that investigation. >> reporter: but in a video of a county prison board meeting obtained by cnn, the warden acknowledged staffing challenges at the prison the day before the escape. >> my biggest concern although we have well intentions and of our training, because of fatigue having set in, we're not as sharp as we need to be. >> reporter: warden holland declined our request for an interview. >> this is an outrage. this should have never happened. >> reporter: today the chester county district attorney says her attention is solely on the manhunt and the family of the woman cavalcante killed, deborah brandao. >> they do have protection and they're terrified. they haven't left their home. they're barricaded inside and very concerned about their safety. >> reporter: and erin, we're just reporting on some breaking news out of this area. we can report that longwood gardens, the botanical gardens we've been talking about all week has been closed due to police activity on there. they've cleared all the guests. they're telling people on there to shelter in place. still no capture at this time,

though. erin? >> all right. obviously could be moving here quickly. danny, thank you very much. and thanks to all you have for being with us. "ac 360" starts now. >> reporter: tonight on "360," breaking news on the millions in dollars of legal bills giuliani faces and why tonight's $100,000 a plate dinner might ontario put a dent in them. four flips with the mar-a-lago i.t. special and news about the documents case and what he could be prepared to say in court. new polling on the president. and if age is just a number, so is the stunningly high percentage of democrats who wish they had someone else to vote for. more breaking news. people sheltering in place in pennsylvania where there is a manhunt for the escaped killer who has been on the run for more than a week. good evening. we begin with significant development in and around the president. one of his former advisers peter navarro was convicted of charges on contempt of congress charges. he and steve bannon defied subpoenas from the january 6th committee. bannon is appealing his

conviction, and in a combative post press conference, he said he would do the same. >> this is a landmark case. this is a landmark case that's bound for the supreme court. why do i say that? this is the first time in the history of our republic that a senior white house adviser, an alter ego of the president, has ever been charged with the alleged crime. that's the first time that this has ever happened. >> we've also learned through a court filing in the mar-a-lago case that i.t. worker yuscil tavares has reached an agreement with jack smith. the filing marks the first potential evidence that a witness as flipped. making it formal, notifying the judge they might try to get the trial moved to federal court. here with kaitlan collins and senior legal analyst elie honig. so elie, correct me if i'm

wrong. it doesn't seem like peter navarro has much of a chance on about appeal. this is pretty cut and dry, isn't it? >> i don't think you're wrong. he will get to appeal to the intermediate court of appeals. this is not a landmark case. >> i know he is trying to make himself seem more important. >> right. i think he has a little bit of overinflated. >> it's landmark case because it's the first time the alter ego of the president has been charged. that a thing? >> that's not a legal term. alter ego of the president. here's the problem there could have been an interesting constitutional issue here if the question was what happens when congress subpoenas someone from the executive branch and they invoke executive privilege. the problem is here the judge held a pretrial hearing and found there was no invocation of executive privilege. it's something you made up. and there is no face, he could have appeared and plead the fifth. >> 100%. he could have avoided all this by appearing and testifying or appearing an taking the fifth. no on tempt. he brought it on himself.

>> kaitlan, is peter navarro still of interest of the former president or trump world? is this something they would ph fund raise off. >> at the heart of this, he was saying that trump did, and that's why he did not respond to that subpoena. that's why he didn't comply with it. but trump never came and offered any testimony or they never wrote anything or had any evidence that trump had actually done that. and that's what was at the heart of it. that's what dealt the biggest blow to peter navarro and the judge said you can't make that argument of executive privilege. that's why this whole thing -- >> that's brutal. i. to be slavishly loyal and not have him come. >> he was asked why didn't you just get trump to say he did that? well, he is dealing with his own legal problems, noting all the indictments that trump was facing, which i thought was a bit ironic. >> he is helping rudolph giuliani out tonight. >> in an indirect way, he is helping him host a fundraiser, but he is not paying for giuliani's legal fees.

>> elie, this i. the worker so interesting, that he only decided to flip or change his story when he ditched his trump paid for lawyer, or trump pac paid for lawyer. >> this is also peter navarro's lawyer. >> oh, all right. small world. >> it's also walt nauta's attorney. >> the guy is everywhere. there is conflicts of interest everywhere. look, this happens all the time where someone comes in and they lie to you the first time. in an ideal world for prosecutors, witnesses would come in the first time. that would tell you everything they did, everything they know, that would be great. it doesn't happen in reality all that often. especially where someone comes in and they've got lawyer with the conflict of interest, because people in that situation are naturally reluctant. because, a, they feel like i can't really say something about the guy who is paying for him. and b, if i do, i'm going lose that lawyer, then have to hire any own lawyer, way more expensive than people realize, or get a public defend. >> i think that's what happened with employee after the tavares. as long as you can explain that

to a jury, you'll be find. still a useful witness. >> does it create liability problems? >> a little bit. juries in my experience understand that phenomenon. >> and walt nauta, this i.t. worker is connected to walt nauta, probably the closest person they have who has flipped? >> definitely the closest person they have. this is not someone they have evidence of trump issuing a direct order, but it is conversations these officials were having with trump. they have, for example, carlos de oliveira, they seized his phones. they know the calls he made. we saw that in the superseding indictment to trump. for example, he would have a call with trump. before then he went and had a conversation about the boss wanting the footage deleted. >> and the superseding indictment came about because of testimony of this i.t.? >> the superseding indictment came out. we were making calls about where the other changes came from. the only reason we're finding this out is the judge also are asked that. why are you bringing them now.

essentially it is because the attorney situation changed. yuscil tavares changed his testimony. this is the first time it's officially confirmed. but this is something they had suspected in trump world that this is where the information was coming from. >> so there is no evidence that the i.t. worker spoke directly to trump? >> when it came to the orders that he wanted the surveillance footage deleted that came from carlos de oliveira who said the boss wanted this deleted. >> you pull a thread, you never know. you can unravel the whole sweater. the best case scenario, the i.t. worker gets you to de oliveira. worst case, he is a useful witness. >> in the georgia case, it seems that the trump legal team as predicted is going to try to move to it federal court. >> that's a no-brainer. i think it's interesting that he is waiting, though. he has 30 days from arraignment to do it. meadows is on the brink. any day now we're going get the decision on meadows. i stand by that. any day we will get that decision. i think what trump is trying to do by going later is perhaps

ride meadows' coattail into federal court. if meadows wins and gets into federal court, there is an argument. we don't know the answer to this. it has never come up before. but there is an argument that will be made that all 18 other co-defendants go over with him. it make make sense to sit back, let meadows do his thing and you can weave your argument to fit that ruling, strategic. >> it's not trump doing that. all of the co-defendants are doing that here. they're waiting to see what hatches with meadows before they all make a decision. even people like john eastman, who they were not employed by the federal government, weren't getting a taxpayer-funded paycheck like mark meadows was. they still will also likely try to make that argument, they say. >> kaitlan collins, thanks. we'll see you at 9:00 on "the source." elie honig, thank you so much. more on rudolph giuliani's fundraising tonight. his considerable financial troubles randi kaye joins us now. what have you learned, randi? >> anderson, our colleagues and cnn have learned some new

reporting. a source familiar with giuliani's finances tell cnn he owes millions of dollars in legal fees. certainly his fundraiser at bedminster tonight is certainly going to cut into that. it is $100,000 a plate. he is expected to raise more than a million dollars. it's one of two fundraisers, anderson, that trump is expected to sponsor for giuliani. but as you know, there are a lot of other co-defendants, and trump does not seem to be holding out a helping hand to all of them. >> i don't know a lot of those people. >> reporter: former president donald trump distancing himself from his 18 co-defendants in the georgia indictment. all are accused of trying to interfere with the state's 2020 presidential election results on behalf of trump. so is trump helping fund their defense and cover their mounting legal bills? in a word, no. listen to trump's election lawyer john eastman, who pushed the false premise that then vice president mike pence could block certification of the 2020 vote. >> who is paying your legal

fees? >> i am. >> you are? >> have you talked to the former president at all? >> nope. >> reporter: eastman has turned to a faith-based crowd funding side called gives and go. he's raised more than 525,000 dollars. and what about general in ellis who falsely claimed there was election fraud. a frustrated sounding ellis posting this on x, formerly known as twitter. why isn't maga inc. funding everyone's defense? i was reliably informed trump isn't funding any of us who are indicted. ellis, who is now backing florida governor ron desantis is also collecting donations on gifts and go, asking donors to help her fight back and stand for the truth. she has raised more than $197,000. kathy latham, a fake elector from georgia, who is also accused of tampering with voting equipment is crowd funding too. her appeal notes she is living on a teacher's pension. latham has collected more than $18,000 in donations.

and jeffrey clark, the former justice department official who was also charged in fulton county has raised more than $61,000 crowd funding. >> they don't have a lot of money, and none of them -- almost nothing. >> reporter: whatever they did or didn't do, one of them spent nearly a week in the fulton county jail because he couldn't afford a lawyer. harrison floyd, the leader of black voices for trump is accused of threatening a georgia election worker. following the indictment, floyd surrendered without an attorney. >> i cannot afford an attorney for something like this. >> reporter: his new court-appointed attorney later negotiated a $100,000 bond and floyd's release. while trump hasn't yet covered legal bills for his alleged co-conspirators in georgia, a source close to trump tells cnn they may be able to access a recently created legal defense fund. >> what other potential legal fees could add up for giuliani? >> well, anderson, this georgia

indictment has certainly added to giuliani's financial woes. he is already facing multiple defamation lawsuits related to the 2020 election. we've also learned that giuliani and his attorney made a personal appeal to donald trump earlier this year to cover his legal costs. cnn has learned that trump did pay one debt when it comes to those, but did not pay anything beyond that. and anderson, cnn is learning from sources that trump is really pushing back on this idea that he is the one responsible for paying giuliani's legal fees. he has been arguing that he just didn't do anything wrong. of course, cnn has reached out the team trump and have not heard back. anderson? >> randi kaye, thank you so much. coming up next, can the 14th amendment aimed at keeping former confederates off the ballot do the same today to the former president? we talk to a top election official in the state. and later, new polling on president biden that is raising everything from concerns to serious alarm among democrats.

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and landed yesterday in colorado. the advocacy groups citizens for responsibility in ethics in washington filing suit there to keep him off the ballot under the 14 amendment's ban on insurrectionists holding public office. the question now what will courts make of it, not to mention the public. joining us colorado's top election official, secretary of state jenna griswald. secretary griswald, for the benefit of viewers, can you explain the part of the 14th amendment that argues this and that applies here? >> absolutely. and thanks for having me on, anderson. so a lawsuit was filed claiming that donald trump is disqualified from the colorado ballot for inciting the insurrection and trying to steal the election in 2020 from the american people. election 3 of the 14th amendment says that if anybody swears to uphold the constitution, they are disqualified from office if they subsequently engage in rebellion or insurrection or provide aid or comfort to the enemies of the constitution. so that is what the lawsuit is

about. there are big constitutional questions attached to it, and i think it's necessary for a court to weigh in. >> i mean, as an election official, do you think the argument is valid? do you think he did? there is arguments to all sorts of arguments against this. was he really involved in, you know, in did he give aid and comfort? what do you think? >> thing is a lot of big constitutional questions that there is uncertainty around. i do believe that donald trump incited the insurrection. i do believe he has been attacking american democracy in attempt to steal american elections. but there is a couple of things unclear about section 3 of the 14th amendment. so, for example, if someone would be disqualified under the language of that provision, are they disqualified from running for office or just being seated in office? who gets to make the decision? and in colorado law, how do we

consider potential disqualification for ballot access? so those are all really big questions. and i'm hopeful that the court will provide guidance to me as secretary of state, but to other secretaries across the nation. >> it's interesting, because this argument is sort have gotten a lot of study among very conservative constitutional scholars, who are backing this idea of him being banned based on this section of the 14th amendment. >> that's right. it's really interesting. and actually, the proponents of this lawsuit, the voters who brought it are republican and unaffiliated voters. and it just shows that this is really about upholding the law and upholding the constitution. i do think, and want to share with your viewers that this may not be resolved during the primary. we can see this question pop up again if he wins republican nomination. it could pop up again if he wins the election for president. and it's not the only apparatus

that will reflect the upcoming election. americans have decided time and time again at the ballot box that they choose democracy over chaos. so americans can have their voice heard in various times in the primary in general in this upcoming election, and we'll see how everything else plays out. >> do you think it's inevitable that this question will go to the supreme court, or is this something that might be decided state by state? >> well, you know, it's a little early to really have a good inclination on that. but this is something that possibly could go to the supreme court. but these are to an extent also state by state questions. there are big questions about the 14th amendment. but then there is specific state questions about how state law interacts with that provision. so we may see different litigation play out across the state and different iterations of the lawsuits. >> poll after poll shows that even with everything that's come out about the former president, he is still, as you know, by far the gop front-runner for the

nomination. do you have concerns that a judicial ruling, if it went against the former president could be disenfranchising millions of advisers on their choice in the 2024 election? >> well, i think if that if the u.s. voter were the make a ruling to effectively disqualify the former president as a candidate, that is a provision of candidacy. so no, i wouldn't think that that would be disenfranchising. there are certain characteristics that people have to hit to run for office. so, for example, arnold schwarzenegger, when he was governor of california, he couldn't run for u.s. president, even though a lot of people wanted him to, because he wasn't a born citizen. someone who is 25 can't run for u.s. president. so this is one of the requirements of office, a qualification of office. and what i will do and other secretaries i hope will do will follow whatever decision comes from the courts. >> i saw a recent interview in politico. you said there have been

conversations among secretaries of state across the country about how to deal with this issue, potential future lawsuits. there any consensus that you've been hearing? >> well, i think it's very public that has been conversations. this has been this the news now for a while. lawsuits are starting to emerge. and i think a handful of secretaries of state have spoken publicly about it. i think if there is a consensus, and i don't want to speak for all secretaries, what i think it would be is that court should weigh in. there are very smart people on both sides of the aisle, conservatives and liberals who think that there is something there with the 14th amendment. and there is people who disagree. so this is a perfect case for judicial review. and i look forward and hope that this case gets resolved quickly. >> jenna griswald, secretary of state for colorado, thanks very much. >> thank you. next, alarming poll numbers for president biden's reelection campaign. voters concerned a lot about his

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right now president biden is aboard air force heading to the g20 summit in new delhi, india. he leaves behind bleak polling that is concerning democrats, the president is tied in potential head to head matchups with most republican candidates, including former president trump. one exception, former south carolina governor nikki haley. he is losing to her by 49 to 43%. more troubling, perhaps, just 50% of democrats say he has the stamina and sharpness to serve effectively as president. that's down 62 in march. i want to talk to kate bedingfield. nina turner who served as co-chair of bernie sanders's 2020 presidential campaign. nina, i know you think the democratic party should be concerned about the polling. you said there is, quote, unfortunately disconnect between those in the bubble and those in the streets. how does that bubble get popped? >> well, not by denying the pain

that people are feeling, anderson. that's part of the problem. it's the long-term challenges that people faced even before the pandemic. we know that pandemic exacerbate it. certainly the biden militia showed a willingness that the government could come in to provide some relief. but as soon as the pandemic kind of tamed a bit, that relief went away. the first thing that comes to mind for me is the child tax credit. you can't boast about pulling children out of poverty, only to allow the politics to push them back in to the poverty. so people who are going to rah-rah for president biden, there are people who do that. but when you're talking to everyday people, big mama, big papa, in the hoods where they're misunderstood, whether the hoods are urban, rural, or suburban, they are not feeling that things are getting better for them economically, and that should be the measure, not whether or not the president's cheerleaders say that things are better, but it's whether or not the people in the streets say things are better. >> kate, it is remarkable.

not only is there no clear leader between the president and his predecessor in the polls, but he is also about even with the rest of the gop field. we just mentioned nikki haley would actually beat him in a theoretical matchup right now according to polling. and we're certainly a long away from 2024. are you concerned? >> i think we have to remember this is one national poll over a year out from election. a poll is a snapshot. it's a slice of information at a moment in time. there is a lot that isn't in this poll. for example, we don't see anything about guns, about choice, about voting rights, things that we saw just a few year motivated democratic voters to come out to the polls and to vote. so there are elements of this poll that provide information. i can tell you the biden campaign and the biden white house is not going to be rattled by this poll. but to the point that nina was making, absolutely the president is connected with and concerned with what people are feeling all across the country. he is out talking about the ways in which what he has been able

to get done on his economic agenda is making life better for people. but he also talks a lot about understanding their pain and talks about optimism for the future. and i think that's the thing that the president and the biden campaign will continue to really reinforce as they move forward as not just to talk what they've done, although they have done quite a bit to make life better. and we see consumer confidence coming up. we see inflation coming down. we see wages coming up, things that do make a real difference for people. but they're also going to continue to talk what can get done moving forward. >> you don't believe anybody in the biden campaign or white house is concerned about a poll like this? >> i can tell you have from having worked very closely with joe biden and his team for a long time, they're not going to be rattled by one poll. they're going collect the aggregate information, of course. but they're not going to adjust strategy on one poll, one national poll a year out from the election. ultimately, this is a race that's going to be decided, not on the national level, but by the seven or so swing states that decided the election in

2020. so one year out, a poll that tells you sort of nationally that the country is divided into very hard partisan camps, that's not -- that's not shocking. that's where our politics has been for a while now. so what the biden campaign is going to do is keep talking about his record, talking about how they're making lives better for people and critically, the other thing i would say is critically driving that contrast between trump and what the republicans are offering. because at the end of the day, that's also how you move numbers in a campaign is by driving the contrast. >> the president's age is obviously a concern to a lot of voters out there. in your view, is it possible future him to overcome that concern? he is not going to be able to change his age. >> yeah, maybe. and that's by animating the material, changing material conditions of people. where i disagree with my colleague kate is on this. certainly we do understand that a poll is a snapshot in time. but what that snapshot is informative to the pressures

that everyday people are feeling. so just simply being out there on the stump, talking about what i have done, what i am doing is not enough if the people you are talking to are not feeling it. for example, in hawaii, given individuals $700 for the trauma they are enduring is not enough. not visiting east palestine, ohio in my state is not enough. and i do not belief that being anti-trump is going to be enough to carry the democrats in 2024, although i do believe people should be concerned about neo fascism. but neo liberalism impacts neo fascism. when you have the people who have the type of attitude, it's within thing to cheerlead for your team. i get it. i served as national co-chair for bernie sanders. i get cheerleading for your team. but what we cannot do is forget how exhausted and exacerbated that everyday people are in. and i'm talking about housing, utilities have gone up, food costs have gone up. so although inflation has ticked

down a little bit, it is not keeping pace with the anxiety that everyday people are feeling. so it's not going to be enough to run against the do nothing republicans who are doing nothing to solve these problems. you're going to have to use the power. you can not say you're like fdr when you're not going the stand up and let the monied interests know that you're copping for them on behalf of big mama and big papa. >> go ahead, kate. >> i was just going the say you mentioned senator sanders. we was out in new hampshire last week talking about what bidenomics, all about building from the bottom up and the middle out. it's about investing in working people in this country, to make sure that they can get ahead. he was out talking what the biden agenda has done for working people. so i certainly don't disagree, and certainly the president doesn't disagree. he is always thinking about how he can connect with where people are and make the case for the fact that we can get more done. i don't think anybody is arguing

that -- that democrats should only run against trump. and i think what joe biden -- >> i think part of the problem -- >> well, wait, can i finish really quickly? can i finish really quickly. i think one of the things joe biden has done very effectively from the outset when he launch his campaign in 2019 is to lay out the stakes that he believes that we're facing, the existential threat that he believes donald trump poses to the country, and his very, very different path forward. and i think he has been able to get a lot done in a very closely divided washington. he has a good case to make to people. and we're going to see the contours of this campaign are going to be about are we -- are voters going to be for an agenda that's about helping working people get ahead or are they going to be for a republican agenda that's about taking away choice, taking away freedom, and not putting money in working people's pockets. >> got to leave it there. kate bedingfield, anita turner, appreciate it. people fighting and sheltering in place as authorities in pennsylvania try to close in on the killer who

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there is breaking news right now. a new sighting in the manhunt for a killer who broke out of the eastern pennsylvania prison more than a week ago. police there have now zeroed in on a location. people are sheltering in place right now. cnn's brian todd joins us. so what's going on where you are, brian? >> anderson, we can tell you a short time ago, the pennsylvania

state police confirmed to cnn that there has been another sighting of this fugitive, danelo cavalcante this evening. the police would not say when or where the sighting occurred. here is what we can also tell you, according to a spokesperson for the facility known as longwood gardens. this is an area right behind me here. according to this person, they have said that the police are searching an area of longwood gardens, an area of interest. they have also moved guests out of the area, and at one point tonight, they did tell employees to shelter in place. but they are searching an area of interest in longwood gardens. that's just behind me in this area. you can see the law enforcement vehicles here behind me, anderson. that's what we can tell you tonight. another sighting, and they are searching an area right around here. >> do you have any sense of how large an area that might be? you probably don't, because i know this is all happening right now. >> well, it's a large area. what they told us earlier was that the entire perimeter was about an eight to ten-square mile area. but i can tell you, anderson, in the last couple of hours, that

perimeter has changed many, many times. there have been law enforcement vehicles, dozens upon dozens of them moving all around us at high speeds sometimes, with lights flashing, and they have pushed us from one point to another. this perimeter keeps changing. that's one part of it right there. this perimeter keeps changing tonight. my colleague aaron cooper observed law enforcement personnel with tactical vests on, camouflage gear and long guns. that's the first glimpse we've had of those types of personnel. all of this activity coming after a sighting at about noon today, telling us that this fugitive may be moving around in a fairly tight area. tonight another reported sighting as the manhunt for convicted murderer danelo cavalcante enters its second week. >> we got a possible sighting of cavalcante by a person in the vicinity of longwood gardens. >> reporter: this sighting officials say was not far from where he was seen on a trail camera monday night. a law enforcement official tells cnn someone walked up to police and reported seeing cavalcante around noon today. police searched the area inside

their perimeter of eight to ten square miles, asked why they couldn't squeeze in the area to grab him. >> it's not just a perfect open piece of land that you can just march through. you've got businesses, residences, highway, hills, valleys, wooded areas that can't be pushed through. >> reporter: cavalcante has been on the run since august 31st, the week after he was sentenced to life in prison for murdering his girlfriend. the victim's family in fear for their lives. >> they do have protection, and they are terrified. they haven't left their home. they're barricaded inside, and very concerned about their safety. we do have police detail around them 24 hours a day. but i know they're very, very worried. this is an outrage. this should have never happened. you know that i was the prosecutor who was assigned to this case, and i helped convict this man. and he was sentenced to life without parole. we're all upset. >> reporter: this stunning surveillance video shows the escape, the 34-year-old crab-walking up the side of a wall in an outdoor exercise area of the prison.

investigators say he pushed through razor wire, ran across a roof, scaled another fence, and got through more razor wire. now on the run, he has been seen several times in the surrounding area, and police have found his footprints. >> saturday evening, we heard some very strange things in the woods, saw some things on our cameras, and we did alert police. >> reporter: nina and charlie lymon live less than two miles from the prison on a 65-acre farm. they believe cavalcante may have been on their property, which police have searched twice. >> we do have several nooks and crannies. we have three barns, hay lofts, horse trailers. there are three houses on the property. we're taking precautions. >> reporter: cavalcante has been recorded at least twice on surveillance video. the more days that go by without them catching him, does he get more dangerous? >> well, he does. he gets more dangerous because he gets more desperate. he is probably looking to obtain a weapon. he is going to need to get water and food and more clothes and, you know, he is looking for a

vehicle. and all of those things potentially put him in contact with the public, with citizens in their homes, cars, outside. and that's where the real danger comes in. >> reporter: we've been pressing law enforcement officials every step of the way on whether danelo cavalcante has obtained a weapon or not. the latest word we got a short time ago is so far they do not have any indication that he has obtained a weapon. now as for whether he has left any traces of himself behind anywhere, like food, clothing, or anywhere else like that, lieutenant colonel george bivins of the state police told me so far they have found no physical traces of this man. but things are very fluid tonight. >> sounds like it. brian todd, thank you. turkey, hundreds of rescuers are rushing to reach a man trapped inside a cave. the turkish caving federation warning it's a complex operation and could take days. sam kiley has more. >> reporter: painstaking and dangerous, the start of a desperate rescue of an american

caver stuck at least 15 hours crawl into the underground bowels of southern turkey. taken ill with intestinal bleeding, mark dickey has already had six units of blood sent to him nearly 3,500down. saving him could take daves. a rescue caver himself, dickey must know the challenges of getting to the surface. >> it is complete dark in the cave except for whatever light people bring in. it's 4 to 6 degrees celsius. so that means you have to work hard to stay warm. >> reporter: he is at base camp hope. although able the walk for now, he'll need to be helped or stretchered through way points that speak for themselves. through desperado and burrowing through to mole. tested beyond the limits and into the light. >> there is a lot of water in this cave. a lot of it is dripping, but some of it is in pools that they

have to go through. some of it is just spraying off rock walls. and so the rescuers are getting fairly wet. and mark will get pretty wet also. >> reporter: 150 people from around the world are working to get dickey out of the cave to where his internal bleeding can be treated. until then, his life hangs in the balance. sam kiley, cnn, london. >> continue following that as well. still ahead, another major hurricane brewing. this one is growing stronger and faster than most. hurricane lee going from category 2 to category 4 in just a matter of a few hours.

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♪ the sign says tomorrow marks 20 years this program has been on the air. it's hard to believe and it's an honor. this week we thought we would bring you some of the remarkable moments i and the "360" team have witnessed throughout the world. we want to take you to haiti after the devastating earthquake in 2010. we were the first international journalists on the ground the morning after quake. spent more than a month

reporting there. on the third day, we came across an attempt to rescue a child trapped underneath the rubble. we want to show you the whole report from what happened. >> she believes her daughter is alive, trapped in the rubble of this daycare center. >> have you heard your daughter? >> yes, she tells us. she heard her 10-year-old daughter just this morning. she's been trying to get someone to go through the building for four days. a search and rescue team has borrowed our interpreter to call out for her daughter in french. >> we've got somebody. >> quiet! quiet! >> we hear somebody. >> believing they heard a faint cry, the firefighters insert a listening device into the rubble. he is told to tell the victim to

tap three times on whatever is nearby. [ speaking in a non-english language ] >> tap, tap, tap! >> what is your location? >> they've heard a very faint tapping sound. they think she's alive, but there's so much noise around, it's very hard to tell. now they're bringing the in one of the dogs to see if the dog will pick up the scent. >> the dog is named maverick, especially trained to pick up the smell of a living human trapped in debris. what happened with the dog? >> showing some interest but not a strong alert of a sign -- he wasn't giving that to us. >> it is possible for a living victim to be so deeply buried the dog can't smell them, so the team decides to go further in. what they're doing right now is pain stakingly difficult and dangerous. it's like moving around pieces of a jigsaw puzzle, but a jigsaw puzzle that can fall on top of

you and kill you or crush the person you're trying to save. they have to be very careful about what blocks they remove and in what order they remove them. >> we're always thinking aftershocks. that's our first concern. second is is the structure intact. >> unsure exactly which direction to dig, they once again try to get the little girl to tap. >> say something. [ speaking in a non-english language ] >> again, it seems they get a tapping response. a crowd gathers. so do others with pictures of their loved ones they believe may also be trapped inside. another dog is brought in, a border collie named hunter.

despite the silent prayers, hunter finds nothing. >> they've now been at this for about three hours. the last dog that they brought in didn't get any hits. >> reporter: but around the other side of the building, two firefighters have crawled into another small hole and are convinced they just heard something. >> what did you hear? what did you hear? >> definitely distinct -- >> distinct tapping? >> yeah. >> this is the best possible news. they've just gotten a tap, this little girl or somebody is alive down there. it's incredible. what goes through your mind when you hear that sound? >> that it's time to go to work. it's time to go to work and move to see if we can find her, do our job. >> the clock is ticking. >> the clock is ticking. >> bolt cutters and snips.

>> after seven hours on site, however, they stop hearing tapping. a third dog is brought in. two hours ago or so, when you guys heard distinctive tapping, is it possible that was just ambient noise? >> it very well could have been. >> the other possibility is that a person expires, that they tap at one point and then they're no longer able to. >> this is true. we're four days into it. without food or water. we're talking about possibly a 10-year-old girl. and there's only -- every human has their limits. >> reporter: their last hope is to lower several microphones in different parts of the building. >> they've now placed four microphones in separate locations on the ground floor in the rubble. this is a critical moment. if they hear something, they'll continue working. if they don't get any response, they're going to stop the operation. [ speaking in a non-english language ]

>> tap, tap, tap. >> reporter: in the movies, this is when a small sound would be heard, a faint tap, a child's cry. but this is haiti, and this is real. and despite their best hopes, they hear no sound of life. they break the news to ma nush ka and the others, the search is over, they tell them. there's no one left alive. she asks for one more dog search. her wish is granted. it doesn't take long. >> they are basically saying there's no hope. >> correct. at this location, there's no one in there. >> after four days of waiting, crying, and hoping, trying to get anyone to come to her aid, she refuses to believe her

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