturning the charges. but on that 2020, when you look at just republicans, you see what a different place we're in. only 13% of republicans think the charges in the 2020 election case are disqualifying. that compares to 48% overall. >> so let's look at the general electorate then. how are these affecting them there? >> in terms of u.s. adults overall, we checked in on trump's favorability. since june, you see he has a slight uptick in his favorables with republicans. he's at 75% favorable. even with independents since
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june. and democrats roughly the same. he is still largely popular with republicans. unpopular with independents and obviously democrats. >> really stunning, though. there is improvement at every level. >> yeah. >> fascinating. thank you so much. jim? >> top military leaders are urging tommy tubberville to hend his block on military for the sake of national security. cuba says it has uncovered a human trafficking network that is sending cubans to fight for russia in ukraine. and senate minority mitch mcconnell is returning to the heel after freezing in front of the cameras twice this summer. next what his office is saying about his health. you are watching "cnn central." and we'll be right back. you ne. you could save $700 dollars just by switching. ooooh, let me put a reminder on my phone. on the top of the pile! oh. only pay for what you neneed.
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actively advancing. in july the u.s. says he tried to convince the north korean regime to sell artillery ammunition to moscow. north korea is seeking key technologies in return for russia, such as advanced satellite and nuclear powered submarine capabilities. joining me now is steve hall, former cia chief. big picture here just for a moment. what does it say that vladimir putin has to reach out to not one, but two smaller nations. iran first and then north korea for help to simply keep the artillery pieces firing in ukraine? >> yeah, jim. the way you put the question is exactly right. why in god's name would russia need to reach out to these very small and usually poor countries to try to bolster their own war capability inside of ukraine?
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if you had asked me a couple years ago do you see russia, do you see putin and the kremlin reaching out to north korea and saying, hey, please help us with this war, that is a definite sign of weakness and a definite sign of how hard up, basically, the russians are with regard to ammunition and other critical components, too. part of the deal, this is not just north korea doing this because they're nice to russia, they will demand something in return. the problem is with the stuff they're demanding, russia needs that, too. they need all of the things that north korea is asking for. so it is going to be hard for them to provide it all. >> hold that thought on what they get in return because this is also a concern with iran, but with china. as you know, there has been a great deal of concern with this administration that china was going to provide lethal military aid to russia. the fact that russia is depending on iranian and north korean support, is that
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indicative to you that china is not playing ball in terms of that support? >> yeah. the problem with china is they understand if you look across the geopolitical landscape right now, you have rogue nations like north korea and iran, increasingly russia. china is in an interesting position. china has a huge economy. it is a huge country. it really is, in many ways, a super power. the super power that russia is, but they don't want to burn their bridges because they had so many economic ties to the west, which the chinese are dependent on. it is easier for north korea who doesn't have anything to lose because they have little relations with anybody, but the chinese do. >> with iran, the quid pro quo from iran was missile technology. that's a problem in the middle east in terms of both u.s. allies there and just general stability. north korea here asking for nuclear submarine technology,
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that's a big deal. and i wonder if you could describe to folks at home not watching this so closely what that means in terms of prolive nation of these sorts of weapons systems. >> well, what it means is sort of what we have always known about north korea, which is they aspire to being a nuclear power. we have seen the american intelligence community's assessment that they have enough material to be able to at least begin and probably construct bombs. so if they want to add a submarine capability to that, that is scarier. the ability to pull this off or the iranians to pull something like this off is a hard thing for them to do. the iranians on the nuclear side. the north koreans continue to have problems with that sort of thing. >> of course a submarine gets closer to shorelines, it is less
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warning time. something to watch closely. thanks so much, as always. >> sure. >> in a highly unusual, very public review, three of the nation's top military officials are warning that republican senator tom my tuberville's blok of 300 military promotions is, quote, putting our national security at risk. the secretaries of the navy, army and air force authored, we know officers who have incurred significant unforeseen occurrences and financial stress because they had to relocate their families or unexpectedly maintain two residences. military spouses who have worked to maintain careers of their own are unable to maintain jobs because they don't know when or if they will move. children haven't known when or if they will go to school which is particularly hard because they change schools so often
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already. we believe senators and americans across the political spectrum recognize the stakes of this moment and the dangers of politicizing our military leaders. it is time to lift this dangerous hold and confirm our senior military leaders. cnn's manu raju is joining us live from capitol hill. that is a scathing review. do you think this could his mind at all? >> tommy tuberville has been demanding that the pentagon scrap its policy and providing reimbursements for service members who travel out of states for the procedure. he wants that gone completely or a vote on the senate floor to essentially codify it. assuming they had a vote on the floor, that would fail, which is why the democrats don't want to agree and go down that route. so this standoff has led to him doing what any senator can do, which is to place a hold on a
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nomination. there are ways around it. chuck schumer could schedule a vote on each of these individual nominations, but that takes time. and schumer has made clear he has no desire to give in to tommytom tommy the upperville's demands. these nominees could be confirmed rather quickly. but some key ones are held up as well, including potentially the new chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. someone needs to be confirmed by the end of september. otherwise, that could be a vacancy in that extremely vacant post. he believes this is not putting national security at risk. he says he has had conversations with other people in the military who have not raised this concern. he believes if chuck schumer wants to appoint these nominees, they can move one by one. it is only bound to intensify. the only thing at the moment
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that could change the calculus, if pressure among republicans really intensifies. you have heard some republicans raise concerns, including mitch mcconnell. very few of them leaned on tommy tuberville. that would be enough to change his mind if republicans began to ratchet up their pressure campaign. he said no. >> really quickly before i let you go, how long would it take to go one by one in the senate and get these folks confirmed? >> it could take weeks up to months. put that to tom my tuberville a well. if the senator wanted to confirm these, we could stay in over the weekends, too, and get these critical nominees confirmed. but the majority leader does not want to give in to demand from one individual senate who is pushing him to relent. >> all right. the standoff continuing. manu raju live for us on capitol hill. so recess is over with lawmakers headed back to capitol
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hill. in just a few minutes, the senate will return to session. there are a number of items on its must do short list, including avoiding a government shutdown in less than four weeks. but all eyes are going to be on minority leader mitch mcconnell. after two medical incidents this summer where he froze up in front of cameras, raising questions about his age and his ability to lead his party. today a capitol doctor released an update on mcconnell's health. for that, let's take you to capitol hill. melanie, bring us up to speed on what we heard from the medical update and whether we expect to hear from mcconnell discussing his health in just a few moments. >> yeah. so the capitol physician said that mcconnell underwent a comprehensive neurology assessment, which included multiple rounds of tests. manu raju reported he saw four different neurologists and it was concluded mcconnell did not suffer a stroke or a seeshizure.
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he said there is no evidence that you have a seizure disorder or you experienced a stroke, tia or movement disorder such as parkinson's disease. there are no changes recommended as you continue recovery from your march 2023 fall. this letter comes on top of another one that mcconnell's office released last week saying that he was medically cleared to return to work. clearly, his team trying to be more transparent about his health and end all the speculation about his health and his political future. of course, he is also trying to put on a front of business as usual. we are expected to hear from him. he will deliver his remarks here on the senate floor. he will have some leadership meetings later tonight. and then tomorrow he is going to face the press and reporters once again at his weekly press conference. most critically, he is going to face his own members for the first time since that episode
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behind closed doors at their weekly lunches. i'm sure if this topic will come up. i'm sure he will be asked about it at the press conference. but it remains to be seen whether this is going to be enough to really quell the questions and concerns about his health and about his ability to lead. boris? >> we await those remarks on the floor of the senate in a few moments. thanks so much. a federal court just rejected alabama's updated congressional map. the supreme court had ordered the state to create a second majority black district, and they just didn't. stay with us. and it's making quite the spectacle. for a limited time, get two pairs of celebrity-inspired frames by p privé revaux co-founder jamie foxx for only $89.95 book your exam today.
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this is quite a legal story. a federal court has struck down alabama's latest attempt at a congressional redirecting map. in fact, the panel of three judges not only rejected that map, but rebuked those behind it for flat-out ignoring what has been ordered by higher courts. the judges were appointed by donald trump, so the new map did not create a second majority black district as, we should note, the supreme court had ordered earlier this year. remember this battle could control who determines the house, which right now republicans have under a thin majority. but a whole host of other legal things here. the supreme court already said months ago you have to re-write this map. they refused to do it. >> yeah. these three judges were so angry today because the state of alabama has denied not only this three-judge panel, which originally ruled that the state
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had deluded the voting power of blacks in the state, but also divide the supreme court. this all started about two years ago when alabama drew a map that lower court found deluded the black voting power of people in the state. the voters challenged the supreme court. the supreme court let that map take effect for the 2022 elections, but then came back in june of this year and said it agreed with that three-judge panel and ordered it to go back and draw a new map. well, the state didn't. it still has one black majority district out of seven in a state that is 27% black. and here's what -- let me tell you what works out. >> please because the language is remarkable. >> we are deeply troubled the state enacted a map that provides the remedy we said federal law requires. that federal law is the 1965 voting rights act. here is what the state has just said, just put out about an hour
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ago. and this is the attorney general steve marshall. while we are disappointed in today's decision, we believe the legislature's map complies with the voting act and the decision of the u.s. supreme court. we intend to seek review from the supreme court to ensure the state can use its lawful congressional district's map in 2024 and beyond. you know what the lower court has done here. it said we don't trust you to draw another map. if by september 25th a special master better have drawn a whole new map. in the meantime, now we know what the state is trying to do, get to the supreme court. >> this is already a watered down 1965 voting rights act. but even under that version, they said this doesn't pass muster here. what is the likelihood if he does appeal, this is the supreme court, they send it back again? >> i think, jim, the supreme court is done with this and is going to once again, affirm the
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three-judge panel. this is two donald trump appointees. i think alabama is really testing its luck. now alabama thinks that was a shaky five-vote majority. that's its idea. you could tell alabama thought give us one more crack at the supreme court. i don't think so. i think the supreme court in my -- we haven't seen any briefs yet or what the arguments will be. i think the supreme court will stick to where it was in june of last year. >> fascinating case. thanks so much. boris? still to come on "cnn news central," law enforcement made a possibly identification of the woman seen in drawings by a serial killer. and new tips police say they're getting when we come back. stay with us. ♪
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a big break in an old case in a case known as btk. cnn was the first to obtain this drawing by the murderer. it shows a girl in a green dress tied up in a barn. now the sheriff in oklahoma says he may be close to identifying who she is. investigators are getting help from the case from the killer's daughter who pleaded guilty. the daughter of the killer who pleaded guilty to ten murders, dating back to the 1970s. gene broke these details. disturbing pictures, women who look scared, quite frankly, including this one. who do they think that this girl is? >> well, they're not releasing that information at all. but his journal, which is many,
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many pages, and it has never been released to the public, law enforcement has kept it all this time since he confessed in 2005 to 10 murders, and he is now serving 10 life terms. but the county sheriff wanted to solve unsolved crimes in his era. he believed dennis raider could have played that role, so he obtained that journal. we began talking, and he released exclusively to cnn these pictures of these girls in barns. as you can see, they are bound. we released it friday night on anderson cooper's show. over the weekend, they got many calls, many tips, and they do now believe that they are able to identify the girl that is you can see in green. no more information at this time. it will be a busy week for them. but they believe these are real victims because of the detail in the faces. just like you said, because of
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the clothing and the color of the clothing. and they also believe there are or nate aspects to these barns, and they are asking anyone in the oklahoma/kansas state line area, look at the barnes you have. maybe the barns have been torn down. the daughter of dennis raider, btk, has stepped forward currently to volunteer her services because she knew her father better than anyone. listen to what she has said to me. >> we're very concerned that those were drawn in real life. we believe he has several more missing and murdered. there are at least nine cases that have been reopened across three states. we're looking at more. i'm not at liberty to discuss complete numbers right now. i don't think anybody has a concept of whole numbers. there is 200 of these drawings. we're trying to sort out if
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they're actual crime scenes or actual missing victims. >> we also want to talk just a second. cynthia dawson kenny is separate and distinct from the barn drawing. she is out of oklahoma. she went missing in 1976, a high school cheerleader. shortly after she went missing, an anonymous male caller said you will find her body in a barn. they went to one barn. they didn't find it. it's been unsolved for years. her family are still alive and still wondering. and that's why the focus is on dennis raider. not for him but for the families that have never gotten closure. >> yeah. so many people with questions about their loved ones. thank you for that report. boris? now to some of the other headlines we're watching this afternoon. schools in the northeast set to begin their first day back today are closed or dismissing students early as extreme heat bakes the region. some areas around baltimore and
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washington could reach around 100 degrees for the first time in several years. and the near record breaking temperatures are set to linger for the rest of the week. right now more than 50 million people are under heat alerts across much of the central and eastern u.s. meantime, overseas, hong kong's high court ordered the city's government to set up a new frame work to legally recognize the rights of same sex couples. it is a victory for lgbtq activists. hong kong does not allow or grant same sex marriage or unions. even though homosexuality has been decriminalized. the government has two years to comply with the court's ruling. and in europe a 22-year-old german tourist has been detained in italy for allegedly damaging a 16th century statue of neptune. if you can make it out, investigators say the man climbed over a barrier and stood
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>> at the u.s. open, coco gauff continues her magical run toward a possible major title. cnn world sport anchor patrick snell joins us now. quite a win in the quarters. who is up next in the semis? >> coco gauff doing america proud, no question. jim, we all know she's a fan favorite. now she's done something no american teen has done since the great serena williams and that was 22 years ago, and that's advancing to the u.s. open semis. gauff was a finalist last year in paris at the french open taking on yelena ostopenko in the round of 16 and this one, i have to say it was really over before it started. the world number six didn't lose a game in the opener before wrapping it all up, 6-0, 6-2 and victory in just an hour and eight minutes and having won 16 of her last 17 matches and the atlanta-born coco gauff will next face, to answer your question, karolina and for the
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