>> may the nearly 3,000 souls who perished on that day rest in piece, and may their memories be a blessing. to our viewers, thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." "erin burnett outfront" starts "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com "outfront" next, kim jong un making his way to russia, a train resembling his bulletproof top secret caravan just spotted at the russian border. he will be meeting with vladimir putin as few as a soon hours from now. a new forecast showing lee on track to get dangerously close to the northeast. i'm going to talk to a longtime

chaser who has a stark warning tonight for those living on the entire east coast. police expanding the search for the escaped killer who managed to sneak past hundreds of officers, steal a van and alter his appearance, even showing up over the weekend at a former co-worker's house. the u.s. marshal overseeing that search is my guest tonight. let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, putin's kaflry is coming, led by kim jong un. north korea's reclusive leader is expected to arrive in just hours for a face-to-face meeting with vladimir putin in russia. a meeting that putin hopes will result in an arms deal that he badly needs to fight the war in ukraine. we've got some new video just shared by russian state television. they say that this is the train carrying kim jong un. now, it does closely resemble the slow moving train that's used by kim. this is right on the border. you can see that it's moving incredibly slowly. and, in fact, the train, as we

understand it that kim jong un travels in, is believed to move at a top speed of only 37 miles an hour, because it is so weighed down by heavy armor. the train was spotted near that north korean/russian border that you are looking at right there. we can't independently confirm the authenticity of this video, but we do know kim has used a train that looks just like that in the past. it also looks very similar to the trains used by his father and grandfather who also ruled north korea. we got a brief glimpse inside the train back in 2019 when north korean state media released this photo. you can see the dark pink chairs. according to a south korean report about the train, it has full bedrooms and an audience chamber and flat-screen tvs. kim and putin are expected to meet for the first time since this visit. this picture is 2019, before the pandemic. so this meeting now is hugely significant for both leaders.

it's going to be kim's first-known trip outside of north korea in about four years. putin and kim jong un are expected to meet in the russian city of vlodovostok, which is a little more than 80 miles from the north korean border. here's how the kremlin is describing the meeting. >> translator: like with any neighbor, we consider ourselves obligated to establish good, mutually beneficial relations. we will continue to strengthen our friendship. >> a spokesperson russian dmitry peskov for putin. >> translator: the future meeting of putin and kim makes western leaders nervous. kim hasn't done anything yet, but the west is already trembling. >> trembling, obviously a bit hyperbole. but the u.s. is deeply concerned. the white house saying today, quote, as we have warned publicly arms discussions between russia and the dprk are

expected to continue during kim jong un's trip to russia. we urge the dprk to abide by the public commitments that pyongyang has made to not provide or sell arms to russia. putin certainly has not heeded any warnings from the united states regarding the war. we have new video into "outfront" showing that that fierce fighting continues on the southern front. [ sound of gunfire ] you hear that rapid gunfire. ukraine says that the video you're looking at here shows its troops capturing a russian position. it is russian losses, of course, that have made putin so desperate and now in need of help from north korea. will ripley is "outfront." you've seen it, you've spent a lot of time in north korea as well as of course in ukraine. what is the latest you're learning tonight?

>> reporter: so this train is essentially like a slow-moving fortress. it has bulletproof windows. his isolated country that he hasn't left since the beginning of the covid-19 pandemic. the reason why he's making this trip now, he stands a lot to gain from this meeting with vladimir putin. a growing arsenal of ballistic missiles, but not a single bullet train. one of many contradictions as north korean leader kim jong un slowly rolls towards russia in soviet-era armored train cars painted green. with glistening white interiors, gourmet meals, and live music like the north korean luxury train road in 2018, windows are boarded shut to block our view of the destitute countryside. kim has made this journey before to the russian city of vladivostok. but this meeting could have huge

ramifications. kim is expected to meet with russian president vladimir putin. like kim, a global pariah, and now potential partner. u.s. officials warned last week of possible arms negotiations. putin desperately needs weapons and ammunition to fight his war in ukraine. north korea is sitting on a huge stockpile. what could kim get in return? money and missile technology so he can bypass sanctions to build more nuclear-kabl ballistic missiles. moscow has a huge arsenal and decades of knowhow. in july kim hosted the russian defense minister in pyongyang, showing off his latest icbms and drones which bear striking resemblance to u.s. military models. south korea's spy agency warned last month of growing military cooperation, warning of the possible transfer of russia's core, nuclear, and missile technology to north korea. analysts fear a potential return

to cold war politics, a partnership giving putin more fire power and kim more nuclear power. two rogue nations potentially teaming up to take on the free world. this would have been unthinkable just a few years ago, for vladimir putin to invite kim jong un and the two of them stand shoulder to shoulder, north korea bringing to the table something that vladimir putin desperately needs, and putin returning with valuable information that will help north korea grow its already fast-growing nuclear program, making it a very big challenge, a dire threat to the west, and particularly the united states. erin? >> will, thank you very much from taipei tonight. i want to go now to former pyongyang bureau chief for the associated press, along with former commanding general for europe and the seventh army. so thanks very much to both of you. general, let me start with you. it's an unprecedented moment, an

important moment. how much military aid can north korea actually supply russia, and is there a way for you to try to gauge what it would mean for the ukraine war? >> they can contribute quite a bit, erin. but mostly in terms of ammunition. they had the same kind of ammunition that putin has been using, especially in the artillery realm. that's what putin needs in this stage of the war. it has been an artillery dual from the very beginning. he is running out of the kind of conventional munitions that he needs. none of these munitions would be precision guided like some of the himars that we have provided ukraine. area fire weapons, kim has a lot of them, but he doesn't have the kind of equipment to fire those kind of missiles or artillery pieces or the kind of army that you would need. his army is fourth rate, a much further behind russia, not as

good. but he can certainly provide a base of support in terms of conventional munitions. >> and, as you point out, those are crucial. and right now it has been sort of a duel of who can get more of that ammo. in that case, very significant. jean, you shared with us some photos that you took inside one of kim jong un's special trains. so, now that we understand -- and it is sort of neat to watch that train going -- what russian state television say is kim jong un's train going into russia. what can you tell us about it, having seen the trains up close yourself, and how important a train actually is to kim? >> they're a lot more luxurious than the average train in north korea. and they are outfitted -- the trains that the leaders have ridden, and i've seen not only one of these special trains but also the trains that the late leader kim jung il and kim il

sung rode. they had full offices, they were moving apartments. they were moving palaces. and one thing that you realize when you're in north korea and you are taken to see these trains is how important the train is in the mythology of the north korean leadership of the kim family. and, so, when you wrap your head around why is he traveling by train, well, kill jung il was notoriously terrified of flying so they embraced the train as his mode of transit. i think aside from the security, there's a lot of tradition and mythology that comes with traveling by train. >> and the fact that it's being broadcast, general, so openly, shows that this is, you know, this is propaganda and he needs it. well, what does he need, will was reporting nuclear technology that could be transformative. north korea tested a new icbm back in april. they say it's the most powerful missile yet. we saw the russian defense

mi minister shoigu going to see it. the center for strategic and international studies conclusion on this. so, could putin truly help kim at this point, general, on the nuclear front? >> absolutely, on the nuclear and the rocket front, erin. as we watched over the last two decades, kim has attempted to build a rocket force, a ballistic and nuclear force because truthfully he's spending all of his money in that arm of defense. his standing army, his air force is not very good. so he will use these weapons as terra weapons. but he hasn't had the capability yet to match the rockets with the nuclear weapons. that's critical. he throws off a missile every once in a while over the sea of japan or over the continental

landmass of japan and it's impressive. but he has still had difficulties in terms of mastering the techniques you used for ballistic missile weaponry. he wants to go further and have a match between a nuclear weapon, a missile and, in some cases, a submarine. so these are the kind of things that russia can certainly help with, because the russian government has a great nuclear force. >> and obviously this meeting happening right on the far east of russia. how important is this meeting for kim? >> this is another coming-out moment for him. he has been locked in self-imposed isolation for more than four years. he did use the covid pandemic as an opportunity to seal the border. but i think the withdrawal came before that, with the breakdown of nuclear negotiations with the united states. he wanted to retreat, recalibrate, come up with a new strategy, and reshape the narrative, get his arsenal to a stronger position.

and now he is ready to re-emerge. and putin has provided him with this stage for propaganda that will help him not only send a message to his foes but also to his people saying it's been four years, we made a lot of sacrifices but russia hasn't forgotten about us, look how important i am. >> we're going to see what we find out about that deal, but we do know there will be one. thank you both very much. and, next, former president trump now asking the judge overseeing his 2020 federal election case to recuse herself. how come? plus, heartbreaking new images as rescue crews reach the remote villages that were hit the most by the moroccan earthquake. we will be live on the ground in morocco. and one republican proposing an unlikely alliance to take down his leader in the house, speaker kevin mccarthy.

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judge has made about january 6th, including that the riot errors were there, quote, in loyalty to one man. trump warning, quote, the public will reasonably and understandly question whether judge chutkan arrived at her decisions impartially. now, we also have a new filing from trump in fulton county, georgia, where he is now asking a court to dismiss several criminal charges against him. fani willis wants to try all 19 defendants next month. now we have -- who testified in the fulton county case. this is his first interview since trump was indicted. if she would call 150-odd witnesses and you'll be one of those as well. the special grand jury's vote was not unanimous. the newly released report shows that there was one no-vote and 20 yes-votes. you were in the room, you testified in front of your

peers, fulton county residents. did you sense any doubt as you took their questions? >> um, well, thanks, erin. i just want to acknowledge that today is 9/11. and my heart and prayers go out to everybody including first responders. when i was in that room, i took the responsibility seriously. and there were some people who had some deeper questions surrounding the potential of the stop the steal questions. that 20-1 vote, there were also counts that were 9-9 that didn't move forward with d.a. willis' final indictment. >> on that front, if it was indeed the same person who voted no on so many of the actual recommendations for charges, and then you mentioned some of the charges were split 9-9. the burden of proof in the special grand jury was quite

low. the burden of proof at a jury trial will be higher than it was in front of the grand jury. and you know the county well. what's the chance here of a hung jury or of an acquittal when you get actually in front of a jury? >> well, i'm not a lawyer, i'm not a judge, in this case i'm not a juror. i may likely be a witness. but juries do things. that's our system that we have. you go before a jury of your peers to make these kinds of decisions. and i think, generally speaking, juries have historically pretty much done the right thing given the evidence they have. but my fear of this from the beginning and the indictments especially of bragg in new york is anything that's brought forward, if it's a hung jury or he's found innocent, will be viewed as a complete vindication, i did everything perfectly right. i don't think that's really the case. but our system isn't really designed to deal with some of these things in this kind of

way. >> right. and now the whole country is looking at whatever -- however many juries there are, however many of these things go to trial before the election, as determining what really happened. it's a precarious situation to be in. and on that front, i want to ask you about the movement that has been gaining steam, which is a movement to try to remove trump from balance citing the fourteenth amendment. it's interesting i spoke to professor laurence tribe about this, he supports it. and specifically i asked him about people who say, look,. when are you trying to do this, why are you trying to take him off the ballot? leave it up to the voters. and he said you got to respect the constitution, it's that simple. here's his argument. >> suppose bill clinton or barack obama or george w. bush

wanted to run and people supported them. they would not be able to run because they're not eligible under the 22nd amendment. suppose a 30-year-old, wonderful charismatic character wanted to run. would it be undemocratic to keep them off the ballot? democracy is defined partly by the rule of law. >> it's an interesting point. he's saying you're not just going to say because everybody likes this person, we're going to allow him to run. he's saying you can't allow someone who incited a rebellion or an insurrection to run, it's in the constitution. does he have a point? >> well, i mean, the inverse of that argument, if a lot of people don't like him, you can't just keep him off the ballot. who decides at the end of the day, if somebody's 30 years old, i can look at their birth certificate. you've been elected twice, can't be on the ballot. who's deciding this? because right now some people

are saying any individual election official can say i have decided he committed insurrection. and this is from section 3 of the fourteenth amendment. section one also has to do with due process at the state level. they're asking state officials to make these decisions. there are processes in every state to look at this. if they go and they decide that they're going to try to get somebody off of the ballot, you think that if people were angry at january 6th, this will give them a whole new set of grievances because at this point they will say the system is rigged and he was right all along. >> thank you, gabe. i appreciate it. i'm glad to talk to you. >> thanks, have a great day. next, hurricane lee getting bigger tonight. the latest forecast showing it coming dangerously close to the u.s. and the northeast. i'm going to talk to a longtime storm chaser who has a warning for those on the east coast. plus, searching for a miracle. crews raising to try and find people still alive after the devastating earthquake flattened entire villages and towns.

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tonight, two major stories we're following at this hour. hurricane lee growing in size as it heads towards the northeast u.s. also in morocco, the intense search for survivors. rescue crews are just reaching some of the remote areas hit the hardest by that devastating earthquake. it's just complete and utter devastation. the death toll rising to more than 2,800 people tonight.

>> reporter: stone by stone, hour by hour, the desperate search for survivors pushes on. the silence in this remote mountainous village punctured only by the wails of those who survived, now left to mourn. for the rescue team here, this really is a race against time. there is a woman and her 12-year-old daughter buried beneath the rubble. and for their family waiting anxiously for news of whether they have survived friday's earthquake, they are quickly losing hope. this person has already buried 19 members of her family. now, she fears she will soon have to bury her niece. >> translator: on saturday morning, we could still hear her voice. she was alive, now we can't hear her. they took too long to get here. until now we've been digging through the rubble with our bare hands. if help had arrived sooner, we

could have rescued them in time. the village was among the hardest hit by the earthquake. the deadliest morocco has suffered in decades. but three days on, rescue teams have only just arrived. the high mountainous range simply too remote. the roads, up until now, obstructed by the debris from the quake. with time running out, rescuers say this has now become a recovery operation. >> i think they are working very hard, but, till now, they don't need a dog. so they confirm all the victims in this rubble has already passed away. >> reporter: few lives in this close-knit community have been untouched by death. each body recovered a gut-wrenching reminder of the climbing death toll already in the thousands. it's unclear just how many in

this village are still missing. but for those buried beneath the rubble, rescuers fear it is already too late. look, erin, this is just one of dozens of remote villages across the foothills of the atlas mountains that have been completely devastated by friday's earthquake. the government has vowed to provide compensation for those that have lost their homes. but for the many families, the countless families who have lost loved ones, who still have family members beneath the rubble, many still asking why the response has been so slow. erin? >> thank you very much in marrakech tonight. and also this evening, hurricane lee moving across the atlantic swinging sharply to the right, expected to move north. at this hour lee is about 380 miles north of the leeward island. there is a growing risk that it will hit the east coast. maine and massachusetts are now

included in the northwestern edge of the forecast cone. hurricane trackers are emphasizing lee remains a major hurricane tonight, right now a category 3, expected to gain strength, and also expected to significantly increase in size. this all coming after lee already intensified once to a category 5, one of the fastest recorded rates in history. "outfront" now, longtime florida storm chaser mike boylan, also runs mike's weather page that, popular hurricane tracker website. you and i spoke about this the other day, exufb been warning how badly this could hit the east coast. what are you seeing tonight? >> you're right. it's getting stronger tonight, and it's going to make that turn northward. and it's going to be growing in size. what i'm worried about is it's going to lose some strength. we're going to hear "downgraded" a lot. i always hate that because people don't take it as serious.

the system's going to be expanding a lot and it's going to be entering an area in the gulf of maine, there hasn't been a lot of storms up there. some of the wave maps is 20, 30-foot seas and still low pressure, which means wind. so the fact that it's a wide-ranging storm, i'm worried, even if it's not a direct landfall, it's going to impact a lot of folks. and that means power outages inland as the winds are going to go way past the coast. they've already had a lot of rain up there and they're getting it right now. and it doesn't take a lot for winds and trees to start toppling and we get power outages. storms get downgraded and everybody just stops watching them, and then they end up -- >> you think about sandy when it hit the mid-atlantic. that was a category 2 when it hit. it was massive, they call it a superstorm for a reason. there's power and there's size. so you're saying even if something is not technically on a map looking like it's hitting,

you could see wide-ranging repercussions on other areas of the east coast? >> we saw it with irma down here in florida. a large system can have far-reaching effects. we're turning into that little area, the gulf of maine. there hasn't really been a lot of storms up there. i have a feeling there's going to be a lot of coastal impacts that are going to be on the news. we have a new moon coming out on the 15th so that gets added to the surge levels. so it will weaken, there is cooler water. but my biggest question is it's going to be going at a pretty good forward speed it. >> might not weaken that fast. and the wrong message might be that it's going to weaken. that's what happened with ian. people thought it was going to weaken on the panhandle. it turned and it was still strong. it's a serious storm and i think there's going to be a lot of people caught off guard. >> there are reports that noaa, air force reserve hurricane

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tonight, backed in a corner. the house speaker kevin mccarthy facing mounting pressure from his own party on two major issues. the first is really basic, just reaching a deal to have the government stay open, to avoid a shutdown in 19 days.

the far right insisting on deep spending cuts to ukraine aid and domestic programs. the shutdown appears to be no problem for some. >> i can't just sit here and rubber-stamp the status quo. we are heading into a shutdown october 1st if you guys don't stand up and fight. >> i think it's a legitimate portion of the negotiation around debt. >> to try to get as much good policy made through this process as possible. >> the second issue facing mccarthy is whether to call for impeachment hearings against biden. matt gaetz says he would work with democrats to boot mccarthy if he doesn't do, tweeting congressman eric swalwell, how many democrat votes can i count on. "outfront" now, the democratic senator from west virginia, joe manchin. you just heard two of your colleagues. they are not ruling out a shutdown. we are reporting tonight that speaker mccarthy and the senate majority leader schumer have not

had direct talks about a government funding deal. just checking again here, since july. here we are in the middle of september. do you have any confidence there will be a deal? >> well, first of all, no one should be talking about a shutdown because it's the average person out there trying to make it day to day who gets hurt the worst and that shouldn't happen. our purpose is not to fight and bicker and try to blame each other. we had a fiscal responsibility act that both the house and the senate approved three months ago. that was after the president, biden, and kevin mccarthy sat down and came to an agreement and we voted on it. and, back then, 314 members of the house voted in favor to approve it. and that's with almost a 50/50 split. in the senate, 63 senators voted to approve it. and that's with 17 republicans. and now you have people saying, well, that's too much, we're going to cut it back to the 2022 level. that wasn't what the deal was. and we have on the senate side,

wanting to spend more with certain side deals and an extra $14 billion. that wasn't in the deal either. so can't we just get back to the deal that we had and vote it up or down any way you want to vote. we didn't get everybody there last time, we sure got enough to pass it, and i think it'll pass again. >> certainly everyone in this country should hope that a deal does pass. the white house tonight, senator, threatened to veto a plan from the house gop that the white house says would cut defense spending, education spending, healthcare, clean energy programs. but, look, the reality, of course, senator, is that the united states is nearly $33 trillion in debt. it's going up by tens of billions of dollars a day. as you point out, often the government spent more money than it has taken in every single year since the year 2001. is there any way out of this if president biden does not agree to spending cuts? >> well, they've already made that deal. now, if they're not going to honor the deal, then that deal

is not accurate so we'll go back to the table. if they want to fight for the deal they have, then fight for that deal. you already had a vote, a positive vote. why they want to reinvent the wheel, i don't know. i assure the people who voted against it three months ago, they're probably going to be against it no matter what you do. the bottom line is we are starting to cap our spending. we've got to. 21 years in a row, erin, that we've spent more money than we've taken in. there is not a person listening and watching us tonight that can live that way. they can't go 21 months. some people can't go 21 days. you cannot continue to spend your way out of indebtedness. you can't do it. so we've got to make some tough choices. it's not going to be quickly overnight. it can be gradual, but it has to be done. but you can't be throwing more fuel on the fire, and that's what they're doing. >> you have not ruled out running as a third-party candidate for president in 2024.

the latest cnn poll shows 67% of democratic voters do not want president biden to be the democratic nominee in 2024. those numbers are pretty stunning. and 76% of all voters have serious concerns that president biden who is already 80, whether he would be able to serve another four years as president. i know you saw the poll, you hear this from your constituents as well. even if it's not you, and obviously you've considered it -- you are considering it. even if it's not you, does someone else in the democratic party, does someone else need to jump in the race? >> i'm not going to speak for anybody else. bottom line is, is i understand the party system's the way it works. and with that on both sides, on president trump, former president trump, there's 60% of republicans who don't want to see a repeat. people are tired and wore out. this is not normal. we did not become the country we are with this type of activity that you have between two major parties. and if it's going to take

another movement to shake people back to reality, this is not how people live their lives. this is not what they expect. we have one purpose and that's to keep our country united. and that's the american way. it's not the democrat or republican way. basically, their two purposes are to find the pathway forward, not to just basically antagonize or villainize the other side. i'm sick and tired of it. americans are sick and tired of it. and we see what happens. >> the governor of north carolina said in july, we will present a president and vice president candidate on a no-labels ticket, the no-labels group, if biden and trump are on track to win their parties' nominations. when will you make a final decision? do you still think if you were to make a decision to jump in, that you still have time? >> well, first of all, my state of west virginia, the filing dates don't even start until january of next year. so there's no urgency for me.

and, as you know, the democrats aren't as strong with the power that they had many years ago. so it's a whole different scenario in the state of west virginia. but i just -- i've got so much to do in front of me right now to get done, and to prevent bad things from happening. once you become an announced candidate for anything, you become a target. i might be a suspected target now on so many different arenas. but still i have the ability to sit down with my democrat and republican friends and not be a threat to either one of them. we need people that can bring people together and work together and find a common cause. we've got a lot of challenges. but the bottom line is for the united states to be the super power of the world and the beacon of hope, you've got to show leadership and you've got to bring it together. i can't just continue to start talking and point fingers and blaming everybody else. people want us to work together. they want us to be the united states and quit being the

divided states. i don't like listening it any more than you have to report it. >> that's for sure. you could run for re-election in the senate. the "new york times" this weekend reported that you could choose to do something totally different at this point in your life. you could run west virginia university, your ala matter. is that a possibility? do you truly have all these things on the table? >> i'm a proud alumni of wvu. i would do anything i could to help their president and this administration be as successful as they can. and i'm there to help. i've always been there to assist and help and i'll be with them. on all the other things, i want to be a voice. i want to be a voice to the middle. i think anyone who looks at my record and says joe manchin has always voted in the center. i am fiscally responsible and socially compassionate. i think most americans are that way. and all of this has got to be

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he also managed to steal this delivery van. police say he was caught on a doorbell camera more than 20 miles away from the original search parameter. now his sister is in the custody of i.c.e., facing deportation, after she failed to cooperate with the investigation and is suspected of trying to help him. "out front," robert clark. deputy clark, i very much appreciate your time. 12 days in here, in some sense is incredible that he has been able to evade capture this long. do you have any idea where he may be tonight? >> good evening, erin. at this point, we're still investigating the area where that van was left in east mill township. we have no reason to believe he's left pennsylvania. and until he gives us some evidence or we obtain evidence that he's left pennsylvania, we're going to continue to look in that area where that van was left. so, right now we have investigators following up every

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