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tonight, republican congresswoman lauren boebert's excuse that fog machines were to blame for the smoke that got her kicked out of the theater where the musical, "beetlejuice" was playing may be going up in smoke. there is surveillance video which appears to show her vaping during the show in denver. boebert was escorted out of the show. video shows her flipping off security. the congresswoman was raising her arms to dance. and when a pregnant woman asked her to stop vaping, boebert reportedly called her a, quote, sad and miserable person. sad and miserable person. "ac 360" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com tonight on 360, the latest on special counsel jack smith's
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request to limit what the former president can say about the january 6th case and why he says he needs to do it. also tonight, early impact from the first ever strike against detroit's big three. and later with hurricane lee approaching new england, an up close look at what goes into tracking and measuring it by flying above, around, and sometimes straight through the storm. we begin tonight with the breaking news special counsel jack smith asking judge tanya chutkan to limit what the former president can say about the federal january 6th election subversion case against him. just moments ago, the social media eruption response from the former president. i'm quoting now, biden prosecutor, deranged jack smith, has asked the court to limit 45th president and leading republican nominee, parentheses by more than 50 points, donald j. trump's public statements. he goes on, they leak, lie, and sue. they won't allow me to speak.
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jack smith's request comes in a newly unsealed court filing. cnn's jessica schneider has been going through it. she joins us now. >> anderson, this is the special counsel's team laying out really a long list of reasons why they want the judge here to step in immediately and order donald trump to stop making these statements both online and anything he might say in person. the special counsel really argues could end up intimidating witnesses, as they put in this filing, court officials, and crucially here, the jury pool. they're laying it out in the filing this way. they're saying, the defendant's repeated inflammatory public statements regarding the district of columbia, the court, prosecutors, and potential witnesses, are likely to prejudice the jury pool, create fear among potential jurors, and result in threats and harassment to individuals he singles out. put simply, those involved in the criminal justice process who read the defendant's disparaging
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messages from court personnel to jurors may reasonably fear they could be the next targets of the defendant's attacks. because of this, the special counsel, anderson, is asking judge chutkan, who is presiding here in d.c., to issue this order as soon as possible. and they want the order to restrict trump from making certain comments like even we've seen on truth social tonight. and in the request we've seen here, the special counsel really laid out a number of previous social media posts from trump in just recent weeks that have targeted jack smig. we saw it again together. in previous weeks he's targeted mike pence, bill barr, and even a prosecutor on jack smith's team. right now the special counsel wants this iron glad order from the judge in an effort to get donald trump to stop here, anderson. >> and what has the judge previously told the former president's attorneys in court about the argument that he's a candidate for office? >> during his arraignment, the
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judge was blunt about this. she told trump, look, you're essentially a criminal defendant first, a political candidate second. and she said she expected him to stay within certain boundaries, including limiting what he says. she already told him during that arraignment that if he makes comments that could influence the jury pool, she said she'll speed the start of this trial. she's set it for march 4th of next year. could she bump it up even more? she could. and now the special counsel wants the judge to bar trump officially from making comments about potential witnesses like bill barr, like mike pence. and they want it in this official written order that if the judge issues this, as they ask, this really could bring legal ramifications if trump doesn't follow it, anderson. >> jessica schneider, appreciate it. thank you. joining us now former assistant attorney general elliott williams and cnn republican strategist david urban. elliott, how strong do you think the special counsel's argument
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actually is given that this is a person running for president of the united states and is the leading republican candidate, how likely do you think the judge will grant it? >> it's a strong argument because you can still run for office and not attack the criminal justice system. if you notice, when you go through this motion, anderson, the number of times the justice department says, asking the judge to issue a, quote, narrowly tailored order, they're not asking for a broad prohibition on the president's speech. what they're asking is he not speak about witnesses, evidence, and court personnel. that's not unreasonable when that defendant has the largest platform of any criminal defendant in american history. and there is a serious risk to the administration of justice if he continues to say things like he did at 6:19 tonight after the justice department made a motion. he's taunting the justice system to act, and they really should at this point. >> david, we're clearly in
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unchartered waters here. any other criminal defendant would already have been, you know, gagged by this judge. obviously he's not just any -- anybody. you know, i mean, when you're out on bail, there are conditions of release. it doesn't matter, supposedly, what office you're running for. do you think donald trump should -- do you think the judge should agree to this? >> so, in this case, anderson, i'll disagree with my friend, elliott, and kind of take the con, not surprisingly, right? the underlying issue here is, is this somehow going to affect the jury pool or some of the witnesses? some of the people you just mentioned that are listed in this filing, the attorney general bill barr, mike pence, right, no shrinking violets. i'm not sure they're going to be concerned that donald trump calls them out on social media. influencing the jury pool, that's laughable. 92% of the district of columbia
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voted against donald trump. over 300,000 people voted against the guy. do you know how many people voted for donald trump in the district of columbia? 18,560 people voted for donald trump in this district of columbia. so, i'm not sure they're going to even be able to find a jury pool that will not be already so prejudiced against the president that any of this will matter to begin with. >> but i understand the bill ba b barrs and the mike pences going after the judge, the prosecutor. any other criminal defendant, that would not be permitted. should he be held to a different standard? >> no, no, anderson. i think in those instances, right, i mean, arguably it's going to be tough for the judge in this case to rein in a person who's running for president. it becomes much more difficult, i think, an exercise in the first amendment. but do i think the president should be calling out the judge and saying inflammatory things
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about the judge? you know, clearly not in this case. jack smith, i think, look, he's a career prosecutor. he's fair game. >> elliott? >> let me say this. the mere fact that mike pence and bill barr are famous people who are tough guys and can stand up for themselves is irrelevant to the administration of justice. what the justice department laid out in their motion is the number of instances in which witnesses, people who will be called as witnesses in this trial, receive death threats after receiving -- being the subject of tweets from the former president. and the simple fact is that can impede his own ability to get a fair trial. so, this idea that we should assess the, sort of, relative fame or success level of witnesses in deciding whether threats to them are okay is nonsense. so, i -- >> yeah, but if we're really worried about the administration of justice, let's take it to, like, let's remove it to a district where the guy can actually get a fair trial, outside the district of
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columbia. >> elliott, jack smith specifically mentions trump's, if you come after me, i'm coming after you post on social media. said in this post, trump has made good on his threat. if the judge grants the prosecution's motion and down the road decides trump has violated her order, what are the actual possible consequences? >> so, just to point out before, the judge could move up the date of the trial to, sort of, minimize his ability to make more statements. that gets risky because you want to give the deparfendant a grea opportunity to prepare for his own trial. that is one remedy she could pursue. you can fine him for money. but also hold him in contempt and put him in prison -- or jail, rather. >> they're not going to put him in jail. he's running for president. >> right, of course. they're sort of stuck here. but, you know, to the broader point to the jury pool question, the founders of this country did not put a political party litmus test on where trials could be
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held in the country. and the mere fact that the district of columbia is a heavily democratic district does not mean that he cannot get a fair trial here. trump's team -- >> come on, elliott, come on. come on. you know that's not true, elliott. >> no, no, my friend david -- we're not fighting herem. i'm the one who's tried cases here and lost them in the district of columbia. the mere fact is we ought not get into the world of saying because a place is heavily democratic or heavily republican, someone can't get a fair trial there. >> we're going to have to leave it there. >> i beg to differ. >> fair enough. >> david urban, elliott williams. perspective from eric swalwell. congressman, i'm wondering what your reaction is to this limited -- i don't know if gag order is the right word -- but being sought by the special counsel. >> donald trump has no right to harass. he has no right to intimidate,
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anderson. and frankly i think this judge has showed more patience than any judge i've appeared of in front of as a prosecutor, where most defendants acting the way donald trump has, harassing the witnesses, harassing the judge, harassing the prosecutor, would have been hauled into court and given one warning and said, if you do this again, you're going into custody. she's given him a lot of leeway. and i think jack smith has every right to want to protect the integrity of our rule of law and the justice system. >> the former president is the front runner for the gop nomination. that certainly complicates the idea of trying to silence him or even effectively punish him for disobeying her rules. >> well, you have to play on his side of the field, anderson. he has benefitted so often because people have flinched or have been in quicksand trying to catch up with him and letting him set the terms. we saw this with the mueller investigation. we've seen this with donald trump being a legal terrorist in
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the past. and what you're seeing here is jack smith is playing on donald trump's side of the field. he's going on offense against trump. and this judge, it looks like, has been doing the same. if you give this guy any wiggle room, he will exploit it and he will diminish the prosecution's ability to have a fair trial. >> i want to ask you about the newly launched house gop inquiry. on wednesday mccarthy lashed out at matt gaetz, invoked you. i want to play what he told my colleague, manu raju. >> let me be very clear. matt is upset about an ethics complaint. i don't care what they threaten against me, i am not going to interject into an independent committee-like effort and i'm not going to put swalwell back on the intel committee. so, they can do whatever they want. >> so, a few days before that, mccarthy said that you and congressman gaetz had referenced each other on social media.
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gaetz asked you how many democratic votes he could count on if he made a motion to remove mccarthy. what was this all about in your opinion? would you ever work with matt gaetz to oust mccarthy from his speakership. >> first, we need a speaker that's going to keep the government open. i'm not working matt gaetz. i probably should call my accountant though because it looks like i'm living rent free in kevin mccarthy's head. that's something i should declare as income. kevin mccarthy's problem is his own conference and the deals that he's made that are now collapsing. and they're collapsing at the expense of the american people who need him to keep government open and functioning, who need to make sure that we keep our promise to ukraine, to keep them in the fight. and if he's not able to do any that. so, democrats will show competence in governing and a preference for governing, and republicans will show continued chaos and a preference for ruling rather than governing. >> are you surprised that gaetz
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wasn't satisfied by the launch of the impeachment inquiry and is still going after the speaker? >> no. and by the way, anderson, gaetz is all talk. he makes these threats every single week and so does dan bishop and so does matt rosendale, and they never follow through with it. they don't need democrats. we're not going to save kevin mccarthy. again, we're on the side of competence. but this all makes me very nervous for our democracy, as we go into this upcoming election, to see so much chaos on their side. because democracy is on life support right now. and it just needs to live long enough to live forever. and if we can't get through this upcoming election, we're going to be in a place that america's never been before. and it's playing out right now with the chaos under speaker mccarthy. >> do you think kevin mccarthy will be able to keep his position, his speakership? >> well, if he's going to, again, bring forward a bill that will lift america's, you know, debt ceiling and pay our bills, as he did with the majority of democratic votes and bring
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forward a bill that will prevent a shutdown, democrats will work with him. but if he's just going to allow his conference to act as a law firm on behalf of donald trump, then, no. it's going to collapse. we're ready to get things done, give breathing room to the american people with their pocketbooks, and make sure that, you know, people understand that we want government to function and they want it to ruin. so, no, i don't see how he survives this unless he recognizes he's actually more powerful if he works in the great big center, where most americans are. and the democratic votes are there to do that. >> congressman, thanks very much. >> next, the impact being felt from the strike. political implications in the presidential race. later, a live report from the flood zone in libya in the city of derna, where block after block was washed into the sea. more than 5,000 people are dead, as many as 10,000 still missing. demand... r
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wayne, michigan, because the paint department is on strike. in a moment, we'll talk about the political fallout. first, how far apart are the two sides tonight? >> reporter: well, anderson, that's the big question, and they are headed back to the bargaining table tomorrow with the auto workers union, telling us today that they have sent counteroffers to each of the big three auto makers and are waiting for a response. we don't know the details of what's in that proposal, but it's going to take a lot to bridge the divide we have seen up to this point. the union has called for 40% raises in the next few years as well as a series of additional benefits, whereas the auto makers have offered closer to 20% raises. we have heard the ceo of ford say if they were to give in to all the demands of the union, it would bankrupt the company. but the head of the auto workers kwun are i don't know told me on the picketline that that claim
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is a joke and a lie, as he put it. >> it's been long overdue. stellantis is not being too fair with us as far as pay and, you know, just, like, eliminating jobs and so forth. so, i think it's time to make a stand against a company that makes a lot of money. >> we don't get what we're worth. we put a lot of stress on our bodies every day working ten hours a day plus, doing the same jobs over and over again. and we deserve it. we're there making a product that's making so much money that we deserve more, you know? >> reporter: and anderson, right there you are hearing from some of the workers that we have met here in toledo who work at this stellantis jeep factory. and they're the ones who are on the picketline behind me. they're going to be operating these picklines 24 hours a day. there are 13,000 of these auto
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workers on strike between this ma silty and the ford factory in michigan and the gm factory in missouri. and the head of the union said it is possible to add more facilities to the strike. either way, we're likely going to start seeing more of that ripple effect, factories that have to potentially shut down operations, even lay off workers, because they can't get parts in or they can't distribute their materials. and the question is, how quickly could that grind u.s. auto manufacturering to a halt across the u.s.? >> gabe cohen, i appreciate it. coming up next, cnn's kayla tow shi, the white house for more and how the president sees a dispute in his wide ranging economic consequences. what did president biden say about this today? >> anderson, president biden has long said that workers are due a fair wage and fair benefits, but today he went beyond the white house's normally neutral position and said the auto companies in particular need to
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step up. >> no one wants a strike. say it again, no one wants a strike. but i respect workers' right to use their options. they've been around the clock the and companies have made significant offers. but i believe they should go further to ensure record contracts for the uaw. >> reporter: biden's top aides have been closely monitoring this situation and now two are being dispatched to detroit for more direct involvement. but sources tell me, there's still no clarity on how the parties plan to close the large gaps that still exist. >> the uaw has still not endorsed president biden for re-election. have they given a reasoning for not doing that? >> there's been a lot of negotiation on that behind the scenes too, anderson. the uaw, i am told, has asked the biden administration for specific policy changes that would ensure job security, as the country transitions toward more electric vehicles. to that end, the department of energy has provided some of
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those guarantees in a new grant and loan program. that has moved uaw closer to an endorsement, but it's also stoked the ire of president trump, who has now said that uaw leadership has sold its members down the river and said workers still stand with him. anderson. >> kayla thao shi, thanks. crews are desperately searching through mud and debris, floods have killed at least 5,000, as many more as 10,000 more could still be missing. hm? it's both an electric and a gas car. yeap. quite the paradox. hmmmm? hmmmmmm? hmm? hmmmm? so jj's for lunch? the first ever lexus rx plug-in hybrid. electric for short trips... gas for long. it really is both. ♪
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expected for parts of new england, according to the latest update from the national hurricane center from hurricane lee. lee is still expected to be large and dangerous, as it passes the new england area. it will likely make landfall in canada tomorrow. a tropical storm is in effect for maine. -- joins us from cape cod with the latest from there. what are you seeing? >> reporter: i think the important take away for people along the cape cod coast all the way toward maine is you don't need to be where the center of the storm makes its landfall, its eventual landfall, because the wind field is so large with this. the tropical storm force winds extend about 300 miles from the center. so, we will be feeling the impacts here where i'm standing in cape cod. in fact, on the back side of this storm, we're going to build up some of the water, and that means into the cape -- into the
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cape cod bay. we time that with high tide as well. so, the potential for 1 to 2 feet of coastal inundation along with 5 to 15 foot waves along the coast. so, the potential for coastal erosion definitely exists with this particular storm. the fact it is so large that it has ballooned in size over the past few days means this has the potential to take down trees, send power outages throughout the northeast into new england, and particularly into canada as well. so, this storm is far reaching. and the take away here is that we are only moments away from experiencing the first initial brunt of what is hurricane lee here in cape cod, the first u.s. citizens to feel its impacts. >> so, that should be over the next 24 hours that the effects will be felt. >> yeah. without a doubt, anderson. we're expecting conditions to go downhill from basically the next half hour. we'll see the first initial
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band. hurricane force winds stay offshore. but the landfall location, perhaps into new brunswick, parts of nova scotia, the potential exists for them to experience the hurricane force winds. remember this is a very saturated area. it's still leaf season here. so, trees have that canopy that act like a sail, so it can catch the wind, and it topples trees. and of course if that's anywhere near power lines, it's going to take out power. that is the greatest threat with hurricane lee right now. >> we're seeing the power the hurricane can generate hundreds of miles from the coastline. gary tuchman gives us an upclose look at hurricane lee aboard a plane tracking the storm. >> reporter: the gulf stream force, typically a business jet. but this one is reconfigured. and it's business is to help protect lives. these are the hurricane hunters,
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eight scientists, engineers, pilots. they work for the national oceanic and atmospheric administration, known as noaa. >> we want to make sure we're collecting data in data sparse areas, in which there's currently no data available or very little data available for the weather models to use to make forecasts. >> reporter: for this mission, this airplane flies at altitude between 41 and 45,000 feet. it travels around 500 miles per hour. this is essentially a flying weather station, a weather station that goes to the weather. for the next eight hours, these men and women will fly in this high altitude reconnaissance jet below, around, in front of hurricane lee. >> i think for now we'll be fine but -- >> yeah, looks like plenty of space to maneuver. >> reporter: after the jet leaves lakeland, florida, skies are clear. you can see storm-churned white
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caps in the ocean. it doesn't take long, though, for the sunshine to disappear. the flight gets turbulent as hurricane lee lurks below us. all the while, science is taking place. this screen shows 34 locations where a tube, known as a -- will be dropped out of the plane. >> this is going to be dropped. we're back to keller, noaa engineer. >> the drop zone consists of a sensor, and we have a circuit board inside as well as a battery. the sensor is picking up humidity, air temperature, wind pressure, and wind speed. >> reporter: and about every ten minutes, another drop -- with a parachute that is deployed is launched to the ground. along with the sans, the plane also has radar in its nose, doppler radar in its tail, and two pilots up front flying with a deep sense of purpose. >> i joined, as did all my
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counterparts, because we left to serve our country. we care about the citizens. so, it's really rewarding to know that i am, like, right at the front lines and risking my life in order to help the lives of everyone else that are back home. >> reporter: the marathon flight is almost over. >> all right. so, that is the -- woo-hoo. >> woo-hoo, indeed. >> reporter: and as the plane heads back to florida, out the window -- >> looking good. >> reporter: -- a spectacular sunset. >> o we're out of the storm environment. going to be fair weather cumulus on our way back to florida. >> reporter: as the plane gets ready to land, time for the hurricane hunters to decompress and get mentally ready for more eight-hour trips to come. >> we spend more time together than we do at home. go home, eat, sleep, and repeat, get back here and start collecting the data again. >> the aircraft we were on is
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not noaa's only hurricane hunter. they also tailei the peek three orion. it flies low altitudes, it flies through hurricane eye walls. needless to say, the turbulence is intense. either way the important data gathered from both these planes and both these missions, that is then embedded into computer models makes it much easier for meteorologists to give accurate forecasts. >> gary tuchman, thanks so much. next, we'll have a live report from libya and the flooding devastation there. ask about vraylar. because you are greater than y your bipolar 1, and you can help take control of your sympmptoms - with vraylar.. some medicines only treat the lows or highs. vraylar treats depressive, acute manic, and mixed episodes of bipolar 1 in adults. proven, full-spectrum relief for all bipolar 1 symptoms. and in vraylar clinical studies, most saw no substantial impact on weight. elderly dementia patients have increased risk of death or stroke. call your doctor about unusual changes in behavior
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in libya tonight, authorities now say 5,000 people are dead. 10,000 people are still missing after this week's catastrophic flooding, following heavy rains and the collapse of two dams. mud, debris everywhere, homes and cars in ruins. the red cross is sending more body bags and other supplies. survivors say this all could have been prevented. cnn is the only u.s. network on the ground there. what are you seeing tonight? what have you seen today? >> reporter: you know, anderson, for the first few days after this disaster hit, we were really trying to understand what was happening here on the ground, and we were relying on
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accounts coming from doctors on the ground, a little social media, video that was trickling out, and conflicting official statements. it is so hard to get -- in this part of libya. it is run by arrival government. and getting access to eastern libya is so so difficult. and the journey to get here to derna also a very challenging one because so many roads and bridges were damaged and destroyed by the flood. and when we got here and we got to see what happened, as you would imagine and expect, it is just so tragic and shocking. >> reporter: it is a storm like no other libyans have seen before. but it's not only mother nature's wrath that's to blame for these apocalyptic scenes in
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derna. right up there is the dams, when they burst, it unleashed all that water. the flood that swept entire neighborhoods like this into the sea. and you can see the force of the water when you look at buildings like this and you can see how high the waves were. waves as high as 22 feet, or seven meters, submerged buildings and currents so strong destroyed almost everything in its path and washed it all into the sea. the mediterranean turned into a graveyard for the people of derna. how many lives lost here, no one really knows, but it's in the thousands. the once crystal clear blue waters now murky and brown, tell the grim story of a city that once was, of those gone, young and old. children a few months old, elderly people, pregnant women, they're in the sea, with nothing but a rope tied around his waist, he pulled 20 bodies the
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first day, he says. there are other bodies, we don't know how to get them out. we just don't have any equipment, he says. derna is gone. you won't see it again. they've gotten some help since. international support has been slowly trickling in, but nowhere near enough to deal with the disaster on this scale. it's mostly libyans here, volunteers from every corner of this bitterly divided country, foes who fought each other for years united in grief, doing what they can to mend the wounds of this broken city. most are here to try and give the dead a dignified end. it's not the time to lay blame for what happened, many say, but the dams have not been maintained for decades, residents say. had they been, derna and its people may still be standing. nearly a week on, emotions here still raw. he and his family climbed on top of the water tanks on their roof. they all survived, but most of
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his neighbors did not. there are 12 to 15 homes on our street. we lost 33 people, he tells us. he then starts to name the dead. entire families gone. it's all just too much. libyans know loss and death all too well, but nothing could have prepared them for this. >> sometimes we see, you know, days after a disaster people being pulled out of the rubble. are you seeing any of that? is there any hope of finding survivors? >> reporter: when we were out in the different neighborhoods today, anderson, you could still see some search and rescue operations or attempts at rescues. they were still digging through
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the rubble, still trying to find survivors. but there are few operations like this. and when we spoke to some libyan officials here, they say that hope is fading. they really have pretty much switched into recovery operations right now. but even that is so, so difficult. we are talking about -- this is not a functioning state. they don't have the means and capabilities to deal with something like this. and this is something that we heard time and time again today, where people are telling us that they are trying to look for the dead. they're trying to retrieve the dead bodies, whether it's at sea or under the rubble of these thousands of buildings that have been destroyed. but they don't have the heavy machinery they need, the equipment, the expertise, to deal with something like this. so, they really are still calling on the international community to help them, to send
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more support, to try and help them. we've seen some international rescue workers here, who have arrived in the country, but really not enough to deal with a disaster of this scale. >> and it's going to be -- i mean, just even identifying the dead is going to become almost impossible between the water and the conditions. so, people's family members will simply just disappear. they may never be identified. we saw that in the tsunami and all over the place in sri lanka and elsewhere. >> reporter: and that is definitely something that we are hearing here from people. they say the longer this goes on, the harder it's going to be and become for them to be able to identify the dead. one location we were at today, this is really grim. but people were telling us that
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they could smell the stench of the dead bodies but they just couldn't reach them. it is a really, really dire situation. you can imagine, anderson, the impact this is having on people here psychologically. people are telling us that they just can't process what has happened. they just -- it's just so, so hard for thousands of people. you know, some of the survivors we spoke to say they're very thankful, grateful that they're still alive, and people telling us they're really grateful that their children survived, but they have lost so much. neighbors, friends, extended family. everyone here has been impacted. and it's not just derna. people from across libya that we have seen just showing up here to try and support this city. they also are in a state of shock. they say they've never seen anything like this before. >> thank you, just ahead. 60 years ago that more than a
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dozen young girls endured a jail for more than two months without any charges. they're trying to overturn segregation laws in georgia, their story which hasn't been revealed. more on it tonight. guys, c'mon! mom, c'mon! mia! [ engine revving ] ♪ ♪ my favorite color is... because, it's like a family thing! [ engine revving ] ♪ ♪ made it! mom! leave running behind, behind. the new turbocharged volkswagen atlas. does life beautifully. oh booking.com, ♪ i'm going to somewhere, anywhere. ♪ ♪ a beach house, a treehouse, ♪
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60 years ago, 1963, was a pivotal year in the civil rights movement. more than a quarter million people gathered for the march on washington, for jobs on freedom, where dr. martin luther king delivered his "i have a dream" building. the kkk bombed the 12th street baptist church, killing four african american girls. and in leesburg, georgia, 14 young girls were held for nearly 60 days without any charges. they were jailed because they dared to enter a theater through the front door and challenge segregation laws. randi kaye has more on the group known as the leesburg stockade girls. >> this is where we lived. >> reporter: when shirley reese was just a teenager, she was brought here to what's known as the leesburg stock aid in leesburg, georgia. it was july, 1963, the height of
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the civil rights era. >> this floor is a lot nicer. >> oh, my god, yes. this was filthy. you had blankets, dirty blankets when we came in here. >> reporter: shirley just turned 75 but has never forgotten the stockade. she was one of 14 girls that were brought here. shirley and some of the other tried to buy movie tickets at a theater reserved for white people not far from leesburg. >> during that time, blacks were not allowed to go through the front door of the theater. >> reporter: when she and the others tried to buy tickets from that window -- >> they called the police. he said, all of you all are under arrest. >> reporter: little did shirley know, but carol barner had also been arrested during a march in americus. she was 13 at the time. >> once you were in the paddy wagon, did they tell you why you had been picked up?
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>> first of all, look at me. look at me. somebody only an explanation, they're going to give me an explanation. >> carol was jailed in americus, until the sheriff found another option. >> the sheriff made a call to dawson, georgia, and he asked the sheriff there, hey, good buddy, could you house my -- for a while. >> carol was briefly moved to a jail in not far away dawson before eventually being taken to the leesburg stockade about 18 miles away. that's where she and the other girls spent two months, 60 long days in rough conditions. bugs, no beds, and no working shower or toilet. >> no lights, no water to drink. >> reporter: all they had were the clothes on their backs and some hamburgers delivered daily by a stranger. and the wrapping from those hamburgers -- >> the wrapping from the hamburgers we used as toilet paper. we never had a roll of toilet
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paper the whole time we was in there. >> we had no idea where we were. we didn't know we was in leesburg. huh-uh, you didn't want to go to no leesburg. leesburg was known as lynchburg. they lynch black people on the trees. >> did you think you were ever going to get out? >> i didn't ever think we would get out. >> reporter: until one day a young photographer named danny lions showed up. she was with the student non-violent coordinating committee, which focused on student involvement in civil rights. lyon received a tip about the girls in the stockade. carol remembers them signaling in the peace line and a single word, freedom. >> if you lived in segregation, born in segregation, slept segregation, ate segregated, went to church segregated,
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freedom meant everything to you. you wouldn't have a reason to use that word if you was your color. but if you was my color, it meant a lot, okay? that was a symbol to us that he was there to do us no harm. >> that line was coming around the building. i was right here in this corner. i said, who are you? what's your name? he said, be quiet. i said, pay attention. this is where i was right here. >> i mean, just imagine this. this is 1963. we're standing at these bars. >> these bars. >> did it feel like a prison? >> i was a prisoner. >> the photos danny lyon took grabbed national attention. they were published in "jet" magazine and eventually made their way to the halls of congress, which took action.
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>> they were told to release those girls immediately, and that's how we got out because of danny lyons. >> the girls were freed mid-september 1963, after missing for months. >> my mom, you know, she uhuggig on me. we'd been gone for two months, and we haven't had a bath. >> reporter: the leesburg stockade girls were never charged with a crime. carol says she has no regrets. >> it should have made me bitter, but i stand here today to tell you it made me better. and it continues to make me better. >> reporter: shirley says it made her stronger. she graduated college and got a masters degree as well as her phd. and about that young man, danny lyon, who photographed the girls all those years ago -- >> you're still in touch with him today? >> yes. >> would you describe him as a friend? >> oh, my goodness, that's my best friend. >> what an incredible story.
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randi joins us now. i mean, just -- i guess shocking but not surprising given the place and the time. but these young girls could be held for 60 days with no charges. i mean, it's insane to think about that. what was it like for them to finally tell their stories? >> reporter: well, it took them a long time, anderson, to tell their story. they didn't talk about it for decades. shirley told me they felt broken. she was destroyed by this, rejected by society. so, she just kept it to herself, and she decided to focus on her schooling and her education. and carol with the same thing. they just could not bring themselves to discuss it. it's really worth noting, anderson, we did this interview at a hotel in americus georgia. this is a hotel that as young girls growing up in americus, georgia, carol and shirley would never have been able to enter that hotel. the day we did our interview,
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