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>> tonight on 360, breaking news. special counsel jack smith is accusing the former president of making daily statements that could president for george arose and the january 6th case. also, new polling and presidential candidate chris christie's reaction to it. showing donald trump pulling away from the republican pack even further, and the mass majority of republican voters seemingly okay with him, even with convicted of federal crimes. and later, stunning claims about the alex murdaugh murder trial and whether -- plus, exclusive stunning video from inside a syrian children's hospital that i. s. i. s. used as a torture center. video that's now in the hands of war crimes investigators. good evening, thanks for joining us. i hope your holiday was a good one. we begin tonight with breaking news wrapped in a mystery. a late day court filing from special counsel jack smith in the 2020 election subversion case, in it he accuses the former president of making,
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quote, daily extrajudicial statements that threaten to prejudice the jury. because this is part of a court fight being conducted under seal at the moment, we don't know specifically what he is referring to. we do know this isn't all he's focused on at the moment. there's also exclusive cnn reporting tonight from paula reid that smith is looking into former trump election lawyer sydney powell. her fund raising and its role in voting machine breaches in four states. as you know, she is one of 19 defendants in georgia, all of whom have now waived arraignment and entering not guilty pleas. tomorrow, she and attorney kenneth chesebro have court hearings on their effort to sever their cases from the other 17. meantime, co-dependent mark meadows, one of five you pleaded today, is waiting for a judge to rule on his request to be tried in federal court. now, there is also a reminder of the high price to be paid for actions by some ingenue's six tonight. henriquez -- leader of the so-called proud boys drawing a 22 year sentence for his role in the attack on congress. that's longest sentence so far. we've been busy post labor day, tonight's cnn's paula reid
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starts us off. what more do we know about this court filing from jack smith? >> anderson, we don't know very much at all. because this entire dispute, whatever it's about, is happening under seal. and this comment about the former presidents statements problems -- interference trial, this is one piece of a comment they made about this larger dispute. and there's currently a dispute about whether that dispute will become public. so it could be awhile before we get more context. but we are seeing this as we learn what exactly smith and his team have been up to in the weeks since they filed that indictment against former president trump, related to election interference. we learned that they've asked multiple witnesses, specifically about sydney powell. she is of course the trump aligned lawyer who pushed a lot of these election lies and was actively involved in efforts to overturn the election. now, of course, trump was the only person indicted so far by the special counsel, but in the
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federal indictment, they did list a description of six coconspirators. we learned that powell is one of those coconspirators, and anderson, specifically they've been asking witnesses about whether powell ever showed them evidence of her conspiracy theories and her claims. they've been asking about her non-profit, defending the republic, and how it used money that it raised off of election lies to fund a forensic team that was able to breach voting machines in four states. four states that biden won. it's unclear whether powell or anyone else will be charged, but it's the first insight we've gotten into what the special counsel's been looking at since they filed that indictment. >> we just saw her mugshot in georgia. what are we expecting at the hearing tomorrow in fulton county? >> this is huge, anderson. because this is one of the first times that people are going to be able to watch this on tv. there are going to be cameras expected to be in the courtroom tomorrow, because this is a state case and you have the opportunity to watch the judge weigh in on some of the critical issues here, including scheduling. and the larger question of
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whether this case should be broken up into a smaller cases. the district attorney, fani willis, has been asked by the judge to come with a good faith estimate about just how long it's going to take her to try a case with 19 defendants. we know several of these individuals have already asked to separate, or sever their case from the herd in hopes of getting to trial faster. she's also going to have to explain to the judge what would happen if this was divided up into several smaller trials. anderson, i think it is a fascinating opportunity for people to watch this process play out, as you know, not all court systems are this transparent, especially the federal system where trump currently faces two trials. there are no cameras allowed in the courtroom's. >> paula reid, appreciate it. perspective now from's to cnn analysts. -- former manhattan chief assistant attorney. so, a lot we don't know about this breaking news about the filing by jack smith. but, jack smith complaining about comments being made by
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the former president, that could presidents a jury. he is a presidential candidates. there's got to be a wide latitude on this, isn't there? >> there's certainly a lot that he can talk about, right? but he doesn't have to talk about the facts of this particular case. and i think that's the concern. he's not just answering questions from reporters, which he could be allowed to do. he is engaging in this barrage of truth social videos that he's posting, where he's just going on and on, putting his side of the story out there. on the one hand he is trying his case in the court of public opinion, but trying to seek delays because he doesn't seem to really want to try the case in court in front of an actual jury. and the fear is that inadmissible things that won't be admissible at trial are things that he's trying to get out there now to prejudice the jury pool in his favor. >> this is a dilemma for prosecutors. i'm trying to picture what i would do in their scenario. on the one hand, you're right. there's no realistic way
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prosecutors are going to say the judge should lock up this presidential candidate because of a bail violation. on the other hand, in a normal case, if you had somebody committed every day violations as prosecutors have said here, you would immediately go to the judge and say we need to lock this person up. so it sounds to me there's a lot we don't know. it sounds to me that they're looking for some workable middle ground to get some handle on his public statements. >> a lot of this is under seal. any idea what this could be about? >> i'm speculating here, based on my own experience, they're asking the judge to either bring donald trump in and give him a talking to, what good that will do, who knows. or to perhaps emboss some other bail restrictions short of locking him up. perhaps, in some cases, you could put restrictions on a person's movements, they would have to report in to a pretrial services officer. >> he's running for president. again, this is such an uncharted territory. >> that's why this is a difficult spot for prosecutors. you can't let it go and do nothing, but you can't lock him up realistically. so they're looking for some middle ground. >> let's talk about the hearing tomorrow. we are going to get a glimpse
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of judge mccaffrey for the first time. a lot of questions about his level of experience, his ability to rankle 19 defendants. some of whom are now pushing for a speedy trial. what are you expecting? >> i think he wants to get a realistic view from fani willis, just from her perspective, her case. how many witnesses she has, how long she thinks it will take to put her case in. the big wildcard that we don't know about though is with 19 defendants and 19 lawyers, there's an opportunity for 19 cross examinations and 19 opening statements, so it will drag the case out much longer. but i think he really wants to know realistically how long is her case. i mean, it is a 98-page indictment with many dozens of charges, and over 160 overt acts in the conspiracy. so it's a big case, it's a big monster of a case. >> right now you have -- they're not all united. you have sydney powell and chesebro looking to break off. >> and you have mark meadows trying to get in federal court. fani willis took a big bite here, and now she's got to deal
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with it. we're not going to have one trial of 19 defendants, that is physically impossible. the supreme court does not look fondly on what they call mega trials like that, because everyone does have some right to an individuized finding of their guilt or non guilt. and so the judge is going to have to decide how to break this up. judges have a very wide discretion. this judge could put in for 19 separate trials, i don't think that's going to happen. the judge is going to have to look for -- one thing we know for sure, there's going to be an early group. those who have invoked their speedy trial right, and a much later second group. >> the speedy trial, those who are invoking it, that is a kind of front of the gauntlet down to fani willis. put up or shut up, can you do this? >> absolutely. and the georgia speedy trial act is much, much stricter then other speedy trial acts. federally, new york, or other states. she has to be ready, she has to have a jury set fully, a full jury such, before the end of the second court term, which is early november for her. so she asked for october the 23rd, giving herself enough
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time to get 12 jurors in the box and alternates. >> they were doing a big rico case with some rappers, and we're having a hard time getting a jury. >> eight months that's been going on. >> why does it take eight months to get a jury? >> because you have to -- it can take a long time. and this one is going to take a significant amount of time to get a jury because you have to have -- the whole point is fair and impartial jurors. that's why there's such concern about poisoning a jury pool. because you're going to ask east person how much do you know, how much have you seen, can you be fair and impartial? and the more that it's talked about, the more information that's out there, the harder it's going to be to find people who just want to look at the evidence that's right in front of them, who haven't made up their mind already, who aren't anti trump or pro trump. you really need somebody who's just going to look at the evidence. >> does it seem already that mark meadows is pointing the finger at the former president? >> absolutely. he had a hearing in which his attorney was essentially pointing out the limited role that mark meadows had in the phone call with raffensperger. >> a big point of mark meadows argument to move over into
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federal court's i was doing what chief of staff do you. which is they carry out the will and -- >> already in court, his attorney already -- they did admit that a number of his activities were not -- where political in nature. >> and that's why it's such a risk for him to take the stand. because we're in sort of an lone legal territory here. because if what you're doing is within your job as a federal official, you're entitled to federal court. if its own side, you're not. but the scenario we have here is it looks like the judge, based on his request for more briefing, is saying what if some is insight and some outside? the answer is we don't know. we're going to find out any day now. but yes, mark did some damaging admissions when he took the stand the other day. >> if mark meadows can't get his case moved to federal court, does anybody else have a better shot? >> i think he probably has the best shot. trump also i think has a decent shot. but i think of all the other defendants, he probably has the best shot. the open question is, let's say he gets removed. does the whole case get removed?
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the law is unclear there. would he just be removed, or with the rest of the defendants be removed? it'll be interesting to see how the judge rules on that, and whether it gets removed. when mark meadows took the stand, he admitted to other crimes. him saying i want to be removed, saying i was just doing my job, i think inadvertently admitted to other crimes. crimes known as the hatch act. kids are not allowed to mix your day job with politics and political activity. so it was a big risk, but he's hoping to get immunity. >> there's a lot of that mixing in the administration. a lot of gray area. >> appreciate it, elie honing. next, new cnn polling on republicans willingness to accept a trump presidency, even if charges against him are true. we'll get chris christie's take on that -- later, new video of an escaped killer on the run as the search for him, the man hunt, continues and intensifies. is strong enamel- nothing beats it. new pronamel active shield actively shields the enamel to defend against erosion and cavities.
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in light of tonight's breaking news for -- against the former president, there is new cnn polling on how little impact even a conviction would happen republican voters. republican-leaning voters were asked that if the charges were true, would it disalify the former president, for them, omecoming the president again? 68%, more than -- said no, they are not relevant to his fitness for the job. which presents a new challenge, -- or any basis it appears, the former president now leads his closest rival, ron desantis, nationally by 50 today 82%. all the other, is in single digits or less. this of course, as i said, the
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national poll, and the primaries going state by state. joining us now is one of the challengers, former new jersey governor chris christie. how do you reconcile that, that 68 percent of republicans, two in three say, even if he is convicted, that doesn't disqualify him from being president? >> i think the distinction a lot of these voters are making, and i have heard this on the campaign trail is, they believe that the charges were politically motivated. but, a lot of those 68%, i suspect, don't approve of the conduct. and i think that's where the difference is ultimately going to be made here. is that, people have differing opinions on whether the justice department has approached this in the way that's fair or unfair to donald trump. and the biden case plays into that as well. but, when i ask people about
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the underlying conduct, is that what they want for a president of the united states? a good majority of those people say, no. so i think that's where the distinction is being made, and maybe we can start to ask the question a little bit differently. >> in this cnn poll, again, nationally, the president has gained since june. in this, poll you've lost support since then. i know you say these national polls are essentially useless. >> they are. >> you look at new hampshire, what do you see when you are in new hampshire? what do you see when you're in iowa? >> will the latest pull in new hampshire as trump at 34, not at 52, happening at 14, not at two. and, that means 66% of the people polled in new hampshire don't want to support donald trump. >> your argument, when we talked last time was, if a dam breaks in iowa or new hampshire, then that's it, then if somebody else wins in either of those states, then the dam will break elsewhere. what evidence do you have that that's the case, that somebody in south carolina is going to pay attention with somebody in ios or new hampshire think? >> because a, lot of people say there for trump now because he is winning. and they say, well if it's inevitable, i'll be with him, because i don't like biden. the minute someone else is feasible, is plausible. and, by winning either the caucuses in iowa over the
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primary in new hampshire, you are more than feasible or plausible. you are now someone who has defeated donald trump. and that becomes a whole different story. and i would say to you to. remember that in a place like new hampshire, and i saw jeff zeleny's set up piece for this. you know, at the end, these folks are looking at this, and there is a big divide between men and women on this issue to. and, i'm seeing a large number, probably two thirds to one third at my town hall meetings, women two men. because i think that the women, in much march or larger numbers, have abandoned him. if you look at that poll that came out in the wall street journal. 62% of independents say they won't vote for him. we'll, if 62% of independents won't vote for, he is not winning the general election. and in the general election polls. >> but it doesn't seem like primary voters care too much about who's going to win the general election. yeah >> yeah, because it's labor day, and they don't have
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to think about it yet. look, this really will start coming to focus in the next couple of months. and, people are going to start to pay attention. summer vacations are overt, kids are back to school. all right, now there's an election going on, we'll see what's going to happen. >> when you hear jacks mitt making this filing again. its ceo, we don't know a lot about it. but, complain about comments that the former president is making, that contain a jury. isn't that, the guy is running for president. and i keep coming back for this, this is a really tricky situation. >> well, it is a tricky situation. he is running for president, that is voluntarily. >> but he has the right to criticize the process, doesn't he? >> of course he does. but when you have been indicted, the judge now has certain authority over you, regarding your influence on a jury pool.
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because look, donald trump, in d. c. and particular, i'm sure we'll be making the ardent he can't get a fair trial because of a jury in d. c.. well, he is not making it any better, from some of the comments he's made. so this is going to be a balancing act for the judge. i think what smith is probably trying to do, is to establish a factual predicate, to fight trump later on, when he says the jury can't be fair. smith will probably then say, well whose fault is that, your honor? he has been polluting this jury pool right from the beginning. so, my guess is, this is a bit of gamesmanship on smith's part, anticipating what the defense argument are going to be. >> what do you think of desantis not meeting with biden, when he came down to florida, after the hurricane. i should point out for those who maybe have a short memory, you met with obama, he was the president at the time. there was criticism, there had been a hug, there hadn't been a hug. i look at the photo again, and there was a handshake. i think obama put his hand -- >> there it is, he patted my shoulder. >> let me tell you something, in jersey, that's no hug. [laughter] that is no hug. >> but it's just a sign of how politicized these things. our -- and by the way, i would do one thing differently. my job, at that moment. when you saw that picture, we
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had over 35 billion dollar dollars in damage done to our state. two thirds of the state was without electricity. we had no operating water treatment or wastewater plants. every major highway was obstructed. 365,000 homes were destroyed, in 24 hours. that's the guy who could help me get it fix. >> should desantis have met with -- >> of course he should have. look, we shouldn't be playing politics with this stuff. but, governor desantis has always play politics with this. he voted against sandy aid, in 2012, as a member of the house. and now, he wants aid. you know, this is the hypocrisy that everybody sees in politics, and why they are looking for someone who will just tell him the truth. i'm trying to tell the people that camera of the truth tonight, which is if i had to do it all over again, 11 years nader. and i know it was six days before the election. but i was governor of new jersey, and my job was to make sure my state got rebuilt, and my people recovered as quickly as possible. and i couldn't do that without the help of the president of the united states. >> you are obviously --
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on ukraine, you are there and you met with zelenskyy. the new defense minister now, and also now kim qian is apparently going to be meeting with vladimir putin. what does that tell you? >> well it tells me that it is exactly what i've been saying it is. which is, this is a proxy war, between authoritarian dictatorship of that country, and the free world. so, if you look at people like kim jong-un, the mullahs in iran, russia, and china, they are all together on this. this is a proxy war. and, the free part of the world has to fight, this has to back ukraine, and has to help ukraine win. now, ukraine has made some gains in the last week or two, ten days, in their counteroffensive. but they are still getting outgunned, 10 to 1 artillery shells, on a daily basis. and so, if we were serious about this, and if joe biden was serious about this, he would be upping what he is doing, he would have given the f-16s a long time ago.
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and that's what i would have done. >> and cluster munitions? >> i support that as well. look, the chinese are now, and now the russians and the saudis are coming together to keep the cuts in production down, so that russia prices of oil can stay higher. all to supply them with money, for the war, anderson. and look, this is the naivete of the donald trump, ron desantis, vivek ramaswamy approach to foreign policy. they all think they are going to go talk to putin, and they are going to convince them to get away. putin is spending his time talking to kim jong un, and president xi of china, and the mullahs in a wrong. he has no interest, until we show him that the juice is not worth the squeeze, that he needs to stop with what he is doing to a free country, the atrocities there, the 20,000 plus children who have been kidnapped from their parents. this is stuff that the united states has to stand up against. and when i'm president, we will. >> chris christie, appreciated. >> thank you anderson. >> coming up, the man hunt for an escape murderer in pennsylvania.
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>> the man hunt for escaped pennsylvania inmate danelo cavalcante is now in its sixth day. police say they believe they
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there have been six sightings of the convict. a new surveillance video captured last night has authorities shifting their search. cnn's brian todd has more. >> tonight, new surveillance video, capturing an escaped inmate on the run in pennsylvania. convicted killer danelo cavalcante scene last night on the parks trail camera, outside the perimeter police were searching, forcing police to expand their manhunt. >> obviously, we wish we would have been able to capture without him getting through that perimeter. we will now expand that perimeter, and move it, so that we can try and encapsulate him again. >> police say they were only a few hours behind him, and the perimeter is still small. >> and we squeezed him, barred hard enough over a period of a few days, he will slip up. we are making him move, and that's a good thing. >> authorities warning residents, the situation is of evolving. two school districts canceling classes today, as the search zone expands. one homeowner believes the convicted killer entered his home late friday night. he says, he heard something
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downstairs, and rushed to his upstairs landing. >> what i decided to do is flip the light switch on and off, three or four or five times, pause. and then he flipped the light switch from downstairs, three or four times, which was the moment of, oh my god, this guy is down there. >> he says cavalcante walked out, after taking some food. >> -- cavalcante escaped prison last thursday, just weeks after he was -- sentenced to life without parole for the 2021 murder of his former girlfriend. prosecutors say he stabbed her 38 times in front of her two young children. police believe the convict has now been spotted six times. >> he is making bad decisions, he is still on foot. they're going to bring out the canines, and they're going to start focusing in. those canines are very effective, they've got helicopters. >> nearby residents are being asked to lock their homes, cars, garages, and sheds. >> i feel like i am a prisoner. i'm scared to go out. i'm just scared in general.
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because you never know where he is. >> my level of fear and concern is pretty high. >> the latest images show cavalcante as obtained a hooded sweatshirt, a duffel bag, and a backpack. >> clearly he is now burglarizing places, and getting access to backpacks, probably some food. maybe a knife or two. and lord knows, maybe even a firearm, we don't know. >> the search force already numbers more than 200 officers on the ground. but today, the fbi and the border patrol have sent in new teams and equipment. police say they are also interviewing danelo cavalcante 's contacts, his family, and other inmates for potential clues. anderson? >> brian todd, appreciate it. joining me now cnn chief law enforcement analyst john miller, the former nypd deputy commissioner. six days now, six possible sightings. how do you think he has been able to evade capture so far? >> so this is not out of the
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norm. we have had the -- burnham escape which was in warren county, pennsylvania, back in july. who is on the run for ten days -- >> there's a lot of forest area there. >> that's right. and anderson, as you recall, he was a guy with survivalist training, a former military person. and he had help on the outside and caches have supplies set up in the woods. danelo cavalcante has none of that. you can tell by the fact that he seems to be laying low in the day, but moving around in the night, look for opportunities. and what is he looking for? changes of clothes, to alter the description, food to sustain himself. and always, the possibility, when you enter a house, whether it's occupied or not, about being able to obtain a weapon, whether that's a knife or we are in the cusp between rural and suburban houses pennsylvania, eight gun, because a lot of houses happened. >> in your experience, what happens when a fugitive, the longer somebody stays on the run? >> they get either lucky, they see a car running, and they are
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able to put some distance between them, and maybe switch to a another car again. or, they get tired. if you look at the pattern here, he has made it basically from one box that they felt they had him trapped into another. it's getting tighter around him. he is clearly getting worn out. he's clearly getting hungry. the dangerous piece here is, he is also desperate. and the real factor, the threat factor here is, what happens when he is about to be captured, and there is a civilian between him and that capture, or a weapon between him and law enforcement. >> brian was stating the obvious, which is that the law enforcement is looking at his contacts and stuff. that is a common -- i mean, that would be the most obvious thing for somebody to do, to try to reach out to somebody that they have known from their past. >> right. so, when he was being sought for the murder that he has been sentenced to life for, he reached out to two family members, they were able to get him away, help dispose of the
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body, get him to a car, get him on the road. but they also became witnesses in the case, defendants, charged with harboring and helping. so -- >> -- dispose of the body, usually -- ends up -- >> sure. so, his network of friends has ignorantly shrunk. >> right. >> he's got very little to offer. and the fact that, the message being sent from the family, his mom, in portugal he's, blaring from the loudspeakers on the helicopter, turn yourself in safely. >> john, appreciate it. thanks. we will keep you updated. in south carolina, lawyers for -- disgraced attorney and convicted murderer alec murdaugh are seeking a new trial. murdaugh is currently serving two life sentences. you may remember, for the killing of his wife and son. now, his attorneys say that they have uncovered new evidence suggesting, according to them, significant problems with the court clerk. randi kaye, has the latest on that. so walk us through these new allegations from the defense. >> anderson, the defense is alleging jury tampering, denied their client alex murdaugh a fair trial.
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and at the center of it all, is the court clerk. her name is becky hill, and some of the allegations against her by the defense were laid out in their 65-page filing today. and they include that she instructed jurors not to be fooled by alex murdaugh's testimony, or misled by evidence presented by his defense team. this is of course an allegation. also, that she had frequent, private conversations with the jury foreperson in the bathroom, in the jury room. also, that she asked jurors their opinions about their guilt or innocence of alec alex murdaugh. she told the jury -- four person that everything murdaugh has said was lies. and also, this is a big one here, anderson. the defense is alleging that she invented a story about a facebook post, in order to have a juror removed. a juror that she thought was going to vote that alex murdaugh was not guilty. and sure enough, that juror was removed, on the very last day of the trial. also, the defense is alleging that she pressured the jurors to actually come up with a very quick verdict, telling him that
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they were going to have to stay in a hotel. also, that they would not be allowed to take smoking breaks. six of those jurors were smokers. so, the defense team held a very brief press conference, today, anderson, and they shared how alex murdaugh himself is responding to these allegations. listen. >> when i shared with him the affidavits, he's a lawyer, he was astonished, he was shaking. he was in disbelief. >> and of course, anderson, the question is, why would a court clerk allegedly do this? the defense also laid that out in their court filing. and they say that she did this to get her books sold, that she had a plan to write a book based on this trial, and she wanted to profit from that book. sure enough, anderson, it she did. she published a book this summer. they also say that without a conviction, it would be very unlikely that she would have been able to secure a book deal. we did reach out to becky hill for comment, anderson, and we have not heard back. >> and what kind of proof does the defense say that he has?
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>> the defense cites at least three sworn affidavits. one from maduro, and one from one of those dismissed jurors. they are also using an excerpt from becky hail's book, the book she got published this summer, as evidence against her in this case. and i did speak with the lawyer who is representing two of those jurors, joe mccullen, and he told me that those jurors did come forward, reluctantly, anderson. >> and what did the attorney general and prosecutors have to say? >> well, the attorney general has ten days to file a reply. i did get a statement from attorney general alan wilson's office today, saying they are currently reviewing the defense 's latest motion. they will respond through the legal process, at the appropriate time. i also reached out to -- sled the south carolina law enforcement division. they, of course, did the key investigation of alex murdaugh. and, they did not want to offer a response at this time. but it's just worth noting, anderson, very quickly, that even if there is a new trial, and this conviction gets overturned, he is facing dozens of charges, related to financial crimes. and he will very likely still spend the rest of his life in
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prison, anderson. >> yeah, but all of the twists and this case's head. randi kaye, appreciate it. coming up next, the questions that continue to surround mitch mcconnell -- the highest ranking senate republican. we will tell you at the capitol doctor said, and didn't, say about his recent health scare. and later, this is an incredible report, i. s. i. s. as you know, was not shy about recording its crimes, for years. now, there is an ice is isis video they didn't even know was being reported -- you are going to see children's hospital that they turned into a torture chamber. you're going to see the video, i three 60 exclusive, ahead. ♪ got the keys to what you want and what you need ♪ ♪ something new something sweet ♪ ♪ moving to a different beat ♪ ♪ okay now (what?) ♪ ♪ can i get a (get a) drumroll? (what?) ♪ ♪can i get a drumroll drumroll? (what?)♪ ♪ can i get a can i get a drumroll please (oohh) ♪ ♪ that's nice (yahh)♪ (♪) ♪ ya, can i get a drumroll, ♪ ♪ can i get a drum- ♪ ♪ that's nice ♪
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>> senate minority leader mitch mcconnell today made his first public appearance since he froze in front of reporters last week. the appearance comes as his office look to ease concerns over his recent health scares, releasing a more comprehensive report from the capitals attending physician -- last week, the senate minority leader for about 30 seconds while speaking with reporters in kentucky, and as you know, he experienced a similar episode just weeks ago during a news conference on capitol hill. this is the latest incident, you just saw. the latest one has, of course, raised more concerns about his health, even among his own party, and has called into question his ability to serve. he addressed those concerns on the senate floor today. >> one particular moment of my time back home has received its fair share of attention in the
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press over the past week. but i assure you, august was a busy and productive month for me and my staff back in the commonwealth. >> so he addressed it, but didn't really address it. mcconnell is also expected to address his health during a closed-door gop meeting tomorrow. with me now, cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. so, walk us through what the capitol hill physician said about senator mcconnell. >> so dr. brian monahan basically looked at some of the things that were most likely to cause episodes like this, freezing episodes. and he sent a letter directly to senator mcconnell, basically saying this. there is no evidence, that there is a seizure disorder that you've have experienced known as a tia which is a transient ischemic attack, sometimes known as many strokes, or something like that movement disorder, such as parkinson's. so he basically said, based on the various tests and stuff he had done, there was no evidence
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of those things. he didn't say what it was other than light-headedness, which, again, it's pretty hard to reconcile with those types of freezing episodes. pretty brief letter. he did say at the end that the senator should continue his current treatment protocol for the concussion he suffered back in march. but again, he did not say what that treatment protocol was. >> do we know more about the tests the doctor said the senator underwent? because this doctor wasn't giving the senator tests, right? the senator had undergone tests and he had access to those? if we know about the tests, how effective were those tests being ruling out other conditions? >> they were a few tests. and from the letter, i got the sense that, after august 30th until now, he had these tests done, and the doctor consulted with neurologist about senator mcconnell. it's not clear that senator mcconnell's all these
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neurologists himself. but the tests, anderson, were brain mri. so, that's looking at the brain, looking at anything from blood collections to tumors, anything like that, and an eeg study, which is sort of a snapshot in time of the electrical activity of your brain. it's to look for seizures. but, again, it's a snapshot in time. -- then, as i mentioned, according to manu raju's reporting, there was four different neurologist who were consulted as well. what's interesting, anderson, is that that is a fairly, fairly detailed investigation. there's a significant tests. they can give you a fair amount of information, that i can't definitively rule out a seizure. again, they can just give you that snapshot in time. and when you look at the video, i think part of the -- when you watch that most -- and i think we have the video -- but that most recent episode just a few days ago, he has this period of time we are he, again, appears frozen, which is the best sort of clinical term
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here. but as you see that aid coming up on his right shoulder, he seems to have -- side of his -- right he is not looking at that aid. he's -- you will see another aid come to the left side and say something as well. and at that point you would see senator mcconnell look to his left. so, that's another clue that there is something, what we call, focal going on. something involving one part of his brain, perhaps, that is causing these types of symptoms. and there obviously was a level of concern by the capitol hill physician because they got all these tests. unfortunately, anderson, we are left still with no real answer as to what exactly happened here. light-headedness is not a focal thing. that is something that would cause your whole system to feel like you need to sit down, rest, something like that. what you are seeing there is something very specific. and i am not sure we still have an answer to what caused. that >> were there -- i mean, what is left that could be causing the issue?
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>> there is not many other things that you can really put on the list. but i don't know that, as extensive and exhaustive as the testing was done, again, with that eeg -- is just capturing a moment in time. if someone is not having a seizure at the time the eeg is being performed, you would say that there is no evidence of seizure, but oftentimes -- >> are there -- >> you would monitor him for a period of time, probably. if there is still -- that could be a 24-hour sort of monitoring for an eeg. you might even do what i called challenges, where you actually would do things to see if you can induce the seizure. you are trying to find evidence and the evidence as to why this might occur. i will say, that after someone has had a concussion, which is a brain injury, back in march, there is sometimes seizures that can happen after that. and it wouldn't be that unusual for that to sort of all fall in line with his previous history. >> sanjay, appreciated. --
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>> now, a cnn exclusive. for years, the islamic state, also known as isis wasn't shy about filming its tag brutality, when it helped to establish a caliphate in iraq and syria. most of their crimes were posted online, including executions. we're about to see a video of isis inaction during its reign of terror that was it was recorded and secret four month. iss had no idea. the video will likely fuel prosecutions or -- feel fuel prosecutions around
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the world. it has never been seen publicly until now. it is difficult to watch at times. some disturbing images. cnn's jomana karadsheh. as the exclusive report. >> answering the call to unite under one flag, this is the source of our glory. >> it was a isis hallmark, slick media production, terrorizing the world. that is what they wanted us to see. but not this. >> this film is different. this film is islamic state without islamic state knowing it was being filmed. >> never before seen video inside the group's headquarters in the syrian city of aleppo in 2013, a children's hospital turned into a house of horrors. cctv video captures the reality of the islamic state, we are torture was routine. hundreds of syrians were held and in this makeshift prison, and many never made it out to tell their stories. others did, including some western hostages with chilling accounts of what they survived and witnessed.
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>> we could hear the syrian prisoners in the first places where we were detained in the aleppo, hospital, for instance. we could see some of them in there, the corridor's and we could see some people lying in their blood. >> this video was much more than just a snapshot of i. s. i. s. 's reign of terror. >> as a normal state of affairs, the hospital had cctv running. the members of islamic state didn't realize that this was being recorded in the background and didn't think too much about it. >> and the cameras rolled for months, capturing scenes like this. a captive left hanging in a stress position, blindfolded detainees marched in down the hallway, and here are a fighter laughing, as he pushes down the head of handcuffed and who did detainee. this is only a few of the clips shared exclusively with cnn by the commission for international -- >> this is exactly the type of
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treatment that we've heard about from survivors. what makes this important is, as you see right there, the islamic state member without a mask on, walking down the hall, that's a person that would normally try and hide his face outside. >> we've blurred faces to preserve ongoing investigations and possible future prosecutions. >> that's incredible evidence at trial. for several of these individuals who have been identified. >> according to angles fighters from all over the world, including senior members from europe and the u.s. or operating in the facility. the video, he says, has already been east white and defy a french suspect. evidence gathered has long allowed law enforcement and various western countries to identify and track isis members who fled before the fall of isis -- investigators worked on the cover collecting evidence from the battlefields in syria and iraq. >> it's often the case that domestic law enforcement and
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prosecutorial authorities have enough evidence to prove that they were a member. what we think is important is that wherever possible we are able to prosecute them for torture, for kidnapping, for their murder. >> this is not just about the past. isis remains a top global security threat. >> these are individuals that have already proven that they are a threat. and we don't want to give them the opportunity to decide to go down that path again. we have had several hundred requests for information, and our law enforcement partners have not at all forgotten about the caliphate. >> just before dawn on january 17th, heavily armed dutch police descended on this street in the village of arkl. they raided a house and arrested a man suspected of having been a senior isis commander in syria. his arrest in the small, sleepy town where he lived a quiet
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life with his wife and children shocked the nation. residents here were reluctant to speak to us about the suspect. identified as -- he allegedly operated in damascus, not aleppo, so, it wasn't the cctv video that led to his arrest. it was a gift from a syrian ngo and witness testimony that triggers a years-long investigation. [sound of gunfire] sources say he had a long history of extremism in syria, holding leadership positions first within an al-qaeda affiliate and later isis. -- reject the government accusations, now faces life in prison. >> -- leading position within it serious terrorist organization. >> miriam bloom is the lead prosecutor on the case. she is charged him with two counts of membership in terrorist organizations with the aim to commit war crimes. >> in order to charge him with separate war crimes, like execution or violent arrests, or torture, you need more
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evidence. then indications. >> so this is ongoing? >> we have investigations still going on, yeah. >> was he hiding? >> he was not hiding. he was just living their openly. people like him were also criminals. they can come to the netherlands, hiding in the illegitimate stream of refugees. and to be able to investigate, prosecute those cases is very, very important aspect in our mission not to be a safe haven for war criminals. >> the trail of terror isis left behind will haunt not only their victims, but those who tormented them. >> jomana karadsheh joins us now. that video is so sickening, in the form hospital. the man who was arrested in the small town in the netherlands, to investigators have a sense of how many suspected high-ranking former i.s.i.s. members might be hiding in plain sight in western countries right now? >> it is very unclear, anderson.
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when you have is, as you recall, tens of thousands of foreigners who joined i.s.i.s. in syria and iraq about a decade ago. many of them have been killed. you also have thousands who remain in jail in iraq and syria. but you have had countries that have been dealing in recent years with returnees, the repatriation of foreign fighters and, in some cases, european countries like this have found suspected isis members who have made into these countries through the stream of refugees. how many we don't really know. this is what evidence like this is crucial. it could help law enforcement agencies identify some of the suspects, and it would allow prosecutors to go after them for more serious crimes and offenses, not just for membership. and as you've heard there, from chris, we spoke to in our piece, we are talking about individuals who've already proven they are a threat and it is very important for organizations like the
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commission to hold these perpetrators accountable, as we've heard also from the prosecutor in the netherlands, this is also about justice for the countless victims of isis, anderson. >> yeah, and it's amazing that that cctv footage was -- jomana karadsheh, fascinating report. thank you. >> thank you very much, anderson. >> we will be right back. and it isn't what you think. it's actually noom. it's two times more effective than doing it on your own. get started right now by taking the noom quiz. gives you access to every game. but terry doesn't have directv. come on. come on. work for dad- here... now, you can find the game easy.
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