formal dress code. this move was seen at least partially in response to pennsylvania senator john fetterman's preference to or shorts and a hoodie around the capitol, instead of a suit. some what, menkes at lot of republicans we heard from, are not on board with this change, however. senator -- coat the decision terrible. senator chuck grassley said, it stinks. and senator susan collins threatened to replicate two or, the said she wouldn't actually do that, just noted she could. after -- asked to weigh in on the fashion fight, fetterman said, oh my gosh, the republicans think i'm going to burst through the doors and start bright dancing on the floor and shorts. i don't think it's going to be an issue. we'll keep you updated. thanks for joining us, cnn prime time with abby phillip starts right now. >> we'll see how long that one last, caitlin. we'll say those shorts, who knows what will happen. thanks caitlin, and good evening everyone. i'm eddie phillip. we begin tonight with some breaking news and more possible evidence of witness tampering

and obstruction by donald trump. according to reports, his former assistant told investigators that trump told her to say that she didn't know anything about the boxes of classified documents over at mar-a-lago. but that was after he learned that the feds wanted to speak to her. the assistant also alleges that trump went right to do lists on classified papers, that he would then give to her. tonight, a trump spokesperson responded to the report, in part, blasting, quote, illegal leaking. but remember, one of trump's other aides has already flipped on him, telling investigators that trump ordered him to delete types. let's discuss all of this with cnn's senior and legal political analysts -- and timid are uncomfortably i'm. stamina, thanks for being here. you don't know anything about boxes, that's the quote. how damaging is that? >> i think it's incredibly damaging. molly michaels, i think, it's good to be essential, critical witness to jack smith's case.

one, -- the charges. it puts these documents in trump's hands. that's where, he's riding the to do list, it's critical. second point, the obstruction count, but you're talking about. the obstruction point. what that does, it put the jury can see much of the former president that's, always tough and a criminal case. how do you chanel legit and intent? that's what we are under the law and with here, that's evidence and he knew what he was doing was wrong and he intended to act with criminal intent. that's going to be critical and for any cover-up that's what a jury is going to love to see. that's what people understand. everyone knows what it means to after the fact, it shows what you were doing was wrong, and he knew. it >> not for nothing, this is part of a pattern. and a lot of ways. but perhaps the most significant, at this moment, is that people are coming forward with their stories and the jury will decide whether it's the truth or not. but how significant is that,

that people are deciding, you know what, i've got to tell what i know answer coming forward to the special counsel? >> it's incredibly important. i think -- credibility. this is not some democrat, political opposition to trump. this is his personal assistant. she stuck by him through impeachment, one impeachment to, the january 6th attack. she was with him, she's someone who's shown loyalty to him. and at this point, she broke. that's important, a jury is going to look at that and say, why was she -- she has no bias, no incentive to mislead here. so that's gonna be a critical point of credibility, that she has, and like a lot of the witnesses we had in our january 6th investigation. they were republicans, handpicked by the former president, and they all said, this guy did something wrong. >> and that's the key point. that's something you did in those january 6th hearings. republicans who work for trump, saying this was wrong, we had indications that bad things were happening. and that can help de-polarize

the debate around this. it's not going to be successful, some republicans will believe donald trump no matter what he says or does, but now you have people taking oaths who hadn't testified previously, and positions to know, even after he left what house. so i think it's enormously significant for all the reasons you said. it >> one of the other interesting things about this, the new york times is reporting, she told investigators that trump would scribble notes to himself on documents, give them to her, and she would turn him over and realized classified markings on them. one of the interesting things about trump, as you know well, as the january 6th investigator, is that he doesn't often write things down. he's not a male, and he's not texting in the same way that our people would do in modern times. but how significant is that? >> i think it's entirely, you know, significant. because it's putting it, again, that's going to be a piece of evidence you can put on the big

screen in front of the jury, you can say, this is his work. and you're right, we oftentimes get him going as far, all the way. if you think about the call to the georgia secretary of state, he talks in that mob boss style language. you don't really get him saying that final act. but with this right in here, you are going to have a piece of evidence where he's saying, putting his hand, his writing on a document and you have to explain why he had the documents -- >> we don't know what he wrote down. in fact, there is some indication it might be a to do list. i think what is significant, once she flips it over, it's classified documents. and that does go to speak to the absolute sense that the law applies to this person. the former president. that he's acted with such callousness for classified information he's threatened to do lists on the back of them. >> if there is a piece of evidence, in a trial, that is a black chirpy on the back of a classified document, that seems to me to be pretty powerful evidence, visually, for a jury

to consider. john and temidayo, thank you both very much. and now on to the chaos over on capitol hill. so, pew asked americans to describe the state of the united states politics and just one board. i want you to listen to some of us commit responses. i have to warn you here, some of these are not kid friendly. divisive, chaos, corrupt, messy, crazy, bad, sad, dysfunctional, broken, disgusting, ridiculous, pity, partisan, embarrassing, hypocrisy, -- , -- , sucks, fracture, circus, liars, joke, self centered, -- , nasty, toxic, deceit, farcical, convoluted, -- , combative, dumpster fire, aggressive, extreme, poor, disaster, disgrace,

unproductive, and, well, and shift. no repeats there. and only one response can be concerted a positive active, and that was, quote, good. well, it's hard to argue with many of those descriptions sons next week the government may shut down again. republican hard-liners and the house refusing to agree to a plant to fund the government, and they're demanding even deeper spending cuts. here is help one moderate republican is reacting to all of this. >> this is not conservative republicanism. this is to put it. these people can't define it went, they don't know how to take yes for an answer, it's a clown show. >> and joining me now is republican congressman ryan zinke. he's an ever of the house appropriations committee. congressman, thanks for showing us tonight. first of -- all >> printed with -- you >> is a government shutdown and available at this?

point >> not inevitable. but here is what's going on. the house agreed, at least the republican side agreed we would go through regular work and this preparation process with two goals. let's curfew spending and let's remove the woke, from our point of view. and we did that with the appropriation bills. the defense bill is a 3% increase. it segregates about the ukrainian support, which we deserve discussion on what we were doing, goals, objectives of ukraine and where the money is going. but this bill, there was just a handful that decided they would hold up the defense of our country. >> for those five who are against, it do you think is anything that can get them to a yes on a defense appropriations bill that raises spending levels? >> well, you look at, i think, i've reasonable planned, we already have the va appropriations bill in the bag,

it's through the house. and that was to win no harm to a federal. as we have the defense bill, which is plus three. but remember, inflation was greater than that. and it segregates ukraine. and lastly, it really is the border bill. if border security, you know, if you don't vote for these bills, and i don't know what your game plan is, because it's defense, or a border, and our veterans. if you are going to hold it hostage. and believe me, i was secretary when we went through the last, you know, period of shut down. and -- might not get his paycheck, might not get a paycheck. >> do you think the republicans will be plan for that? you have lived for this before. will republicans take the blame if there is a shutdown? >> i don't think the republicans will. but certainly, i remember, no democrat voted for it either. but -- south >> republicans are in charge, right now. >> yeah, but what is the bill

that people object? to >> your colleague, congresswoman nancy mace, says that she thinks without a deal with democrats, a short term funding bill will not pass the house. are you open to reaching across the aisle to avoid a government shutdown? >> i am always putting america first. and when it comes to the three bills, three appropriation bills that i think are key to this, you have our veterans, the border, and defense. if we can't agree on those three, i'm not sure what we can agree on. and quite frankly, i think americans want congress to do the right thing and defend the country. >> you know, the far-right of the republican conference and the house, they seem to really constantly beaten a state of revote, or earlier this year, after speaker mccarthy went through 15 votes to become speaker, he said it showed him how to govern. to you think that is still the

case? >> well, what we agreed to is this. we agreed we would go to -- have 12 appropriation bills, and the appropriation bills would meet the objective of carbon spending. >> argue front with with your colleagues who are holding all of this up? >> well, farers, you know, i think, i would say more disappointed. because we need leadership and, you know, in the case of the speaker, who else? so give me an alternative. and i don't think there is an alternative. it's a tough job and i think mccarthy is doing what he said he would do. >> speaker mccarthy has said some of this is personal, that the opposition to what he's trying to do is personal. do you think that's the case? are people just trying to make things harder for him? >> well, there is certainly some blood blood and bad feelings. my hope is, rise approved personal feelings and do what's

in the interest of our country. that's our task. we have 218 votes to do something, it's a small majority, but also you put bills forward that you know will pass and become the law. and the analogy of football, will all the replay should be touchdowns. you need to make some yards, and a lot of those yards, i think, both sides of the aisle agree we can do better than what we're doing. >> do you think some of your colleagues to understand that? the incremental nature of some of the things you have to do here? >> well, you know, i can tell you it's helpful being a former seal commander. because anyone can fight. but leaders fight and win. and i think those less two words are important. and winning here is making sure we honor the constitution. i think we need to address our spending, because if we don't do that, the rest of it is not going to matter. and we need to defend our country, restore our border. so these are elements that many

members of both sides of the aisle came to washington to do. so it's disappointing when there is distractions away from what i would consider core values. >> congressman ryan zinke, appreciate you joining us tonight. >> as always, and god bless. >> up next, donald trump and joe biden fought to stake claim as the biggest supporter of american unions. michael more ways and next. plus, he was the face of a conspiracy pushed by fox news and other outlets, and now reacts is charged in the general sixth insurrection. geraldo rivera joins me live. and volodymyr zelenskyy arrives in the united states to find support for continuing to fund the ukraine war is fall. and stay with us. from pep in their step to shine in their coats, when people switch their dog's food to the farmer's dog,

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michigan and deliver a primetime speech in detroit to an audience of union members. is this a publicity stunt? >> yes and one that he is hoping that the news media will cooperate with him in the stunned. it is all it is. i mean, the working people of this country, i think understand what trump did during his four years for the working people. nothing. what he did do was pass one of the largest tax breaks for the rich ever, that is who benefits when donald trump was in the white house. this thing of him going to detroit, wow. i just don't know. maybe it proves he has a weird sense of humor because he is not going to get the support of the autoworkers there. >> historically, trump has had more support, at least among

rank and file union members then perhaps union leadership. this definitely was a factor in the 2016 election especially. could people be missing a hidden appeal here he's not doing this because there is nothing there? >> in 2016 use a very popular tv show celebrity. i don't know if you ever saw the apprentice, it was an interesting and entertaining show and people voted for him and then they found out what they got from it, which is nothing. in fact he destroyed the epa, he packed the supreme court with people who are going to take the rights of women away, go on, and on, and on. when people had a chance to vote again, they already didn't give him the popular vote this first time. the second time, biden won in a mini landslide. 7 million votes. so they didn't want trump, they booted him out, and that is

probably what he is facing this time, assuming that he is not behind bars when the election happens. >> by the way, i should mention, one of the things that trump and a lot of republicans are trying to say here is that electric vehicles are the real problem and they are really pushing that argument as a reason for workers to hold out for more concessions because they believe they are being thrown under the bus in a, quote, in their words, in the electric vehicle agenda. do you think there's a legitimate argument there? >> absolutely not. first of all, there's a whole different discussion you can have about electric vehicles as to what the problems are. but they're not the problems trump is talking about. trying is to once again just carry people, china's the enemy, et cetera et cetera. this has nothing to do, this is a struggle this fight over the fact that in 2009 the government, under barack obama

and joe biden, asked the autoworkers to please cut their pay, cut their benefits, cut their pensions so that gm and chrysler and ford, but for didn't it the federal money, he asked that they cut their money and they promised, the autoworkers, that if you help us we will reward you for that. you will get this back. it is now almost 15 years later and any new higher in 2009 thanks to what the uaw at the time agreed to was making $15.48 an hour. any of those new hires that hired him in 09 in last year, their paycheck this last friday it was $15.48 an hour, the same amount of money. here is the thing, abby. you can only humiliate people for so long. to humiliate the workers like this, they sacrificed so that

these auto companies who drove themselves into the ground went bankrupt, they said that we will help, we will give all this up and they said thank, you we will make sure that you get it back. well, they never got it back, so they have been hoodwinked and they are not going to give up this fight. in fact, i've got to say, the union has been very generous this week. they could have shut the whole thing down on thursday night. they only shut down three factories as a little flare over the bow to let the carmakers know that they have the power to crush them. they will shut the whole thing down, and not just 150,000 of uaw workers who would go on strike. this old shut down thousands of companies, distributors,, people who build parts for the auto industry, people who live in the towns around the auto industry. this will be catastrophic for

the economy and they are lucky that the uaw is still giving them a few more days to pony up. >> can i ask you to respond to this from republican presidential candidate tim scott. he was asked today by a voter about how he would respond the strike. >> they gave us a great example -- if you strike, your fired. a simple concept it to me, [inaudible] >> if you strike your fired. your response? >> how un-american can you get, to say something like that. we built the middle class in this country, those of us for my family, the autoworkers of my family, all the workers around this country, through their strikes, everybody got better pay, they got some time of, they got to go to the

doctor. all of these things that created to the middle class. the next generation could go to college and to praise ronald reagan, who kicked off really the disaster we are still living was when he did completely destroy the air traffic control issue in 81, it is -- i am so sorry that he said that. it reminds me, i hand a bunch of others went to an annual meeting of shareholders at general motors many years ago and we stepped up in the microphone and asked, do you consider yourselves an american company? they wouldn't answer the question. would you mind anybody on the board of directors a gm, they are all in the stage, would you mind is standing with us right now and staying the pledge of legions to the united states of america? no, we will not do that. or an international, global corporation. well, that is very honest,

thank you for making that clear. the american people need to know that you don't really give a rats whatever about us. you care about your own pockets, you care about getting wealthier and wealthier, and this year alone you have already made over 21 billion dollars in record profits the three car companies. so this is all, listen, the people have added. not just those who work in the car factories, but people who have not seen their wages go up at the rate they should go up, that is why they can't handle the inflation that we had last year, this is -- >> it's why we're seeing those strikes, not just here, but also in hollywood and other industries as well. >> chipotle and starbucks. >> there's a lot that's brewing here in this economy. michael moore, thank you so much for joining us tonight. >> thank you so much, thank you abby. >> coming up next, another fox conspiracy collapses. why the man who is accused of being a mole is now being charged in the insurrection.

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at this point it's pretty obvious why that. is >> wray apps, he became the focus of right-wing conspiracy theories after the capitol insurrection, with prominent figures that you see there on the right pushing this idea that his presence at the capitol that day, the lack of charges was evident that law enforcement had coerced trump supporters into action. but, tonight, apps is now officially facing a misdemeanor charge of disorderly or disruptive conduct on restrictive grounds. epps is expected to plead

guilty at a hearing tomorrow afternoon. joining me now is a journalist and former fox anchor geraldo rivera. geraldo, good to see you. so, epps was there because he was a trump supporter. finally being charged now mean anything to the people who've been pushing these conspiracies? >> i think that the ham-handed way the federal government has handled the epps case will only exacerbate these conspiracy notions. why in the world, abby, you mentioned all the people who are in jail, you know serving time. hundreds of them. many charged with felonies, some are getting double digit ears and he is only charged with a misdemeanor. why only a misdemeanor? why now? why two and a half years after this incident, why now? the department of justice --

go ahead. >> i think we have to put out there that we will find out in the hearing this week the law of it all, and right apps is going to plead guilty. these other january six defendants were getting pretty lofty sentences or unrepentant, so there are some differences here, don't you think? >> we'll, if he pleads guilty, as expected to the misdemeanor tomorrow, we will not have any instrument by which we can find the truth about write-ups. i'm going to be very clear -- >> what you mean about the truth about wraps? what do you mean by? that >> what happened on january 6th was because of donald trump. if epps pleads guilty there is no cross-examination. there is no probing discovery to find out what, if any, role he played other than being the smoke that he is, obviously. he was one of the first online

to charge the capital cops outside the capitol. i just think, why wasn't he arrested a long time ago? why now and why only after he does interviews with the new york times? it is interview is 60 minutes? he has given his testimony to the congressional january 6th hearing committee. why only now do they get around to, this guy has been, everybody knows i'm now. why have they arrested him now, only now, why not two years ago, two and a half years ago when it happened? particularly because he was so prominent. >> right abscess suit tucker carlson for defamation for pushing these conspiracies. that is one talker was still at fox. but he says that carlson and others, quote, turned on one of their own. look, you are asking all of these questions why now, why all of this, but you are implying a lot of stuff here. there is no evidence of

anything except that this man was accused falsely of being a federal agent and now he's actually been charged with a crime. so what are you implying, exactly? >> i imply nothing other than to tell you that years ago of is the first one to air the brood are film of the john f. kennedy assassination. it was 1975. i'm the father of conspiracy television, i have not been able to shake that. this is another one of those cases where the federal governments am handed approach, i use that word again, him and it approach will only fuel conspiracy notions. this is a person who should've been arrested in a very long time ago. i believe that responsibility for it happened on january 6th is primarily with donald trump and a lot of other people, isn't onions who drank the kool-aid and did something, some in character like the proud boys and oath keepers,

others who knows where they came from and why they decided to attack the united states capital. this handling of this case, these are questions that must be answered. otherwise, it will haunt us the way that the kennedy assassination conspiracies -- >> i have to say that you not agreeing with, or anybody not agree with how the federal government handled a particular case does not make it okay to just make things up. that is not how this works. so at the end of the day, oldham utley, at the end of the day -- at the end of the day he is being charged and we will find out what he is actually being charged, and perhaps pleading guilty to. but to make up, this been a whole -- yarn >> disorderly conduct. >> this been a whole year and about how you worked for the federal government and enticed trump supporters to attack the capital as a plant, there is no

evidence of that and i think that is at the heart of what is going on in the story. but, geraldo, it will have to leave it there. thank you very much for joining us. >> okay, i don't know how helpful i have been but again, trump is not fit to be president because of january six. >> thank you, have a good night. president biden is at the one making enriching plea for ukraine, it majority of americans want the u.s. to cut off support. i'll speak with the white house press secretary, karine jean-pierre who is with us. coming up next. the biggest ideas inspire new onones. 30 years ago, state street created an etf that inspired the world to invest differently. it still does. what can you do with spy? ♪

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russia alone has the power to end this war immediately. as russia alone stand in the way of piece, together with our allies and partners around the world who will continue to stand with the brave people of ukraine as they defend our

sovereignty. >> that was president biden at the united nations urging the world to stand firm in support of ukraine's fight against russia, but there are some signs here in the united states of deepening republican divide on the issue of ukraine. >> it is going to be, you know, -- for money, and my position on that is clear and my mind on that is made up. >> the consequences of pulling the plug on ukraine are enormous. it will lead to more war, not less. >> there is no money in the house right now for ukraine. it's just not there. look, it's not a good time for him to be here, quite frankly. >> joining me now to discuss all of this and more is white house press secretary karine jean-pierre. you heard it right there, byron donalds saying there is no money in the house. but volodymyr zelenskyy is pretty committed to getting what he says ukraine needs. i want to play for you what he said to our own wolf blitzer tonight about what he wants

from washington. >> just understand that there -- of course this will be, for us it would be a loss for us. we won't be able to get that, true protectors. >> he is asking for a long range weapons. will the biden administration, are you confident that he will be able to get those? >> here is what i can say, you saw the president at the united general assembly today, which is the world stage. the world stage, not just for talking clearly to the american people but to the world about how we see the future of the american leadership. our leadership in the last two years and particular, what the president has been able to do, is to say that we have to work together to deal with the pressing issues in front of us, and that is what he has done,

right? working with our allies, working with our partners. and we have been able to do that in a way so that we are helping ukraine. let's not forget what is happening in ukraine. russia did an unprovoked war, a brutal war on the people of ukraine where it is a sovereignty, their democracy is under attack, we've come together with the leadership of this president, bringing nature together stronger than it's ever been before to make sure they are able to fight bravely on the ground for it to have that protection. or to be able to fight on the battlefield. look, we believe that we will continue to see that strong bipartisan support that we saw in congress continuing, to make sure that ukraine has all that they need, the security assistance that they need to fight and so i can't speak to any specific thing that we may be able to provide, clearly when those conversations happen they will happen, but we want to make sure that we are there for them as long as it takes as

they are fighting for their freedom. that is what they are doing, abby. for their democracy. >> to that point, president biden today, he gave a powerful denunciation of russia. he put the responsibility, obviously for the war on russia, but a lot of the responsibility for how this war would end. just this past weekend, four easy carry a spoke to mark milley, the outgoing chairman of the joint chiefs, and milley said that the 200,000-plus of troops that are in russia in ukraine, it is going to be, quote, high bar to get them out. does president biden believe that there is a way out of this war without ukraine conceding? >> so, a couple of things there that you just said. look,. when i was in the hall today when the president was speaking on that world stage for a nga and what he talked about russia and what they have done, this aggression and how we have to continue to stand by ukraine, you heard the hall, the folks

at leaders in the hall clapping. there was a big applause line and i think that's important as well to note. look, we have always said that nothing about ukraine, nothing about ukraine without ukraine. we have always said that. it is something that they have to be part of that conversation, but we will be there as long as it takes for the ukrainian people to continue to fight bravely for their freedom, for their democracy, and i think that is really important. it is what we saw the president do today. >> would president biden be willing to be a part of a negotiation to help broker a negotiations tween russia and ukraine? some republican presidential candidates have suggested that they could play that role, would president biden? >> we certainly have had conversations with ukrainian government, we're going to be very careful here. we're going to be very mindful that we can't have those conversations without the ukrainian people, but what we

have promised is that they have the security assistance that they need to continue to fight bravely as we have seen them do. look, again, this is a war that russia started. this is an aggression that russia started to, it's an unprovoked war that russia started and they could end this today as we just saw from that clip that you all played from the president today. they could end this today. so we are going to be there as long as it takes >> i want to get you on some domestic issues, but especially this worker strike that is ongoing right now. president biden had said on friday he was dispatching top aides to michigan to be part of that negotiation. that trip is now not happening. what happened? >> so, it was jeans, berling one of the president senior advisers and also -- they have been working and engaging with the parties for the past couple of weeks. helping in any way that we -- can the president certainly believes that collective bargaining is something that

the workers should be able to move forward with, and they should be able to do that. but it is up to them to come to a resolution, to have these negotiations. and so, the president certainly believes that. he is pro union, about the workers, about the uaw workers. and so there is a mutual decision, a mutual agreement that was made by all parties so that jean and julie su worked to go out this week just, yet to continue those conversations from washington d.c., again, a mutual decision. should we give them the space to continue to negotiate uaw and the big three. and so, that is what we are doing. >> was it a mistake for president biden to say, recently, that he did not think there would be a strike? >> look, what the president has been very clear about is that he has been pro union, a pro union guy for a very long, time before he was president. and it shows in his record. even shows these last two years of what he has been able to do.

he believes in his collective bargaining, and he believes in the right to strike, and he believes that it's up to these groups to come together and come and have this negotiation. we are helping in any way we can. we are engaging in any way we can. but, look -- he believes, corporate profits, if both companies -- uaw should also have a record contract. they are having these record profits and so that is what is important to the president. he is about the unions. he has always said, there would be no middle class would throughout the unions. >> there has been reporting in politico and other outlets that there was a lot of negative feedback that came after he made those comments, including commerce woman debbie dingell -- >> everybody has their opinion, and i think that's important to have. what i can speak to is the presidents record, when it comes to being pro union, what he has done the past two years, and he is going to continue to do that work. he is going to continue to say collective bargaining is important.

he's going to continue to say he believes in the right to strike. and he is going to continue to say that we have to make, sure we talk about the unions, we talk about the middle class, both of them work together and it is important to have that. >> any consideration of a trip down to michigan? >> we are going to support and engage the best way that we can and the president is going to continue to support uaw and, also -- >> but not to go himself? >> i don't have any things to share on any trip or anything like that. but we support the uaw workers. and we believe that they should have a record contract, just like the companies have a record profit. >> karine jean-pierre, thank you so much for being here in studio. and coming up next for us, the disturbing sexual assault allegations against comedian russell brand, now getting political. that story is ahead. plus, how a football star went from the -- kaitlan collins has the story next.

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>> this week, we are bringing you a series called champions for change change, and we are spotlighting every day people who are making huge differences in the world, with new ideas and fresh approaches. now, 20 years ago, kaitlan collins's champion riled up alabama fans as a running back for the crimson tide. today, sherman williams is now a beloved community mentor. and in between, though, he took some hard -- >> what was it like growing up

here? >> tough. rough. but it built character. you want to try and just make it, survive. >> i want to state championship right here in this stadium. >> you had a ton of records that you broke. 3000 yards? >> in a single season. >> football is everything in the south, especially in alabama, and especially in small towns like the -- it something the entire community bases itself around. when he signed that scholarship to come 2 years ago, to alabama, he became a football legend. it must bring back a lot of memories to be back. here >> -- championships, and tradition, and everything that comes along with alabama football. >> -- touchdown. >> when you did that damage, you also had a dance that you did. >> -- my signature. >> down set, hot.

>> [laughter] -- you've got to shake and be the guy that got has the fight to go with it. >> -- 1995, nfl draft, 46 overall pick for the dallas cowboys in the 2nd round. i went home my rookie year to win a super bowl. >> who is at the top of the world. and he didn't get cut from the team. and that's when he got into trouble. >> why were you arrested? >> distribution and conspiracy of marijuana. >> and what was your sentence? my >> overall sentence with 15 years and 8 months. >> while you were incarcerated, your mom passed away. >> that was probably the most damaging thing about being incarcerated. it was also part of the motivation to move forward and be a part of the change. >> sherman williams was still serving his prison sentence when he had this idea for what eventually became the palmer

williams group. and, together with david palmer, who he played football with, they want to start something that could reach disadvantaged youth. >> when i was released from prison, it was not about winds wins and losses, it was about how many people can you -- help go get them, go get them. >> -- they fund scholarships. so, it's so much more than the sport you are seeing today. >> one, 2, 3, cowboys! >> monday -- >> i do have siblings. -- i know how to do that. >> football was our initial sport. but now we have basketball, baseball, soccer, and a sheer program. we want to make sure that we aim to provide that resource to the children at no cost. because there were something that we did not have opportunity to do as children. >> and it's fulsome also,

beyond sports, it's about financial literacy, about scholarship, about entrepreneurialism entrepreneurship. do you see yourself, in those kids, ever? >> all the time. -- from similar situations as myself -- >> after you were released from prison, you came back here to finish your degree. >> sherman c. williams, sr. -- >> -- i think that the -- williams group is more dear to me now then when the super bowl -- that is going to be the most significant purpose in my existence. >> and abby, of course, it was so special to be able to go down to alabama, to talk to sherman williams and talk to those who know him. his friends, his former

teammates. it was really something special for our team to see how he has gone from these moments where, typically, how you would define success. winning a national championship at alabama. getting that super bowl ring with the dallas cowboys. but to hear sherman williams there, as he said at the end, that this, he believes, will be more meaningful than the other accomplishments that he has had in his life, really just puts into perspective the way he has had success with where he is now, especially after spending those years in prison. and obviously, a big thanks to sherman williams for sharing his story and 2 bonnie capp, our producer, for putting that -- >> -- the champions for change one hour special. and that is it for me and -- he's straight ahead. straight ahead. go go go.

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