he's an american soldier, an american military man. he's got a family, a wonderful family, and it's our obligation to bring him back. >> bill richardson helped bring many detained americans home, including the wnba star brittney griner, who was freed by russia late last year. his work on behalf of u.s. prisoners and hostages overseas is a huge part of bill richardson's remarkable life and legacy. my deepest, deepest condolences to his wife barbara. may he rest in peace and may his memory be a blessing. to our viewers, thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in the situation room.. erin burnett out front starts right now. up front next, the breaking news, 22 years, the longest

sentence yet for a january 6th insurrectionist, that ruling comes hours before a key hearing for donald trump himself. new details about the heavily armored train kim jong un will take to meet with vladimir putin in russia, taking no chances with his security, kim's own bodyguards that could be serving as decoys. amazon forcing workers back into the office, is remote work about to be a thing of the past? let's go out front. >> good evening to all. i'm erin burnett. outfront tonight the breaking news, the longest sentence yet for a january 6th insurrectionist, 22 years. that is how long the former proud boys leader, enrique tarrio, will in building prison for his role in the riot, guilty, sentenced for seditious conspiracy and leading a plot to prevent the transfer of

power from donald trump to joe biden. they say it was donald trump's words. it was his motivation. it was his anger that caused what occurred on january 6th. they want to use enrique tarrio as a scapegoat for donald trump and those in power. today's sentence does raise a crucial question because while blaming someone else is a legal defense strategy and you'd expect them to do that, it is a fact without trump contesting the election saying it was stolen and rigged, if he'd graciously conceded and moved on, none of those people would have been on capitol hill that day in the first place. that is a fact. today's sentence comes as we are hours from his hearing in georgia that could determine the future of trump himself. the fulton county judge overseeing the 2020 election interference case will hold his first hearing and this hearing will be televised. that's the law in georgia. this will be the case. the key question the judge, scott mcafee, wants prosecutors to answer is this. what is a good faith estimate for how long it would take to

put all 19 defendants, which include trump, on trial at the same time? 19 at the same time does sound like a lot. trump's lawyers do not want him tried with his co-defendants. they say they don't have sufficient time to prepare for trial in under seven weeks. the d.a. wants to try everyone together which may give leverage to get them to turn on each other. all 19 right now pleaded not guilty. that includes mark meadows, whom as we speak is waiting for a decision that could make or break not only his case, but trump himself. a georgia judge is expected to rule any moment whether trump's former chief of staff, mark meadows, should be allowed to move his case from fulton county to federal court. why does this matter? trump has a lot riding on it because if meadows is successful getting his case moved to federal court, trump could follow suit. that would mean no cameras, for example, broadcasting his trial live around the globe. it also could give the former president a more favorable jury

pool outside fulton county. to give you a look at the makeup of that county, in 2020 biden won the state with 73% of the vote. four years earlier clinton beat trump by more than 40 percentage votes after winning 69% of the votes. you see the situation in fulton county. in federal court it would be different in terms of a jury pool. it would be from people across northern georgia which is significantly more conservative than fulton county. in order for meadows to be victorious, he needs to convince a judge he was just carrying out his duties when he tried to keep trump in power, nothing to see here. remember, he was there on the phone with trump during that infamous phone call in january 2021 between trump and the georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger. >> what i'm hoping for, is there some way we can find some

kind of agreement to look at this a little bit more fully. >> all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state. >> so there's a lot to get to tonight as we await these decisions, hearings. i want to start with evan perez in washington. let's start with this meadows ruling and hours away from the hugely significant hearing in the georgia case. the meadows ruling, that could be quite a significant precedent. >> reporter: right, erin. a lot is riding on that and on the hearing we'll have tomorrow with the meadows ruling which could come any moment. the federal judge there is deciding whether to bring meadows' case, but there's a lot of legal experts who believe if you bring one case, one defendant, you have to

bring all 19 would have to be moved over to federal court. that's something the judge may have to address in that ruling, which again could come at any moment. the other hearing tomorrow is also a procedural hearing, but it's also hugely important for a number of reasons. you have certainly the two defendants who are asking to be severed from this to go on trial in october, kenneth chesebro and sidney powell saying they don't want to wait and also want to be separated from everybody else. of course, donald trump and some of the other co-defendants are not ready. they say they want to be separated for their own reasons because they say that's way too fast. what hangs over this hearing tomorrow for the judge is how he's going to address that and the other question, of course, that he's asking the district attorney to answer is how long do you think it's going to take

to put all 19 defendants on trial? that's a big question. it will probably influence what decision he makes on severing those two defendants. >> i guess there's even logistics. 19 people, it's not just as easy as checking boxes here. evan, thank you very much. let's go now to ty cobb, former trump white house lawyer. ty, we're sort of chuckling, but it isn't easy to put 19 people on trial together. is that the case? do you think all 19 should be tried together or just from whatever legal point of view and logistical one would it make more sense to try them separately? >> i think it makes much more sense to try them together. >> try them together. >> i've tried cases, conspiracy, rico, continuing criminal enterprise cases when i was a prosecutor with upwards

of 28 defendants and that's very manageable, requires careful attention from the judge, but it can be done. now the complication here is the georgia trial act which is much stricter actually than the federal speedy trial act in terms of the defendant's rights to a speedy trial. having exercised his demand for a speedy trial, mr. chesebro was given an october 23rd trial date. sidney powell having asked for a speedy trial should be joined in that case. she should not get a separate trial from her co-conspirator. they will fight about that, but there really isn't a basis if they're both exercising a speedy trial demand to separate

the two with the same charges. now taking those off of the other 17, there is no reason those 17 couldn't be tried together, but the speedy trial act will force a division of defendants because just like they have a right to speedy trial, they also have a right to full discovery, time to digest the documents and that's what the trump team is arguing which is we need time to prepare for this trial. i'm highly confident that if people persist in their speedy trial demands, they will get a separate trial. it may not be the trial chesebro envisioned when he first made the motion because he's stuck with sidney powell now, but the other defendants i think will get tried together. >> i like that right to a speedy trial or a sclerotic

trial, right, in the eye of the beholder? >> that's fair. >> let me ask about mark meadows. we were talking about the potential significance of the precedent this could establish if he was able to move it in terms of a different jury pool, nontelevising of procedures, those among others. do you think he will be successful in moving his case to federal court? >> i don't believe so, but remember my position has always been he has the most credible case of all the potential federal defendants who are seeking to do this, but he did make some significant concessions with regard to his motion. he conceded that many of the activities that he participated in were political. that's outside his duties as chief of staff. the hatch act argument that

prosecutors developed with him also demonstrates what a thin line he's walking because the hatch act prohibits that. so that's per se illegal. that's not within his duties either. i think he has a tough road to hoe, but he has the only chance of anybody of moving it. now with regard to whether that would move the other defendants, the reality is there is no case under 1442, which is the supremacy clause exercise that meadows is engaged in trying to receive removal. there is no case yet that would move all the other defendants. it looks like an individual right. there is a case pending in the 11th circuit now that poses that question that's been fully briefed, as i understand it, but not yet ruled upon. >> one final question. in the transcript from meadows'

testimony he put in to further his bid to move the case, prosecutors asked why he was so concerned with coordinating the fake electors. his answer was, "because i know i would get yelled at," and when he's asked by whom, he said request, the president of the united states." it sort of struck they because a moment ago we opened our program with enrique tarrio's defense. in an odd way, meadows seemed to be similar. i was just doing what i was told or scared i'd get in trouble from the guy at the top. >> when you serve in that office, you take on a duty to take on and serve the constitution. it didn't prevent richardson from resigning in the face of nixon's demands they fire

archibald cox. they resigned. that's the choice you have when you have that level of responsibility. you're not obligated to break the law. >> ty, thank you very much, good to speak with you. >> great to see you. thank you, erin. next, new details about the lengths that north korea may be going to in order to keep kim jong un safe. he's about to meet with putin in russia about a potential arms deal. this includes the possibility of body doubles. this is a story you will see first here out front tonight. plus just in, a top republican senator who is also a physician is raising questions about what the capitol hill doctor says caused mitch mcconnell to freeze for the second time in two months. i think it's an inadequate explanation to say this is dehydration. new details about one man's chilling encounter with a convicted killer on the run after escaping from prison. (ella) fa >> woke up my shion wife, moi s i think there might be somebody

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officially being dismissed today, alexi reznikov. he was a crucial part of this war and his firing coming now is part of a widening corruption probe, more on this ahead as our melissa bell is out front. this is a story you will see here first out front. >> reporter: the flag now flies over what's left of robotny, the first victory of a three-month counteroffensive, a sort of great pride for the men of the 47th mechanized brigade. [ speaking in a non-english language ] >> reporter: the soldiers hadn't expected to find them, but rushed the handful of men and elderly women into their vehicle before speeding away as quickly as they could. [ speaking in a non-english language ]

[ speaking in a non-english language ] >> reporter: back in the safety of a nearby wood, the civilians are given much needed water and phones. [ speaking in a non-english language ] >> reporter: but for the 47th brigade, this was just the start and some of its heroes have since fallen. i'd like to ask about your

colleagues the day you went in and took the civilians out. there was another team, but they were killed. [ speaking in a non-english language ] >> reporter: they carry on southward along a stretch of road they nicknamed the road to hell. >> the defense minister's dismissal coming on the big movement on the front lines, he was a big face of this war. what does his dismissal now, melissa, say about the

corruption situation in ukraine? >> reporter: i think it tells us that the leadership here in kyiv is extremely determined to draw a line under the first 19 months of this war. there have been trials, sackings, arrests within the ministry of defense and alexi reznikov alluded to that in his speech acknowledging there had been issues and yet he chose to focus on the successes. this was a department he said that managed to help shepard the country through the worst war on european soil in 80 years, $100 billion worth of aid and he said it had in the end helped ukraine and its people to stand and to remain upright. for that he got a standing ovation. >> interesting. melissa, thank you very much in kyiv where they're worried about where russia may now be getting additional arms because the white house is warning now north korea will "pay a price" if the country provides weapons

to putin, this after the u.s. government said kim jong un is expected to travel to russia to meet putin to talk about a potential arms deal. kim is expected to take this trip on his heavily fortified armored train, possibly with body doubles, plural, in tow. this is a story you'll see first out front reported by our will ripley. >> reporter: inside north korea, one of the most secretive places on the planet, carefully guarded state secret is leader kim jong un's actual location. major events are often used as decoys. crowds can wait hours enduring long security lines only to find the leader's seat empty. even kim's own bodyguards can serve as decoys, best known for donning dark suits and running alongside the leader's limo during the trump/kim summits projecting power and security riding an armor reinforced railcar to russia to meet with russian president vladimir putin, fellow strong man seen

by some as a global pariah. putin and kim both come with plenty of baggage saddled with heavy sanctions for kim's nuclear and ballistic missile programs and putin's brutal unprovoked war on ukraine, not to mention that suspiciously timed plane crash. now the russian leader is meeting another shadowy figure, kim jong un. the north korean leader may not have a reason to fear putin but is not taking any chances when it comes to his safety. u.s. government sources believe kim will go to russia as moscow looks to buy artillery and other wartime supplies from its impoverished authoritarian neighbor. cnn contacted the russian embassy in washington for comment. north korea previously denied supplying russia with rockets and missiles to use in ukraine. kim showed off his latest weapons, long range missiles and military drones. national security adviser john

kirby says putin must be embarrassed asking kim for help. >> he's going to north korea to try to get artillery shells and basic material so he can continue to shore up his defense industrial base. there's no other way to look at that than desperation and weakness, quite frankly. >> reporter: the north korean leader has a lot to gain. >> a large power is now dependent on him. that hasn't happened in a while. >> reporter: kim mail be willing to roll the dice risking travel outside his borders, reducing that risk on a slow moving heavily fortified train, a shade of army green on the outside, luxuriously appointed on the inside, the train a symbol of three generations of the kim family dynasty, a nation some say is stuck in the past. the need to travel over land means the meeting will likely be in russia's far east. kim has taken his chugging locomotive there before meeting putin in 2019.

this time he will help him with oil supplies or even technology to use in his ballistic missile program, goals perhaps worthy of a rare venture beyond his nation's borders. only once has he gone overseas borrowing a jet to get to his singapore meeting. now russia is ready to make a deal making kim perhaps the most powerful north korean leader ever. it really is extraordinary to see how kim jong un emerged from really that humiliation in hanoi when president trump walked out of talks leaving the lunch table set and the food uneaten. kim jong un had talked about this meeting with trump to his people that had never happened before where they talked about a meeting before it actually happened. they previewed it, said something big was happening and kim had to go back basically with egg all over his face. now here he is with this

incredibly strong partnership with russia, potentially taking him to a level even his grandfather who used to ride that train has not achieved. it's really quite something. >> thank you. next, mitch mcconnell's office saying there's no evidence the minority leader suffered a seizure or stroke according to his doctor. senator rand paul, who is also a doctor, is openly speaking out. he doesn't buy it. plus the owner of facebook requiring employees to return to the office today. is working from home not going to continue? shark tank's kevin o'leary will be out front. am i? ya! the queen sleep number c2 smarart bed is now only $999. plus free home delivery whenen you add an adjustable base. shop now only at sleep number. we, the first generation of moms to lose our kids

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tonight an inadequate explanation, republican senator rand paul expressing skepticism over why minority leader mitch mcconnell's office said he froze while speaking to reporters twice in as many months. >> i think it's an inadequate explanation to say this is dehydration. i practiced medicine 25 years and it doesn't look like dehydration to. me it looks like a focal neurologic event. that doesn't mean it's incapacitating, doesn't mean he can't serve, but it means somebody ought to wake up and say wow, this looks like a seizure. >> mcconnell was on the senate floor today, made a passing reference to his health. here it is. >> one particular moment of my time back home has received its fair share of attention in the press over the past week, but i assure you august was a busy and productive month for me and my staff back in the commonwealth. >> it comes as mcconnell's office shared a letter that the

capitol hill physician gave them stating "there is no evidence mcconnell suffered a seizure disorder, stroke or movement disorder," like parkinson's disease and said the doctor could continue with his schedule. manu raju is live on capitol hill. what more can you tell us about mcconnell's health and we just heard senator rand paul, how this is received by his peers on capitol hill? >> reporter: there's a ton of questions, in fact, conversation about this dominant in the capitol hallways as senators return from their five-week recess. one senator josh hawley told me everywhere he went in missouri over the recess he was getting questions about senator mcconnell and his health and those episodes. they want answers. i'm told mcconnell's expected to address the full republican conference behind closed doors tomorrow about these episodes and he talked to his leadership team tonight. that doesn't mean members are not worried about him and the future and him atop the

republican conference. one senator i just spoke with, senator tommy tuberville, somebody who supported mcconnell for leader was not sure he would support him again for the leadership job and was worried senator mcconnell might not be up to the task in the aftermath of him hitting his held, having a concussion and worried the concussion's aftereffects could still be impacting him today. >> there's going to be a lot of things that the leader's going to have to really be on top of and can he do it? it's like being a quarterback. i hope he can. >> reporter: but you don't know. >> i'm anxious to hear tomorrow him talk, but i've seen him. he struggled. we all would have. you fall, hit your head, have a bad concussion. i've seen kids in my profession of football really struggle for a long time after a concussion. that's the reason you don't play them after that. they don't go back into the game until you completely are

well. it's obvious he's not completely well. >> reporter: but in releasing that note from the capitol's attending physician brian monaghan said gop leader mcconnell wanted to alleviate concerns among his colleagues by saying there was no bigger issue, no seizure, no parkinson's disease, no stroke, but will that be enough to allay those concerns? still uncertain. i'm also told by the top three republicans who might succeed mcconnell, they all say they support him continuing to stay on the job. >> thank you very much. let's go to dr. jonathan reiner, our medical analyst and who advised the medical team under president george w. bush. i want your reaction to the letter that we have been given from mcconnell's team and a fission who states there's no evidence mcconnell had a stroke or seizure or is suffering from any other diseases like parkinson's. they say that the senator has

been evaluated by four neurologists. does all this sound right to you? >> no. because i think to most physicians, the two very similar episodes that senator mcconnell had about five weeks apart really are very typical of a focal seizure and i think you need to really read between the lines of what dr. monaghan wrote. he wrote there is no evidence that you have a seizure disorder. the senator was administered an eeg, which is an electrical test of the brain. think of it as sort of an ekg of the brain. >> yes. >> but an eeg will only be abnormal in somebody with epilepsy about half the time because it's a snapshot what's going on with the electrical activity of your brain the moment the test is done. so if he's not having a seizure, it's not likely to be abnormal. what dr. monaghan wrote was there is no evidence you have a seizure, although clinically that is what really appears to

be. >> right. mcconnell's office attributed it to light-headedness as a lingering symptom of the concussion from his fall in march. through that lens, is that reasonable? >> no. i'm unaccustomed to saying i agree with senator paul, but i agree with senator paul. i take care of plenty of folks who have light-headedness either in the setting of dehydration from working outside in the hot d.c. summer. patients with light-headedness don't stare off for 10 to 30 seconds. that's very consistent with a focal seizure. it would be really better for

the senator's team to be a little bit more transparent because that explanation is a little laughable. >> thank you very much, dr. reiner. on some of the numbers here on what we're actually seeing here, it pains me to see those moments on tv. i think it does for a lot of people. it comes from senator mcconnell's specific situation, but he's not alone in one of his situations which is his age, the age of leaders in washington. we are looking at the oldest senate in history. >> we are. the senate has become significantly older over the last 40 years. used to be the median age for a u.s. senator was in the low 50s. it's now in the upper 60s. half the united states senate is a senior citizen at this point and this has gone beyond the u.s. workforce has gotten older, but not at the rate the united states senate has gotten older. >> it's not just the senate, right? the two front runners for

president right now, obviously the democratic president, right, octo octogenarian. trump is not far behind. they are old. what age do americans want their president to be? >> they want their ideal age somewhere in the 50s. it's in the 50s. we haven't had a president in the 50s since barack obama essentially, right? if you look at that chart, just 3% say 70 and older and yet donald trump's going to be in the upper 70s come election day and obviously joe biden is already into his 80s. i guess this is one of those situations where the ideal is not actually meeting what we're seeing in practice. >> interesting. 50 to 59, that you'd have so many people that was clearly the largest number. voters judge them very differently. i do find this interesting. you hear it all the time. people talk about biden, oh,

biden is 80 years old, but trump is 77 years old. why do voters seem to see them differently or do they? >> joe biden is just three to four years older than donald trump, yet on the question of is this candidate too old to serve as candidate, we see nearly three-quarters of americans say joe biden is too old to effectively serve as president while donald trump basically has this even split 47%-45%. >> then it's showing you it's not about age. >> maybe it's the way they're acting, perception. that's what politics is, right? this this case the perception isn't necessarily great for joe biden. next, facebook now wants to see employees back in the office and amazon now can tell you tonight it's tracking its employee badge swipes to make sure they show up. shark tank's kevin o'leary is next. plus we'll say you inside the debate now dividing the republican party in a crucial

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from home as allowing his employees as good as working full time in the office saying good work can get done anywhere. he's changed his tune and it's not just zuckerberg. amazon is tracking employee badge swipes to see who is following their three-day week in-office policy, the company's ceo saying if employees don't like coming to the office that much, they should plan to work somewhere else. kevin o'leary is out front, the chairman of o'leary ventures and one of the sharks on shark tank, about to go into season 15. the last time we spoke, we were talking about work from home, something you felt strongly about. you felt it wasn't going anywhere and saying this is someone investing in companies and seeing how they work. now these companies were fully out and now saying come back to three days a week, but they're being pretty dramatic tracking badges and stuff like that. do you think we'll go back to five days a week again, back to the precovid normal? is that where this is going? >> no. we're never going back there. unfortunately for these

companies that are trying to mandate this back to the cubicles, the genie's out of the bottle. there's a whole cohort, whole generation of employees, that have proven over a three-year period they can work functionally very well not in the office. so you really have to ask yourself where's the imperical data that says productivity drops if you're not in an office? that's the challenge because we're still at full employment in america. anything under 4% unemployment is full employment. if you're a highly prized engineer, software coder and you do just fine working anywhere in the world you want to be, you're not going back to a cubicle, not now, not ever. >> it's interesting when you mentioned the employment rate because obviously i know you kind of feel that's crucially linked to a company's ability to mandate a return to the office. when unemployment goes up, companies get more power. we have seen some troubling

numbers. there's two sides to the coin, but the negative side is scary, mortgage rates in august, the highest level in over 20 years. credit card debt in the united states is an all time record trillion dollars. the u.s. treasury yield curve, interest rate the government pays on debt, it just saw its deepest inversion since 1981 and if i recall from economics, 1981 was a pretty horrific time, right? i could go on and on. there's a lot of other things of these types of numbers. are you really worried about them? do you think we're about to see something bad economically? >> i am worried about 60% of the economy, which is small business in america. those are companies between five to 500 employees. they're the ones under stress because regional banks are becoming less and less liquid due to changes regulators are imposing on them due to recent failures, but the s&p 500 which has been given two new prints

of free money, the chips and science act and inflation reduction act, that's $2 billion yet distributed to them, but we've done nothing for the small business of which the service industry is massive. so you've raised a really important point. you've got a situation where we're putting stress on where 60% of the jobs are created and there's absolutely no problem for the s&p 500 who have total access to capital anytime they want it, including free money, about to be printed. where it's manifesting itself the first time in 50 years is the rate of change of blue collar workers in terms of increase to their salary is going up faster than white collar because there's certain aspects of the economy like the service industry, let's just talk restaurants where millions of people are employed. you can't work from home. you got to show up. you can't fax it in. in order to do that, you used to be able to pay them $18 an hour. now it's 26 here in california. some are getting 30. that's much more in terms of rate increase than any white

collar worker's getting. >> so you talk about small business. that is an area where you know so much. really micro business, right, when it comes to "shark tank." your fellow shark, mark cuban, said something recently that caught my attention i saw on twitter. he said as of last year he has a net loss on the nearly $20 million he's invested in 85 companies on "shark tank." i get it depends where you are in the investment process, but that moment that's what he said. i know mark and obviously you sit with him all the time. is your track record better than his right now? >> great question. let me tell you the stats of venture investing. these are massive businesses, highly risky and since 1954, almost 70 years ago, the tracking looks like this and it hasn't changed an iota. you invest in ten companies. you will lose money in eight

and make all your returns in two. those returns are sometimes 1,000x. we've seen this over 15 years in "shark tank." every year let's say mark does 15 or 20 deals and i do 15 or 20 deals and we have some idea three to five years later we picked the winners. that never, ever happens. it's complete serendipitous outcome. last year base paws which was cat dna testing which i thought was a joke was a huge thousand x winner for me. it paid for all my mistakes. i have no idea in season 15 what's going to work, but we all make money because we get two out of ten monster hits. >> cat dna. to answer the question, would you answer it the way mark is, that you had a net loss or no, you wouldn't? >> i've lost millions of dollars, but i've made millions of dollars. i can't guess mark's returns. we don't know each other's. over the last 15 years it's

varied from between 11 to 17 and some years 20% on average. that's pretty good. it's not the highest venture capital, but "shark tank" has the secret sauce. >> can i ask you one question? what's the name of that cat dna again? >> base paws. ziotas now owns it, a giant pharmaceutical pet company. who knew, karen? cat dna. >> if you're going off whose videos are the most popular, you would have gotten that one right because cat videos are incredibly popular. i got my dog's dna done and if i have a cat, i will do the same. thank you, kevin. >> thank you. take care. next, we'll take you to a key swing state where a number of voters are looking to a future without donald trump, but will they find this future? one man who came face to face with a convicted murderer on the run is revealing what the killer took after breaking into his home.

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