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destination. danelo cavalcante sentenced to life without parole for fkillin his former girlfriend. seen here in surveillance video. two school districts in ten miles closed today as the search radius shifted. the community was shaken because cavalcante has remained ed at le for nearly a week. a man who live noose the prison says he saw cacavalcante in his >> i woke up my wife. hey, i thought there might be somebody downstairs. i decided to flip the light switch on and off four or five times. and then he flipped the switch from downstairs three or four times which was the moment of oh my god, this guy is down there. >> and he also said that apples, peaches green snack peas were missing from his kitchen after cavalcante left. thanks for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. tonight on "360," breaking
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news. jack smith is accusing the former president of making daily statements that could prejudice future jurors in the january 6th case. also, new polling and chris christie's reaction to it showing the front-runner donald trump pulling away from the republican pack even farther, and the vast majority of republican voters seemingly okay with him, even if convicted of federal crimes. and later, stunning new claims about the alex murdaugh murder trial and whether they could lead to a retrial. plus, exclusive video from inside a syrian children's hospital that isis used as a torture center. video that's now in the hands of war crimes investigators. good evening. we begin tonight with breaking news wrapped in a mystery. a late-day court filing from special counsel jack smith from the subversion case. in it, he accuses the former president of making, quote, daily extra presidential statements that threaten to prejudice the jury. largely under seal at the moment, we don't know specifically what smith is referring to. we do know this isn't all he is
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focused on at the moment. there is also exclusive cnn reporting tonight from paula reid that smith is a looking into sidney powell, her fundraising and its role on voting machine breaches in four states. as you know, she is one of 19 defendants in georgia. all of whom have waived arraignment and are entering not guilty please. tomorrow she and kenneth chesebro have a hearing to sever their cases from the other 1. mark meadows is waiting for a judge to rule on his request to be tried in federal court. now there is also a reminder of the high price to be paid for actions by some on january 6th tonight. enrique tarrio, leader of the so-called proud boys drawing a 22-year sentence for his role on the attack in congress. that's the longest sentence so far. so we have a busy post labor day tonight. cnn's paula reid starts us off. what more do we know about this court filing from jack smith? >> anderson, we don't know very much at all because this entire dispute, whatever it's about, is happening under seal. and this comment about the
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former president's statements possibly prejudicing a jury for the election interference trial is just one piece of a comment they made about this larger dispute. and there is currently a dispute about whether that dispute will become public. so it could be a while before we get more contacts. but we're seeing this as we've learned what exactly smith and his team have been up to in the weeks they filed that indictment against former president trump, related to election interference. we've learned that they have asked multiple witnesses specifically about sidney powell. she is, of course, the trump aligned lawyer who pushed a lot of these election lies and was actively involved in efforts to overturn the election. now of course trump was the only person indicted so far by the special counsel. but in the federal indictment, they did list a description of six co-conspirators. we learned that powell is one of those coconspirators. and anderson, specifically, they've been asking witnesses about whether powell ever showed them evidence of her conspiracy
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theories and claims. they've been asking about her nonprofit, defending the republic and how it used money that it raised off of election lies to fund a forensic team that was able to breach voting machines in four state. it's unclear if powell or anyone else will be charged, but anderson, it's the first insight we've gotten into what exactly the special counsel has been looking at since they filed that indictment. >> we also just saw her mug shot in georgia. what are we expecting at the hearing tomorrow in fulton county? >> well, this is huge, anderson, because this is one of the first times that people are going to be able to watch this on tv. there are going to be cameras expected to be in the courtroom tomorrow because this is a state case. and you'll have the opportunity to watch the judge weigh in on some really critical issues here, including scheduling and the larger question of whether this case should be broken up into smaller cases. the district attorney, fani willis, has been asked by the judge to come with a good faith estimate about just how long it's going to take her to try a case with 19 defendants.
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we know several of these individuals have already asked to separate or sever their case from the herd in the hope of getting to trial faster. she is also going to have to explain to the judge what would happen if this was divided up into several smaller trials. so anderson, i think it is a fascinating opportunity for people to watch this process play out. as you know, not all court systems are this transparent, especially the federal system, where trump currently faces two trials. there are no cameras allowed in the courtrooms. >> paula reid, thanks. appreciate it. we're expecting to hear from elie honig and karen magniolo. we don't know about the filing by jack smith. but jack smith complaining about comments made by the former president that would prejudice a jury. he is a presidential candidate. there has to be kind of a wide latitude on this, doesn't there? >> there is certainly a lot he can talk about, but he doesn't have to talk about the facts of
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this particular case. and i think that's the concern. he's not just answering questions from reporters, which he could be allowed to do. he is engaging in this barrage of truth social videos that he is posting where he is going on and on and on, putting his side of the story out there. in one hand he is trying his case in the court of public opinion, but trying to seek delays because he doesn't seem to want to try the case in court in front of an actual jury. things that won't be admissible at trial are things that he is trying to get out there now to prejudice the jury pool in his favor. >> this is a dilemma for prosecutors. i'm trying to picture what i would do in their scenario. on the one hand, you're right there. is no realistic way prosecutors are going to say to the judge lock up this presidential candidate because of a bail violation. on the other hand, in a normal case, if you had somebody committing every day violations as the prosecutors have said here, you would immediately go to the judge and say we need to lock this person up. so it sounds to me there is a lot we don't know. it sounds like they're looking
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for some workable middle ground to get some handle on his public statements. >> a lot of this is under seal. any idea what it could be about? >> i'm speculating here, but based on my own experience, that they're asking the judge to either bring donald trump in and give him a talking to, what good that will do, who knows, or perhaps to impose some other bail restrictions short of locking him up. perhaps -- in some cases, you could put restrictions on a person's movements. why have to report in to a precile services officer. >> look, he is running for president. >> i know. >> this is such uncharted territory. >> exactly. that's why this is a difficult spot for prosecutors. you can't let it go and do nothing, but you can't lock them up realistically. they're looking for some middle ground. >> let's talk about the hearing in georgia. we're going to get a glimpse for the first time. a lot of questions about his level of experience, his ability to wrangle 19 defendants, some of whom are now pushing for a speedy trial. what are you expecting? >> i think he wants to get a realistic view from fani willis,
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just from her perspective, her case, how many witnesses she has, how long she thinks it will take to put her case in. the big wild card we don't know about, though, with 19 defendants and 19 lawyers, there is an opportunity for 19 cross-examinations, 19 opening statements, 19 summations. it will drag the case out much longer, but i think he really wants to know realistically how long is her case. i mean, it is a 98-page indictment with many dozens of charges and over 160 overt acts in the conspiracy. so it's a big case. it's a big monster of a case. >> so right now you have -- they're not all united still. you have sidney powell and chesebro looking to break off. >> yeah, and you have mark meadows trying to get over into federal court. look, fani willis took a big bite here, and now she has to deal with it. we are not going to have one trial of 19 defendants that is physically impossible. the supreme court does not look fondly on what they call mega trials like that because everyone does have some right to an individualized finding of their guilt or nonguilt. so the judge is going to have to decide how to break this up.
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judges have very wide discretion. this judge could put in for 19 separate trials. i don't think that's going happen. the judge is going have to to look for groups. one thing we know, there is going to be an early group, and a much, much later second. >> those invoking a speedy trial, that is kind of throwing the gauntlet down to fani willis, put up or shut up, can you do this? >> absolutely. and the georgia speedy trial act is much, much stricter than new york or other states. she has to be ready before -- she has to have a jury sat, a full jury sat before the end of the second court term, which is early november for her. so she asked for october 23rd, giving herself enough time to get 12 jurors in the box and alternates. >> they were doing a big rico case with some rappers and were having a hard time. >> eight months that's been going on. >> why does it take eight months to get a jury? >> it can take a long time. and this one is going to take i
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think a significant amount of time to get a jury, because you have to have the whole point is fair and impartial jurors. that's why there is such concern about poisoning a jury pool, because you're going ask each person how much do you know? how much have you seen? are you -- can you be fair and impartial? and the more that it's talked about, the more information that's out there, the harder it's going to be to find people who can just look at the evidence that's right in front of them, who haven't made up their mind already, who aren't anti-trump or pro-trump. you know, you really need somebody who is just going to look at the evidence. >> does it seem already that mark meadows is pointing the finger at the former president? >> oh, for sure. >> he had a hearing in which his attorney was pointing out the limited role mark meadows had in the phone call with raffensperger. >> a big part of the argument is i was doing what chief of staffs do, which is they carry out the will and instructions of the president. >> his attorney -- they did admit that a number of his activities were not -- were
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political in nature. >> yes. that's why it was such a risk for him i think to take the stand. we're in sort of unknown legal territory here. if what you're doing is within your job as a federal official, you are entitled to go federal court. if it's outside, you are not. but the scenario we have here, it looks like the judge based on his request for more briefing, what if some is inside and some is outside? the answer is we don't know. we're going to find out any day now. yes, mark meadows did make some really damaging admissions when he took the stand the other day. >> if mark meadows can't get his case moved to federal court, does anyone else have a better shot? >> i think he probably has the best shot. trump also i think has a decent shot. but i think of all the other defendants, he probably has the best shot. and the open question is let's say he gets removed. does the whole case get removed? and the law is unclear there. would he just be removed or would the rest of the defendants be removed? it will be interesting to see how the judge rules on that and whether it gets removed. when mark meadows took the stand, he admitted to other crime -- him saying i want to be
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removed, saying i was just doing my job, i think inadvertently admitted to other crimes known as the hatch act. because you're not allowed to mix your day job with politics and political activities. so it was a big risk, but he is hoping to get immunity. . there is a lot of that mixing, though, during the administration. >> a lot of gray area. >> appreciate it. coming up next, new cnn polling on republicans willingness to accept a trump presidency, even if charges against him are true and he is convicted. we'll get republican presidential candidate chris christie's take on that and the stitt of the race as campaign season gains momentum. later, video of an escaped kill other tonight run as the manhunt continues and the search intensifies. whenever youou are ready. (man)) are there any snakes? (w(woman) nope. (man) arare you sure? here we go! (vo) it's time to push your r limit. (man) okay. (woman) you're doing great! (man) oh, is that a buffalo? (woman) babe, that's a cow.
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schedule a free consultation. in light of the's breaking news in connection with jack smith's election subversion case against the former president, there is new cnn polling on how little impact even a conviction would have on republican voters. they and republican-leaning voters were asked if the charges were true, would it disqualify the former president for them from becoming president again. 68% say no, they are not relevant to his fitness for job, which presents a real challenge as our polling also shows any challenge on any basis the former president leads his closest rival ron desantis nationally by 52 to 18%. all the others in single digits or less. this of course a national poll and the primary's run state by state. joining me now former new jersey governor chris christie. how do you reconcile that 68% of
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republicans say -- two in three say yeah, even if he is convicted, that doesn't disqualify him from being president? >> i think the distinction a lot of these voters are making, and i've heard this on the campaign trail is that they believe that the charges were politically motivated. >> right. >> but a lot of those 68% i suspect don't approve of the conduct. and i think that's where the difference is ultimately going to be made here, is that people have differing opinions about whether the justice department has approached this in a way that is fair or unfair to donald trump. and the hunter biden case plays into that as well. but when i ask people to pull back the underlying conduct, is that what they want from the president of the united states, a goo majority of those people say no. so i think that's where the distinction will be. maybe they can start to ask the question a little differently. >> in this cnn poll national, the president has gained since june in this poll, you've lost support since then. i know you say these national polls are essentially useless at
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this point. >> they are. >> you look at new hampshire. what do you see when you're in new hampshire? what do you see? >> the latest poll in new hampshire has trump at 34, not at 52. has me at 14, not at 2. and that means 66% of the people polled in new hampshire don't want to support donald trump. >> your argument when we talked last time was that if a dam breaks in iowa or new hampshire, then that's it. if somebody else wins in either of those states, then the dam will break elsewhere. what evidence do you have that that's the case, that somebody? south carolina is going to pay attention to what somebody in iowa and new hampshire think? >> a lot of people say they're for trump now because he is winning. well, okay, if it's inevitable, i'll be with him because i don't like biden. the minute someone else is feasible, is plausible, and by winning, either the caucuses in iowa or the primary in new hampshire, you're more than feasible or possible. you're now someone who has defeated donald trump.
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that becomes a whole different story. and i would say to you too, remember that in a place like new hampshire, and i saw jeff zeleny's setup piece for this. you know, at the end, these folks are looking at this, and there is a big divide between men and women on this issue too. and i'm seeing a large number, probably two-thirds to one-third at my town hall meetings women to men. i think women in much larger numbers have abandoned him. and if you look at that poll that came out, the wall street journal poll, 62% of independents say they won't vote for him. well, if 62% of independent won't vote for him, he is not winning the general election. >> right. >> and on the general election polls -- >> but it doesn't seem like primary voters care too much about who is going to win the general election. >> yeah, because it's labor day. and they don't have to think about it yet. look, this thing is really going to start to come into focus in the next coupile of months.
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summer vacation is over. kids are back to school. all right. now there is an election going on. we'll see what happens. >> when you're jack smith, it's sealed. there is a lot we don't know about it. but complaining about comments the former president is making that could taint a jury, that's a -- the guy is running for president. i keep coming back to. this this is a really tricky situation. >> well, it is a tricky situation. he is running for president. that's volunteer. >> he has the right to criticize the process, doesn't he? >> of course he does. but when you have been indicted, the judge now has certain authority over you regarding your influence on a jury pool. because look, donald trump in d.c. in particular, i'm sure will make the argument he can't get a fair trial because of a jury in d.c. well, he is not making it any better through some of the comments he's made. so this is going to be a balancing act for the judge. i think what smith is probably trying to do is establish a factual predicate to fight trump later on when he says the jury can't be fair.
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smith will probably then say well, who's fault is that, your honor? he has been polluting this jury pool right from the beginning. so my guess is this is a bit of gamesmanship on smith's part, anticipating what the defense arguments are going to be. >> what do you think of desantis not meeting with biden when he came down to florida after the hurricane? i should point out for those who have a short memory, you met with obama. he was the president at the time. there was criticism there had been a hug. there hadn't been a hug. i looked a the photo again there was a handshake. i think obama put his hand. >> there it is. he patted my shoulder. in jersey, that's no hug that is no hug in jersey, but it's just a sign of how politicized these things are, because you got hammered that you bear hugged. >> by the way, i wouldn't do one thing differently. my job at that moment, when you saw that picture, we had over $35 billion in damage done to our state. two-thirds of the state was without electricity. we had no operation water treatment or waste water treatment plants. every major highway was
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obstructed. 365,000 homes were destroyed. in 24 hours. that's the guy who can help me get it fixed. >> should desantis have met with -- >> of course he should have. look, we shouldn't be playing politics with this stuff. but governor desantis has always played politics with this. he voted against sandy aid in 2012 as a member of the house. and now he wants aid. this is the hypocrisy that everybody sees in politics and why they're looking for someone who will just tell them the truth. i'll tell the people the truth tonight. if i had to do it all over again, 11 years later, and i know it was six days before the election, but i was governor of new jersey, and my job was to make sure my state got rebuilt and my people were covered as quickly as possible, and i couldn't do that without the help of the president of the united states. >> you're obviously still concerned very much on ukraine. you were there, you met with zelenskyy. new defense minister there now and now apparently kim jong-un going to be meeting with vladimir putin. what does that tell you?
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>> well, what it tells me is it's exactly what i've been saying it, which is this is a proxy war between the authoritarian dictatorships of this country and the free world. so if you look at people like kim jong-un, the mullahs in iran, russia and china, they're all together on this. this is a proxy war. and the free part of the world has to fight this, has to back ukraine, and has toe help ukraine win. now ukraine's made some gains in the last week or two, ten days, in their counteroffensive. but they're still getting outgunned 10 to 1 in artillery shells on a daily basis. so if we were serious about this, if joe biden were serious about it, he would be upping what he is doing. he would have given the f-16s a long time ago. and that's what i would have done. >> cluster moon nirns. >> i support that as well. look, the chinese and now the russians and the saudis are coming together to keep the cuts in production down so that russian prices for oil can stay
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higher, all to supply them with money for the war, anderson. and, look, this is the naivety of the donald trump, ron desantis, vivek ramaswamy approach of foreign policy. they all think they're going to go talk to putin and they're going to convince him to get away. putin is spending his time talking to kim jong-un and president xi of china and the mullahs in iran. he has no interest until we show him that the juice is not worth the squeeze, that he needs to stop with what he is doing to a free country, the atrocities there, the 20,000 plus children who have been kidnapped from their parents. this is stuff that the united states has to stand up against. and when i'm president, we will. >> chris christie, appreciate it. thank you. >> thank you, anderson. coming up, the manhunt for an escaped murderer in pennsylvania almost a week into it. a new surveillance video now has police expanding their search area. plus, another chance for alex murdaugh, is that possible? convicted earlier this year for
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the manhunt for escaped pennsylvania inmate danelo cavalcante is now in its sixth day. police say they believe there have been six sightings of the convict. in new surveillance video captured last night has authorities shifting their search. cnn's brian todd has more. >> reporter: tonight, new surveillance video capturing an escaped inmate on the run in pennsylvania. convicted killer danelo cavalcante seen last night on a park's trail camera outside the perimeter police were searching, forcing police to expand their manhunt. >> obviously, we wish we would have been able to capture him
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without him getting through that perimeter, but we'll now expand that perimeter and move it so that we can try and encans late him again. >> reporter: police say they were only a few hours behind him, and the from time to timer is still small. >> we squeezed him hard enough over a period of a few days. he'll slip up. we're making him move. and that's a good thing. >> reporter: authorities warning residents the situation is evolving. two school districts canceling classes today as the search zone expands. one homeowner believes the convicted killer entered his home late friday night. he says he heard something downstairs and rushed to his upstairs landing. >> what i decided to do is flip the light switch on and off three or four or five times, pause, and then he flipped the light switch from downstairs three or four times, which was the moment of like oh my god, this guy is down there. >> reporter: he says cavalcante walked out after taking some food. cavalcante escaped prison last thursday just weeks after he was
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sentenced to life without parole for the 2021 murder of his former girlfriend. prosecutors say he stabbed her 38 times in front of her two young children. police believe the convict has now been spotted six times. >> he is making bad decisions. he is still on foot. they're going bring out the canines, and they're going start focusing in. those canines are very effective. they've got helicopters. >> reporter: nearby residents being asked to lock their homes, cars, garages, and sheds. >> i feel like i'm a prisoner. scared to go out, just scared in general. you never know where he is. >> my level of fear and concern is pretty high. >> reporter: the latest images show cavalcante has obtained a hooded sweatshirt, a duffel bag, and a backpack. >> clearly, he is now burglarizing places, getting access to backpack, probably some food, maybe a knife or two. and lord knows maybe even a firearm. we don't know.
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>> reporter: the search force already numbers more than 200 officers on the ground, but today the fbi and the border patrol have sent in new teams and equipment. police say they are also interviewing danelo cavalcante's contacts, his family and other inmates for potential clues. anderson? >> brian todd, appreciate it. joining me now cnn chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst john miller, former nypd deputy commissioner. six days now, six possible sightings. how do you think he has been able to evade capture so far? >> so this is not out of the norm. we've had the burnham escape which was in warren county, pennsylvania back in july. he was on the run for ten days. >> a lot of forest area there. >> well, that's right. and anderson, as you recall, he was a guy with survivalist training, former military person, and he had help on the outside, caches of supplies set up in the woods. danelo cavalcante has none of that. you can tell by the fact that he seems to be laying low in the
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day, but moving around in the night, looking for opportunities. and what is he looking for? changes of clothes to alter the description, food to sustain himself, and always the possibility when you enter a house, whether it's occupied or not, about being able to obtain a weapon. whether that's a knife or, you know, we're in the cusp between rural and suburban pennsylvania, a gun. because a lot of houses have them. >> in your experience, what happens when a fugitive stays -- the longer somebody stays on the run? >> they get either lucky. they see a car running and they're able to put some distance between them and maybe switch to another car again, or they get tired. if you look at the pattern here, he has made it basically from one box that they thought him trapped in to another. it's getting tighter around him. he is clearly getting worn out, clearly getting hungry. the dangerous piece here is he is also desperate. and the real factor, the threat
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factor here is what happens when he is about to be captured and there is a civilian between him and that capture or a weapon between him and law enforcement. >> brian was stating the obvious, which is the law enforcement is looking at his contacts and stuff that is a common -- that would be the most obvious thing for somebody to do to try to reach out to somebody that they didn't know from their past. >> rite. so when he was being sought for the murder that he's been sentenced to life for, you know, he reached out to two family members. they were able to get him away, help dispose of the body, get him to a car, get him on the road. but they also became witnesses in the case, defendants charged with harboring and helping. >> helping dispose of a body usually does end up in custody. >> so his network of friends has significantly shrunk. he's got very little to offer. and the fact that the message being sent from the family, his mom in portuguese blaring from the loudspeakers on the
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helicopter, turn yourself in safely. >> i see. john, appreciate it. we'll keep you updated. in south carolina, lawyers for disgraced attorney, fraudster and convicted murderer alex murdaugh are seeking a new trial. currently serving two life sentences for the killing of his wife and son. now attorneys say they have uncovered new evidence suggesting to them significant problems with the court clerk. randi kaye has the latest on that. so walk us through these new allegations from the defense. >> well, anderson, the defense is alleging jury tampering, denied their client alex murdaugh a fair trial. and at the center of it all is the court clerk. her name is becky hill. and some of the allegations against her by the defense were laid out in their 65-page filing today. and they include that she instructed jurors not to be fooled by alex murdaugh's testimony or misled by evidence presented by his defense team. this is of course an allegation. also, that she had frequent private conversations with the jury foreperson in the bathroom
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in the jury room. also, that she asked jurors their opinions about their guilt or innocence of alex murdaugh. she told the jury foreperson that everything that murdaugh has said is lies. this is a big one here, anderson. the defense is alleging that she invented a story about a facebook post in order to have a juror removed, a juror who she thought was going to vote that alex murdaugh was not guilty. and sure enough, that juror was removed on the very last day of the trial. also, the defense is alleging that she pressured the jurors to actually come up with a very quick verdict, telling them that they were going to have to stay in a hotel, also that they would note be allowed to take smoking breaks. six of those jurors were smokers. so the defense team held a very brief conference today, anderson, and they shared how alex murdaugh himself is responding to these allegations. listen. >> when i shared with him the affidavits, he is a lawyer. he was astonished. he was shaking. he was in disbelief.
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>> and, of course, anderson, the question is why would a court clerk allegedly do this. the defense also laid that out in their court filing. and they say that she did this to get her book sold. that she had the plan to write a book based on this trial, and she wanted to profit from that book. sure enough, anderson, she did. she published a book this summer. they also say that without a conviction, it would be very unlikely that she would have been able to secure a book deal. we did reach out the becky hill for comment, anderson, and we have not heard back. >> and what kind of proof does the defense say that it has? >> the defense cites at least three sworn affidavits, one from a juror and one from one of those dismissed jurors. they're also using an excerpt from becky hill's book that she got published this summer as evidence against her in this case. i did speak to the lawyer representing two of those jurors. he did say those jurors came forward reluctantly. >> a and what do the attorney general and prosecutors have to
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say? >> well, the attorney general has ten days to file a reply. i did get a statement from attorney general allen wilson's office today that they are currently reviewing the defense's latest motion. they'll respond through the legal process at the appropriate time. i also reached to out to shred, the south carolina law enforcement division. they did the key investigation of alex murdaugh and they did not want to offer a response at this time. but it's worth noting, anderson, very quickly, even if there a new trial and this conviction gets overturned, he is facing dozens of charges related to financial crimes, and he will very likely still spend the rest of his life in prison, anderson. >> yeah, but all the twists and turns this case has had. randi, appreciate it. mitch mcconnell, the highest ranking senate republican. what the capitol hill doctor did say and didn't say about his health scare. and isis was not reporting its crimes for years. now there is an isis video it didn't even know was being recorded from a children's hospital that they turned into a torture chamber.
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the senate minority leader mitch mcconnell today made his first public appearance since he froze in front of reporters last week. the appearance comes as his office looks to ease concerns over his recent health scares, releasing more comprehensive report from the capitol's attending physician that ruled out a number of potential causes, but we should point out
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it also failed to explain exactly what happened. last week, the senate minority leader froze for about 30 seconds while speaking with reporters in kentucky. and as you know, he experienced a similar episode weeks ago during a news conference on capitol hill. this is the latest incident you just saw. the latest one has of course raised more concerns about his health, even among his own party and has called into question his ability to serve. he addressed those concerns on the senate floor today. >> one particular moment of my time back home has received its fair share of attention in the press over the past week. but i assure you, august was a busy and productive month for me and my staff back in the commonwealth. >> so he addressed it, but didn't really address it. mcconnell is expected to address his health during a closed door gop conference meeting tomorrow. with me now dr. sanjay gupta. walk us through what the capitol physician said about senator mcconnell.
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>> so dr. brian monihan basically looked at some of the things that were most likely to cause episodes like this, freezing episodes. and he sent a letter directly to senator mcconnell basically saying this, that there is no evidence that there is a seizure disorder, that you've experienced a stroke, or something known as a tia, which is a transient ischemic attack, sometimes known as mini strokes, or something like a movement disorder such as parkinson's. so he basically said that based on the various tests and stuff that he had done, there was no evidence of those things. he didn't say what it was other than light-headedness, which again is pretty hard to sort of reconcile with those types of freezing episodes. pretty brief letter. he did say at the end that the senator should continue his current treatment protocol for the concussion that he suffered back in march, but again, did not say what that treatment protocol was. >> do we know more about the tests that the doctor said the
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senator underwent? this doctor wasn't giving the senator tests, right? the senator had undergone some tests and he just had access to those? if we know about the tests, how effective would the tests be in ruling out other conditions? >> so there were a few tests. and from the letter, i got the sense that after august 30th until now, he had these tests done, and he had -- the doctor consulted with neurologists about senator mcconnell. it's not clear that senator mcconnell actually saw the neurologists himself. but the tests were a brain mri. so that's looking at the brain, looking for anything from blood collections to tumors, things like that. and eeg study, which is sort of a snapshot in time of the electrical activity of your brain. it's sort to look for seizures. but again, it's a snapshot in time. someone could have a seizure and then have a normal eeg and have a seizure later. and then as i mentioned, according to manu raju's
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reporting, there is four different neurologists who were consulted as well. what's interesting, anderson, that's a fairly detailed investigation. those are significant tests. they can give you a fair amount of information, although they can't definitively rule out a seizure. they can give you that snapshot in time. when you look at the video, i think part of the reason for this level of concern, when you watch that, i think we have the video, but that most recent episode just a few days ago, he has this period of time where he, again, appears frozen, which is the best sort of clinical term here. but as you see that aide coming up on his right shoulder, he seems to have neglect on that side. he is not looking at that aide. she is talking to him. he says something. you'll see another aide come to the left side and say something as well, and at that point, you'll see senator mcconnell look to his left. so that's another clue that there is something what we call focal going on. something involving one part of his brain perhaps that's causing
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these types of symptoms. and there obviously was level of concern by the capitol physician because they got all these tests. unfortunately, anderson, we're left still with no real answer as to what exactly happened here. light-headedness is not a focal thing. that's something that would cause your whole system to sort of feel like you need to sit down, rest, something like that. what you're seeing there is something very specific. and i'm not sure we still have an answer as to what caused that. >> are there -- i mean, what's left that could be causing the issue? >> there is not many other things that you'd really put on the list. but i don't know that as extensive and as exhaustive as the testing that was done, again, that eeg, it's just capturing a moment in time. if someone is not having a seizure at the time the eeg is being performed, you would say that there is no evidence of seizure. >> are there tests that do? >> you would probably do -- you would monitor him for a period of time, probably.
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and if there is still -- you know, that could be a 24-hour sort of monitoring. >> right. >> for an eeg. you might even do what are called challenges, where you actually would do things to see if you could induce the seizure. you're trying to find any evidence as to why this might occur. i will say that after someone has had a concussion, which is a brain injury, back in march, there is sometimes seizures that can happen after that. and it wouldn't be that unusual for that to sort of all fall in line with his previous history. >> sanjay, i appreciate it. thanks. next, the video that isis did not know was being recorded in syria. the horrors it reveals, and why it will likely or possibly lead to prosecution around the world, hopefully. the "360" exclusive report coming up. at f farmers, we offer both quality insurance and great savings. (crowd cheers) here, , take mine. (f(farmers mnemonic) let me be direct... you're watching football wrong! what do you call a guy in face paint that can't get the game?
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video will likely fuel prosecutions or possible qi fuel prosecutions around the world. it's never been seen publicly until now, and it's difficult to watch at times. some disturbing images. cnn's jomana krads she has the exclusive report. >> the call to unite under one flag. >> reporter: it was an isis hallmark. slick media productions terrorizing the world. it's what they wanted us to see. but not this. >> this film is different. this film is islamic state without islamic state knowing it was being filmed. >> reporter: never-before-seen video inside the group's headquarters in the syrian city of aleppo in 2013. a children's hospital turned into a house of horrors. cctv video that captures the reality of the islamic state, where torture was routine. hundreds of syrians were held in this makeshift prison. many never made it out to tell
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their stories. others did, including some western hostages with chilling accounts of what they survived and witnessed. >> we could hear the syrian prisoners in the first places where we were detained, in the aleppo hospital, for instance. we could see some of them in the corridors and we could see some people lying in their blood. >> reporter: this video is much more than just a snapshot of isis's reign of terror. >> as a normal state of affairs the hospital had cctv running. the members of islamic state didn't realize that this was being recorded in the background and didn't think too much about it. >> reporter: and the cameras rolled for months, capturing scenes like this, a captive left hanging in a stressed position, blindfolded detainees marched down the hallway. here a fighter laughing as he pushes down the head of a handcuffed and hooded detainee. these only a few of the clips shared exclusively with cnn by the commission for international
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justice and accountability, cija. >> this is exactly the type of treatment that we've heard about from survivors. what makes this important is as you see right there the islamic state member without a mask on walking down the hall. that's a person that would normally try and hide his face outside. >> reporter: we've blurred faces to preserve ongoing investigations and possible future prosecutions. >> that's incredible evidence at trial. for several of these individuals who've been identified. >> reporter: according to engels fighters from all overt world including senior members from europe and the u.s. were operating in the facility. this video he says has already been used to identify a french suspect. evidence gathered has long allowed them and law enforcement in various western countries to identify and track down isis members who fled before the fall of isis's so-called caliphate. cija's war crimes investigators
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worked undercover collecting evidence from the battlefield in syria and iraq. >> it's often the case that domestic law enforcement and prosecutorial authorities have enough evidence to prove that they were a member. what we think is important is that wherever possible we're able to prosecute them for the torture, for the kidnapping, for the murder. >> reporter: this is not just about the past. isis remains a top global security threat. >> these are individuals that have already proven that they are a threat. and we don't want to give them the opportunity to decide to go down that path again. we've had several hundred requests for information. our law enforcement partners have not at all forgotten about the conflict. >> reporter: just before dawn on january 17th heavily armed dutch police descended on this street in the village of arkel. they raided a house and arrested a man suspected of having been a
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senior isis commander in syria. his arrest in the small sleepy town where he lived a quiet life with his wife and children shocked the nation. residents here were reluctant to speak to us about the suspect identified as aheml.s. he allegedly operated in damascus, not aleppo. so it wasn't the cctv video that led to his arrest. it was a tip from a syrian ngo and witness testimony that triggered a yearslong dutch investigation. sources say he had a long history of extremism in syria, holding leadership positions first within an al qaeda affiliate and later isis. ahem al s. who rejects the government's accusations now faces life in prison. >> he had a leading position in terrorist organizations. >> reporter: mirrium blum is the lead public prosecutor on the case. she's charged him with two counts of membership in terror organizations with the aim to commit war crimes. >> in order to charge him with
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separate war crimes like execution or violent arrests or torture, you need more evidence than indications. >> so this is ongoing -- >> we have investigations still going on. yeah. >> was he hiding? >> he was not hiding. he was just living here openly. people like him and also war criminals can come to the netherlands hiding in the legitimate stream of refugees. and to be able to investigate and prosecute those cases is very -- a very important aspect in our mission not to be a safe haven for war criminals. >> reporter: the trail of terror isis left behind will haunt not only their victims but those who tormented them. >> and jomana joins us now. that video is just so sickening in that a former hospital -- the man who was arrested in that small town in the netherlands, do investigators have a sense of how many suspected high-ranking former isis members might be
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hiding in plain sight in western countries right now? >> it's very unclear, anderson. what you have is as you'll recall tens of thousands of foreigners who joined isis in syria and iraq about a decade ago. many of them have been killed. you also have thousands who remain in jail in iraq and syria. but you've had countries that have been dealing in recent years with returnees, the repatriation of foreign fighters. and in some cases european countries like this have found suspected isis members who have made it into these countries through the stream of refugees. how many, we don't really know. and this is why evidence like this is crucial. it could help law enforcement agencies identify some of these suspects. and it would allow prosecutors to go after them for more serious crimes and offenses, not just for membership. and as you heard there from chris, who we spoke to in our piece, we're talking about individuals who've already proven that they are a threat,
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and it is very important for organizations like cija, they say, to hold these perpetrators accountable. and as we heard also from the prosecutor in the netherlands, this is also about justice for the countless victims of isis, anderson. >> yeah. and it's amazing that that cctv footage was being recorded for months without them realizing. jomana karadsheh, a fascinating report. thank you. >> thank you very much, anderson. >> we'll be root back. (ella) fashion moves fast.
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here to congratulate anderson coop cooper and his "ac 360" show and their team on their 20th anniversary. 20th anniversary! two decades of stellar steady journalism and storytelling from the studios there in new york to scenes across the country, around the world. two decades of keeping them honest every single night. cheers to you, anderson, and the entire "ac 360" team on your 20th anniversary. this is actually just coffee. but congratulations. >> thanks, jake. appreciate it. yeah, we launched this program september 8th, 2003. i have no memory of that date. as jake said, this is our 20-year anniversary week, which honestly sounds very strange to say. we'll be celebrating all week, sharing some great memories. i hope you join us as we look back this week. the news continues right now. "the source with kaitlan collins" starts now. tonight, straight from the source, the former leader of the proud boys just got the most severe prison sentence yet for january 6th.
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