don't often do well. you need some experience. so we'll see. >> okay. at least the yankees are in last place. so i'll take that. >> a lot of people are with you. >> andy scholes, thank you very much. and thanks to all of you to making "early start" with all of us. i'm kasie hunt. don't go anywhere. "cnn this morning" starts right now. good morning, thanks for joining us. let's get things started with five things to know. in just hours, speaker kevin mccarthy is expected to meet behind closed doors with house republicans including three committee chair men tapped to lead the impeachment inquiry into president biden. new this morning president biden talks for the first time about the probe saying that republicans want to impeach him because they want to shut down

the government. but he says he has a job to do. 18 hours from now, autoworkers in detroit could strike against the big three. the union president says we're likely going to have to take action. he is talking about a targeted strike. and new details on the capture of the escaped killer in pennsylvania, he survived for days on watermelon and stream water and he was planning to escape to canada. and new watches are issued for coastal new england from hurricane lee. "cnn this morning" starts right now. i know you're counting how many days away are we from potential shutdown? >> you're putting me on the spot. >> 17, 16? >> 16. shutdown, impeachment inquiry, mitt romney, we have a lot to talk about as it relates to the

former presidential candidate and current republican senator. >> and we're glad that you are with us. a government shutdown looming as republicans instead of focusing on their impeachment inquiry of president biden just a couple hours from now, house speaker kevin mccarthy is set to meet with republican lawmakers behind doors as they plot their next steps even though some republicans have had mitted that there doesn't seem to be any hard evidence at this point that the president did anything illegal regarding his son. and president biden set to give a speech about the economy today. reporters tried to ask him about the impeachment inquiry yesterday. here is what he said. >> you will notice no response. later off camera at a fundraiser where he is often more candid, president biden said that i get up every day not focused on

impeachment, i've got a job to do. i don't know quite why, but they republicans just knew they wanted to impeach me. best as i can tell, they want to shut down the government. and as mitt romney blasted what he called the trump wing of the gop after announcing that he would not seek re-election. romney was the only republican senator to vote to convict donald trump in both of of his impeachment trials but he says there doesn't appear to be a case against biden. >> no question but that the republican party today is in the had shadow of donald trump. i represent a small wing of the party. i call it the wise wing of the republican party. my wing of the party talks about policy. and issues that will make a difference to the lives of the american people. the trump wing of the party talks about resentments of various kind and getting even and settling scores. >> we have team coverage that

will define the next 14 months. arlette saenz is standing by in the north hall to the white house and also lauren fox is live in the capitol. lauren, this meeting between mccarthy and republicans behind closed door, what is the expectation? >> reporter: expectation is that this is about trying to unify the republican party around the announcement that kevin mccarthy made on tuesday. there are some republican members who still are not thinking that this was the best idea to launch this impeachment inquiry. and you also are starting to see from republicans that they are coalescing around what the next steps should be. but a lot of decisions have yet to be made in how to pursue this impeachment inquiry. the three chair men that have been tasked with leading this, they have been working together for months but they still have questions about what witnesses they might want to hear from, when and if to issue subpoenas for some of those high profile

witnesses, someone like hunter biden perhaps. those are discussions that are still very much ongoing and while their teams have been talking for months, you can expect those conversations have been ramping up. i talked to jim jordan yesterday as he left the republican senate lunch and i asked him specifically how long is this going to go, what is your time line and he declined to give one. he said right now the plan is just to keep going. he also told me that he had just signed three subpoenas yesterday when we pushed him on who those subpoenas were going to, he said we'll have to wait and find out. but that gives you a sense that this is very much moving just as it has been for several months but now under the umbrella of an impeachment inquiry. >> can we talk about mitt romney and the fact that not only is he not going to run again, but he chose to say pretty much everything. he is someone who through his actions and his votes has stood

up against many in his party for what he thinks is right. but i was so struck with what he said yesterday. what do the american people need to know as they wake up this morning? >> reporter: yeah, mitt romney not running for re-election, but making it clear what he thinks the direction of the country should be. he was going after everyone, republicans in his party who he says are too closely aligned with the former president, as well as joe biden. here is what he said about the presidential election. >> i think it would be a great thing if both president biden and former president trump were to stand aside and let their respective party pick someone in the next generation. president biden when he was running said he was a transitional figure to the next generation. well, time to transition. >> reporter: and he wasted no time criticizing some republican senators who he will have to serve with over the next year. senate lunches happen multiple times a week.

there will be one today. but he went after people like j.d. vance, josh hawley, ted cruz. saying josh hawley was one of the smartest people he knew and ted cruz was a close second, but he argued had they knew better than some of the arguments that they make publicly when it comes to the constitution. really, really fascinating way to sort of announce that you are retiring from the senate given the fact that he really unveiled and pulled back the curtain on what has transpired over his time. >> and interesting that he said he is not leaving the party and he won't sit on the sidelines or on the beach i think he said, so it will be interesting to watch when he is not in the senate, how does he influence the future of the republican party. lauren, thank you. and now to a different scene, white house officials preparing for what they are calling the next chapter in bidenomics. president biden will deliver a major economic address contrasting will his vision with

republicans. his administration says that that plan has failed working families. but cnn polling shows 58% of americans feel biden has made the economic conditions worse. arlette saenz was live for us at the white house with more. split screen is so striking, it has been defining for this white house for the entirety of their time in the west wing. what do we expect today from these remarks from the president? >> reporter: president biden will bedading out to maryland to try to enter the new phase of selling his economic vision to the american people which remain wary about the state of the economy. and the white house says they will be trying to draw more of an explicit contrast with the republican policies. you often hear president biden talk about bidenomics and today he will try to contrast that against maganomics, an effort to try to sell the president's vision a bit more to the american people. and one of the president's top

advisers, a kneenita dunn, wrot memo highlighting some of the facts that the president will be leaning into. he will be drawing from the republican study committee budget released over the summer to argue that republicans want to raise taxes for wealthy americans and also make cuts to medicare and social security. that is something we've often heard president biden talk about on the campaign trail. and this comes as there have been internal debates and really a budget standoff up on capitol hill as the september 30th government shutdown deadline looms. but the really big question is whether biden can actually move the needle with americans' perceptions on the economy. as you mentioned, recent polling has shown that the majority of americans believe that the president's economic policies have worsened economic conditions for them even as there are some bright spots in the economy, people still aren't feeling it at home. the white house has acknowledged that it will take time for a lot of this to settle in, but they are trying to ramp up the messaging especially as the 2024

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>> reporter: we know that kim jung-un is still in russia, that he has an extensive schedule. he is going off to a factory that is making military and civilian products according to vladimir putin. he will have a demonstration by the russian military as well. although we haven't seen any kin of footage or indication of what that would look like. but we are hearing from the south korean side as you say the unification minister saying that they are very concerned that they appear to be pursuing some kind of military deal. and then the presidential office coming out with this line that they believe that certain kinds of weapons that north korea has given to russia have already been used in ukraine on the battlefield, saying that we've long confirmed that certain kinds of weapons have been used in the battlefield. so certainly this is of concern. we've heard from the biden administration that they believe north korea had already given

rockets and missiles to wagner last year. but south korean presidential office saying they believe those weapons are will ready on the ground. and we're hearing elsewhere that the new foreign minister saying she isready on the ground. and we're hearing elsewhere that the new foreign minister saying she is concerned about what this will mean for security. and of course russia and china are security council members and they certainly have the veto for any new sanctions. so it is difficult. we're hearing from many in the region how to prevent or deter this kind of deal. >> yeah, as the world continues to wait for another nuclear test from north korea. paula, thank you. two weeks, that is how much time house republicans have to keep the government from shutting down. now they are considering shelving a significant defense bill and focusing instead on

approving a stopgap bill. speak aer mccarthy wants to end assistance to ukraine while the white house is requesting $24 billion in additional aid in this legislation. and two wrote a letter that reads in part now is not the time to allow partisan politics to get in the way of supporting anally fighting for freedom. ukrainians need our help and they needed it yesterday. one of those retired generals who decided that it was so critical to write that letter is with us now. and we appreciate your time this morning. did you feel that you needed to write this letter not only because of what is happening in washington and these efforts to strip this but because of the sentiment of the majority of american people who do not at

this point support more new funding? >> well, first of all, good morning and thank you for having me on your show. the timing is important. as we approach the presidential elections, you know, now what is happening is politics is having much more influence on what we are doing and what we should be doing for ukraine. and part of our letter was to urge that we set aside those sort of current politics and refocus on the strategic nature of what is happening in ukraine. and there is so much economically that ukraine faebts affects us here in america and the world. so much in the manner of food and grain that ukraine affects in the world. and frankly, i think that we need to remember that we need to stand up against mr. putin's illegal immoral war that he has been carrying on for almost nine

years now. >> after 18 month, do you understand why some americans are saying we get it, we understand the strategic nature of this, but there are concerns at home as well, we prefer domestic funding to be focused on? >> there is no doubt that there is competition for these scarce resources. i personally think america is big enough do both. this is not an if/or. it is yes and let's move forward. and so i think that if we look at what we're giving, it is a lot. but if you look being on a per gdp basis, 11 nations in nato are giving more than america is. and so we are doing the right thing, we need to be thankful to our taxpayers and our lawmakers. but i think that there is more we should do. >> if you could respond to the

reporting that we just had from our paula hancocks in seoul that it is the belief of the south korean president's office that north korean weapons are already on the ground in some capacity, what does that mean to you if that is indeed the case? >> first and foremost, mr. putin's army and his logistics systems are failing him on the ground in ukraine. what we see is that mr. putin's war of intimidation and war of words or in military parlance his deterrence is working. so he is failing militarily. but his deterrence is working. what you see with north korea is of the same as i think overtures to china and others. iran. and that is to supply the weapons that mr. putin has not been able to supply to his troops. >> given the scale of the

support you up to this point and the fact that vladimir putin is continuing to find resources despite the massive sanctions in place by western ally, do you feel the united states and its allies need to do more in terms of weapons systems, the capacity and capability so that it doesn't end up being multiyear never ending type of fight? >> i absolutely do. you know that our senior post leaders have made a couple promises. consistently through this war. we say that we'll be with them as long as it takes. and we say that we'll give them everything they need. and we have done a lot. again, we need to be thankful. but we have not i think fulfilled those promises. we have not given them everything that they need. if our forces were on the ground fighting in ukraine, we would be doing it under battlefield air superiority. we have not provided ukraine the

ability to establish battlefield air superior city. and their troops are suffering because of it. we would never go to war without our long range artillery and how far are we into this war now and ukraine still does not have long range artillery. >> so then is if your assessment that had the united states provided to ukraine up front in the first couple of months what the u.s. has now provided to ukraine ukraine could have prevailed by this point? >> i don't want to venture that sort of guess. it wouldn't be scientific and i don't think that it helps your viewers. what i do know is that ukraine -- we have been giving them less than what they need when it comes to technology and capability. and they have strategically defeated russia on the north side of the kyiv. they have strategically defeated russia on the north and northwest side of kharkiv. and they are in the middle of an operational defeat of russia in

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off the job. but talks are not going well and now the union president is announcing plans for a targeted strike at a limited number of plants that could grind auto production to a halt. vanessa yurkevich is joining us live in detroit. he was so candid in that talk and now a targeted strike. what does that actually mean? >> reporter: yeah, less than 24 hours, still time to reach a deal, but it is not looking good. president fain laying out the unique targeted strike approach, something we hadn't seen since the late 1990s. essentially the national union would call on select local unions at various plants at various times over various days and ask them only those unions to go out on strike leaving others working at the plants. part of this is to keep the company guessing and part of this is to conserve the strike

fund for workers. but this could come at some risk because those workers that are still left working at the plants, they are not under a contract. and the companies do not have to pay those workers. also in terms of supply, if you just shut down a couple plants across the country, that could have an impact on the supply chain. one economist saying it is essentially like shutting down all production. we know the three automakers don't have as much inventory as they did in 2019. so i want you to listen to shawn fain and also listen to jim farley, ceo of ford, who was advise ably upset about where ty are in the state of negotiations. >> we're still very far apart on our key priorities. from job security to ending tiers, from cost of living allowance to wage increase, we

do not yet have offers on the table that reflect a sacrifice and contributions our members have made to these companies. to win, we're likely going to have to take action. >> on august 29, we made our first offer almost two weeks ago to the uaw. we've made three offers since then. and we've had no genuine counteroffer on any of those. >> reporter: now, jim farley and bill ford said that they showed up to union headquarters yesterday to present the fourth offer and they said shawn fain was notfarley saying he is optimistic, but he doesn't feel like negotiations are moving in the right direction. big question, is there going to be enough in terms of negotiations from the companies to please the union despite record wage increase offers, 17.5% to 20%. is it going to be enough and is it going to be in time for the

deadline. >> notable that the ceo of ford and chair went there in person with this offer saying that it is tough to negotiate when there is no one to negotiate with. that is their stance. vanessa, thank you. aaron rodgers is speaking out after suffering a season-ending achilles injury during the first drive of the first game of the season. he says that he will rise again and that he is proud of his new team fortaking home the win. his injury is reigniting the debate on real grass versus artificial turf on fields. here is what coach robert saleh said when he was asked if the new field played a role in rodgers' injury. >> if it was a noncontact injury, i think that that would be something to discuss. but that was kind of a forcible -- i think it was

trauma induced. i know players prefer grass and there is a lot invested in those gentlemen. >> andy scholes is joining me. this is a time old debate. where do things stand? >> as soon as the injury happened, many started blaming the turf. and the nflpa executive director issued a statement yesterday calling for all teams to move to grass playing surfaces. he said that it is the easiest decision to make adding that the players overwhelmingly prefer it and the data is clear that grass i simply safer. but roger goodell pushed back saying that they aren't convinced that the turf is more dangerous to play on. >> what we want to go is on science. we want go on what is the best from an injury standpoint to prevent the injuries to give our players the best possible surface to play on. and that can't be done by my

feeling of looking at a particular injury. it has to be done with a real process and to look at it with medical experts, look at it with engineers, look at it with people on the cleats, look at every aspect of what can go into take injury. >> 17 of the 32 teams use artificial turf at home. and according to data released, noncontact injuries occur at a higher rate on turf compared to grass during the 2022 regular season. and if you ask patrick mahomes, he is one of many players that definitely prefers grass. >> i think it is pretty simple the numbers say that grass is healthier for the players so i want to play on the best surface that will keep me healthy. >> and eli manning played his home games there at metlife stadium and said that the tiurf never bothered him. >> you know, i was never worried about the turf.

they ever got injured because of turf in that stadium and old stadium. and so i honestly believe that the turf had nothing to do with that injury. i think it was just unfortunate. >> the nflpa acknowledged the investment that it would take to change all the stadiums to grass, but pointed out the fact that all the nfl stadiums hosting the world cup in 2026 are switching to grass for the tournament. so the nflpa says if they will do that for soccer, switch to grass, why won't they do it for their own players. >> a good point. andy scholes, appreciate it. mitt romney says he won't run for rehe election because he would be in his mid-80s next term. so will president biden. we'll discuss this and the state of the 2024 race coming up with former presidential today andrew yang.

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at the end of another term i'd be in my mid-80s. frankly, it is time for a new generation of leaders. they are the ones that need to make the decisions that will shape the world they will be living in. >> that is senator romney announcing that he will not seek re-election citing his age as one of those factors. and he also said this -- >> i think that it would be a great thing in both president biden and former president trump were to stand aside and let their respective party pick someone in the next generation. president biden when he was running said that he was a transitional figure to the next generation. well, time to transition. >> and according to an upcoming

biography, mitt any approached joe manchin about forring a new party, gathering like minded donors and pledge support to the candidate who came closest to aligning with their agenda. joining us now is andrew yang. he launched a new third party called forward after leaving the democratic party and he is and you tauthor of "the last election." romney's idea is not to start a whole new party, but endorsing whichever candidate isn't stupid which seems to be a decent plan, i guess, bar loan. >> yeah, what are you going to name it, the not stupid party. >> and you went to new party all together. is it because you don't think that the democrat candidate -- you think he is too old, he shouldn't be the nominee?

>> at this point about half of americans say two-thirds want a new alternative. so the question is how do we build a system that is actually representative and will stand the test of time. forward party is -- i was going to say across the aisle, but for lot of americans the left/right guide is not something they live every day. and i experienced that when i was on the trail running for president. there are people on the left and right who can find common ground. >> and so why does it never work? a third party never prevails? >> so first, when people think third party, they immediately go to the presidential because ross perot, ralph nader, that sort of thing. f forward is focusing on the half a million locally elected offices. we have several dozen mayors,

district attorneys, city commissioners who have aligned with forward because they don't want to play the ideological back and forth. they are just trying to get things done for the community and i'm not on team blue or red, but i'm on team constituent. >> i think theoretically most people would say that makes a ton of sense. but hard part is putting the theory into practice. there is pushback from former secretary saying that it seeks to attraction for support by standing for nothing other than disruption. call it the seinfeld party. how do you respond? >> we're trying to improve the lines of people in massachusetts and missouri and people say what are you really. you say you are this, are you a democrat or are you republican. because that is the way that they want to us stay separated and pitted against each other. and that is frankly the way a

lot of media want to operate too because they say here is the blue message, here is the red message, here is what the aud y ience wants. but americans want better lives for themselves and their kids and they don't think that they are getting that right now. >> so we have to talk about no labels. there is confirmation you met with no labels. have you talked to them about running for president and what about joe manchin who has also been connected to them and mitt romney saying in in announcement yesterday that he has talked to manchin a number of times and said i lobby continuously that it would only elect trump if manchin jumps in this way. >> i'm an anyone but trump guy -- well, not anyone, but i'm a not trump guy. if you were to run or other people like me were to run, i liked at the numbers, i'd increase the chances of trump winning if that is the match-up.

>> would manchin do the same? >> you'd have to ask someone who has those numbers. the numbers i've seen suggest that any of a host of figures would increase the chances of trump winning if there is a trump/biden rematch. but to mitt romney's point, two-thirds of americans don't want a trump-biden rematch. they will be a combined 160 in 2024. and it is irrational that in a country of 330 million we'd be presented with these two gentlemen as your choices. so there is a lot of energy around, okay, if this doesn't make sense, what is the alternative. >> so you think no labels should shut down he was efforts? >> i'm a numbers by. but numbers -- >> yes, you are. >> but numbers do -- every set of numbers i've seen is a snapshot of a moment in time. >> so that is a maybe? >> who knows. the numbers i've seen suggest

that someone running would increase the chances of trump winning. >> you have said that you think biden should debate not just kennedy but others. should a democrat challenge biden at this point? >> 100%. >> who? >> governor newsom, governor whitmer, governor prits sker, governor murphy, governor cooper -- >> all who have pledged complete support to biden. >> we know would love to throw their hat in the ring if the dnc hasn't said hey, guys, we're going to support biden, wait your turn and it biden has a health problem maybe it is you. the fact is there are only two things that can happen. the american people say you know what, joe biden was a great president for 2020 but we like someone else, or joe biden wins and everybody feels better. what is the down side really of having an open process? >> let's talk about the book because third party and actual

third party that is successful or builds toward success is a big focus of the book. why did you write it? >> we wanted to tell a story as to how the next election could play out. based upon a dysfunctional political system that is more concerned with trying to preserve the status quo and responding to what the american people want. plus it is how do you convey your experiences to the american people in a way that can get a message out. >> all your other books have been nonfiction. is this fun? >> it is different and one reason that i did have a writing partner. i'm not an experienced novelist. but when i was running for president, my campaign team would always whisper in my ear bio, bio. because what they are saying is that people need to attach themselves to stories and narratives. and we wanted to write this novel so that we could construct

a narrative that paints a vivid picture of how the next election could go if we don't get our acts together. >> the book is called "the last election." a fascinating book. not bad for first shot at being a 23novelist with that apprecia your time. and you can get the book out now. ahead, hear from lawmakers as new data show that the child poverty rate doubled last year after the end of the enhanced child tax credit. there are things that can be done to turn it around. we'll tell you what they are. for strength and energy. woo hoo! ensure, , complete balanced nutrition with 27 vitatamins and minera. and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. ♪ ♪

we've proved poverty for children in america is not an accident, but a choice. >> senator booker calling out the choice not to renew the expanded child tax credit. since it expired, the rate of poverty among american children doubled. monday 5 million children have fallen into poverty. senator joe manchin defended his opposition saying that we all have to do our part, the federal government can't run everything. >> next guest says progress has been made on the state level. vice president of campaigns and political strategy for the economic security project has lobbied states to take action here to do this on their own where the federal government has stopped. thanks for being here. this is an issue phil and i care a lot about and matters to so many american people. explain to people why what cory

booker is saying reflects the really that i we saw child poverty go from 5.2% to 12.4% in a year simply because of a policy change this in washington. >> no matter who we are or where we come from, we all believe that kid shoes grow up with a roof over their head and food on the table. and we live in the riches coun country in the world. that is where senator booker is right. it is a policy choice. and with 9 million living in poverty, it is a choice we can't make anymore. fortunately we have a tried and tested solution in the child tax credit and we need to get it expanded. >> the question that i've had, and this is not just on senator joe manchin, there are ideological differences in term it is terms of policy and assistance like this. direct correlation to a single

policy having such a dramatic effect. lawmakers are trying to figure out way to get this back. is there alhere any pathway on federal level? >> yeah, the key is that four out of five voters agree we should have no more tax breaks for wealthy corporations unless there is support for support and working class families. so this year republicans have corporate tax breaks that they want to pass. democrats have said that their top priority is to expand the child tax credit and i think those are the ingredients for a bipartisan deal that we could see happen before the end of this year in congress. >> so that is do them both but that costs more. what do you say to people that say this country can't afford that? >> we can't afford to have 9 million people growing up in poverty. every dollar that we spend on lifting kids out of poverty pays off over the course of their lifetimes. improved educational outcomes, health outcomes. it pays itself back eight to ten times. so this is a smart investment

and of course it is the right thing to do to make sure kids are growing up in families that can keep their heads above water. >> i want to ask you about something -- poppy had an interview with senator rounds who is known to be bipartisan, works on bipartisan legislation. and she asked him about this. take a listen. >> part of it is because there are more cash available through government programs and tax re relief, but if we're going to talk about the income, we also have to talk about the expenses as well which is even a bigger part. and i know that it sounds like we're talking about inflation adjusted income coming in, but we're not talking about the impact on a household basis of what inflation has done in the last two years. >> the point i'm getting at, this is not just an ideological issue. i think people question whether or not the connection was as

direct as i think i perceived it to be. do you think that is an inaccurate read on things? >> last year we saw millions more kids with the tax credit checks going out had food, shelter, clothing. and this year we see historic one year jump in the number of kids up to 9 million who are struggling. but i think it is really clear for voter, 70% of voters support expanding the child tax credit and that includes black and latino voters who tend to lean toward democrats and it includes white working class voters who tend to lean toward republicans. so this is something that most agree is a priority. >> and when you do the state by state, is it as effective for the children and families and if you do it -- this was $300 per month per child no strings attached. at the state level, is it as effective for families?

>> wi we're seeing momentum in the states. expanding child tax credits this year, the number of states has doubled the past two years. but we can't let it be a patchwork. growing up in poverty shouldn't depend on what zip code you grow up in. so we need the federal government to do its part as well. >> a debate we'll be following. appreciate your time. "cnn this morning" continues right now. does the president still have support among the people who got him to the white house in the first place? >> president biden said he was a transitional figure. time to transition. >> transitional president. and that is what he is doing. >> president biden responding for the first time to speaker mccarney's impeachment inquiry. >> many of us thought the evidence was so overwhelming. >> they have had nine months