evening, everyone i'm abby philip. right now, joe biden is not the strongest candidate for the presidency. the evidence is right there in front of us. the majority of democrats think he is too old. they want another candidate. as the clock now takes toward the election, does the president still have the support among the people who got him to the white house in the first place? in moments, i will speak with the man who propelled biden to the nomination. and the presidency congressman jim clyburn. one of biden's weaknesses, according to these critics, is his number two, vice president kamala harris. her numbers aren't great either. a poll from over the summer showed half of the voters have a negative view of harris. that's one of the lowest ratings for that poll. among democrats, she is obviously more popular. listen to former house speaker nancy pelosi earlier tonight right here on cnn. >> vice president kamala harris, the best running mate for this president? >> he thinks so. and that's what

matters. >> do you think she is the best running mate? >> she's the vice president of the united states. well, why isn't she doing this or this, she's the vice president. that is the job description. >> that's not exactly allowed endorsement. it is worth noting. the first black woman to serve as price president has sustained unusual and relentless attacks from republicans. in fact, if you listen to the candidates who are running on the republican side, you'd think that they are running actually against her and not biden. >> a vote for joe biden is a vote for kamala harris. i >> would look for someone who in every quality, i would go down the list of kamala harris and we would pick the opposite. >> if you want to

hear the scariest words on any screen in the country, kamala harris is ready to be your president. that scared the dickens out of all of us. >> if we muffed this one and biden gets in again, heck, you might end up with kamala as president. >> look, i think joe biden and harris are going to be the great unify enters of the republican party. >> i want to be clear that i pray every night for joe biden's good health. not only because he's our president, but because of who our vice president is. >> every american knows that if kamala harris becomes president, we are in serious trouble of losing our country. >> and joining me now is house assistant democratic leader congressman james clyburn. south carolina, the campaign co-chair for the biden harris 2024 reelection campaign. congressman, thank you for being here today. >> thank you very much for having me. >> so, as everyone knows, you are one of president biden's biggest political allies. he is now facing a lot of questions about whether he should move forward in this campaign. is he the right candidate for democrats in 2024? >> well, i certainly think so. a lot of people

question whether he was the right candidate back in 2020. you may recall the first three races did not go well. the first three contests. on the fourth time, it was a charm. he went on to win all the races on super tuesday. maybe not quite all. very close to a. when super tuesday was over, it was a foregone conclusion he would be the nominee. joe biden has had a history of that sort of thing. running against an incumbent at the age of 29 and defeating him, nobody gave him a chance then. nobody gave him a chance in 2020. and here he is, the president of the united states. and now there are questions about him again. it's going to be fine. >> you might be selling yourself a little short there. in your role and and helping him get to super

tuesday by endorsing him just before the south carolina primary. i wonder, have you spoken to the president about all of this and these growing calls for him to step aside for the good of the party and the good of the country? >> well, i have not talked to him about that. we talked before he went on this trip. and he left a message the night before he left. we have not yet talked in the last three or four days. i'll talk to him real soon. i'll tell him what i'm telling you. that is, from what i'm hearing from people, who really matter in these things, they are all on his reelection. and i know the pundits are there

the people are writing. i saw the op-ed this morning and the editorial. i still feel that joe biden is much closer to the voters that most of these people who average hours. >> last fall, the house democratic leadership, including, yourself you made a decision to basically pass the torch to a trio of new younger leaders. should president biden do these same on the principle that maybe the time has come for the next generation to take a step up. >> i think he is. he is being transitional. he said that when he ran. the question, is what the timetable is. people are trying to tell him what the timetable should be. he never said that he would be anything but a transitional president. >> one of the other elements o f this, he just

referenced the column that called on biden to step aside. also reference vice president kamala harris saying her low approval ratings should be a factor here. should biden consider, as some of these democrats and liberals are suggesting, should he consider another vice presidential pick? >> no, he should not. i think that kamala harris is doing a great job. people want her in her first term in first two years to be the kind of vice president that joe biden was in his sixth and seventh year of his vice presidency. everybody hits a learning curve in this business. we you have to learn the job. she got elected. she

has learned the job. she is doing the job efficiently. she is doing it effectively. she cannot and should not be held responsible for her gender or her race. too much of that is involved in these discussions. >> i want to play for you what former speaker nancy pelosi said just moments ago on cnn . >> is kamala harris the best running mate for this president? >> he thinks. so that's what matters. >> do you think she is the best running mate? >> she is the vice president of the united states, what people say to, me well, why isn't she doing this or this? she is the vice president. that is the job description. >> so, congressman, just to point out there. she did stopped short of a full endorsement of a president harris. i want to add, that you brought this up about the learning curve, republicans right now are running on the idea that vice president harris may have to step in if president biden wins a second term. they are using that against her and what do you say in response to pelosi there, there is no time for a learning curve? >> the learning curve has taken place. i said she

spent the first two years learning this job. she learned it well and she is doing it efficiently and that's what matters to me. and that's what i think she's doing. >> on speaker pelosi's comments there? >> i have no comment on that. i say what i feel. and that's what i stand by. congressman, well i have, you i want to get your reaction to the house republican impeachment inquiry alleging what they are saying is a culture of corruption involving president biden and his family. what do you make of the fact that it seems that speaker mccarthy is planning to move forward with this without even holding a vote on an impeachment inquiry? >> well, i think he's not holding a vote because he doesn't have the

vote. the fact of the matter, is he might not need the votes in order to stop the process. he has to have the votes in order to end it. i don't think there are people 218 people in the house of representatives who feel that a person, should be impeached for being a father. and that's all that's taking place here. a man who's been a father to his son. there is nothing else that connects him to this issue then being a father of a son he's being accused. >> congressman james clyburn, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> and now on to a couple of democrats and two different views of president biden's chances. former senior adviser to hillary clinton police rhinos, and co-chair for the 2020

campaign of bernie sanders, neatest turner. felipe, let's start with you here. is joe biden really the only person who can be a donald trump in 2024? >> i think what's funny about this conversation is that the same question was posed to us in 2020. the answer was an utter resounding, a resounding yes. he is the one to beat donald trump. he's the only one. it was decisive. once biden won south carolina -- >> democratic voters were decisive. >> yes, yes. >> that seems to have changed though. >> i think that's what haven't changed, democrats skittishness about this stuff. for the same reason people wanted joe biden to win in 2020. they just desperately wanted donald trump out. i think there is the same nerves kicking and now. they are so desperate to make sure donald trump doesn't get back in. >> nina, i want to bring

you in here. there is an argument being made here that there is time to choose a different nominee if you're a democrat. maybe there is, maybe there isn't. who would be an alternative realistically if democrats did not have biden at the top? >> if the process was open and fair, we would see. because it's not open and fair, we can't see. obviously, we have an incumbent president right now for the dnc who will not allow for any debates. there are two candidates running right now to try to win the democratic nomination. that's marianne williamson and robert kennedy junior. and then you have dr. cornell west running as a grand cart party candidate. many of the other types that would step into this race, some members of congress would not step into the race because of the incumbency. they know they would crash and burn with the democrats who controlled the levers of power, just as they did in 2020. i disagree the handwriting was on the wall in 2020, they were not on the won the first contest.

until people who were even ahead of senator biden, vice president biden before he became the president got out of the race and jumped in on his side. it wasn't decisive early on in that primary about which democrat could've actually won. senator bernie sanders could have won. would have beaten donald trump. we will never know. the levers of power played a different way. >> abby, when i'm older than 35. i'm a naturalized american citizen. i've lived in the night states for the last 14 years. there's nothing stopping me for running for president right now against joe biden. against the republican field, a third party candidate. i don't think there's anything stopping nina. without relitigating the dnc fixing of 2016, i think right now, if a governor or member is

not running because they are worried about getting shellaced by the president, that person cannot be president. >> that's not why they're running. unite both know the reason why they are not running is because they don't want to be shut out. they don't want to become a pariah. if they run against the incumbent president, you and i both know the full force and weight of the dnc and others will come down on those candidates. those are the reasons why they had not run. another -- in that cnn poll, it shows very clearly that 67% of those polls, democratic voters, democratic-leaning voters, want the democratic party to have another nominee. another choice. yet those in the bubble refused to listen to what the people have to say. >> 60 something percent were listened to in 2020. whether you want to call it early dominated by the president or later, they voted for joe biden to. to act as if they had no say in this is

wrong. >> let me jump in here. one of the things about what's going on here, with the democrats. it seems like there are a lot of democrats, talking about this privately. i've had thos e private conversations. they don't want to talk about it publicly. david ignatius column is making such a big splash, he saying the quiet part out loud. which is what a lot of democrats accused republicans of being unwilling to do. so, felipe, i guess i'm wondering. this is the conversation that your own party is having, but nobody seems to want to take it seriously. >> look, i have this conversation with friends. it drives me crazy when they bring it up. when they talk about biden's health, biden's age.

gino armando would be a better number two. i want to throttle them. i take a step back, i asked them. walk me through how it would go differently? you don't want someone so as the top -- who's the alternative? yes, it's a chatter class constancy. >> this is really bigger than the chatter class. this is what we have to wrap our minds around. the american people are being polled, they are being asked the question. folks in the bubble because wanted it -- pretended to -- big moment big pop in the hoods, whether it's raw, urban russell bourbon, who have questions about the presidents age, his health, of the economy. it's their right to ask those questions. what the democratic party must do is not dismiss what they're asking, but to prove that this president deserves another term. >> they actually have the, right and responsibility to ask, they also need to listen to the answers. truth of the matter is -- >> two answers? yours? >>

the truth of the matter is, joe biden is 80. donald trump is 77. we should already about whether that should be the choice between the two parties, that's what's gonna be in front of us. if your father's 80, and your mother 77, even say dad maryland or woman. these are the same people. when it comes to health, we've had one president who came within an inch of his life to covid. another one who walks with a different gate. and what we see is what we get. it doesn't go and do cartwheels behind the scenes. it's an anxiety. it might be legit, -- >> it is legit. >> people have to be open to hearing the answers. it's legit. don't you agree? it's legit for them to ask those kind of concerns. >> absolutely. >> the census data shows right on the childhood poverty has increased by over 12%. over the last year. that anxiety, so, if we have poor

children, we means we have poor families. that means report communities. >> let me just i want to raise one more thing for both, we'll start with you, nina. we've discussed earlier, we heard what speaker pelosi said about the vice president, kamala harris. she is factoring into this in a way that is very unusual. nina, what do you make of the fact that voters seem to be lessened through siesta key about her to? and that republicans have decided that's gonna be the issue that they run on here? >> republicans are dealing with a culture war here. i'll put that in the parking lot. there is no doubt that the vice president's enduring some things that others have not had to endure. one is gender, the other's race. those two factors are true. and, it is also true, there are policy differences. policy differences between republicans and democrats, certainly, policy differences within the democratic party. those of us who are freedom fighting progressives don't rock well with neoliberal's.

those things, all of those things, can be true at the same time. let us not forget, in 2020, the current vice president had to drop out of the race because she was not going to win her own state. it's not as though some of these anxieties are not brand-new. they were there when she was running in 2020. without a doubt, race and gender to play some role. i want it on the percent, definitely there. >> all right, felipe rightness and nina turner, thank you both for interesting discussion. >> thank you. >> also tonight, a new explosive words from senator mitt romney about his own party. as he announces his retirement from the senate. plus, vivek ramaswamy pledging to cut 1 million federal jobs if he's elected. now, trump is making his own promises. and, a bizarre scene during the capture that escaped inmate as crews had him strike a pose. laura coaches on the ground there in pennsylvania, that's ahead. ♪ ♪ ♪

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his republican colleagues, for their blind little t to that former president. in his populist demagogue message. romney states his own age as among the factors driving this decision for him. >> i do think that the times we're living in demand the next generation to step up. and express their point of view. and make the decisions that will shape our american politics over the coming century. and just having a bunch of guys who are around the baby boomers, go around in the postwar area, we're not the ones to be making the decisions for tomorrow. >> with me now, cnn opinion writer, sophia nelson, and conservative lawyer, george conway. sophia, i feel like we cannot escape this generational issue. and all of these different places. there is the biden of it all. the romney of it all. the pelosi. mitt romney is saying pretty clearly, it's time for us boomers to move on. >> i agree with him. i admit, i'm a little said. i like mitt romney, last time i saw him, we were at a fund-raiser for liz cheney before she lost her primary. and george and i go way back,

we were talking about this in the green room. the republican party we new is kind of different, would you say? it's changing so, i think romney is correct on the generational issue. i think he threw big shade at the president, and in trump today, basically, you guys need to follow suit. i do think that gen x, our generation, has not really stepped up just yet. the boomers have been on the stage so long. i would like to see more of us run for office and be in office and get involved as well as millennials. >> george, estonia would saying, both of you, can i call you republican ex pats. >> yeah, kind, of sort of. >> for folks like you, this exit of romney from the stage is a different kind of moment. and he made a really bold statement today. he said, a very large portion of my party really doesn't believe. in the constitution. that's a pretty strong statement. for him to say that in and say,

but i'm gonna say goodbye. it really almost raises the question, does he feel lucky can't continue to fight? >> well, i think he's right about the generational aspect. there does need to be a new generation. in both parties. but it's very, very sad to see him step away and make that observation. which is undeniably true. that so many people now in the republican party, it's now a personality cult. it's all about the desires and whims in fear of one man, who is basically a sociopath. a psychopath. and it's stunning to just try to contemplate how this one man has captured an entire party, and essentially, rendered it void of any principle or meaning.

and turned it into a cult. and romney is absolutely, in, oh you look at romney, he's being very, very reflective here on that. in this book. and you see in him a humility and humanity and a patriotism that is just almost absent now. >> one of the things on never forget about mitt romney, the historic vote for ketanji jackson. and only he, lisa murkowski, and susan collins voted for her to be nominated. and he was clapping, and other republicans were walking out the door angry. that never would've happened 30 years ago. the voting rights act passed george walker bush was less president to sign the voting rights act extension. his daddy before him signed it. it was never a question. these things would pass 100 to nothing, 92 nothing, the first black female supreme court justice would've gotten 70 votes on a bad day. now, it's barely, the republicans walk out on history.

i don't recognize this party. i think that people like us into a lot of talking and thinking and analyzing, organize to step up. i'm definitely interested in doing that. a little bit later down the road. not much later. but i think they're gonna have to be a new generation of people that come from the party we do, that take it back once it's completely ruined. because of donald trump as reelected, i don't know what's left of the republic to be honest after four years and republican parties decimated. i just don't know. >> i think the republican party is decimated anyway. >> it's on its way there now. >> i think it's there.

because i think there is little doubt, under my mind, that a man who has been found, adjudicated by a u.s. district judge and jury to be a, who is under indictment in four separate jurisdictions, stole classified documents and committed obstruction to try to hide them from the government. >> georgia, doesn't matter. >> that's the point. that's the problem. >> let me play a little bi t more from romney, i think it speaks to the point you're making here. >> again, on the trump wing of the party, i haven't heard policy. other than saying, we're gonna build a wall. by the, way he was president. he was president for four years. he built 50 miles. what did he get done? well, about the tax change. that was paul ryan. that wasn't the biden plan, he did it, of course, he had health care plan. remember that? that was ever gonna have low-cost health insurance. it was fabulous? never proposed. never saw it. he was there for years. so, it's not a policy-centric approach, and if you don't have policy, to match your rhetoric, ultimately, it's not gonna be successful. >> i mean, listen, mitt romney uncut.

that's what you're getting now. he's free. he doesn't have to worry about a reelection. he probably would've been primaried by some mega person in utah, right? mike lee probably would not have loved him too much, he didn't endorse him in the last race. i think he's tired, again, liz cheney event that we did for her in northern virginia. you know, you could see it. he's tired of fighting. and he's a good man. like you said, he's a good human being. i like him a lot, i hate to see him leave the stage. but i get it. >> this conversation often centers around is a trump? but it's kind of a chicken and egg thing. is it, trumpers it trump voters. or is it both. >> it's a nasty cycle. >> can i add one other factor this, he talked a little bit today about what else? what another option, a third

party candidate? is it the kind of know label situation? he has said, i love you continuously, it would only elect trump. he's talking about no labels there. part of that is because the trump voters, people willing to vote for trump, are not necessarily movable in the way that you would expect. >> they're not persuadable by reason. don't persuadable by facts. they try to exclude facts and evidence from their own mind. they turn off what they don't want to hear. the man stole classified documents. they don't believe that. so, they just ignore it. it's just a complete abdication from reality. >> abby, i think we have to dig deeper as a country nascar selves, why are we here? that's the discussion were not really having. we keep talking around it. i ask you this, i don't have an answer, why would anyone want to elect somebody that has four federal indictments against them in 91 counts? that's irrational. it's illogical.

something has gone on in the country, with at least a third, 20 to 30%, of the electorate. particularly, in the gop in the primary. that part. they are turned on by this. this excites them. this revenge. we're going to wipe out the government. desantis wants to slit throats, he says, on day one. the rhetoric, vivek's revak rhetoric, it's violent. it's angry. they're angry. i think we need to be paying attention to what's going on. >> i've a feeling that mitt romney spending a lot of time thinking about those issues in a broader context. not just by the united states, about the history of demagoguery, and strongmen, and what that means for this country in this particular stage. it's a big conversation we're not done with it. sophia and george, thank you both very much. we're dangerously close tonight now to the first ever simultaneous strike against america's big three automakers. hear what donald trump is now telling workers to demand. plus, chilling new details tonight about how police ended up capturing that escaped inmate in pennsylvania. our own laura coats is on the ground, live, up next.

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i've been here, like everyone else, hearing about a nearly two-week man hunt. how could that be? how could he have eluded the authorities for so long? what was this landscape they were talking about in the dynamics in the area. you see it for yourself tonight. i'm talking about pitch blackness behind me. but for the lights surrounding me right now, you cannot see much more than your hands in front of you in most areas of this land. there's so many different areas where someone could actually hide. i sat down and talk to people in the community, an owner of a farm where the surf right behind where i am right now. where he was ultimately captured, a few hundred yards away. what that was like in that area, and only for the community members, abby, to feel terrorized by this person who they knew was already extremely

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another day, another bold policy proposal from republican presidential candidate, vivek ramaswamy. and this time, it's around the federal workforce. here's what he's proposing to do in his first term, if he's elected to the presidency. listen. >> it will be a plan that reduces the size of the federal employee head count by over 75%, if i'm the next president by the end of my first term. 50% of which is implementable by the end of your one. >> i want to bring in now, former republican -- response and -- president of young's foundation. governor walker, thank you for being here. i should, say we don't, probably, as much as i would, like talk about policy. we're going to do a little bit

of that here. this particular one from mr. ramaswamy, even he admits that something like this would be an uphill climb. i'm sure that your sympathetic to slashing the size of the federal government. something like this, is it really reasonable to expect that the president could do this? >> well, you mentioned, it's a bold idea. we just added one of her college conferences, it's part of the reason why so many young people are intrigued by vivek ramaswamy's campaign. i think it's a good goal to have. i think many people, regardless of party, believe the federal government is too big, too expansive, needs to be more effective, more efficient, more accountable. to the american public. i think you have to have more than just a number. you have to have a plan. we certainly did, that many governors, did over the -- at the state level. look at innovation and technology. another part, is attrition in retirement.

the most powerful thing that can be done, you can't do it alone, just as the chief executive, you have the legislative branch, in this case, congress involved. that is taking power out of the capital, sending it back to the people. back to the states. >> he's talking about slashing entire parts of the federal government. as you just laid out, that's not even a power that the president has. >> well, that's the key. people are interested in it. one thing i've heard, not just on this issue, but a number of ideas he pointed out, they like the concept in many cases. they want to know what's the plan. particularly, for someone who's not been in office before, they're gonna have something to point you to say, this is how i did. it certainly, as a governor. in particular.

one could do. that other party could, say this is what i. did you can believe all do that going forward. in this case, i think there are ways. you're right, you can't just come in and say, unlike maybe the ceo of a company, i'm going to eliminate this entire portion of the company. you've got to have, in many cases, the congress. and entrenched congress, both with not only democrats, but republicans who like certain agencies. i think it is powerful it appropriate to point out tha t whether you're a democrat or republican voter, not an elected official, but voters, most people for years, i've talked about setting power bac k

to the states, and more importantly, to the people by whether it's an education, whether it's in transportation, whether to health care. i think most of us would rather see those dollars spent in our local communities, as opposed to sending the dollars to washington, where we get pennies on the dollar back. >> when it comes to some of these ideas, you have ramaswamy, also talking about foreign policy issues like the war in ukraine and china potentially invading taiwan. and saying, i'm gonna start snap my fingers, it's gonna go away. i'll let russia keep parts of ukraine. i'll let china invade taiwan after a certain point. the simplicity of it is very tempting, i'm, sure to younger voters that you talk to. but your former elected republican, when you hear things like this, what goes through your mind? >> well, i think voters expect, certainly, at local, state and i think more so that the federal level, we can walk into gum. by that i mean, i don't think that there's hardly any of the americans out there that want to be another war. very cautious of. that you see that on either end of the spectrum. where it's on the republican or the democrat side. i think many of us a feel frustrated when we look at all the dollars being spent in europe and other places around the world. we're not doing enough to secure our southern border. which many of you as an outright invasion. 20 your question. i'm just saying, i think, in those cases, it's not an either or proposition. some of the times i heard this a few weeks ago in the debate stage in milwaukee, where was, like it was an either or proposition. i don't think it is either or. i think there are things that

can be done to address domestic issues, that are legitimate and serious, whether it's at the border. whether it's dealing with what happened in hawaii or elsewhere. at the same time, push back against oppressors like vladimir putin, push back against she's in paying. i think when it comes to china, when the ccp is involved, i think we really have to open our eyes as americans. that's the greatest threat we face in the near future. and something that all of us, regardless of party, should be very, very concerned about. not just from the military standpoint, with a navy being built up, the ports of entry, there's occurring around the world. the -- intellectual property. barging in. invading our social media. >> you sound like a candidate yourself in some ways. the nuance that you're talking about. >> old habits die hard. >> what you're describing. there you don't really hear that from some of these candidates. as someone who's also running for president yourself, the strategy from a ramaswamy, even from a donald trump he was running in 2016, was basically to say, i'm lana throw out the thing that seems unlikely to happen. that's how i'm going to stand out from the crowd. at the end of the day, even trump came up against the reality of what he could and couldn't do. are voters taking that into consideration in this primary? or is it working for ramaswamy to stand out from the crowd? >> well, i think he's taken on

some of the same playbook as you just mentioned from eight years ago, when i stood on the stage next to donald trump. i could see where things happening after that second debate, i joke, i get out before i got -- i could see where the train was going. in this case, part of it, as it was eight years ago, one of the complaints i've had then as i do now, is with the debate process. i think a process that's great, maybe for ratings, for the network for the news channels, isn't so great for the american voter. in the incentive just fighting a minute or two at a time with rebuttals anytime you name comes up, it actually would be nice to hear from each of the candidates, whether it's, 5:10, 15, whatever the number is. about how they would actually deal with these complex issues. as we can see, the last few presidents debating is not the major responsibility of the president of the united states. maybe more issue for the prime minister in the uk, but in the united states, it actually getting things done. and i don't always agree with everything that donald trump says. as a conservative, i like the vast majority of things he did during his four years as president. on substance. i think he learned, even if he did address a lot of those things during the primary debates, he learned by putting good people around him in many cases, to take on those policies and get those things done. i'd like to hear more of that from the candidates on the stage going forward.

>> all right, we'll see if you good people around him in many cases, to take on those policies and get those things done. i'd like to hear more of that from the candidates on the stage going forward. >> all right, we'll see if you hear more specifics from these candidates. governor scott walker, thank you so much for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> up next, he's the secret service agent who's raising new questions about jfk's assassination, and that lone gunman theory. now, paul landis is speaking out and his very first television interview. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> i was afraid of gonna pass out. i kept telling myself, i gotta hang in. i've got to hang in there.

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60 years after jfk was assassinated, a secret service agent who was feet away is now breaking his silence. paul landis, raising questions about the warren commission's magic bullet theory, saying, a single bullet not only killed jfk, but, also, injured texas governor, john connally. here is how landis described what happened to our own jake tapper. >> i heard a loud report that i recognized as coming from a high to -- high powered rifle. i, immediately, looked over my shoulder, to the right, where the sound had come from.

i couldn't see anything right away, and i looked at the president, and president kennedy was leaning towards the left of mrs. kennedy. >> i want to bring in cnn, jake tapper. hi, jake, paul landis was the secret service agent who is in the car directly behind president kennedy's limousine. what did he tell you in this interview that he saw that day? >> on dealey plaza, he said, he heard three shots, and they came from behind him, and above. i asked him, do you think there was a second gunman and he said, he did not think there was. although, in a different interview with the new york times, peter baker, he allowed for the possibility that there might be. however, with me, he was more definitive.

>> that's interesting. it was historians who are looking at this as there is a lot of forensic evidence to suggest there was a second gunman. in this book, he reveals, he found an intact bullet, inside of the limousine, and he moved it. here is what he told you. >> i started to put it back, and i hesitated for a moment because i looked around, when i had been scanning the back area, and found secret service agents there just to carry the car. so, we were getting ready to exit the limo, and i didn't want to leave the bullet there because i was afraid that people are starting to converge towards the car, and i thought a souvenir, someone might see that, and i didn't want to have the press taking pictures on

that. >> he also brought it with him to the hospital. jake, i have to say, that is an interesting, perhaps odd, sequence of events. what did you think? >> it was interesting. he said, he put it in his pocket, carried it to the hospital, and left it on the examination table where jfk was being treated at the time. the warren commission says, the bullet was, ultimately, found on governor connally's stretcher, so they assumed it was a bullet, and is the single bullet theory, majority, called the magic bullet theory.

the warren commission said, it went through president kennedy's back, out his throat, and then hit governor connally in front of him. this had been used to discredit the warren commission's work. the idea that this one bullet, and the idea was attributed to arland specter, then a prosecutor, later a senator, that this bullet would do all of these things, and how crazy that is. this calls into question, the single bullet theory, and obviously, if that bullet was on president kennedy, that would not have been the same bullet that would have hit governor connally. it doesn't, necessarily, change the idea that there was one gunman, but, it does suggest if mr. landa's account is correct, and believed, does suggest some shoddy-ness by the warren commission which, for anybody who knows anything about the warren commission, will not come as much of a surprise. >> jake, thank you for joining us to talk about all of that. >> thank you so much, abby. >> thank you for watching cnn prime time. laura coates, starting right now. >>

where the escape murder was captured just after atm. tonight he is back behind bars, for the first time i might at. since august 31st. in the pennsylvania state prison in a different county. this time montgomery county. now he's got another charge felony escape that adds on to the life of his former girlfriend, in front of her two, young children. you see him in the video shot by cnn affiliate cbs news philadelphia. i'm going to talk to the chief detective of chester county and the chair of the prison board.

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