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>> tonight on 360, breaking news, new pushed by the former president to get the judge and his january 6th trial of the case, and his warning that the public will not accept the outcome otherwise. also, a search for survivors on the heels of one natural disaster, the earthquake in morocco, and tracking potential another your queen lee heading towards the east coast. plus, more than a week since he broke out of prison, how housing escaped killer managed to elude capture for so long? good evening, we begin tonight with breaking news, the former president calling out federal judge tanya chutkan to recruits herself from his case. that, a warning from his attorneys who say in their request, quote, only at this trial is administered by a judge who appears entirely impartial, could the public ever except the outcome as justice. as one of the federal cases
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against him, there's also breaking news in the georgia case, where trump and his attorneys have just filed a motion to have the entire indictments thrown out. cnn's paula reid joins us with more on that. so, let's talk about trump's request for the judge in the federal case for us to recruit herself. >> anderson, judge tanya chutkan was randomly assigned oversee the trump election subversion case. she was appointed by former president obama, she's been on the bench for about a decade. she has made her opinions and her views on the capitol attack pretty clear, as she has overseen multiple trials of rioters. she's also really earned a reputation for being pretty harsh when it comes to sentencing. kendis filing, trump's lawyers argue that certain comments that she made during some of those sentenced things mean cheese to step aside. the first one she point to is said, quote, the people who mobb tt capital were there the constitution, it's a blind
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loyalty to one person who, by the way, remains freed to this day. now, trump lawyers argue that she is saying that trump should not be free. going to another quote, where she says, quote the issue of who has a war has not been charges not before me. i do not have any influence on that, i have my opinions, but they are not relevant. trump's lawyers argue that comments like this leave little doubt that she is prejudiced against the former president, and should recuse herself. now, we have a hard bar here, they fathers before judge chutkan, and she's already said
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that she liked the justice department to weigh in by thursday. the >> former president also making requests in the georgia case. >> yeah it's, really interesting, instead of filing his own original objections, he's piggybacking and joining objections and challenges that have been filed by regionally on, and attorney kenneth chesebro. this is really the first time that he and his attorneys have tried to attack the legal case in georgia, asking the state court to dismiss many of the charges, it's a little unusual about that, anderson, is the former president has signaled he is going to try and remove the whole case to federal court. so, this could be a sign that he may not actually follow through with that, especially because we saw a late friday, where former white house chief of staff, mark meadows, who everybody thought had the best chance of getting his case removed to federal court, that was rejected by federal judge. so, he is appealing. >> paula reid, thanks very much, joining us now -- cnn law enforcement analyst and fbi deputy andrew mccabe. -- what your reaction to the judge from judge chutkan? >> it's not surprising, but as follows that, it's all he to succeed. the judge will make her own decision. certainly, trump could appeal. but, every judge who has sentence any of the january six demonstrators, had to make a relative determination. where is this first in relative to hire us before me? where is this person relative to the nature of the crime, was this just a demonstration, or was this essential-y and
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attempted coup? i'm not certain that her remarks are any different than the remarks of any other district of columbia court judge, republican or democrat, who's had to deal with these cases. >> andrews, we noted earlier the former president is in his filing only in this trial only if the trial is administered by a judge who is partial, could the -- is an explosive threat of unrest given his track record? >> well, anderson, i think at minimum it is a big ridge for the defendant who has made a career out of attacking the justice system and trying to undermine the institutions that we rely on, criminal justice, to claim that the public will not accept something. he is basically been the biggest mover behind the public 's non acceptance of the criminal justice system. but, nevertheless, of course is it an explicit threat, is it a signal, it's all those things to his supporters and to his
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base. it's clearly kind of raising the stakes to the judge in an effort to get more pressure on her decision. i do not think it's going to have any positive effect whatsoever. i agree with judge nancy gertner that this motion is likely to go no. >> judge nancy gertner how likely do judges actually grant -- to recruit themselves? >> it's not often. particularly, not when it is saying that's a comment that you made in a court proceeding somehow cast doubt on whether or not you could be fair in this case. let me say that to some degree, trump's comments about whether or not the public will accept this verdict if it stays before judge chutkan, is to some degree and innocuous spin on that which is the standard here is the appearance of impartiality. to some degree, it's saying, will the public to accept something from a judge that we think is biased? as i said before, i do not
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think that judge chutkan said anything different than any other judge in any of the other cases. >> andrew, as paula reid reports, the former president also asked georgia course to dismiss several state level charges against him. how common is that? is there any reason to think he would be successful? >> very little reason to think he'd be successful. it's pretty common for criminal defendants to make notions to dismiss the cases against them. even at the beginning of the proceeding, the beginning of a trial, or maybe at the end of the prosecution's case. those emotions rarely are successful, but they have the effect of essentially putting the claim on the record, and then you have the opportunity to use its leader as a grounds for an appeal. i think, in this, case it's highly unlikely that they'll be able to attack this sufficiency of the indictment in such a way that would compel any judge to dismiss it against these defendants. >> andrew, do you think, the former president's legal team
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has said in court filings previously that they might as to move the case to federal court, given meadows attempts failed, do you think, obviously issues very different, you think the former president would fare better? duty can get moved to federal court? >> i don't think so, i think that it's been my opinion that meadows had the best chance of trying to remove the case to federal court. he's the one who was clearly an employee of the federal government, working at least to some extent within the scope of his position. there's all sorts of other issues with the former president, there's a constitutional question as to whether the president actually qualifies as an officer of governments. of the executive branch for the purpose of this law. so, i think he is got a tougher argument to make, and we've already seen meadows fail in that effort. >> judge, you agree with the? >> i agree. i think that the decision of the judge made in the meadows case would pretty much cover trump as well. whatever was done here was done as part of a campaign, not as part of the executive branch.
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it was arguably done for the purposes of preventing the peaceful transfer of power. let me just say one other thing about the recruits of. put this into the context of the discussions we've had about justice thomas, who did it recuse himself when his wife participated in the january 6th insurrection. so, it seems to me that the recruit will sounded has to be equally applied across the board. >> judge nancy gertner, and recuse. well more now on georgia's. the effort to get the -- attack in the justice system, he certainly done this in this case including fani willis. >> they say there's a young woman, a young racist in atlanta. right here in georgia, you have a lunatic, mark cystic, attorney. >> also the day, on social network he put titled the -- follow several these efforts in colorado in a constitutional
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way under the 14th minute to keep the former president off the ballot. joining us now is someone would views on that, in connection to the georgia case as well, those states top election -- testified before the trump granary. secretary, appreciate you being with us. what is the reaction to former president trying to get some of the georgia state charges thrown out? you think you'll have success with that? >> good evening, anderson. i am not an attorney, in fact, right now i'm focused on securing elections, an empowering job creators, and preparing our team for next year's election. we are not focused on grievances of the past that some might bear. >> when you got the call from the former president, mark meadows actually sets up that call. did it seem weird to you at the time that the chief of staff of the president was doing this, what was a political act? >> that was the third time he had reached out, and, he
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mentioned he wanted to have a call. the president want to have a call with myself, and so, we had that call and i explain the facts of the election of 2020. we refuted all the allegations that were made. that was two and a half years ago. we are focused on the future, and obviously some people are still living in the past. >> you did testify, so you are living in the present as well and in that. it's not much of the future in the past, you did testify about this in the meadows case. >> yeah. i testified and i will continue to follow the law and follow the constitution. when compelled, i will provide a testimony in the facts of what happened in 2020. >> you've spoken about the efforts to use the 14th amendment subsection to prevent the president from getting on the ballot. do you think that is something that you would support in georgia?
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>> i've been very clear about that, i think that's misguided. these bad actors have been trying to soothe their way with their feeling candidates and lawyers have tried to sue their way to success through the courts. go back to stacey abrams after 2018, she lost, claimed election mismanagement, land look at 2020. mr. trump also filed lawsuits. none of it ever succeeded, but what it did is created polarization and dissension. eventual, we won all those cases. so, we'll continue to make sure that voters in georgia understands that this is really critical, that they will be the ones making the decisions, the voters need to make a decision on who wins the election in georgia. >> we have to take a quick break, we'll talk you more after the break. latest on the search on the killer has been spotted several times, not by police.
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some high-profile legal scholars, conservative fired -- michael luttig, are arguing that there is the section for our viewers who may not be up on, this is section of the 14 amenenactually bars the former president from holding future office. there is a piece in the atlantic that judge coauthored, and said he automatically power of united statesnd the government. any who is taken an oath to support and defend our conson and, they are after rebels against that sacred charter, even through over instruction or by giving aid or comfort to the constitution's enemies. what do you, i know you said you do not agree with, that is it that you do not agree he was a succession is or that he gave it and comfort to enemies, or that you just do not think that's the judicial process on this constitutional challenge is appropriate, given that he's running for president. >> in georgia, there's a process and people want to push and try and keep people off the
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ballots. in fact, they try to do that would congressman and they were unsuccessful. what i have said is, the people need to decide these issues. when you start removing people off the world, and the people do not have a chance to vote, it looks like you're tilting the field against them. i think that's why we have an awful lot of angst and anger on both oaths of the aisle right now. people feel it or not being heard, and the system is rigged against them. so, let the people decide. it's the way it should happen. i think it's not let people have that vote taken away. it's really un-american. you think about 1776, you think about today, 9/11. remembering that sacrifice of people have over 3000 people were killed. what that led to. for the people who are fighting against, they did not believe in the rule of law, they didn't believe in the power of people voting. in america, the americans make the decisions, they get to choose their next leaders. i have faith in the american elector, i have faith in my georgia voters. >> i talked to laurence tribe,
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who's one of the other non liberal but him and the judge little are working together on this. his argument to that are, yes the rule of law does matter and the constitution matters a lot. even if it is inconvenience, even if it is uncomfortable given that there is a presidential race going on, that the constitution is more important than the discomfort or people to not have to be able to vote for the person they may want, if that person has violated the constitution. >> i understand the legal arguments, and you get two of them together, to, or even three different opinions. at the end of the day, we have a process in georgia, and at the end of the day, i'm standing up for georgia voters that georgia voters have the opportunity to decide who they want to be their choice, who wins the presidential primary, and then who actually wins in
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2024. let the people decide. i have great faith american voters, i have great faith in georgia voters. look at governor kemp than i, we won with landslide victories. we went to go talk to voters. i think people are looking for somebody who is aspirational, positive, they have a vision, they're not looking for somebody who lives in the past that's running around with the retribution tour. so, i think, at the end of the day i have faith in the american people. >> if the american people in the republican party vote for the former president as the republican damani, will you support him? >> i secretary of state ivan, very, clear i do not endorse candidates. but, i have been also very clear that what i am looking for, just like that young singer that kind of set the world on fire, he was born and wrote north richmond, he said he was born in 1993. he's never really had a great aspirational presidents. that's 1993. i think he has conservative, i'm looking for the next -- and probably others either looking for something different. i hope that we find that
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aspirational leader, and i hope it's conservative leadership. i think that's how we win races, someone that can cast a positive engine, and is really talking about pocketbook issues. how to improve the life of the average working day american, every day, so they have a better job, better future? >> you are talking or what you're doing about the next election, and i think it's what i want to talk about, because given what happened in 2020, i'm wondering if there are safeguards you can put into place in georgia? >> we are really fortunate that no matter how you vote in georgia, now we've secured the votes that we have photo i. d. for all forms of voting, secure the vote, we have absentee voting with photo i. d.. it's just like early person, voting, we have 17 days in early voting. we'll probably see about 60 to 65% of all voters vote early. the person on election day, about five 6% vote -- no matter how you vote, it's photo i. d. based. we think that is good. georgia right now is the cleanest voter role in the entire nation, and we clean up our voter rolls objectively. when people move away, we followed them, and we track
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them, so we can remove them objectively. we make sure that we have plenty of opportunities to vote. so, it's never been easier to vote in georgia, and were recognized as one of the top states in the country for election security, accessibility, and fair and on his voting. i'm really proud of that. i'm proud of my fellow georgians. >> senator, brad raffensperger, i appreciate your time tonight, thank you. >> thank. you >> still ahead, $25, 000, that's how much authorities are now offering for information leading to the arrest of this man who escaped pennsylvania inmate. he comes as police are on day 12 of their manhunt, details next. interesting. hm? it's both an electric and a gas car. yeap. quite the paradox. hmmmm? hmmmm? hmm? hmmmm? so jj's for lunch? the first ever lexus rx plug-in hybrid. electric for short trips... gas for long. it really is both. ♪
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>> we're following several developments in the hunt for the escaped pennsylvania inmate. authorities are now in day 12 of the search for the killer. authorities say they're forced to change directions after he escaped their search parameters. we've got more developments, from brian todd, who has the latest. >> a turn of events in the massive man hunt for convicted killer danelo cavalcante, none of them positive for law enforcement or the community. >> now, we're going to prepare for the long game. this is a man hunt and all that means to us is that it's a longer feature investigation with more resources. >> law enforcement officials believe cavalcante remains in pennsylvania. he managed to steal a dairy truck and change's appearance of the weekend, leading police to say there is no longer a
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defined search area. >> i have not formed a similar border, physical presence, to contain an area. >> the search for cavalcante is now further north. he was spotted more than 20 miles from the chester county prison. police say he somehow slipped through a tightly guarded perimeter, due to possible weaknesses. >> i'm aware of some of the weaknesses. law would gardens presented some very unique challenges. >> there is a massive tunnel systems. there's a lot of ravines. there's a lot of very thick vegetation there. >> cavalcante stole a white fort van from a dairy farm saturday evening, which he later ditched behind the barn after it ran out of gas. >> we just have to be aware of it. and i know that the authorities are in the area. and you know, we just have to be on our toes. he has to know that for his actions there's always a consequence. and he needs to face his consequences. >> cavalcante also managed to steal a bright green hoodie from the dairy farm, which he is seen wearing in this
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doorbell camera, along with a clean shaven face. a former work associate provided these images of the 34-year-old to please. he hadn't spoken to cavalcante in years. >> the fact that he has reached out to people with a very distant past connection tells me he doesn't have a great network of support. >> police say cavalcante attempted to meet with two former work associates on saturday night, one in the east pikeland area of chester county at around 9:52 pm, and another in the area of phoenixville at 10:07 pm. cavalcante's former roommate speak with cnn affiliate wpvi, saying he's been trying to assist authorities since cavalcante's crab walking escape from prison on august 31st. >> i'm just seeing if he's found so i can talk to portuguese to him so he can surrender. >> franco did not give his last name to wpvi, but did release this security camera footage showing it shows the day he
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moved out of their apartment in the area in 2021. franco saying it was the day before cavalcante killed his former girlfriend, deborah brandao. >> i just want -- so i can sleep. so i can lead my normal life. so i can feel safe again. and yeah, he has to pay for what he did it. >> police now say they have detained danelo cavalcante's sister eleni, and are getting ready to deport her. police say she has chosen not to cooperate with them in their investigation. and because she has overstayed her visa, there is no longer any value in law enforcement keeping her in the country any longer. anderson? >> ryan todd, thank you very much. with me now, cnn chief law enforcement analyst and former nypd deputy commissioner john miller. the police are saying that this is actually kind of a good thing where he's in an urban area, why would that be? >> i, mean they've been chasing him in the woods for 12 days. he's managed to hide there by day and then move around the cover of darkness by night.
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but by stealing that truck, that gave him mobility. it also put him around phoenixville, whereas friends, family, maybe access to some assistance. but it also takes the u.s. marshals and pennsylvania state police and county authorities into a much more urban, suburban, like environment. please pull walking on the streets -- >> more cameras around. >> more cameras around, more people who are able to see something and say something and for police to get there more quickly. remember though, the alternative, anderson, they're using thermal imaging and drones and helicopters at night and seen heat signals move to a wooded area. and you, know to penetrate that far in and find out it's a deer or something else. this is going to be within their comfort zone more than they were before. >> it's interesting that he's reaching out to, you know, former coworkers who he hadn't seen in a long time. and now police have detained his sister and are going to report her -- deep port or. >> yes to calculate that the
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police and the marshals are probably all over my family in terms of surveillance, or up on their phones, or otherwise. so, he's trying to think of who do i know that they -- that's far enough in my past that they don't know that i know. reaching out to acquaintances from years ago, and he's kind of having to reintroduce himself, which shows a sign that either his network has rejected him, or he's afraid to go near it. >> and the longer he's out there, whose advantage is that? >> he's under the gun every day. you know, the marshals, the state police, the county, they can throw more personnel at this. >> i mean, everyone ultimately gets caught, don't they? >> everyone gets caught. and we know that because, you know, mike burnham went on the run in july in pennsylvania, ran into the woods, survivalist training, former military, ten days he lasted. eric reign lasted 48 days in a massive manhunt a couple of years ago in pennsylvania in a rural area, and it in a big
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shootout. eric rudolph, the olympic park bomber, went into the -- national forest and hit out five years. but they still caught him. you can run, but you can't hide. >> the fact that he was able to kind of cleanup and figure out how to steal a vehicle, what does that say about it still set? >> he is exceeding expectations. most people who escaped from prison are recovered within 24 hours and within two miles of where they escaped from. ten days into this, being able to commit, probably multiple burglaries, steal a car, change outfits, cut his hair, shave his beard, he's giving authorities a run for their money. i think he's exceeded their expectations, as well. >> all right, john miller, appreciate, it thank you very much. next, destruction in morocco after when the worst earthquakes they've seen there in generations. a live report from the scene on the effort to find survivors. also, the latest on where hurricane lee could go, now a category two 3 storm heading
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-- the video caught on a security camera has no sound. it shows however in a developed area a distance from the epicenter, what that shows speaks loudly enough about how much worse it was just a short distance away. so does this, but it cuts both
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ways. rescuers in this hard-hit area pulling a survivor from inside a flattened building. yet there are so few scenes like this. already, it's set against the kind of damage suggesting that choice moment like that rescue could be hard to come by. already nearly 3000 people have lost their lives. cnn's sam kiley is in the hardest hit area and joins us now. sam, what was it like today? >> well, anderson, i mean, today, i think, was an extraordinary day for us in that we started the day here in as the, where there is now a military camp to treat people who have been injured in this earthquake. it's a very efficient military camp, but not very far up into those atlas mountains that you mentioned. there are villages that have been completely obliterated and they're getting no help. this is what one look like. >> the houses here have been destroyed. there is 21 who died here.
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>> 21? >> mohammed is a law student and he grew up in -- >> so, you know the people who died? >> everyone hurt is somebody i know. it's not a big village, but everyone knows each other here. >> does it break your heart? >> yeah, it's so bad. you see the people here that this house, to the people here are dead. and the second house, three. we have one house here, one house there, all the family is dead. so it's -- i don't know what they will say. it's a bad night. >> a very bad night. >> yeah. >> staggering. >> this is what remains of 120 homes. mohammed knows every house that was and who died in them.
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>> this house destroyed and all the family were dead. >> this one, the one in front? >> yeah. next one -- >> how many people in that family? >> for, only left one person alive, a child. >> last friday's quake took more than 2800 lives and the numbers climbed. isolated villages like this giving out their grim tools slowly. muhammad explained that his neighbors fought for every penny that they earned as farmers and a harsh landscape. they fought for food, they fought to educate young people like him. >> the people not ready for this, no. just normal people here. >> aid and rescue is getting to places like this. but many others are yet to be discovered. mohammed fear is that many more dead and injured are lying under villages like this, cut off from help. but the community is staying on. village life reduced to a
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shared tent for 24 families. this is the community kitchen. >> mothers of this village, what do you want from your government? >> [speaking in a non-english language] >> houses? >> we need homes, that's a cry that's only going to get louder here. >> so, where to rescue and recovery efforts stand right now? >> well, the main effort for the government perspective, and they have just reached the epicenter today, at a village called -- , which they had only been able to reach by air, is focused by using helicopters, predominantly to try and establish in these far flung villages what the needs are and how to get aid in. so, in that village they've been delivering food aid and other help, just only by helicopter. they've been able to get in overland, that's down south of europe. in these mountains the, the situation is extremely dire.
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and you heard mohammed they're telling us that he knew of villages further into the hills that have been worst hit, if that's imaginable, and his own village. and then the local people there were still trying to dig through the rubble to try and find anybody still alive. very unlikely, of course. and more troubling to bring out the dead of their friends and relatives. and it could be sometime, really, before the authorities are able to get there, just because of the sheer scale of the logistical challenge there, anderson. >> that's just awful. sam kiley, i'm glad you're there. thank you. now, hurricane lee and a central question about it, where will its northward track and up? tens of millions of people living the most densely populated part of the eastern seaboard need to know. some of already began seeing the type of surf and rip currents that proceed a major storm, and anyone who remembers sandy knows how bad what might come next might be. jennifer gray is in the weather center tracking the latest storm. what's the latest, jennifer? >> hurricane lee still has winds 115 miles per hour. this is still a major
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hurricane. it is a category 3, gusts of 140, moving to the west, northwest very slowly at seven miles per hour. so, this very slow track is going to continue over the next two days or so. so, by wednesday, that's one we're expected to really start to see where that turn to the north is going to take place. is it going to be a little bit farther to the east northwest? the storm should weaken as it travels through the north. however, the storm should grow in size, anderson, so that means the wind field from the storm will be it might not be as strong as a category 3, it's going to be much more far-reaching. >> so i'm a little unclear, one do you think there will be a little more confidence about where exactly this thing is headed? >> that's the million dollar question, right, when are we going to know when this turn is going to take place and where will it go from here? so, by wednesday, i think we'll have a much clearer picture of where exactly it's going to head. the models are agreeing a little bit more as of right now over the next couple of days. but once we get into wednesday, then you are about three or
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four days out from it getting very close to shore. so then you'll have a better idea of where it's going to go. right now, most of the models are still taking it up to say, nova scotia. a couple or headache maybe at the gulf of maine and making a landfall around maine. but it's still, anderson, too early to tell. i think we need to give it another 48 hours or so before we have a clear picture. >> so what should residents in the northeast be prepared for? >> you need to be prepared, because the storm is going to be far reaching, it's going to have a very wide wind fields. that means even if it is offshore, you're still gonna feel some strong winds on shore. so the wake of hurricane franklin, if you remember that, left some cooler water across the atlantic. so that's why we think there's gonna be some more weakening with this storm. but still, the winds are going to be really strong. as we move forward in time, you can see the stronger winds, they're going to stay obviously around the center, but we still could see some strong winds well over portions of the northeast and new england. so we need to prepare for, i would, say a high-end nor'easter, at the same way you
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prepare for that. and maybe even more significant impacts, i think will know better in a couple of days. and of course, we'll stay on top of it for you. >> all right, jennifer gray, thank you very much. in libya, officials say many thousands of people are dead and many more feared dead in flooding, that one official described is catastrophic. the worst began with rain, water levels at local reservoirs went over their banks. coastal towns were washed away throwing entire neighborhoods into d.c.. of course will continue to follow that story. a busy night much more ahead. north korean state-run media confirm tonight that kim jong-un is headed to russia right now. the video just in his of a train set to resemble the one used by kim spotted near the north korea russian border. beyond that is largely a mystery, including whether kim and vladimir putin will meet. one of the very latest, next. guys, c'mon! mom, c'mon! mia! [ engine revving ] ♪ ♪ my favorite color is... because, it's like a family thing! [ engine revving ] ♪ ♪
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>> tonight, we could be seeing the start of a high-level visit shrouded in secrecy. north korean leader kim jong-un headed to russia at the invitation flattering putin. according to north korean state-run media, there are no details from pyongyang or the kremlin on why cam's go to russia where he and putin may meet. we did just get this video of her from our our tv, a train
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was spotted near north korea's russia border, and instead resemble the one that kim uses. we can't confirm its location or where it was recorded. we -- the focus of the meetings i don't, but the pentagon is discussing that the two could discuss a arms deal that could have major implications on the war in ukraine and north korea's efforts to boost its war. melissa bell now has more from zaporizhzhia, ukraine. so what, if anything, do we know about the meeting? >> well, essentially this train, very fancy anderson, green train with yellow trim, we understand it has about 20 bulletproof carriages. he's so paranoid, the korean leader, about his security, it's been making its way northward towards the -- russian city of vladivostok. what we understand the russian leader himself as on the train there. that train, very slow going, as a result of that setup, it's expected to get there -- as, left we understand, pyongyang as early as sunday. so, could be there soon-ish. that meeting could get underway as early as tuesday.
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now what we understand from the russian side in the shape of dimitri peskov, the kremlin spokesman who's been speaking to a russian journalist, is that the two will have bilateral meetings. but there will also be some kind of state meal for him. now, the reason we're watching this so closely is how desperately each needs things from the other. on one hand, the russian leader, we know in desperate need of ammunition, artillery shells to help fuel the war here in ukraine. but it is what the north koreans leader might get which is of particular concern to the asian region, and that is not just food aid, some of the very basics that is a commonly desperately needs, but help with more of that very sophisticated weaponry, spy satellites, anderson, nuclear powered submarines and any help you might get for his nuclear program from one of the world's leading nuclear nations, anderson. >> as there been any reaction from ukrainian authorities? >> not so far.
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but we have had a very stiff reaction from washington. american officials pursuing that strategy that we've seen over the course of the last few months of really holding up the possibility of either meetings or of weapons transfers, as they did with beijing, warning beijing just a few months ago what would happen should there be any weapons transfers towards moscow, really flagging those as publicly as they can in the hope of preventing them from happening. that doesn't appear to have worked. but we have been hearing, anderson, from state department spokesman about warnings of what will happen if those go ahead, the very serious sanctions that both of these countries already heavily sanctioned would face, but also pointing out and reflecting something that the secretary of state said in a visit here last week to kyiv that it does give you a fair idea of just how spectacular letter putin has failed and strategic aims here in ukraine, that he should be heading across his own country hat in hand looking for some of the weapons he needs to help fuel that, anderson. >> so you're talking about
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things they may be prepared to do. sanctions is essentially all that's in the arsenal. >> that's pretty much what's in the arsenal. it is of extreme concern to the international community, because what you're looking at is 15 years of sanctions on north korea, a whole system of sanctions that have been set up by the international community that one of the leading members of the security council with a veto right on it could be about to help fall apart. and that of course is of extreme concern. both countries extremely heavily sanctioned, the question is what further pressure could be applied on these two countries, one of which, again, sits on the security council. and when you look at the role that china has played already over the course of last year, it has been largely responsible for helping north korea with a lot of its food aid, helping it to get around some of those sanctions, refusing to further sanction it on the security council when it has been in violation of the sanctions that are already there. now, pyongyang is extremely
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reluctant to be too reliant on beijing as it has been these last few years. for, it this is an extremely welcome move that moscow should be in need of precisely the kind of ammunition that it has. bear in mind, anderson, that pyongyang has been at war since 1953, the korean war that saw the korean peninsula separated into two. it has a lot of ammunition. and about a year ago, the united states had accused pyongyang of secretly bringing some those shipments to russia. the fact that it should be overtly doing so, a huge win for pyongyang on the world stage and in terms of evading sanctions. and of course, right here in ukraine, a huge worry for ukrainians about some those ammunitions, some of those shells arriving here openly, anderson. >> melissa bell, thank you very much. some truly welcome news now, the american trapped in a cave for days and turkey is out. jomana karadsheh joins us. so, what do we know about how rescuers got this cover out? >> anderson, this has been a very complex rescue mission that's been going on for days right now that has involve
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nearly 200 rescuers from different countries, a real multinational effort to get dickey out of that. cave now, just a bit of background on how this all unfolded. about ten days ago, mark dickey, who is part of this expedition, he was a researcher, he fell ill at about 3000 feet from the surface. we understand that he had gastrointestinal bleeding. but he was stabilized. he received several units of blood while he was in there. but it was such a logistical challenge to try and get him on a stretcher and get him out of what is turkey's third deepest cave, with a very narrow and winding passages. so they really had to work on this plan that went into effect on saturday. and you had these different rescuers setting up these different camps. it's been a seven phased rescue
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operation since saturday. they move a bit, stop a bit, rest, and then move again. and just in the past few hours, we've heard the news, we've seen the images coming out of mark dickey coming out of that cave after what has been a very difficult time for him, his family, his friends, and of course, all these rescuers who have been involved in this delicate operation, anderson. >> it's incredible they got him out. jomana karadsheh, thanks. next, we remember the nearly 3000 people killed 22 years ago today in the 9/11 terror attacks. important things aren't worth compromising. at farmers, we offer both quality insurance and great savings. (crowd cheers) here, take mine. (farmers mnemonic)
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40 were killed when the plane they were in crashed in a field of pennsylvania. this, morning mourners gathered at ground zero in new york for several moments of silence, including a moment for each plane and the reading of the names of those killed. [bell ringing] the bell rang at the exact moment when the planes hit. tonight we remember what must never be forgotten. that's it for us, the news continues with this horse with kaitlan collins starts now. >> tonight, straight from the source, speak of mccarthy on a collision course amid a revolt within his own ranks. the pressure growing from his right flank to impeach president biden, which could end up shutting down the governments. plus, donald trump wants the judge overseeing his federal election case out. now calling on her to recuse
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herself, but it is attached to the judge to actually make that call, and we will tell you how she just responded. tonight, two beams of light remind us what happened 22 years ago. the deadliest attack on u.s. soil, but as the nation river is 9/11, families of the victims are still asking, why are they waiting for justice? i'm kaitlan collins, and this is the source. tonight, house lawmakers are set to return to capitol hill, and it is time to repair for drama. potentially draw lots of. it there is a new feud that is brewing within -- already. the far-right flank is demanding an impeachment into president, biden or else he might not get their support on a lot of really important deals. that could end up leaving the government shutdown. eight months after the