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onboard a storm tracker flight where hurricane lee is heading. keeping them honest with house speaker kyiv's decision to launch an impeachment inquiry into president biden. here's what mccarthy told breitbart news a couple weeks ago. quoting now. to open an impeachment inquiry is a serious matter. he went onto say if we move forward with an impeachment inquiry, it would occur through a vote on it floor of the people's house and not through a declaration by one person. so not through a declaration of one person is what he said. and to his credit he's been firm on that point for years. here he is in 2019 saying, quote, speaker pelosi can't decide on impeachment unilaterally. it requires a full vote on the house of representative. democrats and republicans it appeared it didn't matter to speaker mccarthy. you don't just go around unilaterally launching impeachment inquiries. well, here he is today. >> these are allegations of abuse of power, obstruction, and
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corruption. and they warrant further investigation by the house of representatives. that's why today i am directing our house committee to open a formal impeachment inquiry into president joe biden. >> so after years of saying one thing today he decided another, calling on three house committees to run the proceedings and investigate president biden and his family, specifically his son, hunter. as you likely know many republicans perhaps most vocally the former president referring to him as the biden crime family, they made allegations over the years trying to link the president with his son's business activities. as for evidence, though, there hasn't been any. here's congressman james comer who chairs one of the committees now running the investigation on fox news back in may after making some of those allegations. >> you don't actually have any facts to that -- to that point. you've got some circumstantial evidence. and the other thing is of all those names, the one person who didn't profit, there's no evidence joe biden did anything
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illegally. >> we're at the very beginning stages of this, but in talking with the informants that we have, some of the former biden associates that nobody's heard from yet, we know that joe biden was actively involved. and we're still looking for more bank records that we believe will implicate joe biden's active participation in this at the end of the day. >> now, that was back in may on fox. and by mid-summerhouse republicans were touting what they said would be evidence from one of hunter biden's former business partners, a man named devon archer. and in his testimony archer certainly agreed hunter biden's family name helped in dealings including the energy company burisma who was paying hunter biden above their board. however, in closed door testimony here's what he said about any wrongdoing by then-vice president biden. the transcript by the way was published by the house republican committee. question, are you aware of any wrongdoing by vice president biden? answer, no, i'm not aware of
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any. question, so based on anything you saw, heard, or observed did you have any knowledge of joe biden having any involvement in burisma. answer, no, not wreck direct, no. question, no involvement with joe biden and burisma. answer, no. it also supplied no evidence whatsoever his father did anything wrong, which takes us back to speaker mccarthy and his 2019 tweet, quoting this from point three. for dems this is all about politics, not about facts. keeping them honest the central scandal had been known for weeks, namely the former president had issued a veiled threat unless president zelenskyy issued an investigation to smear joe biden. this time they found no evidence tying president biden to wrongdoing, so why is speaker mccarthy doing what he's doing? well, one answer, in fact the
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answer might be found in a video back in january. on the right congressman mccarthy during his arm twisting marathon to win the speakership. on the left is florida congressman matt gaetz who change his vote present to yes on the 15th ballot. in exchange mccarthy agreed to a series of concessions to right-wing lawmakers including a provision to allow a single lawmaker to force a vote to oust him. for weeks now members have been pushing for impeachment. last night congressman gaetz would attack the speaker for not complying with parts of that deal. today despite what appears to be an effort to appease him, other conservative members did just that, dismissing mccarthy's impeachment talk as, quote, a baby step. congressman, thanks for being with us. two days ago you said the time for impeachment is when there's evidence linking president biden to a high crime or misdemeanor. you said, quote, that doesn't exist right now. do you still feel that way tonight? >> i have not seen any of it and
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links to president biden's to son hunter biden's activities. i'll be getting a brief later in the week. i'll be looking more to understanding what the oversight committee has uncovered, but at this point i've not seen that evidence. >> speaker mccarthy certainly doesn't have to hold the full house vote to hold the impeachment inquiry. he has always said he would. he said so two fridays ago. is it clear what changed other than the threats from the matt gaetzes? >> what changed he doesn't have the votes, the republican votes to pass a resolution to open an impeachment inquiry. they'd been trying to get those votes. i don't believe they have the votes. >> so why is he doing this? >> well, because -- well, that's a great question why is he doing it. the three committees they're investigate, and they're investigating hunter biden's activities. they should be investigating. they're uncovering interesting information. like i said they haven't found that link yet to joe biden if it exists. but what speaker mccarthy is
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doing is he has president biden on the one hand -- i'm sorry, president trump on the one hand who is demanding that the house open an impeachment inquiry and begin an impeachment of president biden and on the other hand he has spending bills that coming up and he needs to support the members of the republican conference to help get that continuing resolution passed and appropriations bills. >> yeah, i mean in your opinion does this impeachment inquiry take away focus in the house on government spending and avoiding a shutdown? > >> i believe it does, and i believe it was a shiny object from the beginning. i think it's a good thing we're voting on it on the floor because we've got a lot of work to do if we're going to pass a continuing resolution by september 30th and avert a government shutdown. >> by not doing it on the floor, it does allow you to continue on the continuing resolution. >> exactly. it allows us to focus on spending like other issues like the impeachment, yes.
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>> congressman mccarthy down-played what gaetz has done. if the speaker doesn't come into what he called immediate total compliance, end quote, with the deal that gave him the speakership in the first place. "a," do you know what that even means? and do you think mccarthy survives this as a speaker? >> i think kevin mccarthy survives for several reasons. the main one being no one else wants to be speaker in his place. >> that's not a great job description there. >> no, it's not. i guarantee you won't see speaker buck in the same sentence, but i do think that he survives this. it's important that we make sure we have funding for the next year. and kevin mccarthy is the only person that most republicans are going to support in that process. >> you mention this. cnn is reporting former president trump spoke today with the house gop conference chair about the impeachment strategy. is he really the one driving this? >> i don't know whether he's
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driving it directly or indirectly? certainly as he participates on social media and talks about this on social media, he's driving the activists to call members of congress and get involved. so whether he called kevin mccarthy directly or whether he is just sort of getting the troops riled up, i'm not sure which way it happened, but certainly member of congress are hearing about it. >> what happens now on the spending, on the continuing resolution? >> well, first thing is we're going to try to pass a few spending bills, appropriations bills this week and next week so we'd like to get three or four bills done by the end of next week, and then we'll focus on the continuing resolution the following week, and hopefully by september 30th we have a deal. >> congressman buck, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you. >> yesterday congressman jamie raskin, ranking democrat on the house oversight committee put out a memo rebutting allegations surrounding president biden. quoting from a portion of it, he said this is a transfer and effort to boost donald trump's
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campaign by establishing a false moral equivalency between trump, the four-time indicted former president now facing 91 state and criminal charges facing a mountain of evidence including lying to the fbi and endangering national security by illegally keeping documents and conspiring to subvert the u.s. constitution and president biden against whom there's precisely zero evidence of any wrongdoing whatsoever. congressman raskin joins us now. thank you for being with us. you heard congressman buck. what is your reaction to speaker mccarthy launching this impeachment inquiry? >> well, it's ridiculous, of course. i mean you've got people who voted not to impeach donald trump for inciting a violent insurrection against a union either because they don't think that's a crime or they don't think the evidence was there even though the evidence was overwhelming. we did have ten republicans who joined us in the house and seven republicans who voted to convict in senate. in any event, you've got these the republicans who cannot bring
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themselves to impeach donald trump who tried to overthrow a presidential election and attacked our constitutional order now moving to impeach joe biden for reasons unstated. now, so i think that that's absurd. i applaud congressman buck from colorado who was a district attorney who was the chief of the criminal division of the u.s. attorneys office in colorado. he is someone who understands the criminal law and understands the constitutional law, and he knows the whole thing is absurd. there's no evidence of treason, bribery, and high crimes of misdemeanors. there's no evidence of any crime at all by joe biden, so all of this is clearly being driven by donald trump who wants to establish this counterfeit moral equivalency between the two of them just so he can say he's running against another impeached president. so it's really silly, and they are extracting this as their price for going along at least
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this week with not trying to shut the government down. but, you know, i think a lot of the inside critics of what's happening in the republican conference would tell you that they really do intend to try to shut the government down before the end of september. >> what do you think changed? because as recent as two fridays ago mccarthy was saying he'd only launch an impeachment inquiry through a full house vote. is it pressure from the former president essentially and gaetz? >> it's a combination of that escalating political pressure within the gop but also enough of them coming forward and saying they'll not play ball on the budget this week unless he launches an impeachment inquiry. now, they're not satisfied with what mccarthy has done on either front. on the impeachment side all he's really said is that the three committees, ways and means, judiciary, and the committee i served on now as the ranking democrat oversight will continue doing what they've been doing. he's not forming a new
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impeachment committee, and the oversight committee is supposed to be leading but each one is going to do their own work. and so i think that very quickly the matt gaetz, margery taylor greene caucus is going to grow frustrated. they're also in this rule or ruin mind-set really hoping to get the republicans to drive the economy into a ditch and to shut the government down again, which of course they did a few years ago. so we'll see whether mccarthy will actually be able to subdue, you know, the tumultuousness going on within the republican conference. >> you really believe the republicans want to drive the economy into a ditch for political purposes? because when there's a government shutdown doesn't it hurt the folks on capitol hill who -- who made it happen? >> well, you know, i'm not sure that you can always rationalize the behavior of the maga caucus.
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they're constantly pushing for the most extremist and fanatical actions. there's no program really that unifies the republican conference ever since donald trump took everything over. i mean they literally had no platform for four years, and their real platform consists of whatever donald trump tells them to do. so i think that they do with a rule or ruin mentality. if they're not going to be in charge, they're going to try to create as much trouble as possible. i mean they didn't work with us on the $1.2 trillion infrastructure investment package. they did not work with us on the inflation reduction act, and inflation is down from 9% to 3%, and we had this massive investment in climate action as well as lowering everybody's prescription drug prices. we didn't get a single republican vote for any of that. they're not interested in making progress unless they're in control. and of course when they're in control, progress is just massive tax cuts to the
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wealthiest people in the country and cheating women out of their constitutional rights. >> republican senator mitt romney who obviously voted to convict then president trump in both impeachment trials, he say quoted today as saying the fact the white house has been singularly silent and coddled hunter biden suggests an inquiry is not inappropriate. you can't really paint him as a maga extremist. do you think the white house should have, could have handled the hunter biden saga better? >> you know, i'm not closely watching the white house. what i'm doing is engaged with the work with oversight committee. so for several months we've watched the republicans on oversight committee get all the witnesses they want, all the documents they want, more than 12,000 pages of documents, and there is no evidence of any criminality or wrongdoing by joe biden. there's 91 criminal charges against donald trump right now, 13 criminal charges against congressman santos who was just on the show a few moments ago.
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they have nothing to say about that. there are no charges against joe biden, and they want to impeach the guy. that's obviously coming from donald trump. it's sort of like january 6th. january 6th would not have happened had donald trump not got all the right-wing groups to change their permits from the national park service from january 20th when they were just going to have an inaugural protest to january 6th, and it's the same thing here. if donald trump were not demanding impeachment, does anybody think this would be going on? >> congressman raskin, appreciate your time tonight. coming up next the latest in the hunt for an escaped killer now armed as well. and also or gary tuchman in a storm chaser plane aboveve hurricane lee. we always had questions. who do we belong to? who are our ancestors? i know we have them. when i found that immigration record on ancestry® it just changed everything
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it really is both. ♪ an escaped killer on the loose burglarizing homes wasn't already troubling enough, that same killer convicted in one brutal murder and wanted in another now has a rifle. reporting from the manhunt in eastern pennsylvania here's cnn's brian todd. >> reporter: armed and dangerous, that's how authorities are now describing danelo cavalcante. >> he's killed three people previously. >> reporter: that weapon a rifle the escaped convict stole last night. the homeowner was there and shot at the intruder several timewise ahand gun, but he escaped. the rifle he took also had a scope and flashlight attach. >> what is most concerning is with the rifle and the scope,
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that he could setup an ambush, or if he sees the officers coming through the woods, he's able to preposition and get ready. >> reporter: there was no evidence the fugitive was injured by the shots fired at him. cavalcante stole the gun two hours after yet another reported roadside sighting. a pair of boots then discovered missing from a nearby porch. locals say many residents know how to use firearms against a trespasser. >> god help him if he tries to, you know, anything like that. >> reporter: upwards of 500 officers are now involved in the search working shifts as long as 20 hours. the search area now 8 to 10 square miles, 20 miles north of the prison he escaped from. over the weekend he managed to steal a van from a dairy farm and ring the doorbells of at least two former work associates. >> he has spent time in that area in the past, so he is familiar with it. >> reporter: residents in the search area receiving this warning by phone. >> lock all external doors and
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windows. secure vehicles, and remain indoors. >> reporter: one nearby school district closing today. three others keeping kids inside. >> we do not have evidence at this time that there is assistance being rendered to this individual. in fact, quite the contrary. we've had wonderful cooperation from the public. if you do anything, anything to try and assist this individual, we will hold you accountable. >> reporter: cavalcante was sentenced to life in prison without parole for killing his former girlfriend in 2021. he's also wanted in his native brazil in a 2017 homicide case. >> it's a possibility he'll attack the police to try to get away. it's a possibility he'll attack a civilian or would it be a suicide by cop. >> what are police saying about any advantages he has right now? does he know the area? >> reporter: that's right, anderson. one advantage he could have is according to police he has been to this area of chester county
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before and is familiar to at least some parts of it. but one key disadvantage he could have tonight, he could be moving around shirtless. police say he ditched a green hoodie and white t-shirt at the foot of that driveway at that house where the homeowner fired upon him tonight, and they said they had no reason to believe he had any clothing on him, and anderson, it is expected to rain heavily tonight. >> joining me now is chief intelligence analyst john miller. he knows the area and got a gun. that doesn't sound good. >> it is not good. and he's between phoenix still where he has family, friends, and contacts. theoretically he has been hiding in the woods again during the daytime and may be moving again tonight. >> so how concerned -- i mean certainly the public should be concerned they put out this reverse 911 call although this guy left his garage door open
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with a leaning up there. >> yeah, so that's actually -- you know, if there's an escaped prisoner on the loose leading a loaded rifle leaning up against the garage sounds very questionable. but to get back to, you know, the change, this was a game of cat and mouse. now it's a game of cat and cat. he is armed in a similar way that law enforcement is. he's got a weapon with a full magazine of ammunition. it has a telescopic scope. it has a tactical flashlight, and he's carrying that around. now, that can work in his favor in that he is now evenly matched as an armed escaped prisoner. it can work to a disadvantage because he doesn't have anywhere to put it if he's going to go out into neighborhoods and try and surface again to see people. >> other than just being vigilant and, you know, checking past contacts and anybody he may have had contact with even in the dispoint past because we know he did go to some distant
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coworkers that he knew, what do do in a case like this. >> i mean they have that perimeter. this has been a challenge because he has used to his advantage his ability to survive in the wild and to sneak out of those perimeters, but they've got a lot more people. also it's important to note the rules of engagement have changed. now he's a threat to the public. he could car jack someone. what he needs is distance and cash. he could rob a store. he has this weapon. and when i say the rules of engagement have changed, this authorizes the pennsylvania state police, the u.s. marshals to operate under different rule, which is if they encounter him and he does not surround right then and there and tries to flee or anything else, they are authorized to shoot at him. which normally a fleeing felon unless they've presented a deadly threat to you. but in one he's wanted in
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another and that makes a difference. >> it's frustrating looking at this from a distance because you hear he was sighted, people called police. by the time police got there, he had disappear. how far could he have gotten? >> well, he's made it in leaps and spurts. i mean, he's made it 20 miles from the jail he escaped from. he covered a lot of that distance in the van he stole. and now he is -- he is looking for that opportunity, which is get is there another vehicle i can jump in? did somebody else leave the keys? is there a car running in front of a house or outside a store while someone runs in to get something? and then there's, you know, the need for resources like money? and again that gun is the changing factor here. >> so i mean there's -- the fact that he is armed, that literally changes the rules for engagement for police? >> it does. and, again, if he were a burglar, someone from a nonviolent crime and he was running from police, they wouldn't be able to shoot at a
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fleeing felon according to, you know, the supreme court doctrine on this. but it's two homicides. he's escaped from prison. he's alluded police. he's armed now, and that does change the rules of engagement. and the police have been instructed to that point. john miller, thanks so much. coming up next kim jong-un reportedly on the verge of meeting vladimir putin. russian state media reporting it could happen any hour now. cnn's chief international correspondent christiane amanpour, joins us with her perspective in a moment.t. herere, take mine. (f(farmers mnemonic) the first time you connected your godaddy website and your store was also the first time you realized... well, we can do anything. cheeseca cookies? the chookie! mana all your sales from one place with a partner that always puts you first. (we did it) i'm gonna walk you through everything i eat in a day. not today, sis. unless you plan on orbiting earth,
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later tonight, which would be wednesday in russia. the expected summed still shrouding secrecy about details when and where they'll actually meet. kim arrived in russia today on his armored train. its a rare trip for the leader who rarely leaves his country. we have this new video from russian state media showing kim earlier today when he met with two russian officials. when he met with putin they'll likely make an arms deal and in exchange rush amay offer north korea cash or food or technology. christiane amanpour also celebrating 40 years also at cnn. i want to talk about your 40th anniversary in a moment, but let's talk about what's happening in russia, kim jong-un, vladimir putin meeting. it's extraordinary. >> it is. that is how the united states and allies are framing it. everyone is oh, my goodessness, what's going to happen, is it going to get materially changed,
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the battle plan in ukraine? most people i'm talking to including the british foreign secretary who just stepped down, the defense secretary basically says that the most russia could hope for would be some old weapons systems like 1960s weapon systems and maybe some artillery shells. but it does go to prove and i've heard many senior security analysts say that russia is desperate. it is a long war. there's attrition. there's a huge amount of expenditure of ammunition, and also the ukrainians are hurting. but the idea that russia goes to ukraine or rather to kim jong-un cap in hand to prop up its, you know, imperialistic empire dreamicize a telling sign. >> and what does north korea potentially get out of it? >> it's been said north korea might get money, although i don't know putin -- you know, he's under sanctions. might get technology, maybe missile technology, maybe nuclear submarine technology, that kind of thing. but south korea has said, and i
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think china would say the same thing that, look, please be responsible. north korea is an irrational pariah state which is being sanctioned within an inch of its life, and there's reasons for that. china is not friendly with kim jong-un and obviously north korea and south korea. so they don't want to see this happen. they don't want putin to do this kind of deal. >> what do you make of vladimir putin at russia's eastern economic forum referencing former president donald trump? >> it's a little rich, isn't it? but the fact of the matter is that he did say the trials and the charges are politically motivated. and he went onto suggest it shows america is rotten. well, you know, fine. he's a dictator who doesn't have to address or answer to any judiciary, any independence, any democratic mandate. and of course these dictators and authoritarians they rather like donald trump. he's being quite nice to them,
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and even kim jong-un has met donald trump twice. nothing came of it. and who knows what would have happened if trump had been in office when putin illegally interfered or rather invaded ukraine. and so of course russia doesn't want to see a strong democratic leader, biden, with a strong democratic consensus, nato, and the eu propping up the defense of democracy. >> i've got to talk to you about 40 years at cnn. i mean you started when you were 3, which is incredible. >> it's true because i'm only 40 years old. >> but in all honestly you have always been a journalistic idol of mine. in the early '90s when i was trying to make it overseas, i would see you. i first saw you in somalia. i saw you from afar. i saw you later on. i remember in '94 the exile of
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raul -- and i would look at you from afar and watch what you were doing. >> and then you followed. yes, you did it. >> what is it that keeps you so engaged and so motivated for 40 years? >> well, it is an incredible, incredible adventure, there is no doubt about it. obviously with a platform like cnn which is so powerful as you well know, you've been doing this for 20 years, so congratulations. you know,ia really have an opportunity and not just to tell stories or pursue the truth, but maybe to change things a little bit for the better, maybe to help explain other people to an american audience and to a global audience, maybe even to focus your lens and your story telling to the extent that it might even maybe prod our democratic governments into doing something good like in
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bosnia. how you don't, you know, create any kind of false equivalence factual or moral, bosnia taught me that. and in the end because all of us kept that story, the human story alive, it finally forced the u.s. and its allies to actually come in after yet another terrible marketplace massacre against civilian wheres, to just do a little bombing for 20 days. and i say that not flippantly because they were not bombing people or civilians or soldiers but bombing military placements and stopped the war in 20 days. >> does it ever surprise you what human beings do teach other? >> it's horrifying. i've become used to it. it does surprise me, and i'll never be cynical enough or hardened enough into say, oh, well, that's just the way of the world. but i think my way of making it matter and your way of making it matter is to keep telling the stories and to keep going there
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turning to our top stories of speaker kevin mccarthy's launching of an impeachment inquiry into president biden. as we mentioned one of the reasons speaker mccarthy is choosing not to hold a vote whether to have an impeachment inquiry is by all accounts according to cnn he doesn't have the votes to really open one. a faction of his own party, a vocal minority in the house pushing to use a mechanism to impeach the sitting president despite a failure so far to find any evidence actually lichking him to a crime. my next guests are two harvard professors in 2018 wrote a best-seller about how democracies die. their new book, "tyranny of the minority" is out now. i'm joined now by -- daniel, what do you make of speaker mccarthy's decision to launch an impeachment inquiry into president biden particularly because it's at the behest of the very vocal minority?
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>> he's being pressured by the most radical wing of his party. i think it shows something we've seen time and again the republican party is radicalized. i mean this is a political party for most of its history was fully committed to democratic rules and norms, and the party has radicalized over the last 20 years. >> you focus on this in the book. how did it happen so fast? >> well, it's been a long time coming. i think two big things i think are driving this. number one, over the course of the last 50 years american society has transformed dramatically. it's become a very diverse society. the republican party has not changed. i mean it's still fundamentally throughout the early 2010s and after the obama era of ae a ver society. the republican party has not changed. i mean it's still fundamentally throughout the early 2010s and after the obama era of aite par increasingly diverse society. it has two big consequences. it makes it harder for the republican party to build majorities, because as society
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becomes more diverse and the party has this kind of hard core white core to it, it makes it hard to win elections. and second of all, it means a lot of the voters, not all republican voters obviously but a lot of republican voters are fearful of the changes coming to american society. this is big thing i think propelling the radicalization of the republican party. >> you write in the book january 6th kevin mccarthy was among the republican leaders who represented what you call the biinality of authoritarianism. you write they didn't actively seek to undermine democracy. prioritize career goals over its defense. do you think mccarthy is still doing that? >> i think so. really to be committed to democracy, a politician committed to democracy you have to follow three basic rules. number one, you have to accept election results win or lose. number two, you have to not use violence to try to gain or hold onto power. and number three, and this is really critical if you're a party leader or politician, you have to distance yourself from
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allies who engage in those first two behaviors. so when you violate that third principle, we call this a semiloyal politician. you essentially are allowing your career interests to motivate you in a way you overlook violations of democratic rules and norms. >> some republicans watching this will say aren't there plenty of democrats who care? >> these are criteria that applies anywhere in the world. to be a democrat, committed to democracy you have to follow these three basic rules. our concern when we look at american politics today we see more violations on the side of the republican party, but these are certainly criteria that can apply to any -- >> in your opinion can a democracy survive if it doesn't follow -- if one major party doesn't follow those three principles? >> when we look throughout history at the break down of democracies, certainly when people engage in violence this is problem. one of the crucial determinants whether democracy survives or not is whether or not the main stream act as semiloyal
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democrats or act as committed to democracy? and they don't distance themselves or the main stream politicians and parties don't distance themselves, that's what's got the party in trouble. >> if one major party is not committed to playing by rules of the game, democracy is in serious trouble. >> so why is it that -- you write now that the constitution now protects and empowers an authoritarian minority. how so? >> the u.s. senate, if you go back to 1996, it takes three elections to fully renovate the senate, right? we elect a third of the senate each year, so if you take a three election period over six years, going back to 1996, the democratic party has won the popular vote for the senate in every six-year period from 1996 to 2000, and yet the republicans have controlled the senate for almost half that time. the democratic party has won
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popular vote for the presidency in every election except for one since 1988, and yet the republican party has controlled the presidency for nearly half the time. that is minority rule. 2016 just to be a little more concrete. the democrats won the popular vote for presidency. the republicans won the presidency. the democrats won the popular vote for the senate, the republicans won the senate. and that president who lost the popular vote from that senate that dchbt represent a majority of americans, went onto nominate three supreme court justices and create the supreme court -- the conservative supreme court majority we see now. that -- i can't think of another term other than minority rule. >> so to someone listening to this who hears you and thinks, well, these guys want to change the constitution to protect democrat and to enshrine democrats in power, what do you say? >> it's not partisan to think the person who wins the most votes should win office. and so, you know, we have an
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electoral college today that allows the loser of popular elections to win the presidency. >> in other democracies this is not the case. >> every democracy in the world has gotten rid of its electoral college. we're the last democracy in the world with a electoral college. >> there are people out here who despair, what if is the hope? >> at the end of the book we propose 15 different ideas to make our constitution and democracy more democrat. >> just democrat, small "d." >> small "d" democratic. >> another reason for optimism, we argue in the book that one of the main reasons we're in this really heavy political storm right now is that the country's undergoing a transition to what we call multiracial democracy. and the radicalization of the republican metre fundamentally is -- is a product of the fact that the party is out of step with this -- with new america that's emerging in the 21st
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century. >> you believe that's what set the cord. >> that's what set the cord of the republican party's radicalization, but that is going to change. if you look at younger generations, particularly millennials, gen-z, they are much more inclined to embrace two fundamental pillars of multiracial democracy, accepting toleration and supporting racial equality. those two principles which seem pretty basic are much, much more intensely felt and embraced by younger americans, which gives me hope we're going to eventually get through this storm and become really one of the world's first truly multiracial democracies. >> steven, daniel, thank you. appreciate it. just ahead a bird's-eye view of hurricane lee still a category 3 hurricane that has the potential to hit the northeast in the coming days. gary tuchman joins us from a u.s. plane tracking it next. ot g with cpap anymore. all l that rest is working wonders for him.
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and rip currents at beaches across the southern u.s. coast. the storm has been growing in size since the weekend. it's currently expected to turn toward the north on thursday and increase in speed. a lot of uncertainty right now about whether it could hit the northeast u.s. our gary tuchman joins us by phone. he's aboard a noaa plane tracking the storm. so gary, what have they been seeing up there? >> reporter: well, anderson, right now we're in hour seven of an approximately eight-hour flight aboard a noaa gulfstream 4. 11 seats aboard this jet. it's essentially a flying weather station, anderson. we're nearing the end of a 3,287-mile flight that has taken us above hurricane lee, around the hurricane and sometimes below it. what the scientists aboard this plane see is a very large storm but they are telling us it is quickly losing its ability to strengthen. the winds are expected to slowly diminish as the week goes on. they're telling me while it's a category 3 it's a struggling category 3 but because it's so
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large it increases the danger because of its huge wind field. we're watching now amidst turbulence as scientists drop airborne sensors known as dropsons to a hole in the bottom of the jet called a launcher. the sensors go through the launcher, measure temperature, humidity, wind speed, wind direction and barmtdric pressure. that information is evaluated and is a major component to the national hurricane center updates. anderson? >> can you just talk about what it's like to be on a mission like this? because obviously you're flying above hurricane lee. you're not -- i assume you're not kind of jostling about. >> reporter: well, we are still jostling. that's what's interesting. we're just about 30 miles away from the hurricane high. and as we circled around lee 400 miles north of puerto rico, the turbulence was consistent and sometimes intense but not as intense as another hurricane hurpt plane that is used for p-3. that p-3 goes through the eyewall. that plane's lower altitude
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