>> reporter: and the helicopters also made an impression. >> we had a brazilian speaking law enforcement officer asking him to surrender, advising him to surrender and he said he heard those messages and said, wow, they have a brazilian working for them now. robert clark continues to reiterate that investigators believe that cavelcante did not receive any help on the run. they say he had no communication devices on him when he was caught. he's now in this maximum security prison behind me where he'll serve his life sentence. >> thank you and to our viewers, thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." erin burnett starts right now. up front next, indicted.

president biden's son now facing three criminal gun charges. it's the first prosecution of t a president's child in history. plus former president trump revealing for the first time he'll consider pardoning himself as he wins the white house as he now faces a total of 91 charges. >> and heart stopping video tonight. our melissa bell forced to suddenly hit the ground while reporting. she is on the front lines in ukraine. you'll see this incredible story first right here. let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight exclusive. hunter biden's attorney is my attorney. i'll be speaking with him about the three federal gun charges against the president's son. it's the first time in american history the justice department has filed charges against the son of a sitting president. i want to begin by laying out exactly what these history-making charges are. when purchasing a gun in 2018, hunter biden lied on a federal

form and swar upport he was not using and not addicted to any illegal drugs. he has since admitted he was struggling with crack cocaine addiction at that time. tonight he's charged with two count for false statements and a third for possessing a gun while addicted to drugs. now, if convicted on all counts, hunter biden could theoretically face as many as 25 years in prison and fines of up to three quarters of a million. let's just be clear here. the charges could be on shaky legal ground. why? well, the gun possession law that biden is accused of breaking for one was declared unconstitutional by an appeals court ruling in august. and as for the charges themselves, overall they are a huge about face because they come after the d.o.j. announced a plea deal with hunter biden. in that deal biden was going to plead guilty to the gun charges and get no prison time. it collapsed in a stunning

hearing. on paper, he could get prison time. today's charges against hunter are a very small start but unless the district attorney investigating everyone involved, it will be clear president biden's d.o.j. is protecting hunter biden and the big guy, a reference they say to how the then vice president was referred to in hunter biden's emails. and comer's investigation is into president biden. republicans insist without any evidence thus far president biden committed criminal acts alongside his son. and evan perez is "outfront" in washington tonight. what is the latest you're learning about these charges? >> the prospect remains that this is not the end of these charges for hunter biden, that the justice department that the special counsel david weis, the trump-appointed u.s. attorney

there in delaware who was held on to oversee this case, that he may bring additional charges against hunter biden for tax violations. those charges could come in los angeles and here in washington d.c. these are the two venues where those alleged crimes were committed and where the special counsel has said he's considering bringing those charges. the timeline for that is very, very close. we know at least with regard to at least some of the charges, they could be running into a statute of limitations as soon as three or four weeks from now. so they need to be brought soon if they are going to be brought. and of course the fact is that david weis is now a special counsel and we don't know what else he plans to investigate. we heard from the prosecutor there that one day in delaware where that plea deal fell apart so spectacularly, we heard from the prosecutor there that one of the things that they were still

looking at was the prospect of foreign lobbying violations. again, we do not know what the status of that part of the investigation is. so this may only be the beginning for hunt er biden and the prospect is we may be looking at a trial of the son. president as we go into the election. >> an unprecedented event. thank you very much, evan perez in washington. as promised, i want to go to hunter biden's attorney, abby lowell. i appreciate your time very much tonight. there are several things to ask you about so we understand where things are from your point of view. hunter biden publicly admitted he was addicted to drugs, in ad out of rehab at the time of that gun purchase. why should he not be charged? >> let's do the facts last and start with what you and evan were talking about. when talking about the gun

charge, this event happened in 2018. law enforcement showed up and had the paperwork at the time and no one thought it was a serious enough event to charge him then. the u.s. attorney's office have investigated this and other things no less than two or three years. they decided not to bring this charge. and then they decided that the only appropriate charge on the gun was not, by the way, for him to plead guilty but for him to have a charge that would be diverted in which he would never have to take a plea because they understood the following number two point. this office has never brought a charge like this against anybody. when they are bringing this charge, it's either because somebody has had the gun in the commission of a crime, they have bought multiple guns, they are a straw purchaser for somebody else or they're a felon in position. none of that is true about hu

hunter biden. they knew all these facts for years. the law ha-- two federal judges have found this law to be unconstitutional. and then you have to ask about what changed? and what changed is also what you talked about, the maga crazies who have been pressuring this u.s. attorney to vindicate their political position and guess what? they succeeded. >> so do you think for lack of a better word, just to put it in english that the special counsel is now out to get your client? is this now, in your view, the way other parts of this investigation are going to go? >> this is what you conclude. "out to get" is not a phrase i would use. i would say after a five-year, painstaking investigation that basically looked into everything about mr. biden, that the office thought, i know, the appropriate charges are two misdemeanors for late filing of a tax, which millions of americans do.

and a diverted gun charge. that's what they did after five years. what changed? what changed was the republicans rolling out the people they called whistle blowers and chairman comer, chairman smith and all the maga people that support them put enormous pressure on that office to say you made a sweetheart deal. you know what was different? not that he was treated better. he was treated worse. there's never been ast stand ale gun charge like this. >> i want to ask you about what you mentioned on capitol hill in a moment. first to your point, our legal expert every night said something today that actually speaks to some of what you just said, abbe. he said, quote, it exceptionally rare for the them to bring this gun charges, let alone for a non-offender but it also extremely rare to admit to writing a book and let alone coming to within a hair's breath

for signing a document admitting to all the allegations in the court filing and he's referring to the plea deal that fell a apart. do you think because this deal was out there and all put in black and white that that is what forced the d.o.j.'s hand at this point to go ahead and file those charges? >> well, to answer the person who you opined about in the day, remember the facts of this. first of all, the law says whether or not the person is possessing the gun while they are addicted, there is ambiguity in that statute, which we will have to pursue if this cause continues. at the time that he purchased this gun, i don't think there's evidence that that's when he was suffering. when he referred to his book, he had just come out of rehabilitation. he had just come back to the east coast. so the question is not whether you've ever, ever been addicted but the question and the court that was declared it to be

unconstitutional got that very clear. you can't basically say and whether or not people like or don't like this gun law or like the supreme court or don't like the supreme court, the law is the law. >> it's interesting -- >> it's found to be unconstitutional. >> it sounds like what you're saying, though, is if this goes to trial, are you going to say -- it sounds like you're saying you're not going to say your client admitted to the crimes at hand, that you are going to dispute the actual facts. >> there will be three things that people should pay attention to. first, this charge brought today violates the agreement the government made with hunter biden. that was a stand-alone agreement different than this plea. people don't so many too understand that so bringing this charge violates that agreement. second, the constitutionality of these charges are very much in doubt. and, third, if it got past those two, and we don't think it would and there were ever a trial on the facts, we don't think of the

facts is as your expert thought them to be. there will be a defense. >> there will be a defense but it sounds like you are saying you do not believe he was laid out in black and white, that he was suffering from addiction when he illegally possessed this gun? >> i will say there will be a defense on the facts as well and people ought to remember about whether this is a unique and unjustified charge. hunter owned an unloaded gun for 11 days. there will never have been a charge like this brought in the united states. >> is there a possibility, abbe, of a deal that gets hunter biden out of prison time? >> you could never say never but i would say it appears to me that the republicans that yell and scream on the heel -- on the hill, sorry -- i making it so unbearable for this prosecutor's office to do what's right that i don't know if they would ever bring themselves to do what's right. they fought two misdemeanor and

a diverted gun charge. what changed? jim jordan, jim comer and jason smith, all the republican screamers. that's what's happened. >> and do you anticipate there to be charges brought on the tax front in the next three to four weeks, which is the time frame they gave? >> i think if the u.s. attorney's office does what you quoted chairman comer to say, if they're, meaning the republicans, are in the driver's seat of prosecutor's car, you can't predict what will happen. on the merits all the tax charges were vetted by this office and they thought too late misdemeanor for filing late charges. now they may escalate it. if they do, people should act what changed? not the facts, not the law but the politics. >> we've been talking about tax and gun charges. many people say they're far from enough. here is republican congressman matt gates today. >> getting hunt areer on the gu

charge is like getting jeffrey damn dahmer on littering. >> do you believe there are more charges coming? >> i don't know what they're going to do if they continue to listen to the matt gates of the world. if they do what they were sworn to do, listen to the facts and apply the law, they should come to the same conclusion of what was appropriate. >> it sound like you're being very clear that you do believe there's politicization at the d.o.j. >> you keep saying the d.o.j. i am saying that this prosecuting office, this prosecuting office came to a conclusion based on a five-year investigation and their best deliberation and their conclusion was what i told you it was. and that the only thing that changed, erin, was not the facts and not the law, which has only gotten loss for law enforcement

but the application of politics. if it turns out that they continue to escalate the charges, then that is an issue that should be explored. >> okay. so but you are saying that they would be doing that because they are under political pressure from republicans, marx republicans as you referred to them, in congress. >> well, they don't talk to me about their motives. they don't share their emails with me, at least as of yet. all can i do, as you as a good reporter does, is make connections. if they thought after five years this was appropriate and then the political pressure came and now they think this is appropriate and if it's no change in the facts and no change in the law, then let me ask you as a journalist would ask, what changed? and i'm telling you, the only thing that's changed is the politics. >> one thing that has also changed is the american public's perception of this, abbe. let me share one thing that really stood out to me. 61% of americans say they believe that while he was vice president of the united states,

joe biden was involved in his son's business dealings in ukraine and china. can you categorically say that the president of the united states was not involved in those business dealings and did not profit from any of them? >> what i can say categorically is the president has spoken to his issues and his spokespeople have and they're the best people to do that. from our side of the equation, i can tell you that hunt deer didt share his business with his dad and did not share money from his business with his dad and his dad, like all good parents, tried to help hunter when he needed that help. you can take a poll and when the facts come out, you will see whoever made that allegation, that it's baseless. it does show you if the republicans yell loud new, it eventually get through and people believe it. >> are you working on depending

the president? >> i'm not in a position to be, quote, working with the white house. i don't know anything other than what happened this week on speaker mccarthy, who is basically doing anything to hold on to his gavel, which is rapidly slipping out of his hand will do even worse to basically cater to the right wing that's forcing him to do things like what is this? this is an impeachment first and find a reason for it second. and there's no basis other than catering to the right-wing screamers. >> thank you, abbe, i appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you. >> and president trump considered pardoning himself and not ruling out pardoning himself if reelected. plus the new reporting on how putin's government is using churches in the united states to

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breaking news. former president donald trump revealing he considered pardoning himself in the final days of his presidency. he said he believes that he did nothing wrong. >> i have no interest in even thinking about it. i never even wanted to think about it. and all of these questions that you're asking me about, the fake charges you wouldn't be asking me because it's a very powerful thing for a president. i was told by some people that these are sick lunatics you're dealing with, give yourself a pardon.

i would never give myself a pardon. >> even if you win the election? >> ty cobb, what do you hear when you hear the president say he considered pardoning himself in the final days of his presidency, saying it's unlikely that he would do it now. >> so two things. one, he said he didn't do it because he hadn't done anything wrong. that's his narcissism. you know, he will never do it because he can't hold himself accountable. and with regard to if he got elected, would he do it again? he doesn't have to. he would nominate somebody as an acting director of the justice department -- acting head of the justice department, acting attorney general and have that person just dismiss the charges. so there's no reason to speculate or have any angst about whether he might pardon himself because he doesn't have

to go that far. he can direct his acting attorney general to dismiss the charge. >> let me play a little bit more of the clip of what he said to kristen. >> i could have pardon myself. do you know what? i was given an option to pardon myself. i had a couple of attorneys that said can you do it if you want. i had some people who said it would look bad if you do because i think it would look terrible. >> would that be your legal recommendation that it would look terrible? >> my legal recommendation would be that it's probably not constitutional but at the same time, yes, it would look terrible. on the other hand, you know, it's actually remarkable that he didn't do it. and that he didn't pardon rudy who was asking for a pardon. you would have suspected he could have at least taken rudy of the hook because rudy asked

for it. i'm not surprised because it would require him to admit he did certainly wrong and he couldn't do that. >> and having everyone think he did something, he couldn't stomach that either. and you have all these charges in georgia and all that are state level, at least for now, i know that's possibly being adjudicated. since trump left office obviously, 91 counts across for separate cases, could a pardon -- taking out state charges here -- could a pardon wipe away all the federal charges? >> so if he -- if he became president -- so had he pardoned himself before he left, i'm not sure it would have affected all the charges, but it would have encompassed, you know, the vast bulk of them. and without sorting, you know, through them all because some of them occurred post presidency. you know, and then we'd be

litigating whether he had the constitutional authority to actually pardon himself. if he gets reelected, like i said before, he can just have those charges dismissed. that would affect all the charges that he faces federally. >> so then back to georgia, fulton county, the judge there, scott mcafee, two wanted earlier and push it out. the judge said it could. we know it's not going to be in october. how much does this help trump in georgia? >> so i don't think it -- so i don't think it was -- there was anything that happened today that was unexpected. you know, the georgia statute on speedy trial is very rigorous.

state court judges had less discretion than federal court judges do under the federal speedy trial act. so they're really obligated to start a trial within the time frame specified within the statute, which is what the judge has done for the two people who moved for that right. and he had to. he didn't have any choice. with regard to allowing more time for the others, that's also something that he's statutorily obligated to do. the rules are intended to protect the defendant's right. this is a complicated case, a lot of discovery, 150 witnesses so the likelihood that this was ever going to go to trial before 2025, which i have said before and we've discussed, you know, i never thought it was high and i think we're back in that zone. >> all right. and of course we'll wait and see when we do hear some more about a date. thank you.

>> always a pleasure. thank you, erin. >> and next, dramatic video from the front lines. our team is forced to dive for cover as russia hones in on their location. tensions boiling over, mccarthy even dropping the "f" bomb and the speaker doing exactly what he slammed democrats for just two years ago. you'll hear it this hour. a 3-year device contract. even i could get sacked? not at t-mobile! they have plans that make upgrades work for you. they even have a plan which makes you upgrade ready every year. thanks ben! now can i do the thing? do the thing! excellent!

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tonight our cnn crews on the ground in ukraine ducking for cover. this harrowing moment happening on the front lines, our crews came under russian fire while embedded with the ukrainian artillery unit. russian forces fired on their vehicle. melissa bell has this story. you will see first here "outfront." >> reporter: aiming for a specific target, the fury of ukrainian artillery. nothing in this war goes unseen, not even the russians walking into this house eight kilometers away. the target spared by a ukrainian miss. as they try to move the zaporizhzhia front line forward, they must wait for better coordinates from the surveillance zone.

[ speaking in non-english language ] >> between drones and artillery, nothing is left to chance. what they've been targeting is a building that has russian infantry and artillery inside. the drone has been guiding them. they're about to fire from a third time and they say we should then expect incoming russian artillery in response. this time it's a hit. not just the building but russian ammunition and artillery, too, which means that the retaliation should be swift and it's time to go, as fast as we can. the reply doesn't take long. [ speaking in non-english language ]

>> reporter: they're hitting over there? >> yes. >> reporter: because as expected that incoming artillery followed, we're now having to drive away as quickly as we can. though what they explain is it isn't just the incoming artillery, one of the most dangerous things about driving around these parts are the drones. from his position at the back of the pickup truck, he can hear and see the incoming fire. >> go, go, go, go, go! >> reporter: he's telling us to drive fast because of the incoming artillery. >> reporter: in all, nine a till r artillery rounds were fired back. a measure of success.

the rush of survival for today at least. now, erin, even as ukrainians have continued to try to push that line forward both around that zaporizhzhia part in the south and in the east, they've also been carrying out an interesting, fresh strategy this week that has all to do with crimea, a series of some of the most ambitious cruise missile attacks. it's all part of what ukraine now openly describes as its deoccupati deoccupation strategy and they intend to end this war exactly where it began in 2018. >> and you are back in kyiv after that. thank you. >> and now we have news from a russian reporter who is banned from his own country. he's trying to use churches to

recruit intelligence sources. this document warns that sources could be forced to participate in in intelligence operations via blackmail. usually you're across the atlantic, is he it is so nice after so many times and all your reporting during this war to see you in person. so you've got this new reporting where they are trying to infiltrate churches in the united states. what have you learned? >> well, i think the most important part of this story is not only that the russian security and intelligence agencies found a way how to use a church but that the church is apparently quite happy to be used. and not only by provide, say, ideological ammunition for the war and the russian spies, which is hardly news, but also in a very direct way because there is a special memorandum as far as

we know compiled by officials and if in this memorandum, it's clear that the church tried to establish rules of cooperation with the russian security forces, which is to provide support, which is a direct help to spies. >> so how vast is this network? how wide ranging could it be? >> it is a big task force. it is actually getting bigger. more and more people think that all this talk about family values and traditional values is a way for native americans to come aboard and to start coming to the church. >> so you have also done extensive reporting about the oligarchs and putin's inner circle. there was public criticism, public criticism from putin of a

prominent russian businessman, an oligarch. the oligarch says he's totally against russia's barbaric invasion of ukraine. and putin responded. said that this person, who is a technology company leader is forced to make statements in order to preserve his foreign businesses and assets. previously he was sitting silently, god bless him, it doesn't bother us. two questions from this. putin relies heavily on the oligarchs. he's been age to control them and keep them quiet even amidst all this. >> where does putin stand with that group? >> he's very much in control of his people and he's very good at spreading fear. and he also made a remark about his former ally who was the founder and the father of the russian program.

he also left the country. and putin was asking about him and putin immediately said that, look, he used to run a corporation and we found some problems in those corporations. we don't have criminal cases, as of yet, against this guy but we can have some problems for him. >> so they're threatened. are they scared by what happened to prigozhin? >> absolutely. >> if they weren't already because of navalny. thank you very much. great to see you. >> and president biden speaking to the union hours before a possible strike. did it do anything? this would be the biggest auto strike in history. and a vulgar meltdown over spending. the house speaker kevin mccarthy lashing out as he nonow does wh

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mid light is the deadline. uaw demand, a 40% pay increase, getting paid for a 40-hour week working 32 hours with a top hourly wage for most uaw members is about $32 an hour. they also want to restore pensions that guarantee a monthly check and health care after retirement. the impact of a strike could be massive, as much as $5.6 billion in economic losses if it lasts only ten days. and "outfront" is dave green, the united auto union director for indiana and ohio. i know we're here in the final hours before a potential strike. i want to give you a chance to respond to what the ceo jim farley said earlier. he said the demand from the union for 40% increase in pay would put his companies out of business and put your workers out of a job. what do you say to him?

>> look, we've made great concessions to keep the companies profitable. we're not asking to be millionaires here like the ceos and cfos of the companies, but we do want our fair share and we believe that this fight is imperative not only for our members but for the entire working class. >> so the deadline right now, as i understand it, dave, just about four hours away. is the strike happening? >> look, we're going to find out here at 10:00. president fain will be announcing targets if we have targets and i'll be waiting to get on an executive international board call here shortly. >> when you say targeting, is that negotiating points where you are? what is it he'll be laying out for you at 10? >> well, whether or not we have an agreement. and if we don't, then which locations we're going to put out on strike. >> all right. put on strike tomorrow. okay. so those decisions coming at

10:00 tonight. i do understand that president biden has and a top treasury official, president biden had a conversation with the head of the auto workers union today. his top treasury official has expressed confidence that a strike won't happen. i wanted to play for you what the president has said and what wally adamo said as well. >> i look forward to them reaching resolution? >> no strike? >> yup, that's where the president is. >> i don't know if you could hear what the president said, he said "i just don't think a strike is going to happen, i don't think it's going to happen." is there confidence it's not going to happen? >> none of us want the strike to happen. we're sitting there to get the gains our members expect.

the hope is there's no strike but the reality is i've spoken with the vice presidents today and i think we're still too far apart on some of our demands. >> and which demands specifically are you too far apart on in your view? >> yeah. well, they don't want to restore any health care for our current members when they retire. that's a big piece of this. obviously wages are a big piece and, you know, i think the econ economics we're not there yet. hopefully we can get there. if we're not there in a few hours, we're going to have to make plans and take this action to the street. >> those are not side bar issues. you mentioned the new president of the uaw. he's not afraid to speak his mind. let me play for everybody who doesn't know who he his can hear a little bit of what he has to say. >> it's not that we're going to wreck the economy, we're going

to wreck their economy, the ones that only work for the balance mayor class. they price gouge the american consumers and they squeeze the u.s. taxpayer for every dime they can get. i'll tell what you i'm going to do with their proposal. i'm going to file it in its proper place because that's where it belongs, in the trash, because that's what it is. >> all right, dave. so there he is. he speaks his mind. unusual negotiating tactic. it might work, though. the "chicago tribune" editorial board said of their command there's simply no way the uaw could say yes to the contract demans and still be competitive in the future. is he going too far or do you think what we just saw is good? >> i think what we just saw is good. look, this is -- our members have been attacked and have made great concessions over the years to make these corporations profitable, billions of profits on their end, like 3% wage gains for us.

it's not right, it's not fair, it's not the smart way to do business. and if we want our economy to do well, we need to pay our workers a decent living wage. we cannot have people working for $15 and $16 and hour getting government assistance to feed your family when these corporations are getting billions to build new factories. >> i know these next few hours will be crucial. i appreciate you ever taking time out of it. >> dave green is united auto workers union director. and let's go to harry enten. have the american people chosen a side? >> they absolutely have, the united auto workers. overwhelmingly that's where the sympathies lie. we're talking about 75 to just

19% margin for the u.s. auto companies and this is basically lying with the trend we've seen nationally, which is a trend toward more favorable, towards union, the fandom of unions is at about a 50-year high and it's illustrative of a push toward labor. >> and maybe some nostalgia. >> exactly. >> what about those? you said they've chosen a side. it's one thing in general to say i have a side. it's another to say specifically about the demands. the uaw, they want a 32-hour work week and they want pay for 40 hours. who has that kind of a deal? >> basically nobody in this country has that kind of a deal. the vast majority of workers work 40 hours or more. we're talking nearly 75% of workers who work 40 hours or more. look at this. 9% just work 30 to 39 hours. the fact is the idea of a

32-hour work week, a lot of workers in this country would be begging for such a thing. at this point it's quite, quite rare. >> when i said what are you far apart on? he specifically mentioned health care. the big three, some bankrupted them and the unions had given them up. so health care, checks in retirement, salary in retirement. who has that? >> individual pension plans have been declining among private workers. it used to be a third of american workers had a traditional pension plan. look at where we are now. it's just 11%. so they're asking for something that most american workers don't a lot of people like traditional pension plans, but the fact is if they lose them, that's just part of a larger trend in the american public. >> as we watch this over the next few hours.

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actually fund the government, which they have not done. this is a day when the nation is weaker because they surely cannot put their animosity or fear of losing an election in the future in front of all the other things the american people want. they don't even have a budget. >> okay, andrew kaczynski of the k. file is out front. well, we don't have a budget. we don't have a spending deal. here we are. >> that's right. and it's not just about what he's said, it's what he's done. the shadow of this government shutdown is looming over all this impeachment talk, and it was just four years earlier we saw kevin mccarthy hammering democrats for doing just that, moving ahead with that impeachment inquiry into trump before they had a budget. and when this was happening, remember, we didn't even have i now, and he's attacking them at

that time saying you're doing this politically motivated impeachment, and you're not doing the basic functions of the government. and remember this isn't the only issue where he's flip-flopped here. we saw him just a couple weeks ago saying he was going to put this up for a vote and then he unilaterally -- >> decided to do it. it is amazing, though, and i'm not going to make this about him in one sense, which is that when you hear people say something and they say it with such conviction and passion and depth and then just, you know, they do the opposite, it's just really incredible. in fact, it's not the only time he's done that. >> he's so -- i don't even know what the right word is, right? he seems so convinced about what he's saying, and then we have him here basically doing the exact sort of same thing. >> so not the only thing he's criticized democrats for taking an impeachment when trump was the target obviously and not biden. what else has he said that you found? >> yeah, so he said democrats in

2019 basically were demeaning impeachment. he said if democrats did this that -- he was citing alexander hamilton, the founding father, saying that every president now is going to get impeached under sort of faulty grounds. and it's almost sort of ironic here because here we find them wanting this impeachment inquiry before we have sort of evidence, right, of an underlying crime. so take a listen to what he said in those comments there back in 2019. >> with impeachment, that you would have a party actually grab it and not worry about the rule of law but just the animosity you have, and i've never seen the animosity in our lifetime, and what does it mean for the future? have we now demeaned impeachment so low everybody is going to have this? i hope that's the moment of where we are. >> right, and it's interesting, aaron, because we did reach out to his office and we said you

said this then, you're doing this now, what do you have to say about it, and we did not hear back. >> and you did not hear back. i guess that wasn't the moment we learned something from it. thank you very much, kfile as always. and breaking news we're just making contact with our reporter who has just witnessed first-hand the devastation in libya from the massive flooding there. the death toll in libya really we don't know how terrible it's going to be. it's more than 5,000. 10,000 are believed still missing. the number is just going up and up. terrible floods hitting the country's east, and the numbers will rise steeply in the coming days. satellite images before and after the floods showing buildings in the worst hit city of derna and the disturbing pictures of just seeing bodies everywhere in the mud, rotting. i mean it's horrific to see. i want to see joumanna karadsheh. she is there, just arriving

there. joumanna, what are you seeing? we're trying to get her up, everyone. bear with me. do we have her? okay, we're trying to get her back. just give me one second here. it's obviously very shaky, and you can imagine with these missing people why they can't ascertain who's dead and alive, they can't get there. and obviously a lot of these cell signals are down, so we'll see how we're doing with joumanna here in just a moment as they talk to her. we're about to go to her. okay, so right now joumanna karadsheh who's our reporter able to get into libya, you're looking at images we do have. she's die dialing back into our control room so we can speak to her. some of the images of derna of what we understand to be the

hardest hit city from this storm, we understand there have been bodies everywherech am it's been almost impossible to get help in. the storm had we also understand about 23-foot waves that came through. there had not been a warning across libya so people did not have a sense this was even coming, and this is what -- right, and this is what we have here right now. joumanna, again, she's now called in for the third or fourth time and i know it's frustrating for all of you as well it is for us but it does actually give us a sense of what's happening here, which is how difficult it is for anyone to get help, never mind being able to touch base with us. we're going to continue to try to reach her. she will be on this network later this hour. for now let's hand it off to "ac 360." tonight on "360" what happens now the president's last