commission said wind through president kennedy is back out his throat, then hit governor connally in front of him. this has been used to discredited the warren commission's work, the idea that this one bullet, the idea of -- attributed to a prosecutor later a senator. that this bullet would do all of these things, and how crazy is that. this calls into question that single bullet theory, because obviously if that bullet was behind president kennedy, it would not have been the same bullet that would have hit governor connally. it doesn't necessarily change the idea of whether or not there was one gunman, but it does suggest if mr. paul landis account is correct, and to be believed, it does suggest some shoddy nest by the warren commission. and for anybody who knows anything about the warren

commission, this will not come as a surprise. >> jake, thank you so much for joining us to talk about all of that. >> thanks. >> and thank you for watching cnn prime time. laura coates starts right now. >> good evening everyone. i'm so glad you're here with us tonight. i'm laura coates. welcome to cnn tonight. manhunt, capturing a killer. i have been fascinated by the story, so our, you we will go in depth of the dramatic capture of danelo cavalcante for the one police kept up on him and surrounded him in the woods. i'm right here in pennsylvania where it all went down. a few hundred yards behind me where the escaped murder was captured just after atm. now tonight he is back behind bars for the first time i might add, since august 21st in the pennsylvania state prison in a different county. this time montgomery county. now he has another charge, this time felony escape.

it adds on to the life in prison sentence for the heinous murder of his former girlfriend, in front of her two young children. now you see him in the video shot by cnn, and cbs news philadelphia -- of chester county and chair of the prison board. the story of how they got him is like something out of a hollywood movie. they used heat seeking technology to find him, and there is a four year old canine who ultimately subdued what is called a defined convict here. now police explain how it all went down. >> they were able to move and very quietly, they had the element of surprise. danilo cavalcante did not realize he was surrounded until that had occurred. that did not stop him from trying to escape, he began to crawl through the under brush taking his rifle with him as he went. one of the customs and border

patrol came, had a dog with him, they released the dog. the dog subdued him, and team members from both of those teams immediately moved in. he continued to resist, but was forcibly taken into custody. >> here with me tonight, cnn's brian todd, denis friedman, they have covered this from the very beginning. danny actually broke the news of this capture. i want to begin with you, this has been a fascinating man hunt. first of all, it was a heinous act that was committed that led to his conviction, and lifetime prison sentence. then he broke out, i mean a crab walk on the wall. it took almost two weeks to get him, and here we are right now. he has finally been captured. walk us through what it was like for this enormous law enforcement presence to get this done. >> listen, laura, it was incredibly challenging like you

said. 14, days two, weeks hundreds of officers sweeping different parts of chester county where we are right now. it all went down here. this morning. but it also really started almost 24 hours, ago it was just after midnight in fact when officers got a report of a burglary in this area in chester county. they responded, they did not find cavalcante, but then they got support from above. a fixed wing airplane got a heat signal of what they thought might have been cavalcante. officers started to swarm, but then there is a huge storm last night. the fixed wing airplane had to go down. this was the decision that pennsylvania state police say they, made they kept the tactical teams here. they formed a perimeter really into the area here in the dark of night, and they hailed that perimeter through that storm. i atm, they surprised, him they captured, him and then the canine, the border patrol canine was able to ultimately able to get into these woods right here.

they apprehended cavalcante, bringing this 14-day nightmare to an end. >> you can't overestimate or overstate really how dark it is here, brian. i know we are behind lights, but i had to see it for myself one is that how is this possible that this man has evaded capture all of this time? this is somebody of course who had a warrant outstanding from brazil, he was a brazilian national. so this is the second time, but aside from where we are standing right now, you can't really see in front of your hand very far, and you have dense forest, and all of these places you could hide. talk to me about what he did to try and even survive all this time. >> well you mentioned earlier, this was right out of a movie. compared to the movie the fugitive, that is almost tame compared to this. what he did to elude detection for two weeks, we have new details tonight from robert heart of the u.s. marshals who told cnn earlier tonight, just some of the details that -- from cavalcante in his post capture interview.

he said this to investigators. this is what he said. he said the first two days after he escaped, he hunker down, or he did not move. >> right. he couldn't have gotten too far. he basically hunkered down in place, in one place for a couple days. then, when he did start to move, he survived by drinking stream water, eating a watermelon he found, and by burying his fecal matter so that the law enforcement people could not detect it. so, he did have experience as you mentioned from the 2017 murder where he was being hunted there in brazil. he did have experience hiding in the jungle, it is what we learned earlier from lieutenant colonel -- so he came to this with some knowledge, he came to knowledge of this area. it was really extraordinary, i have never seen a man hunt with this many instances of a fugitive being so close so many times to law enforcement. and to citizens, and people saw

him with eyeballs. they, to a trooper saw him with his own eyes, chased, him he got away. he got away from the guy in the garage use shot him several times and did not hit him. >> right he was close to you at one point. >> he was close to, us we figured out tonight to go when we were doing a live shot, 8:45 at a barn, based on a sighting that a woman has seen him about less than an hour earlier, he was right near where we were. he could have been feet away. as you mentioned, you cannot see ten feet out here. so he was close. >> danny, what was he headed next? >> that is one of the interesting pieces we got from the marshals office, he said cavalcante told investigators today, his next plan was within the next 24 hours, to carjack someone, take their vehicle, and drive up towards canada. i have to say, we have been hearing from investigators for a long time that his plan was

to try and leave the country, and try and get wheels. the two biggest terrifying factors the police had, was getting a weapon, and a car. he stole a dairy van, he ditched, it he got a gun, but he wasn't able to get a car this time because police were able to capture him here. >> it is unbelievable, i have not been here, even in spite of both of your unbelievable reporting, keeping us all informed all this time, giving us so much information, and in many ways quelling things already of the people and community here knowing we are on the ground. so glad to have you both here today. everyone, there's so much more to think about what is happening. by the way, when you think about, and try to understand just how hard this search really was, forget the darkness. i'm talking about how many places there are to hide. i want you to see, when i saw this evening on a farm where police say, they actually saw signs that cavalcante had actually been there. it is right behind where i'm standing everyone.

matthew patterson showed me around, a director of the farming community that is behind us here. >> where do you think he would have been hiding? i'm seeing all these homes, i know there are tenants, but i am seeing stables. is there some thought he was in those areas? that he was fighting? >> absolutely. so, there was a heat signature that was picked up over in this field early this morning. i want to say one a.m. is what one of our tenants was telling me. then down in the lower part of the barn, there is actually a upturned trash can which our tenant did not do, he came out to feed his cows that he feeds every morning. he came out, the trash can is flipped over. he did not do that. nothing missing, and certainly places to hide all over this place. especially down in the section, the access, if he were in the field where they picked up the heat signature, all you need to

do is jump over that fence and certainly you have all these structures to hide in. >> i mean you have open windows, open doors, vehicles that can be used, and you said it was peak harvesting season. you have food. >> yes, we have a lot here. we have pretty much everything. >> he would have had access to food, apples -- >> there is apples in this barn. >> he had a food source over here. >> if he knew where to look. if you start to line the pieces, up yes. >> just over here -- >> this is where the trash can is. >> show me where it is. >> you can see, if he heard the helicopters, you can hide underneath all of this. there certainly places to hide away back here. >> just thinking about -- >> i am actually getting freaked out. >> it is freaky to think about. the areas he would have had,

even areas like this to hide behind. inside here, lucas dark that is in their. is this old farm equipment? >> yes. >> so if you are helicopter trying to go over here, you are not seeing anything. >> and we have multiple structures like this. >> there are tenants, but no one would have been in there. so he had potentially anywhere he wanted to hide. >> yes, it was a free-for-all, that is why it was so scary here. this is the overturned trash can. so when our lieutenant officer has these, but he said i did not do that. so it is freaky to think about. that is the surreal part. you see these pieces almost every day things you walk past that you would never think twice, and you are like did i do that? who was in here? and we work with six different members, so people are in and out, we share the space. so did you do that?

did i do that? you would never think. then, you are thrown in the situation where did i put all of the pitch forks away, is there anything that can be used for a weapon? they are just everyday tools. they tended to use them. >> and no light? i see light bulbs, but i mean, if you do not want these, on this is going to be pitch black. and if you see here, where the hate naturally is, you look at this anomaly and not thing for one second there is something underneath here. >> now i want to bring in david, he is the chief county detective for chester county pennsylvania. david, this is pretty unbelievable. we have been captivated by what we have seen. i mean, we learned officers nearly stepped on cavalcante three times. law enforcement, they brought in so many resources. i just cannot wrap my mind about how do you tackle the

problem, not just the scope, and the sheer breath of the area, but how many places this man would have had to hide. >> good evening, laura, thank you for having me back on. yes, this was a lot of challenges in this investigation and search. and when we spoke -- long forsman for 35, years i have never been a part of an investigation of this magnitude of this man hunt. at one point we had over 500 federal, state, county, and local law enforcement working. and, working together, with a plan, and most of the credit goes to lieutenant colonel -- he directed, us and with the leadership we put together a tactical plan, and investigative plan behind mr. cavalcante which we did. >> you know, i find it so fascinating, you know, many

people who would have escaped a person would never have known how to do that. let alone, how to survive in the elements, in the extreme heat, in the cold at some point in time. you see i have a jacket on. it is not warm here. last week we had a heat wave occurring as well. he had to turn to survival tactics that he was able to use and implement in order to evade capture. he was eating watermelon, he was covering his waist, i mean what does it take to survive and state hidden out here? thinking about what was going through his head and what was technically planned? >> yes so we thought through all that stuff, we had all that information from his arrest. i was there when the murder happened, one of the first detectives to respond to that scene. i was involved in that investigation and prosecution the whole time. and you know, he was resourceful. he did the things he knew he could do.

he wanted to shelter in the woods, and we had found that information before when he was in brazil. and he did things that he was comfortable with. he moved at night, he told our investigators that at some points he stayed still for a day, a day and a half. yes, he told us at some points, the tactical teams walked past him, and you had mentioned there went through some of that bush, that area i know well used to work on, and i spoke to a lot of the tactical, team and they told me in the report, they are in there for five feet apart, and they cannot see each other. that is how thick it is at some point and with the terrain. and the hills, just everything in that area was tough, challenging. we were committed. we had a team, and to watch this team get together and work,

it was one of the most amazing things i have been a part of. >> first of, all i'm so glad you mentioned, because we can really not lose sight of why this man was considered extremely dangerous. what he did to his mother of two young children. in front of her two young children can not be dismissed. this was 38 times she was stabbed in front of her children i might add. that is why he was not only arrested, but convicted and sentenced to life in prison without parole. and that cannot get lost when we talk about the danger of this person. but it got exponentially more dangerous of course when we knew that he was now going to be armed. and apparently, he even planned to hijack a car in the next day or so after doing all he has done right now. i mean how much more dangerous could this have gotten if he had managed to escape this parameter. this area. and made this a national issue. >> so we were always concerned

that he might get a weapon or hurt somebody. that is the reason we had a tactical investigative plan and using all of the resources, that you had mentioned earlier. we had every type of resource and a lot of sophisticated equipment. to help find him. and that was a part of our plan. and it worked. we got him in a certain area. we came close a couple of times where he was able to allude us. and you, right that murder was horrific. what he did showed no emotion. i watched that trial. i was in that trial. i watched him show no emotion. he did not apologize. the jury came back in 15 minutes after hearing that case. in 15 minutes and convicted him of first-degree murder. and that is how horrific this crime was. to see a week later, him escape the way he did was shocking to me. we gathered our support, called

all of our agencies and we put a plan together. and did not stop working 24 hours a day. i have to tell you the, level of dedication of the men and women. every agency, particularly the tactical operators. it is hard to describe here in words what they did. 12 hour shifts in the woods, with all of their tactical gear, never once did they complain. ever about the mission, you're focused. and they wanted to capture him safely and make sure none of the citizens were injured or put in jeopardy. the county, it was unnerving for a lot of people. not only in the county, my phone rang off the hook the whole time. where is he, is he close, when are you guys going to get him. is it safe to go here. the fear of the unknown was a hard for a lot of people. but the men and women part of

this investigation, particularly the leadership of the agencies, the state police, the federal agencies, the county agencies. we stayed on the same page with the same mission. and we ultimately were able to take him into custody without firing a shot and injuring anybody. david, it cannot be underscored enough, what you've just said i will talk to a woman who had her three year old daughter. and the same area where this man was likely captured. 100 yards away. schools were closed in this area, people were afraid for their lives. why, because the real unknown was what would a man who had nothing to lose do to stay not captured. thank you so much for joining us. tonight we've got a lot more to come this very hour. because i'm still asking the question, what did it take to bring this man hunt to an end. and you keep hearing me mention this. i'm not talking about star wars, i'm talking about a police dog

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>> this is cnn tonight. manhunt, capturing a killer. i'm laura coates in pennsylvania. we're conductor murder and yellow color contour is not behind bars after a two-week man hunt. here with me are the experts. cnn law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe. former fbi deputy director. charles ramsey, former philadelphia police commissioner. and chief of police in washington d.c.. gentlemen, i have been looking at this from a prosecutorial angle but, you guys know what it's like to be on a man. to try to find somebody, to

find the elusive but haystack. you did a couple, times today they got him. >> incredible day for law enforcement. a great moment of validation for the team they have put together. there is a lot of things that i'm really sure are going through your mind as well today. chief. but the intensity of having to work in issue like this. from the second it starts, you know you are on the brink of a major crisis. if you do not find this person, the chances, are whatever they, do whatever sort of violence or mayhem they wreak on the community. or the individuals in it, you feel responsible. that's on you. so lot enforcement is working with the clock ticking over their heads. knowing that we have got to stop this person before they do something terrible. absolutely the case here. and that we already know has killed two other people. allegedly somebody in brazil. convicted for the murder here. so i just thought that they did a remarkable job. they had a few really unlucky

breaks. he was able to get out of the areas where they thought he was hiding. they were, right he was hiding there. until he was able to slip the parameters. that happens, it is a part of the work. it is unavoidable, it is unfortunate. but today they got to the break they were looking for. >> you race a very good point to. first of all, it is very difficult to try and find somebody who does not want to be found. you add on top of that thick woods and overgrowth and the huge area they had to search. at one point, it was eight square miles. that is awful difficult to do any kind of thorough search of an individual. so i think that what they did was absolutely remarkable. to actually just stay with it and continue to pour in the resources until they were able to finally catch a break. and that was when the burglar alarm went off. put him in a direction.

the thermal imaging that actually picked up a what looks like a person crawling. they figured we may have discussed. they're able to establish a new parameter. we had a very violent thunderstorm here last night. so that plane had to land. so they lost that. but fortunately they were able to pick it up in the morning. and they were able to capture him. i think people just do not appreciate how difficult it is to conduct a search like this. the logistics necessary to be able to have. it's one thing you have five other people, it's another thing to coordinate governor people. >> not just in front of people, you are talking about different entities. and the agencies themselves are autonomous in their own right. you are smiling, you know. how can i help, help right now. this was a coordinated effort. you've both talked about the incredible job of law enforcement. i've got to tell you today, wednesday night quarterbacking makes sense to actually

appreciate and applaud. they were getting criticized day after day for how long it was taking. did it take, i mean the coordination and resources. was this overkill, just enough, what? >> definitely not overkill. in terms of the time it took, it's really a reasonable amount of time. two weeks for a manhunt, for something like this. who is experience that hiding in the woods. hiding in the switch, pitch black. it is not unreasonable it would take two weeks. if they made a mistake anywhere, it was a very minor one. and it was in communication with the public. some of their statements early on were very confident. maybe overly confident. and we have him pinned down a perimeter, we are confident he is, there we are going to be able to find, and things like that. statements of that level of confidence tend to elevate peoples expectations. maybe unrealistically. and i think that is a little bit of what may have been

offset here. but the work they did, and at the time they did it, great job. >> by the way, no one hurt in the process. he himself was bit by police talk. he was injured. but this man with a rifle. he was found with a gun near his body everyone. >> that is one of the biggest concerns throughout this whole process. i thought he probably had a knife. he broke into a house, was stealing food. which kitchen doesn't have a knife. so it would be easy to have a knife, that's one thing. but when he finally got a firearm, that changed everything. because now, that really not only heightens the winners of the officers, putting them in more danger. it puts the community in more danger. because now you know this individual is a fire. and as you said earlier, he is absolutely nothing to lose. here's a guy who's committed to murder, he's already sentenced to life without possibility of parole. you might as well go out in a blaze. there's nothing that would stop that sort of thing from happening.

so that's on your mind. i can't say enough about the courage of the officers to the men and women out there still searching. even though, as we said earlier. you couldn't see five feet away from you and many instances. so, it really took a lot of courage. as far as the time. people kind of believed, it's like tv, where everything is solved in an hour with commercial breaks in between. that's not reality. these things take time. if he had been able to get transportation and help, it would've taken a lot longer. because he would've been out of fear. now you're talking a national search for a fugitive. that's a whole different dimension to it. >> the experts are, here we are learning and picking their brains everyone. andrew mccabe, charles ramsey, stick around everyone. again, i cannot forget, and i do not want anybody to forget, the victim in all of this. her name is debra randle. a mother. and cavalcante was convicted of stabbing her to death in front of her two young children. stay with us.

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all night. until they were not on any more. listening to the scanner just to figure out what is going on. and i tried to get a little sleep with her but my husband he was just up probably like every 30 minutes just looking outside. last night it was a little better. there was literally fbi on our barn roof. so it was a little safer we thought knowing that they were out there. and we did have to be on our toes but that was the only night. the night before that it was like we did not go to bed until probably about 4:00. just because there was so much going on. there was a giant armored trucks driving down the farm road. drones. we had no idea what was going on. >> what was it like to figure out that they were here. they were looking at this area. because the venue was here. >> fbi agents are on your roof. >> surreal. that was a weird one when they came knocking on the door asking for ladders to get on a

roof. to be like on the lookout. it was very weird. and then they left my husband a patch so he feels a part of it. >> he's a part of, it a go. i mean where we are now though, it is so close to where he was captured. >> yeah, it's very weird because we felt like are we being watched? and now those feelings are not totally validated because he was right there. >> you felt like you were being watched? >> yeah, is he in the woods behind us. they were searching the, woods searching the creek. we are like is he, could he be literally right here? it was so eerie to walk around. are they in the woods watching, is he in the woods. and now we are, like he was, he was right up there. >> with me now, pennsylvania state senator. this is her district, state senator thank you for being here with us. i mean this is incredible to think that this happened here. what we are hearing, relative

silence. not what was happening for really weeks now on end. describing that there were fbi agents who were on her roof. just trying to gain that advantage to see what was going on. what is your community feeling at this time? >> i think since saturday, knowing that he has moved into this area. there was tension that had built. in theory tension. sort of just on edge. so sunday morning when i woke up, we learned about a van being stolen and the things that had happened. that this was no longer an hour away from the district 44. but actually, there was an incident on a road that connects to my neighborhood. and so looking at footage of the security camera, a ring camera and seeing four hours the law enforcement circling our neighborhood. it was kind of just surreal. then you are in a mode of what does everybody need?

after school sports, practice. >> what happened with all? that >> it had to eventually be canceled at the last minute. you think about all of this is logistically challenging but then the impact on families, daycare, bus drivers, lost pay. thank you do not think about it immediately when you are looking for somebody who has been very dangerous. so i really do appreciate the coordination of the levels of government and resources sent to the area because tonight people went to sleep a little easier. which is a relief. >> absolutely. there is, that but then this has happened before in that particular facility. but now many members of the community will probably want something done to ensure it does not happen again. are you concerned that precautions have or have not been taken sufficiently to make sure that what has happened here is unable to help again. >> sure, absolutely. we cannot allow those who are

dangerous to be out in our community. so i have not officially, me as a senator visited the prison in chester county. but i have gone to four of the different state correctional institutions. so i am familiar with the security processes. visiting with lifers. and high risk as the phoenix twice for legislative visits. the security there is very tight and so even just watching the video of how the person escaped. the infrastructure at a state prison, even an older one. does not exist for that to happen just based on wall height and a lot of barbed wire. doors that do not open without badges. so it was kind of shocking. it's an area that needs immediate improvement. staffing. all of those things we need to be fixed. which they can be. and i hope that is done very quickly. >> we will talk more about this, next as well, when we talk

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>> escape moderate now being held in a maximum security pennsylvania state prison. but, what changes have been made at the prison he initially escaped from. and how do we know that this will not happen again. joining me now is josh maxwell. chair of chester county prison board. also the chester county commissioner. i'm so glad you are here today. first of all, you had a chance actually to walk the escape route. i am using the term loosely. because the man crab down a wall. made it onto a roof. and we don't know what else really happened there. walk me through what happens next in terms of the escape route. it's a roof? >> yes. so when he crab walks up the wall. we wanted to be transparent, we

thought it was such an unusual escape. he just walked out the front door. so after the crab ox up, he encounters some razor wire. it takes several minutes to work through. he then, i can't give too many details about the additional security measures. >> why can't you? >> one, i'm just not authorized to do so. second, there are still 600 folks in the prison. and we are making investments right now to ensure that there is not any way somebody can follow the revenue arreaga. but >> he had to go through another layer of reason why additional to actually get off of the facility. in addition to climbing the fence. this person had high capabilities. that may be a municipal president is not always set up for. but now we know we have to be set up for those things. so we are going to start making those investments right away. >> you hear raised, where you think how can anybody navigate that. of course it is difficult to see the images of him. we see him when he's captured

and beaten by a dog. the canine. but people wondered about what that was like to get through the razor wire. had there been enough on the roof to stop him. and also, how did he get around the area after that. i know you don't want to divulge, who wants a blueprint for who is actually in the present still. but to talk to me about where he's going next and where he will be. is that more secure than where he has left? >> so he was convicted of murder. so he is on his way to a state facility anyway. >> he always was. after his conviction. the municipal prison like ours will hold inmates for around two years. so he was here in our prison going through his trial. awaiting his conviction. the dea prosecuted herself. the state had 30 days to transfer him up to a state facility. he was about a week into that 30 days. >> what do you now tell people in the area who are learning about this. even the initial means of the catwalk of the escape. i'm calling at the catwalk, i

mean the crowd blocked. not the initial escape. not the first time it's happened. what are you telling people in the community saying to themselves, what we have been through in the last two weeks. not to mention the family of the victim. including her two children who must have been terrorized by all of this. what do you say to the community looking and saying, is there enough to now? i've got to wait to make sure but. we >> have to regain the trust. this is a section where there is not a lot of crime. folks who come here for a quiet life. and i do not expect things like this to happen. mentally or prepared for that. so we are going to make more than 1 million dollars in investments of the prison security. we have the funds to do that. to make an opportunity for those investments.

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