vices today. new details tonight on the team behind the capture of that escaped killer in pennsylvania. including yoda, the police dog. officials say that the canine was quay in the takedown of danelo cavalcante, saying that he bit cavalcante's head and lower body as the police were moving in to capture time tonight. you can join laura coates for a special edition tonight manhunt

capturing a killer. meantime, thank you so much for joining us in this hour. cnn primetime with abbey philip start right now. do you think your dog could do that? >> i don't want to find out, but yoda looked really proud of himself. he did a good job. thanks, kaitlan. >> bye. >> i'm abby philip. right now, joe biden is not the strongest candidate for the presidency, the evidence is right there in front of us. the majority of democrats think he is too old and they want another candidate. the the clock ticks toward the election, does the president still have the support among the people who got him to the white house in the first place? in moment i'll speak with the man who propelled biden to the nomination be the presidency, jim clyburn, but first, one of biden's weaknesses according to experts is his number two, vice president kamala harris. her numbers aren't great either. a poll from over the summer

showed half of voters have a negative view of harris. that's one of the lowest ratings for that poll. among democrats she is more popularing but listen to house speaker nancy pelosi earlier tonight right here on cnn. >> is vice president kamala harris the best running mate for this president? >> he thinks so, and that's what matters. >> do you think she is the best running mate, though? >> she's the vice president of the united states. people say to me, why isn't she doing this or that? because she's the vice president. that's the description. >> that's not exactly a loud endorsement, but it is worth noting, harris, the first black woman to serve as vice president sustained unusual and relentless attacks from republicans. if you listen to the candidates who are running on the republican side you would think they're running against her and not biden. >> a vote for joe biden is a vote for kamala harris.

>> i think i would look for somebody who in every quality, i'd go down the list of kamala harris, we'd pick the opposite. >> if you want the hear the scariest word on any screen in the country, kamala harris is ready to be your president. that should scare the dickens out of all of us. >> if we muff this one and biden gets in again, heck, you may end up with kamala as president. >> look, i think joe biden and kamala harris are going to be the great unifier of the republican party. >> i pray every night for the good health of joe biden, not only because he's president, but look at who the vice president is. >> everyone knows if kamala harris becomes president we're in serious trouble of losing your country. >> joining us now, james clyburn of south carolina. he's the campaign cochair for the biden/harris 2024 re-election campaign. congressman, thank you for being here today. >> thank you very much for

having me. >> as everyone knows you are one of president biden's biggest political allies and he is now facing a lot of questions about whether he should move forward in this campaign. is he the right candidate for democrats in 2024? >> well, i certainly think so. a lot of people question whether or not he was the right candidate back in 2020. you may recall the first three races did not go well, first three contests. but on the fourth time was the charm, and he went on to win all the races on super tuesday. maybe not quite all, but very, very close to it. super tuesday was over, it was a foregone conclusion he would be the nominee. joe biden has had the history of that sort of thing, running against an encumbent at the age

of 29 and defeating him. nobody gave him a chance then. nobody gave him a chance in 2020, and here he is the president of the united states and now they're questioning him again. i think he's going to be fine. >> you might be selling yourself a little short there. in your role in helping him even get to super tuesday by endorsing him just before the south carolina primary. but i wonder, have you spoken to the president about all of this, the growing calls for him to step aside for the good of the party and the good of the country? >> well, you know, i have not talked to him about that. we talked before, even on this trip, and he left a message the night before he left, but we have not talked in the last three or four days. i'll talk to him real soon and i'll tell him what i'm telling you, and that is what i'm hearing from people who really matter in these things, they are

all sold on his re-election. and i know the pundits are there and the people are writing. i saw the op-ed this morning -- or the editorial. i still feel that joe biden is much closer to the voters than most of these people in the ivory towers. >> last fall, the house democratic leadership, including yourself -- you made a decision to basically pass the torch to a trio of new younger leaders. should president biden do the same on the principle that maybe the time has come for the next generation to take a step up? >> well, i think he is passing the torch. he is being transitional. he said that when he ran. the question is what the timetable is. people are trying to tell him what his timetable should be. he never said that he would be anything but a transitional

president. >> congressman, one of the other elements of this, and you just referenced the column that called on biden to step aside. it also referenced vice president kamala harris saying that her low approval ratings should be a factor here. should biden consider, as some of these democrats and liberals are suggesting, should he consider another vice presidential pick? >> no, he should not. i think vice president kamala harris has done a great job. people want her in her first term, first two years, to be the kind of vice president that joe biden was in his sixth and seventh year of his vice presidency. everybody gets a learning curve in this business. you aren't born a united states congressman. you aren't born a vice president. you have to learn the job. she got elected.

she has learned the job. she is doing the job efficiently and effectively, and she cannot and should not be held responsible for her gender or her race. and too much of that is involved in these discussions. >> i want to play for you what former speaker nancy pelosi said just moments ago on cnn. >> is vice president kamala harris the best running mate for this president? >> he thinks so, and that's what matters. >> do you think she is the best running mate, though? >> she's the vice president of the united states. people say to me, why isn't she doing this or that? i say, because these the vice president. that's the job description. >> so congressman, just to point out, she did stop short of a full endorsement. you brought this up about the learning conservative. republicans right now are running on the idea that vice president harris may have to

step in if president biden wins a second term. they're trying to use that against her. what you say in response to what you heard from speaker pelosi there be and also the idea that republican say there is no time for a learning curve? >> a learning curve has already taken place. i said, she spent her first two years learning this job. she's learned it well, and she's doing it efficiently and effectively, and that's what matters to me. and that's what i think she's doing. >> and on speaker pelosi's comments there? >> i have no comment on that. i just said what i feel, and that's what i stand by. >> congressman, while i have you, i wanted to get your reaction to the house republican impeachment inquiry, alleging what they're calling a culture of corruption involving president biden and his family. what do you make of the fact that it seems that speaker mccarthy is planning to move

forward with this without even holding a vote on an impeachment inquiry? >> well, i think he's not holding the vote because he doesn't have the votes and the fact of the matter is he may not need the votes in order to start this process, but he has to have the votes, you know, to end it. i don't think there are people -- 218 people in the house of representatives who feel that a person -- a president in this instance, should be impeached for being a father. and that's all that's taking place here. a man who's being a father to his son. and there is nothing else that connects him to this issue than being a father of the son who's being accused. >> all right, congressman james clyburn, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you, very much for

having me. and now on to a couple of democrats and two different views of president biden's chances. former senior adviser to hillary clinton felipe ryanus and cochair for bernie sanders '2020 presidential campaign, nina turner. felipe, is joe biden really the only person who can beat a donald trump in 2024? >> i think what's funny about this conversation is that the same question was posed to us in 2020 and the answer was a resounding yes, he is the one to beat donald trump, and he's the only one. and it was decisive. i mean, once biden won't south carolina -- >> you mean democratic voters were redesacrificive in think he was the best candidate. >> that seems to have changed though. >> i think what hasn't changed is democrats' skittishness about this stuff.

the same reason they wanted joe biden to win in 2020 because they wanted donald trump out, there's the same nerves kicking in now because people are desperate to make sure donald trump doesn't get in now. >> nina, i want to bring you in now. there an argument being made here that there is time to choose a different nominee if you're a democrat. maybe there is, maybe there isn't, but who would be an alternative realistically if democrats did not have biden at the top of the ticket? >> well, if the process was open and fair, we would see, and because it's not open and fair, we can't see. and obviously we have an encumbent president right now, so the dnc will not allow for any debates. but there are two candidate running now trying to win the democratic nomination, and that's marianne williamson and robert kennedy jr. and dr. cornell west running as a

green candidate. many governor types that would step into this race in congress will not step into this race because of encouplumbent si andw they'll crash and burn with the democrats who control the levers of power in 2020. as i remember until people who were even ahead of senator biden before he became -- or vice president biden before he became the president got out of the race and jumped in on his side. so it wasn't decisive early on in that primary about which democrat could have actually won. senator bernie sanders could have won and would have beaten donald trump, but we will never know because the levers of power played it a different way. >> sorry, abby -- i have to speak for myself. i'm older than 35. i'm a naturalized american citizen, and i've lived in the united states for the previous 14 years. there is nothing stops me from

running for president right now against joe biden or against, for that matter, in the republican field or as a third party candidate. i don't think there's anything stopping nina. so without relitigating the dnc fix thing of 2016, i think right now if a governor or member is not running because they're worried about getting shellacked by the president, then that person probably shouldn't be president. >> but that's not the reason why they're running. you and i both know the reason they're not running is because they don't want to be shutout. they don't want to become a pariah. if they run against the encumbent president, the full weight of the dnc and others will come down on those candidates. those are the reasons why they are not running. and abby, another point, in that cnn poll it showed clearly that 67% of those polled, democratic voters and democratic leaning voters want to democratic party to have another nominee, another choice. but yet those in the bubble

refuse to listen to what the people have the say. >> hold on, those 60-something percent were listened to in 2020, and whether you want to call it early dominating by the current president or later, they vote for joe biden, too, so to act as if they had no say in this is wrong. >> let me jump in here. i do wonder, felipe, one of the things that's happening among democrats is it seems like there are democrats talking about this privately. i have had those private conversation. and they don't want to talk about it publicly. the david ignatius column is making a big splash because he's saying the quiet part outloud, which is what democrats accuse republicans of being able to do. i'm wondering -- this is the conversation that your own party is having, but no one wants to take it seriously. >> i have this conversation with friends and it drives me crazy when they bring it up, when they

talk about biden's health, biden's age. you know, gina ray mondo would be a better number two. i want to throttle them. but i take a step back and i ask them, walk me through how it would go differently. you don't want so and so at the top of the ticket or bottom? who's the alternative? yes,s the a chatter class -- >> this is bigger than -- >> go ahead. >> this is really bigger than chatter class. this is what we have to wrap our minds around. the american people are being polled. they are being asked the question. now, folks in the bubble want to pretend that it's just the chatter class, but no, it's big mama and big papa in the hoods around this country, whether they're rural, urban, or suburban who have questions about the president's age, health, and economy. and they're right to ask those questions. >> absolutely. >> what the democratic party must do is not dismiss what they're asking but to prove that

this president deserves another term. >> they absolutely have the right and responsibility to ask, but they also need to listen to the answers. >> to whose answers? yours? >> the truth of the matter is joe biden is 80 and donald trump is 77. we can argue about whether that should be the choice between the two people, but that's what's going to be in front of us. if your father is 80 and your mother is 77 you didn't say dad marry a younger girl. we had one president who came within an inch of his life to covid. we have another one who walks with a different gait. what we see is what we get. he doesn't go and do cart wheels. it's an anxiety. it might be legit -- >> it is legit. >> you have to be open to hearing the answers. >> it's legit to asking those concerns. the census data shows childhood poverty increased by over 12% over the last year.

that anxiety -- so, if we have poor children, that means we have poor families, poor communities. >> this isn't about -- >> so it's economic anxiety. >> i want to raise one for thing. i'll start with you, nina. we discussed earlier -- heard what speaker pelosi said about the vice president kamala harris. she is factoring into this in a way that is very unusual, nina. what do you make of the fact that voters seem to be less enthusiastic about her, too, and that republicans decided that's going to be the issue they run on here? >> well, republicans are dealing with a cultural war here, and i'll put that in the parking lot. there is no doubt that the vice president is enduring some things that others have not had to endure. one is gender and the other is race. those two factors are true. it is also true there are policy differences. there are policy differences

between republicans and democrats and certainly within the democratic party, those of us who are freedom fighting progressives don't rock well with neoliberals. all those things can be true at the same time, and let us not forget in 2020 the current vice president dropped out of the race because she was not going to win her own state, so it's not as though some of these anxieties are not brand new. they were there when she was running in 2020. but without a doubt, race and gender does play some role. i won't say it's 100%, but it's definitely there. >> all right, thank you both for an interesting discussion. >> thank you. also tonight, new explosive words from mitt romney about his party. plus, vivek ramaswamy pledging to cut a million federal jobs if he's elected and now trump is making his own promises.

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senator in u.s. history to vote to remove a sitting president from the same party. in addition to being a critic of trump, he's criticize some of his republican colleagues. romney cites his own age as among the factors driving this decision for him. >> i do think the times we're living in demand the next generation to step up and express their point of view and make decisions that will shape our american politics over the coming century, and just having a bunch of guys, baby boomers, around the post war era, we're not the ones to be making the right decisions for tomorrow. >> with me now, sofia nelson and george conway. sofia, i feel like we cannot escape this generational issue. in all of these different places.

there's the biden of it all, the romney of it all, the pelosi. mitt romney is saying pretty clearly, it's time for us boomers to move on. >> i agree with him i admit i'm a little sad. i like mitt romney. last time i saw him we were at a fundraiser for liz cheney. george and i were talking that the republican party we knew is kind of different would you say? i think he threw big shade at the president and trump today and said, basically, you guys need to follow suit. but i think the genx, our generation has not stepped up because the boomers have been on the stage for so long and i'd like to see more of us run for office, be in office and, get involved for millennials. so yeah, i agree. >> both of you are -- can i call you republican expats here? >> yeah, kinda sorta.

>> escapees. >> homeless. >> for folks like you, this exit of romney from the stage is a different kind of moment. he made a statement today, he said, a very large portion of my party really doesn't believe in the constitution. that's a pretty strong statement, and then for him to say that and then say, but i'm going to say good-bye, it really almost kind of raises the question, does he feel like he can't continue to fight? >> i think he's right about the generational aspect. there does need to be a new generation in both parties, but it's very, very sad to see him step away and make that statement, which is undeniably true, that so many people now in the republican party -- it's now a personality cult. it's all about the desires and whims and the fear of one man who is basically a sociopath, a

psychopath. and it's stunning to just try to contemplate how this one man has captured an entire party and essentially rendered it devoid of any principle or meaning and turned it into a cult. and romney is absolute -- you look at romney, and he's being very, very reflective here on that in this book, and you see in him a humility and a humanity and a patriotism that is just almost absent now in the rest of the party. >> one of the things i'll never forget about mitt romney is the historic vote for ketanji jackson, and only he and lisa murkowski and susan collins voted for her to be elected. he was clapping and the other republicans were walking out the door angry. that never would have happened

30 years ago. the voting rights act, george walker bush was the last president to sign the extension. his daddy before him signed it. it was never a question. these things would pass 100-0, 90-0. the first black supreme court justice would have got 70 votes on a bad day. now the republicans walk out on history. i don't recognize this party. i think that people like us who do a lot of talking and thinking and analyzing are going to have to step up. i'm definitely interested in doing that a little later down the road. not much later. i think they're going to have to be a new generation of people that come from the party we do that take it back once it's completely ruined, because if donald trump is re-elected, i don't know what's left of the republic to be honest after four years in the republican party's decimated. i just don't know. >> i think the republican party is decimated any way. >> it's on its way there.

>> i think it's there. i think there is little doubt, none in my mind, that a man who has been found -- adjudicated by a u.s. district judge and a jury to be a rapist who is under indictment in four separate jurisdictions, who stole classified documents and committed obstruction, tried to hide them from the government, who -- >> george, it doesn't matter to those people. >> that's the on it, and that's the problem. >> let me play more of romney. i think it kind of speaks to the point you're making here. >> then again on the trump wing of the party i haven't heard policy, other than saying we're going to build a wall, and by the way, he was president for four years. he built 50 miles. what did he get done? tax change. that was paul ryan. that wasn't the biden plan. he had a health care plank remember that? even was going to have low cost health insurance that was fabulous?

never proposed. never saw it. he was in four year. so it's not a policy-centric approach, and if you don't have policy to match your rhetoric, ultimately it's not going to be successful. >> i mean, listen, mitt romney uncut. that's what you're getting now. he's free. he doesn't have to worry about a re-election. probably would have been primaried by some maga person in utah. mike lee wouldn't have loved him too much, because he didn't endorse him in the last race. and i think he's tired. again, saw him at the liz cheney event we did for her in northern virginia, and you can see it. he's tire ofd of fighting. he's a good man. good human being. i hate to see him leave the stage, but i get it. >> this conversation often centers around, sit trump? but it's a chicken and egg thing. is it trump or trump voter?

>> it's both. it's a nasty cycle. >> he talked today about what else. is there a third party candidate? no label situation? he has saiding i lobby continuously that it would only elect trump. he's talk about no labels there. and part of it is because the trump voters, the people willing to vote for trump are not necessarily moveable in the way that you would expect. >> they're not persuadable by reason. they're not persuadable by facts. they try to exclude facts and evidence from their own mind. they turn off what they don't want to hear. the man stole classified documents. they don't want to believe that. so they just ignore it. they -- they -- it's just a complete abdication from realtime. >> but abby, i think we have to dig deeper as a country and ask ourselves, why are we here? that's the discussion we're not

having. i asked you this. i don't have an answer. why would anybody want to elect somebody that has four federal indictments against them and 91 counts? that's irrationalle. something's going on with the country with at least a third 20% of the electorate, they are turned on by this. this excites them. this revenge, this, we're going to wipe out the government. you know, desantis wants to slit throats, he says, on day one. i mean, the rhetoric vivek's rhetoric, it's violent, angry. they're angry, so i think we need to be paying attention to what's going on. >> i have a feeling mitt romney is spending a lot of time thinking about those issues in a broader context, not just about the united states, but about the history of demagoguery and strong men and what that means for this country this particular stage. it's a big conversation. ware not done with it. sofia and george, thank you both

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this video right here is what everyone in southeastern pennsylvania was waiting to see. that is escaped prisoner danelo cavalcante, and he's a convicted murder that is now in police custody, in both handcuffs and leg shackles after all that he has done. he was captured just this morning, ending a two-week manhunt. a deputy u.s. marshall says that cavalcante was planning to carjack someone in the next 24 hours and try to drive all the way to canada, as the system for him intensified. my colleague laura coates is in pennsylvania for her special edition of cnn tonight. you're there on the ground, seeing this landscape firsthand. does it give you a better understanding of how hard it was, why it took so long to

capture this dangerous man? >> reporter: abby, absolutely. the prosecutor in me had to see it for myself. i had been hearing like everyone else had been hearing about a nearly two-week manhunt. how could that be? how could he have eluded for so long? then i see it for myself tonight. i'm talking about pitch blackness around me. but for the lights surrounding me right now, you cannot see more than your hands in front of you in this actual land, and there are so many different areas where someone can actually hide. i sat down and talked to people in a community, an owner of a farm where this was right behind where i am right now, where he was ultimately captured a few hundred yards away, what that was like in that area not only for the community members, abby, to feel terrorized by this person they knew already was extremely dangerous, but also was now armed. how did they find him, where

would he have been. the vast expanse we're talking about from the prison and here, we're a few yards away from the end of the perimeter. that's how close he really was to being outside of where the cops were even looking for him. not just cops. of course talk about what grew into a national manhunt. seeing it for ourselves. we're going to cover i a lot of it tonight. we have the chief detective who was overseeing a lot of this stuff today in this county. we'll talk to him, david sassa about what his experience was, what this was all like, and what it took to capture this extremely dangerous man. >> yeah, it's going to be an extremely fascinating special that you have planned for us tonight. the desperation of this man and the danger people were in in that part of pennsylvania was hard to fathom. laura, thank you so much, and everyone -- capturing a killer is coming up next right here at

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another day, another bold policy proposal from republican presidential candidate vivek rama ramaswamy, and this time it's around the federal work force. here's what he's proposing to do in his first term if he's elected to the presidency. listen. >> it will be a plan that reduces the size of the federal employee head count by over 75% if i'm the next president, by

the end of my first term. 50% of which is implementable by the end of year one. >> i want to bring in former wisconsin republican governor scott walker. he's the president of young america's foundation. governor walker, thank you for being here. i should say, we don't probably as much as i would like, talk about policy, so we're going to do a little bit of that here with you. >> nice. >> this particular one from mr. ramaswamy, even he admits that something like this would be an uphill climb, and i'm sure you're simympathetic to slashin the size of the federal goth, but something like this is it really reasonable to expect him to do something like this? >> we just ended one of our college conferences. i think that's one of the reasons so many young people with intrigued by vi you can's campaign. i think it's a good goal to have. people regardless of party

believe the government's too big, needs to be more accountable to the american public. but you've to have more than a number. you have to have a plan. we did that and many other government at the state level. look at innovation of technology, attrition and retirement. probably the most powerful thing that can be done, and you have to have the legislative branch, in this case the congress involved, and that is taking power of the capitol and sending it back to the people. >> he's talking about just slashing entire parts of the federal government. as you just laid out, that's not even a power that the president has. >> i think that's the key. i think people are interested, but one of the things i've heard not justin this issue, but a number of ideas he's pointed out is they like the concept, but they want to know, what's the plan? particularly for someone who's not been in office before, they don't have something to point to to say, here's how i did it. a governor could say, here's

what i did. believe that going forward. in this case i think there are ways but you're right, you can't just come in and say, unlike the ceo of a company, i'll going to eliminate this entire portion of the company. you've got to have in many cases of congress, an entrenched congress with -- but i think it's powerful and appropriate to point out whether you're a democrat or republican voter, not an elected official, but voters -- i think most people for years i talked about sending power to the states about whether it's education, transportation, health care. i think most of us would rather see those dollars spent in our local communities as opposed to sending the dollars to washington where we get pennies on the dollar back. >> when it comes to these ideas you have ramaswamy talking about foreign policy issues like the war in ukraine and china potentially invading taiwan and saying, i'm going to snap my

fingers and it's going to go away. i'll let russia keep parts of ukraine. i'll let china invade taiwan after a certain point. the simplicity is tempting, i'm sure, to younger voters you talk to, but you're a former elected republican. when you hear things like this, what goes through your mind? >> i think voters expect at the local state and i think at the federal level, we can walk and chew gum. i don't think there's hardly any americans that want to be in another war. we're very cautious of that. you see that on either end of the spectrum, whether it's the republican or democrat side. i think many of us feel frustrated when we look at the dollars spent in europe and around the world, yet we're not doing enough to secure the southern border, which many view as an outright invasion. >> i get all of that, it's just -- >> i was just saying in those cases it's not an either/or

proposition. i heard this on the debate stage in milwaukee where it was an either/or proposition. i don't think it is. there can be things done to address domestic issues, whether it's dealing with what happened in hawaii or elsewhere, and at the same time push back against the pressers like vladimir putin pushed gak against xi jinping. i think actually when it comes to china, when the ccp's involved we've got to open our eye as americans. that's the greatest threat we face in the near future and something that all of us regardless of party should be very concerned about, not just from a military standpoint where the navy's being built up, the ports of entry they're securing around the world, but intellectual property, barging in and invade social media. >> you sound like a candidate yourself in some ways, and the nuance that you're talking about -- >> old habits die hard. >> what you're describing there, you don't really hear that from some of these candidates.

as someone who has also run for candidate yourself, the strategy from a ramaswamy and even from a donald trump when he was running in 2016, was basically to say, i'm going to throw out the thing that seems unlikely to happen, and that's how i'm going to stand out in the crowd. but at the end of the day, even trump came up against the reality of what he could and couldn't do. are >> well, i would think he has taken on some of the same playbook as you just mentioned from me when i stood on the stand next to donald trump. i can see where things happening after that second debate. i joked, i get out before i got -- meticulously where the trend was going. in this case, part of it as it was eight years, ago one of the complaints i have had them as i do, now is with the debate process. i think the process is great for ratings, for the networks, news channels, it is not so

great for the american voters. instead of just fighting a minute or two at a time with three bottles anytime your name comes up, it could be nice to hear from each of the candidates whether it is five, ten, 15 minutes, about how they would actually deal with these complex issues. as we have can see, the last few presidents debating is not a major responsibility of the president united states may meet a -- may beginning things down, and i don't always deal with everything known trump says, but as a conservative are like the vast majority of things he did as president. i think even if he didn't adjust a lot of the primary debates, he learned by putting a lot of people around him in the case to take on those policies and get those things done i would like to hear more of those are some candidates on the stage going forward. >> we will see if we hear more specifics from these candidates. governor scott walker thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure.

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here is how mr landis describe what happened that day to our own jake tapper. >> i heard a loud report that i recognize this coming from a high powered by full. i immediately turned, looked over my shoulder to the sound had come from, and i could not see anything, and i turned quickly. i looked at the president. and president kennedy was leaning a little bit to his left, towards mrs. kennedy. >> i want to bring in cnn's jake tapper. hey, jake, so paul landis with that secret service agent who was in the car directly behind president kennedy's limousine. what did he tell you in this interview that he saw that day? >> well, on dealy plaza he said

he heard three shots, and they came from behind him. and above. and i asked him, do you think there was a second gunman? he said he did not think there was. although in a different interview with a new york times peter baker, he allowed for the possibility maybe there was. but with me, he was more definitive he did not think there was. >> that is really interesting. i think that is one of the big questions that some historians who look at this raised, which was there really isn't a lot of forensic evidence to suggest there was a second gunman. he also in his book reveals this intact bullet in the limousine, and he moved it. here is what he told you. >> i started to put it back, and i hesitated for a moment, i had looked around and the back area, i saw no secret service agents there to secure the car.

and we were getting ready to exit the limo, and i did not want to leave the bullet they are because i was afraid people would start to converge towards the car, a souvenir hunter might see that, or want to have the press taking pictures, or do anything like that. >> and he says he also brought it with him to the hospital. i have to say, jake, that is a very interesting, perhaps a little odd sequence of events. what did you think? >> it was interesting. he said he put it in his pocket, carried it to the hospital, and left it on the examination table where jfk was being treated at the time. the warren commission says the bullet was ultimately found on governor colonies stretcher. so they assume that was a bullet. and that was the single bullet theory for the magic bullet

theory that the warren commission said wind through president kennedy is back out his throat, then hit governor connally in front of him. this has been used to discredited the warren commission's work, the idea that this one bullet, the idea of -- attributed to a prosecutor later a senator. that this bullet would do all of these things, and how crazy is that. this calls into question that single bullet theory, because obviously if that bullet was behind president kennedy, it would not have been the same bullet that would have hit governor connally. it doesn't necessarily change the idea of whether or not there was one gunman, but it does suggest if mr. paul landis account is correct, and to be believed, it does suggest some shoddy nest by the warren commission. and for anybody who knows anything abouthe