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these lights in manhattan you see on your screen, there's two of them side by side, every year on this day, from where the twin towers once stood. in the aftermath of the attacks, as horrible as they were, this nation did come together. there was a time in october of 2001 when 60% of americans said they could trust the government. george w. bush had approval ratings north of 85%, numbers that now would be simply impossible for any leader. president biden, tonight, in alaska, addressing the divide in this country. >> we must not succumb to the poisonous politics of difference and division, must never allow ourselves to be pulled apart by petty manufactured grievances, and must continue to stand united. >> thanks so much for joining us. us. "ac 360" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com tonight on "360," breaking
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news, new push by the former president to get the judge in his january 6th trial off the case and his warning that the public won't accept the outcome otherwise. also a search for survivors on the heels of one natural disaster, an earthquake in morocco, and tracking a potential another, hurricane lee heading toward the east coast. how has an escaped killer managed to elude capture for so long. the former president calling on judge tanya chutkan to recuse herself from his case. his attorneys saying, only if this trial is administered by a judge that appears entirely impartial could the public accept the case. trump and his attorneys have just filed a motion to have the entire indictment thrown out. paula reid joins us now with more on that. let's talk about the judge in the federal case first to recuse herself. >> anderson, judge tanya chutkan
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was randomly koez hadden to oversee the case. she's made her opinions and her views on the capitol attack pretty clear, as she's overseen multiple trials of rioters. and she has also really earned a reputation for being pretty harsh when it comes to sentencing. but in this filing, trump's lawyers argue that certain comments that she made during some of those sentencings mean that she needs to step aside. the first one they point to is from october 2022, where she said, quote, the people who mobbed that capitol where there in fealty, in loyalty to one man, not to the constitution. it's a blind litoyalty to one person, who, by the way, remains free to this. the lawyers argue she's saying trump should not be free. quote, the issue who has or has not been charged is not before me. i don't have any influence on that. i have my opinions, but they are
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not relevant. trump's lawyers argue that comments like this leave little doubt that she is prejudice against the former president and should recuse herself. now, we have a high bar here, anderson. they filed this before judge chutkan, and he's already said today that she would like the justice department to weigh in by thursday. >> the former president is also making a request in the georgia case. >> yeah, it's really interesting. instead of filing his own original objections, he's piggybacking and joining objections that have been filed by rudy giuliani and attorney kenneth chesebro. this is the first time he and his attorneys have tried to attack the legal case in georgia, asking the state court to dismiss many of the charges. what's a little unusual about that, anderson, is the former president has signalled he's going to try to move the whole case to federal court. so, this could be a sign he may not follow through with that, especially because we saw late friday where his former white house chief of staff mark meadows, who everyone thought had the best chance of getting
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his case removed to federal court, that was rejected by a federal judge. though, he is appealing. joining us now, nancy gertner, and deputy director andrew mccabe. judge gertner, what's your reaction to the recusal request for judge chutkan? >> it's not surprising, but as paula said, it's not likely to succeed. the judge will make her own decision. and then the -- certainly trump could appeal. but every judge who has sentenced any of the january 6th demonstrators had to make a relative determination. where is this person relative to higher ups who may or may not be before me? where is this person relative to the nature of the crime? was this just, you know, a demonstration or was this essentially an attempted coup? i'm not certain that her remarks are any different than the remarks of any other district court, district of columbia court judge, republican or democrat, who's had to deal with these cases. >> andrew, as you noted earlier,
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the former president says, only if the trial is administered by a judge who appears entirely impartial could the public accept the kwoutcome as justice. is that a threat? >> anderson, i think at minimum it's a bit rich for the defendant, who has made, you know, a career out of attacking the justice system and trying to undermine the institutions that we rely on, criminal justice, to claim that the public won't accept something. i mean, he's basically been the biggest mover behind the pubic will's non-acceptance of the criminal justice system. but nevertheless, of course, is it an implicit threat? is it a signal? it's all those things to his supporters and to his base. and it's a -- it's clearly, kind of, raising the stakes to the judge in an effort to put more pressure on her decision. i don't think it's going to have any positive effect whatsoever. i agree with judge gertner that this motion is likely to go
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nowhere. >> judge gertner, how often do judges actually grant motions to recuse themselves? >> it's not often. and particularly not when it is saying that a comment that you made in a court proceeding somehow casts doubt on whether or not you can be fair in this case. let me say that, to some degree, trump's comments about, you know, whether or not the public will accept this verdict if it stays before judge chutkan is, to some degree -- there's an innocuous spin on that, which is the standard here is the appearance of impartiality. and to some degree, it's saying, will the public accept something from a judge that we think is biased? but, as i said before, i don't think that judge chutkan said anything different than any other judge in any of the other cases. >> yeah. andrew, i mean, as paula reid reported, the former president also asked a georgia court to dismiss several state level charges against him.
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how common is that? is there any reason to think he would be successful? >> very little reason to think he'd be successful. it's pretty common for criminal defendants to make motions to dismiss the cases against him, either at the beginning of the proceeding, the beginning of a trial, or maybe at the end of the prosecution's case. those motions rarely are successful, but they have the effect of essentially putting the claim on the record. and then, you know, you have the opportunity to use it later as the grounds for an appeal. i think in this case it's , you know, it's highly unlikely they would be able to compel any judge to dismiss it against these defendants. >> andrew, do you think -- the former president's legal team has ind kapted in court filings previously that they might ask to move the case to federal court. obviously the issue is very different. do you think the former president would fare better? do you think he would get it moved to federal court? >> i don't think so, anderson. it has always been my opinion
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that meadows had the best chance of trying to remove the case to federal court. he's the one who is clearly an employee of the federal government, working to some extent within the scope of his positions. there's all sorts of other issues with the former president. there's a constitutional question as to whether the president actually qualifies as an officer of government, of the executive branch for the purpose of this law. so, i think he's got a tougher argument to make, and we've already seen meadows fail in that effort. >> judge, do you agree with that? >> i agree. i don't think that -- i think that the decision that the judge made in the meadows case would pretty much cover trump as well, which is that whatever was done here was done as part of a campaign, not as part of the executive branch and was arguably, you know, done for the purposes of, you know, preventing the peaceful transfer of power. let me just say one other thing about recusal. put this also in the context of the discussions we've had about
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justice thomas, who didn't recuse himself when his wife participated in the january 6th insurrection. so, it seems to me the recusal standard has to be equally applied across the board. >> judge gertner, thank you. andrew mccabe has well. more now on georgia, the former president's effort to get the case quashed, and to andrew's point about attacking the justice system, he's certainly done this concerning prosecutor fani willis. >> they say there's a young woman, a young racist in atlanta. she's a racist. right here in georgia, you have a lunatic marxist district attorney. >> also today on his social network he quoted, are the criminal cases against trump unconstitutional. this follows by several days' efforts in colorado to find a constitutional way to keep the former president off the ballot. joining us with views on that and connections as well, brad raffensperger who are testified before the trump grand jury. mr. secretary, appreciate it you
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being with us. what is your reaction to the former president trying to get system of the georgia state charges thrown out? do you think he'll have success with that? >> well, good evening, anderson. i'm not an attorney. in fact, i'm right now focused on securing elections and empowering job creators and preparing our team for next year's elections. we're not focused on grievances of the past. >> when you got the call from the former president, meaark meadows actually set up that call, did it seem weird to you at the time that the chief of staff of the president was doing this, what was a political act? >> well, that was the third time he had reached out, and he mentioned that he wanted to have a call. the president wanted to have a call with myself. so, we had that call, and i explained the facts of the election of 2020 and just really refuted all the allegations that were made. and, you know, that was two and
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a half years ago. we're focused on the future, and obviously some people are still living in the past. >> you did testify, so you are living in the present as well in that. it's not that much in the future -- in the past. you did testify about this in the meadows case now. >> mm-hmm. yeah. i testified, and i will continue to follow the law and follow the constitution. and when compelled, i will provide, you know, the testimony and the facts of what happened in 2020. >> you know -- you've spoken about the effort by some to use the 14th amendment, subsection of it, to prevent the president from getting on the ballot. do you think that's something that you would support in georgia? >> i've been very clear about that. i think that's misguided. these bad actors have been trying to sue their way with their failing candidates and lawyers have been trying to sue their way to success through the courts government back to stacey abrams after 2018.
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she lost. claimed election mismanagement. looked at 2020. mr. trump also filed lawsuits. none of it ever succeeded. what it really did is it created polarization, desengs. but eventually we won those cases. we'll continue to ensure voters in georgia understand that this is really critical. they will be the ones making the decision. the voters need to make the decision on who wins the election in jor r jo. >> secretary raffensperger, i have to take a quick break. we'll talk to you after the break. also more on the escaped killer who has been spotted several times, just not by police when it counts. (ella) fashion moves fast. setting trends is our business. we need to scale with customer demand... ...in real time. (jen) so we partner witherizon to take our operations to the . (marquis) with a custom prate 5g network.
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office. there's a piece nt atlantic that judge luttig co-authored. it excludes any person who has taken an oath to support and defend our constitution and thereafter rebels against that charter through overt insurrection or by giving aid or comfort to the constitution's enemies. what do you make -- i know you've said you don't agree with that. is it that you don't agree he was a secessionist or that he gave aid and comfort to enemies, or you just don't think the judicial process on this, a constitutional challenge, is appropriate, given that he's running for president? >> well, in georgia, there's a process that people want to push and try and keep him off the ballots. in fact, they tried to do that with congressman marjorie taylor greene, and they were unsuccessful. but what i've said is the people need to decide these issues. when you start removing people off the ballots and the people don't get a chance to vote, it
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looks like you're tilting the field against them. i think that's why we have an awful lot of angst and anger on both sides of the aisle right now. people feel like they're not being heard and feel like the system is rigged against them. i think it's not to let people have that vote taken away from them is really un-american. you think about 1776 and you think about today, 9/11, remembering the sacrifice that people had, over 3,000 people were killed, and then, you know, what that led to. the people that we're fighting against, they didn't believe in the rule of law. they didn't believe in the power of people voting. in america, american citizens make the decisions. they get to choose their next elected leaders. and i have faith in the american electorate. i have faith in my georgia voters. >> i talked to professor lawrence tribe. he's liberal but he and judge luttig are working together on this. his argument to that is, well, yes, the rule of law does matter and the constitution matters a lot. and even if it's inconvenient,
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even it is uncomfortable, given that there is a presidential race going on, that the constitution is more important than the discomfort of people to not have to be able to vote for the person they want if that person has violated the constitution. >> well, i understand those legal arguments, and you get two lawyers together you get two different, maybe even three different opinions. at the end of the day, we have a process in georgia. and at the end of the day i'm standing up for georgia voters so georgia voters have the opportunity to decide who they want to be their choice, who wins the presidential primary and who wins in november 2024. let the people decide. i have great faith in the american voter. i have great faith in georgia voters. look at governor kemp and i. we won with landslide victories. i think people are looking for someone that's aspirational, positive.
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they're not looking for someone that lives in the past, that's running around with a retribution tour. so, i think at the end of the day, have faith in the american people. >> if the american people in the republican party vote for the former president as the republican nominee, would you support him? >> well, as secretary of state, i've been very clear i don't endorse candidates. but i have been also very clear that what i'm looking for, just like that young singer that, kind of, set the world on fire. he was born and wrote "rich men north of richmond." he said he was born in 1993 and said he's never had a great aspirational president since 1993. i'm looking for the next reagan and on the other side, they're looking for something different. i hope we find that aspirational leader and i think it's conservative leadership. i think that's how we win races, someone who casts a positive vision, talking about pocketbook issues. how do you improve the average life of the average working american so they have a better
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life and better future? >> given you were talking about the next election, and i want to talk about that. given what happened in 2020, are there safeguards you can put into place in georgia? >> well, we're really fortunate that no matter how you vote in georgia now, we've secured the vote, that we have photo i.d. for all forms of voting. secure the vote with early voting. just like in-person voting. we have 60 to 65% vote early. no matter how you vote, it's photo i.d. based, and i think that's good. georgia right now is the cleanest voter rules in the entire nation. when people move away, we follow them and track them so we can remove them objectively. we make sure we have plenty of opportunities to vote. it's never been easier to vote in georgia, and we're recognized as one of the top states in the country for election security, accessibility, and fair and
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we're following several developments tonight in the hunt for the escaped pennsylvania inmate. police are now in day 12 of the search for the convicted killer. they've been forced to change directions after he was able to get past their search perimeters. we'll have more on the difficulties police have having. first, brian todd has the latest on the hunt. >> reporter: a turn of events in the massive manhunt for convicted killer danelo cavalcante, none of them positive for law enforcement or the community. >> now we're going to prepare for the long game. this is a manhunt. it's a longer fujive investigation with more resources. >> reporter: they believe cavalcante remains in pennsylvania. he managed to steal a dairy truck and change his appearance over the weekend, leading police to believe there's no longer a
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defined search area. >> i have not formed a similar border, a physical presence to contain an area. >> reporter: the search for cavalcante is further north. he was spotted more than 40 miles from the chester county prison. police say he slipped through a tightly guarded perimeter. >> i am aware of the weaknesses. there's a massive tunnel system. there's a lot of ravines. it's very, very thick vegetation there. >> reporter: cavalcante stole a white ford van from a dairy farm saturday evening, which he later ditched behind a barn after it ran out of gas. >> we just are have to be aware of it. i know the authorities are in the area. we just have to be on our toes. he has to know that for his actions, there's always a consequence. and he needs to, you know, face his consequences. >> reporter: cavalcante managed to steal a bright green hoodie for the dairy farm, along with a clean shaven face.
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a former work associate provided these images of the 34-year-old to police. he hadn't spoken to cavalcante in years. >> the fact he has reached out to people with a very distant past connection tells me he doesn't have a great network of support. >> reporter: police say cavalcante attempted to meet with two former work associates on saturday night, one in the east pikeland area of chester county around 9:52 p.m., and another in the area of phoenixville at 10:07 p.m. cavalcante's former roommate spoke to wpbi, saying he has been trying to assist authorities since cavalcante's crab walking escape from prison. >> i'm here to see if they need my help, just to see he's found. i can talk in portuguese with him so he can surrender. >> reporter: franko did not give his last name but did release this security camera footage saying it shows the day cavalcante moved out of their apartment in the area in 2021.
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franko saying it was the day before cavalcante killed his former girlfriend. >> i can't sleep. i can't lead my normal life. he has to pay for what he did. >> reporter: police now say they have detained danelo cavalcante's sister, eleni cavalcante, and are getting ready to deport her. police say she has chosen not to cooperate with them, and because she has overstayed her visa, there's no value in law enforcement keeping her in the country longer. >> joining me now, john miller, former nypd deputy commissioner. so, the police are saying that this is a good thing he's in an urban area. why would that be? >> i mean, they have been chasing him in the woods for 12 days. he's managed to hide there by day and then move around with the cover of darkness by night. but by stealing that truck, that gave him mobility. it also put him around
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phoenixville, where he has friends, family, maybe access to some assistance. but it also takes the u.s. marshals and the pennsylvania state police and the county authorities into a much more urban/suburban-like environment. people walking on the street. >> more cameras around. >> more cameras around. more people who are able to see something and say something. and for police to get there more quickly. remember the alternative, anderson is, you know, they're using thermal imagining drones and helicopters at night and seeing heat signals move through a wooded area. to penetrate that far in and find out it's a deer or something else, this is going to be within their comfort zone more than where they were before. >> interesting he's reaching out to, you know, former coworkers who he hadn't seen in a long time and now police have detained his sister and are going to deport her. >> he has to calculate that the police and marshals are probably all over my family in terms of
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surveillance or up on their phones or otherwise. so, he's trying to think of, who do i know that they -- that's far enough in my past that they don't know i know. reaching out to acquaintances from years ago and having to reintroduce himself shows a sign that either his network has rejected him or he's afraid to go near it. >> the longer he's out there, to whose advantage is that? >> he's under the gun every day. you know, the marshals, the state police, the county, they can throw more personnel at this -- >> everyone ultimately gets caught, don't they? pretty much? >> everyone gets caught. and we know that because, you know, mike berman went on the run, former military, survivalist training, ten days he lasted. eric -- lasted 48 days in a massive manhunt a couple of years ago in pennsylvania in a rural area. ended in a big shootout. eric rudolph, the olympic park
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bomber, went into the national forest and hid out five years. but they still caught him. you can run but you can't hide. >> the fact that he was able to, kind of, clean up and figure out how to steal a vehicle, what does it say about his skill set? >> he is exceeding expectations. most people who escape from prison are recovered within 24 hours and within two miles of where they escaped from. ten days into this, being able to commit probably multiple burglaries, steal a car, change outfits, cut his hair, shave his beard, he's giving authorities a run for the money. i think he's exceeded their expectations too. >> john miller, appreciate it. thank you very much. next, destruction in morocco after one of the worst earthquakes they've seen in generation. a live report on the scene. also the latest on where hurricane lee could go, now a category 3 storm heading north. guys, c'mon!
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mountains friday night. this is what it looked like in marrakech. the video has no sound. it shows, however, in a developed area, distance from the epicenter, speaks loudly about how much worse it was a short distance away. rescuers in one of the hard-hit areas pulling a survivor from inside a flattened building. there are so few scenes like this. it's set against the -- 3,000 people have lost their lives. cnn's sam kiley is in the hardest-hit area, joins us now. sam, what was it like today? >> reporter: well, anderson, i mean, today, i think, was an extraordinary day for us in that we started the day here, where there is military camp to treat people who have been injured in this earthquake. it's a very efficient military camp, not very far into the
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atlas mountains you mentioned, there are villages that have been completely obliterated and are getting no help. this is what one looked like. >> 21 died here. >> 21? >> yeah. >> reporter: mohommad is a law student and he grew up here. >> you know the people who died? >> everyone here. it's not a big village. everyone know each other here. >> it must break your heart. >> it's so bad. you see these people here that this house, two or three person here is dead. and this house, we have one house there, one house there. all the family is dead. so, it's -- i don't know. i don't know what to say. ee
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it's a bad night. >> a very bad night. >> yeah. >> staggering. >> reporter: this is what remains of 120 homes. mohommad knows every house that was and who died in them. >> this house destroyed one family, all the family dead. >> in this? this one in front. >> yeah. next one. >> how many people in that? >> four. >> four? >> and only one person alive, one child. >> reporter: last friday's quake took more than 2,800 lives, and the numbers climb. isolated villages like this giving up their grim tolls slowly. mohommad explained that his neighbors fought for every penny they earned as farmers in the h harsh landscape. they fought to educate people like him. >> people not ready for this, just normal people here. >> aid and rescue is getting to
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places like this. but many others have yet to be discovered. mohommad fears that many more dead and injured are lying under villages like this, cut off from help. but the community is staying on. village life reduced to a shared tent for 24 families. this is the community kitchen. >> mothers of this village, what do you want from your government? >> translator: we need homes. that's a cry that's only going to get louder here. >> so, where do rescue and recovery efforts stand right now? >> reporter: well, the main effort for the government perspective -- and they have just reached the epicenter today to a village, which they had only been able to reach by air -- is focused by using helicopters predominantly to try to establish in these far flung villages what the needs are and how to get aid in.
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so, they've been delivering food aid and other help just only by helicopter. they've been able to get in over land. that's down south of here. up in these mountains, though, the situation is extremely dire. you heard mohommad there telling us that he knew of villages further into the hills that had been worse hit, if that's imaginable, than his own village, and that the local people there were still trying to dig through the rubble to try and find anybody still alive. it's very unlikely, of course, and more troubling to bring out the dead of their friends and relatives. and it could be some time, really, before the authorities are able to get there just because of the sheer scale of the logistical challenge there, anderson. >> it's just awful. sam kylie, i'm glad you're there. thank you. hurricane lee and the central question about it, where will its northward track end up? tens of millions people need to know. some have already begun seeing the kind of surf and rip currents that precede a major
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storm. anyone who remembers sandy knows how bad what might come next may be. jennifer gray is tracking the storm. what's the latest, jennifer? >> hurricane lee still has winds of 115 miles per hour. this is still a major hurricane. it is a category 3, gusts of 140 moving to the west/northwest very slowly at 7 miles per hour. so, this very slow track is going to continue over the next two days or so. so, by wednesday, that's when we're expected to really start to see where that turn to the north is going to take place. is it going to be a little bit farther to the east or the west? the storm should weaken as it travels to the north. however, the storm should grow in size, anderson. so, that means the wind field from this storm, albeit might not be as strong as a category 3, it's going to be much more far reaching. >> i'm a little unclear. when do you think there will be more confidence about where exactly this thing is headed? >> that's the million dollar question. when are we going to know when this turn is going to take
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place, and where will it go from here? by wednesday i think we'll have a much clearer picture of where exactly it's going to hit. the models are agreeing a little bit more as of right now over the next couple of days. once we get into wednesday, then you're about three or four days out from it getting very close to shore. so, then you'll have a better idea of where it's going to go. most of the models are taking it up to, say, nova scotia. a couple are hinting at the gulf of maine and making landfall around maine. it's still too early to tell. >> so, what should residents in the northeast be prepared for? >> you need to be prepared because this storm is going to be far reaching. it's going to have a very wide wind field. even if it is offshore, you're going to feel strong winds on shore. so, the wake of hurricane franklin, if you remember that, left cooler water across the atlantic. so, that's why we think there's going to be more weakening with this storm, but still the winds are going to be really strong. as we move forward in time, you
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can see the stronger winds are going to stay obviously around the center. but we still could see some strong winds well over portions of the northeast and new england. so, we need to prepare for, i would say, a hend nor'easter, the same way you would prepare for that, and maybe more significant impacts. i think we'll know more in a couple of days. in libya, officials say thousands of people are dead and many thousands more are feared dead in flooding one official described as catastrophic. the worst began with rain, water levels, a lot of local reservoirs went over their banks, coastal towns were washed away, entire neighborhoods into the sea. we'll of course continue to follow that story. a busy night. much more ahead. north korean state run media confirmed kim jong-un is headed to russia tonight. beyond the border is largely a mystery, whether kim and vladimir putin will meet. we'll have the latest next.
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kim jong-un heading to russia at the invitation of vladimir putin. that's according to north korean state-run media. there are no details from pyongyang of why kim is going to russia or when they may meet. a train was spotted near north korea's russian border, and it's said to resemble the one kim uses. we can't confirm the location or when the video was reported. the two leaders could discuss an arms deal that would have major implications on the war in ukraine and possibly north korea's efforts to boost its nuclear arsenal. what, if anything, do we know about the meeting? >> reporter: essentially this train, a very fancy green train with yellow trim that we understand has about 20 bullet proof karncarriages on it, has making its way northwards toward the russian city of vladivostok.
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that train very slow going. expected to get there -- has left, we now understand, pyongyang, as early as sunday. so, it could be soonish. that meeting could get underway as early as tuesday. now, what we understand from the russian side, in the shape of dmitry peskov, who has been speaking to a russian journalist, is that the two will have bilateral meetings. there will also be some sort of state meal for him. the reason we're watching this so closely is how desperately each needs something from the other. ammunition, artillery shells to fuel the war in ukraine. but it is what the north korean leader might get, which is of particular concern to the asian region. and that is not just food, aid, some of the very basics that his economy desperately needs, but of course help with some of that more sophisticated weaponry, spy
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satellites, for instance, anderson, nuclear-powered submarines and any help he might get from his nuclear program one of the world's leading nuclear nations. >> has there been any reaction from ukrainian authorities? >> not so far. but we have had a very stiff reaction from washington. american officials pursuing that strategy that we've seen over the course of the last few months, really holding up the possibility either of meetings or of weapons transfers as they did with beijing, warning beijing just a few months ago what would happen should there be any weapons transfers towards moscow, really flagging those as publicly as they can. that doesn't appear to have worked, but we have been hearing from a state department spokesman about warnings of what will happen if those go ahead, the serious sanctions that both of these countries, already very heavy sanctions, would face. but also pointing out that the secretary of state said in a
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visit last week to kyiv, that it does give you an idea of how vladimir putin has failed, that he should head across his country looking for weapons to fuel it. >> so, you're talking about things they may be prepared to do. sanctions is essentially all that's in the arsenal. >> that's pretty much what's in the arsenal. it is of extreme concern to the international community because what you're looking at is 15 years of sanctions on north korea, a whole system of sanctions have been set up by the international community. one of the leading members of the security council with a veto write on it could be about to help fall apart. that is of course of extreme concern. both countries heavily sanctioned. the question is what further question could be applied on these two countries, one of which, again, sits on a city council. when you look at the role china has played over the course of
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the last year, it has been largely responsible for helping north korea with a lot of its food aid, helping it to get around some of those sanctions, refusing to further sanction it on the security council when it has been in violation of the sanctions that are already there. pyongyang is extremely reluctant to be too reliant on beijing, as it has been these last years. for it, this is an extremely welcomed move that moscow should need precisely the ammunition it has. bear in mind pyongyang hasn't been at war since 1953, the korean war that saw the korean peninsula separated into two. it has a lot of ammunition. and about a year ago, the united states accused pyongyang of secretly bringing some of those shipments to russia. the fact it should be overtly doing so, a huge win for pyongyang on the world stage and in terms of evading sanctions and of course right here in ukraine, a huge worry for ukrainians about some of those ammunitions, some of those shells arriving here openly, anderson. >> melissa bell, thanks very much. truly welcomed news now, the
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american trapped for days in a cave is out. what do we know about how rescuers got this caver out. >> sanderson, this has been a very complex rescue mission that has been going on for days right now that has involved nearly 200 rescuers from different countries, a real multi-national effort to get mark dicky out of that cave. now, just a bit of background about how this all unfolded. about ten days ago, mark dicky, who was part of this expedition, he's a researcher. he fell ill at about 3,000 feet from the surface. we understand that he had gastrointestinal bleeding. but he was stabilized. he received several units of blood while he was in there. but it was such a logistical challenge to try and get him on a stretcher and get him out of what is turkey's third deepest
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cave, with very narrow and winding passages. so, they really have to work on this plan that went into effect on saturday. and you had these different rescuers setting up these different camps. it's been a seven-phase rescue operation since saturday. they move a bit, stomp a bit, rest, and then move again. and just in the past few hours, we've heard the news. we've seen the images come out of mark dicky coming out of that cave after what has been a very difficult time for him, his family, his friends, and of course all these rescuer who is have been involved in this delicate operation, anderson. >> it's incredible they got him out. thanks. next, we remember the nearly 2,000 people killed 22 years ago today in the 9/11 terror attacks.
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the shafts of light you see there on the right of your screen. nearly 3,000 people were killed on september 11, 2001, where those beams of light now rise. 40 were killed when the plane they were in crashed in a field in shanksville, pennsylvania. this morning, mourners gathered at ground zero in new york for several moments of silence, including one for each plane and the reading of the names of those killed. [ bell tolling ] >> the bell at the exact moment when the planes hit. tonight, we remember what must never be forgotten. that's it for us. the news continues. "the source" with kaitlan "the source" with kaitlan collins starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com
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