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white house republicans can't get their act together long enough to stop it. and canada says there are, what they call, credible allegations tying india to an assassination of one of its citizens, and the u.s. -- the controversy. good evening, we begin tonight with breaking news, and this quote attributed to the former president you don't know anything about the boxes. the boxes, of course, being boxes of classified material kept at mar-a-lago. the reporting just hit the new york times. the headline reads, trump is said to have told aid not to acknowledge she knew of documents. here is the lead. a former assistant to donald j trump has informed investigators that the former president told her to say she did not know anything about the boxes containing classified documents that he had dashed in his private club in florida before leaving the white house, according to a person briefed on her comments. now, her name is molly michael, who first gave her account to abc news. quoting again from the new york times reporting, ms. michael
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also told investigators and mr. trump would write notes to himself on documents that he gave her, the same tasks that he wanted. done she later realized that, in some cases, the documents have classified markings, the person briefed on her comments said. so, this now makes at least two potential government witnesses with evidence the former president sought to obstruct the investigation. the other is that mar-a-lago i. t. worker. -- white house counsel john dean, axios senior contributor margaret talib and cnn senior contributor elie honig. -- >> it could be very damaging. she's an insider. it's a direct statement from the president, and shows his intent, as does his action with -- making notes on the back of a classified document. so, she will be a valuable witness. and i suspect this is just a sliver of what she has told him and what she knows. >> congressman, when you hear --
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there is really nothing that one can be too surprised about, that one here's about the former president. but writing notes on classified documents, and giving them to an aide, if true, is extraordinary. >> yeah. it is. and it's reckless. and it is everything we know about donald trump, which is, the only thing he cares about is himself. so, whether it is classified information or not, if that is the convenient paper to grab and write a note, that is what he is going to do. once again, molly michael -- and you think of people like cassidy hutchinson -- you think of sarah matthews. you have these young women in trump's orbit who actually have the courage to come forward and say the right thing and i don't know the whole story with molly. but for her to say this information is very important. as was mentioned, i think this is probably the tip of the iceberg. and donald trump could be going away for a long time. it doesn't mean, though, anderson, that we are going to
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convince his current hard-core supporters that he has done anything illegal, because they are just going to channel on hunter biden or something like that. >> margaret talev, though, for the person who campaigned about hillary clinton and her email systems, and her server, again, just old-school writing notes on classified documents and handing them around -- i would say, it's unbelievable. but it is actually not. >> it's kind of like if you or i were like, oh, i need something to write something on. and you are like fumbling around and you ever see from the grocery store. in this case, you grab a classified document and write a note on it to your aide who does not actually have the status to be allowed to look at that document. so, she is important for a number of reasons. she was a close aide to donald trump, both when he was in the oval office and her desk was right outside, and then, after he left that office. so, there is that continuity. there is this direct knowledge, rather than hearsay, or someone else told me that trump wanted me to do something. this is her conversations with
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the president. and it goes to two possible things. one is the argument the prosecutors will want to make, that he was reckless. and the other is the idea that he was telling people in his orbit not to cooperate. and, for all of those reasons, this could be really important from a legal perspective, even if we don't know if it is going to -- end up politically or not. >> elie honig, just from a legal standpoint, what do you make of this? >> anderson, this is potentially devastating evidence. for prosecutors and against donald trump -- first of all, let's consider the source of this evidence. this is molly michael. this is a person who has been as loyal as it gets to donald trump, both when he was in the white house, on to now. and so prosecutors are going to all front's testimony and say, what possible incentive does this person have to go out of her way to lie, to harm donald trump? she is going to be a really difficult person for donald trump's defense team to cross examine. let's think about the substance of what the reporting is saying molly michael will testify, which is -- --
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or documents, which is untrue. that is right down the middle. that is textbook obstruction of justice. that is textbook witness tampering, and potentially really devastating evidence here. >> he also, elie honig, according to the contemporaneous notes by one of his attorneys, had indicated that, perhaps, the attorney could take the boxes back to his hotel or motel room and pluck out the attorney talked about him sort of fingering, motioning with his finger, at the idea of kind of blocking classified -- you, know that not good documents to have out there, take them out, remove them from the chain of evidence. >> yeah, the indictment references a clucking motion. this is not out of motion. this is part of a broader path pattern. -- there's really several different lanes of obstruction of justice justice. one, anderson, is what you just referenced, which was the effort by donald trump to hide
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documents from his attorney, and to have his attorney hide documents from the fbi, the doj, and the grand jury. second of all, we know that there are new charges related to the attempt to tamper with the video surveillance system at mar-a-lago. whether that was successfully done or not, we don't know. but we know there was an effort. that has now been charged in the most recent -- and in fact, now this direct tampering with this witness, this molly michael, this effort to have her lie to investigators, is a third lane. and i think when you take it all together, again, prosecutors, can argue to a jury, that this is a pattern. this is a way of doing business. >> john, the classified documents saga, at least according to many of the lawyers we have talked to, that is considered the most straightforward, clearest approved. is this sort of revolution -- i mean, it certainly seems to bolster that argument. >> it does. and one of my reactions, when i first heard of the story was that the prosecutor seemed to know that they were not being
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given everything when they had prepared -- had the fbi go in and seize material, like the head of inside witness. this could be that inside. witness no one could, at that time, feign who it might be. and she, certainly, it was in apparently a position to know, both during the white house days and during the early days after he left the white house. so, this could explain why they did what trump calls the raid. >> congressman, if republican lawmakers are largely going to keep shrugging off every new damning allegation by the former president, which is certainly seems like they are, does it underscore to you what senator mitt romney said, in announcing his retirement, which is that republicans are just too afraid to speak out against trump where they just don't care about the constitution? again, that was coming from mitt romney. >> yeah. there is no other conclusion you can come to. i mean, look. i have been around these folks. and they are scared to death of the base. they are scared to death of going to a town hall or a lincoln de dinner and seeing having the base be upset. they have acquiesced to
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everything donald trump says. i think it is important that, when we talk about, why is the base supporting donald trump? it is because that everybody else they trust besides don't trump is telling them that this is a witch hunt. and it is important to keep in mind with this investigation, the classified documents -- donald trump had many opportunities to return this information. it is not like doj just found out that he had some documents, and then they did a raid on mar-a-lago. they tried for, i think, almost a year to get this back. and he simply refused to do it, because he feels above the law. and, for whatever reason -- so, yeah, you cannot claim to be the party of law and order if you are going to continue to defend is completely lawless behavior. >> margaret, the congressman was talking about how this is not going to change many republican voters minds. that very well may be the case in the past. it may, though, start to weaken some of the other potential witnesses. you have the i. t. worker flipped as soon as he got rid
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of the trump pack paid attorney. the question is, with the property manager who, also, has a trump paid attorney, or a trump pack paid attorney -- would he start to wobble, if there is more witnesses coming forward? i think you are wage racing early complaint, certainly as a reporter if i was tracking a eight -- and one person started talking, and then it became a second person, i would know and i would smell blood in the water, and i imagine if you're -- maybe your thinking about the same way. and that from those from those witness perspectives and people who could be called test -- or trouble employed themselves, there are some safety in others when you see will based on the advice of counsel, -- or concord with stories like. this it i think it gives some cover, or some encouragement, if there are other people who could cooperate.
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but i think, from a political perspective, you are really in a situation where this just raises the stakes for the general election showed down, that we are barreling towards, we are on the one hand, republicans can't quit donald trump, and on the other hand, this could be a general election, where these are not just allegations, but evidence like this, against the person to be standing as the party's nominee. >> yeah -- john dean, adam kinzinger, thank you so much. aly honig as well, with -- democratic congressman jamie raskin raskin. congressman, i don't have any this surprise you, but how damning do you think this is for the former president? >> well, it's doubly damning, when you consider that there is also an i. t. worker on the staff, who is apparently prepared to testify. they think donald trump tried to get him to delete security camera footage, from the trump servers. so obviously, donald trump was trying to cover his tracks. sometimes he tries to play the fool, and act as if he doesn't really know what he is doing. or maybe he is too crazy to be
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found criminally responsible. but, this demonstrates, clearly, premeditated patterns of obstructing the investigation of the evidence. and he has been charged in that case, with not just stealing those documents and concealing those documents over repeated efforts to get them back, but also of obstruction of justice. so, i think there is an extremely promising progress for the prosecutors in all these cases. but, this one just seems like an open and shut case to me. >> also, so much of this just seems like dialogue from a, an
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80s or 90s mafia movie, you know. according to the reporting, the former president tells his aid, this aid molly michael, you don't know anything about the boxes. it just, you would see that in a movie, the idea that somebody would, an aide facing legal jeopardy would be, continuing to live for the former president, it's kind of extraordinary to me, sort of how he patterns himself. >> well, i remember when i was an assistant attorney general, anderson. and, i had just started out, and i was watching some footage kind of along these lines, and saying that it's amazing to me how well the godfather and the mob movies captured the way these people really talk. and a senior prosecutor said to me no, it's quite the reverse. the mobsters watch the movies, and that's how they learn how to talk. and donald trump is basically imitating the way he thinks a tough guy acts, and what he thinks a mob boss does. >> and again i mean, i asked this to an earlier guest. but again, for the candidate who campaigned against hillary clinton, railing against email service, and lock her up, the idea that he is writing to do lists on the back, or on the
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front of classified documents, and then handing them to this aid, i mean, you can't make it up. >> well you know, our colleagues in the gop have to completely shelter themselves from the actual news, and they've got to wrap themselves in this ideological vacuum, where they are just paying, playing donald trump propaganda cult tapes all the time. i mean, if they really listened to that, and try to compare them to things tha t they themselves said about hillary clinton, or about security breaches in the past, there is nothing that they could do to defend any of this. and you know, they are all just about to have the problem of explaining why they voted not to impeach, or to convict a president who incited a violent
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insurrection against the union. and yet, they are eager to impeach a president for a completely unknown crime, a crime that nobody can specify or identify, because all of the evidence is debunked, all of their allegations that they had a single damning fact against joe biden, believe me it's all we will be hearing about, but they don't have a single one. >> congressman raskin, appreciate your time tonight, appreciate it. >> you bet. >> coming up next, the looming cut government shutdown, the dysfunctional congress, and the house speaker on why nothing is getting done. keeping them honest. and later, the growing conference sexual misconduct allegations against comedian russell brand.
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(farmers mnemonic) right, keeping them honest report night starts at the united nations, with the story of dysfunction. and a story that represents a body that was not the united nations. one so dysfunctional, in fact, it makes the u. n. look like a well oiled machine by comparison. that will be the night six house of representatives, with the government shutdown just 11 days away, if lawmakers can't pass a series of sorts of spending bills which they showed again today, they can't. now the reason we mentioned the u.n. and we began there is the need for a fully functioning congress was underscored with ukraine's president zelenskyy asked for in the general assembly. what president biden also pledged in his. >> we must act united to defeat the aggressor and focus all our capabilities and energy on addressing these challenges.
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>> to allow ukraine to be carved up is the independent of any nation's security. i respectfully answers no. we have to stand up to this aggression today to deter other would-be aggressors tomorrow. >> now president biden is taking another round of funding for military aid from ukraine, which could be hard to pass for a number of reasons. it is a sticking point for a number of hard-line republicans who do not want to spend any money on ukraine. that alone could lead to a shutdown, the more immediate problem tonight, though is that house republicans hold a slim majority, and cannot even pass the easy, stuff let alone the hard stuff like that. now remember, last week when, they failed to advance a key defense bill, and a republican lawmaker said when you can't pass defense, you can't pass anything. well, they fill it again on that same defense measure today. they did not even bring a separate stopgap funding bill
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to the floor, because they didn't have the votes for that. and, this comes after house republicans met today, trying, and feeling to work other differences on it. south carolina republican nancy mace telling cnn afterwards, quote, there were a lot of no votes in that room, i don't know how they will get to 218. and, they couldn't, not in defense, which five conservative republicans voted against. not on the bill that was polled, also for a lack of support from the far-right. something republican michael -- lashed out about against last night. >> this is not conservative republicanism, this is stupidity. these people can't define a win, they don't have to take yes for an answer, it's a clown show. >> so just a reminder, that is a house republican, talk about other house republicans, who, the top house republican speaker, kevin mccarthy, cannot bring on board, even though the price of failure is a shutdown that is sender counterpart today warned against. >> i think all of you know, i am not a fan of government shutdowns. i've seen a few of them over the years, they never have produced a policy change, they've always been a loser for
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republicans, politically. >> the problem though is kevin mccarthy can only lose four republican votes to pass or anything without support from democratic members. and his move to start that impeachment inquiry of biden, which starts tomorrow, has not appease those hard-line members. he's got florida congressman matt gaetz, now threatening to challenges leadership, who himself is now feuding with another florida republican, -- . in addition, mccarthy faces a possible challenge to his leadership, if he seeks help from democrats, who showed no signs of warning of. he is in a box, his members are in disarray, and the shutdown clock is ticking. joining us now is massachusetts democratic congressman seth moulton. congressman, when you look at the stakes of this -- funding the pentagon, sending aid for ukraine, avoiding a government shutdown, how dire is this? >> i mean, these are very high stakes, anderson. i mean, we are talking about just paying our troops. and this used to be the party of national security. but the party that used to champion national security, is now against paying our troops, they won't stand up to russia, they refused to even meet with zelenskyy, who was fighting for democracy and freedom,
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principles that used to matter to the republican party. and you've got one republican senator from alabama, who knows a lot about coaching football, nothing about serving the military, and he is single-handedly decimating the leadership ranks of our military, and crushing their families to. >> so this is really serious i mean, if you just look at the national security implications, this is the bigger gift to russia and china then and they could ever have imagined. and, anderson i'm not a partisan hack. i think some of my greatest accomplishments, like passing the 9-8-8 national mental health hotline, i have done those with republicans, republican veterans. but you can't defend this right now. i mean, this. when i look at the threats to national security, the republican party has become a great threat to america's national security. >> you really believe that? >> yes. i do, i mean, you hear, republican veterans locked out of the house today, and just were assailing the fellow members of their party, saying
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that they are helping china. that's what republicans said about fellow republicans on the house steps this afternoon. and it just shows you how much they are in disarray, and how high the stakes are for our country. >> so, do democrats i mean at some point, see room for compromise with republicans on a stopgap bill, to keep the government open. nancy mace said without a demo -- a bill >> democrats have always stepped in, to say bust in situations like this. but you have to have a republican party that is when you compromise that, is willing to work with us. i mean, their defense appropriations bill right now has all of these crazy provisions, like, they are trying to ban books and everything through the defense department. those are never going to, it's just total non starters with any sensible republican, or any reasonable democrat. so, the republicans have to be willing to compromise, that's what's happened in the past. and it is not happening today. >> you heard president biden at the u. n. today saying the world should stand up to russia 's invasion of ukraine.
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you're a veteran, as a member of the armed services committee, what message do you think it will send to the world, that you have the chaos in the house causing an actual destruction disruption in u.s. aid? >> it tells the world that america is not a reliable partner, that america does not take seriously the values that we have stood for for two centuries, and that we are not willing to stand up to the greatest enemies that we face, like russia and china. and, that we can't even get our own house in order. and we are just talked about national security here, what about the fact that the so-called compromise bill that they have put forward to fund the government, would cut 60,000 seniors off of meals on wheels? i mean i remember when my grandfather dependent on meals and wheels to eat every day. it's going to cut 800's customs and border officers. i thought this was the party that cared about border security. i mean, it is just a mess, anderson and. it is dangerous for our country. >> is, do white house congressional supporters of
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ukraine need to do a better job of explaining to the public why they feel more aid is vital to u.s. interests? because, cnn polling over the summer indicated that a majority of americans oppose it. >> well actually, the problem is right now the house is that the majority of republicans actually supported, but they are not willing to say that publicly. when. >> because they are afraid of their constituents? >> yes, because they are afraid of their constituents. because instead of going home to their districts, and explaining to them why this is important, why funding ukraine and supporting ukraine is a great investment in power, national security. because they refused to explain that to our constituents, you have these terrible poll numbers, and you have a whole bunch of republicans who, behind closed, doors say they are all with the ukrainians, and they are with us, and they agree with the biden administration under ukraine policy. but then they go on five minutes later on tv, and say something completely different. >> so you hear that from republican colleagues of yours? >> all of the time, oh all the time. i mean, we have classified briefings on ukraine, and we have for months now, on the house armed services committee. and sometimes they come up with legitimate questions, and concerns. but when those questions are
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answered, to their satisfaction behind closed doors, it doesn't affect what they say on tv. and, that just lack of basic political courage, to just simply tell the truth, that is a real problem, if you are trying to actually make a deal to fund the government. >> congressman seth moulton, appreciate it, thank you. just ahead tonight, we're going to a polls check on the republican presidential primary, from the independent minded voters in new hampshire. our john king takes us all over the map, to this early contest, to gauge the strength of the former president, and understand why some republican voters in new hampshire are eyeing kennedy instead. ♪ ("un monde pliable" by jeongpill song) ♪ ( ♪ ♪ ) (camera shutters) ( ♪ ♪ ) (camera shutters) ( ♪ ♪ ) ( ♪ ♪ ) ( ♪ ♪ )
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but don't know what to do next? call invent help today. they can help you get started with your idea. call now 800-710-0020. the afternoon hampshire primary just months away, our john king decide to gauge the mood so voters there, for the latest installment of his three 60 series, all over the map. it's a series that tracks the president campaigned through the eyes of inexperience of voters to live in key battleground states. new hampshire, obviously, is just a critical's test for the foreign presence controlled his party, it's also be a key battleground in the general. here's john's report. >> we're heading out, in the moonlight. -- often spends 80 hours a week on the water. sometimes more. it is grueling work, but it shapes his politics. >> i'm republican, you know they've done more for the working man. >> fishing boats have filled this harbor for 400 years. it's a proud but struggling
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industry, with blue-collar craft, where the workers feel ignored, by the regulators who set the rules, and by the politicians who now want to line the coast with wind turbines. >> that's going to be completely destroying our fishing business. and so, your political decisions are based. on >> my life. >> and then we met along the stocks, they are not climate deniers. the water is warmer, the storms wilder, the fish different. but they say, the people deciding what to do about it, don't ask those who live it every day. >> i don't think a politician would never understand what i do for work, unless they come up on the boat with me, and maybe they will understand. >> are they better off to come on the boat? >> no. >> distrust, and disaffection, are easy to find here. >> i mean the middle class, the working class, fishermen, all of us, we are struggling in this economy. >> anger at traditional politicians, drew lucas
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raymondville donald trump back in 2016. he seems he sees a new inserted on the 2024 presidential field. >> i am extremely likely to vote for robert kennedy, yes. >> why? >> he is willing to state that we should not blindly trust corporations or our government, and i think he staunchly believes in caring for our environment. >> raymond says many republican -leaning friends feel the same way. >> my crewmate sent me his interview with joe rogan, and i started listening to him. and i found many things about him pretty impressive. >> two things to know about me, i love craft beer, and i obsess about political math. >> here you go. >> how choices like ravens could impact not only the primary, but also the vote here next november. stanley tremblay shares raman's discussed with politics as usual. >> 2016, clinton trump? >> i wanted neither. i didn't vote for either. >> third party? >> third party? >> gary johnson, i assume? >> 2020, biden or trump? >> neither, third-party.
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>> what are you going to do now? what if you get biden or trump again? >> probably not vote. >> tremblay's father was a vietnam veteran. his brewery isn't an old fire station, and signs of service are everywhere. he wants to believe, but he just can't right now. >> we need to get the old out, and bring new in, and reinvigorate what hopefully is a better united states. >> tremblay would never vote trump, so you could argue his sitting out the primary helps the former president, but -- hurts trump. >> national security is the number one thing, that any president would need to take precedence over anything else. because you don't have a gun economy if you do have a country. >> his dad served 21 years in the navy, and as a -- >> newcomer trump won him over 2016. >> he's a pretty smart guy, and i have met him personally. >> but burnett says trump 2024, is not trump 2016.
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>> he's not focusing on the issues going forward. he seems to be focusing on the issues of the past. i'm done with the past. >> nikki haley as burnett strikes this time. >> still, signs of trump new hampshire advantage are easy to find. >> it's definitely very much pro donald trump. from what i see here on the grassroots, on the ground. >> -- adds a caveat worth keeping an eye on. >> i personally don't think he is the strongest in 2016. i have people who argue about the, and tell me i'm wrong, i can't leave him saying this, but i would be honest and say no, i don't see. it >> andrew -- agrees. then compared to now, same, different, last, more? >> i would say less now, because of all of the legal cases. and yeah, i think it did impact him around. here >> like in 2016 though, -- >> says trump is the next catch. >> donald trump, as of right now, but i'm going to keep it open, so i can make an educated decision. trump will be first, desantis,
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second. >> -- may have to catch the second gop debate, offshore, on satellite tv, but fishing season will be on winter break, where the primary is held early next year. >> john king joins us now, with his trusty psychic, the cnn magic wall. so you here in new hampshire voters, you hear iowa voters, they are not always in lockstep. what does history tell us? >> that's why this is so interesting, anderson. this is the 2016 map. remember, donald trump's worst first win came in new hampshire. the voters there say he has a pretty healthy lead, even the voters who are not written, at the moment, right. in iowa, ted cruz won it back in 2016, but donald trump we were there just last month, the month before, not from his very strong there now. and yet, these states are so different. how is donald trump ahead in these two states?
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look at this, this is the 2016. let me turn right back. this is the 2016 primary election. look how different. iowa, 70% of the voters were republicans. in new hampshire, that's only 59%, because only 20% in iowa are independents. look at that, more than four in ten voters in new hampshire primary back in 2016, and likely again this time around, are independents. look at the difference ideologically, 40% of the iowa voters in 2016, very conservative. new hampshire, only 26%. evangelical questions, really easy to find in iowa. and guess what, of the electorate in the caucuses last time, more than six and ten. it's hard to find in new hampshire, only a quarter. and yet as of today, look how different these two states electorates are. all right, very different electorates, very different terms their ideology. and yet, donald trump is way ahead in both states, which makes in the faraway front runner, not impossible to be, but very very hard to beat. >> but did you get a grasp on the level of excitement that exist for trump in new hampshire this? time >> if you listen, what was interesting is that there is no question that trump has a lead. and everybody, again, even people in our -- think it's a pretty sizable lead. but it is so interesting, the biggest takeaway for me, the biggest takeaway was the disillusion across the board, which is why some republicans are going into robert f. kennedy junior. but among trump voters, so many of them, anderson, said i am with him now, but it is not like 2015, it is not as exciting as early 2016. and some of them said, as we
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get closer to the primary, they haven't set the date yet, but will be probably in january, that if desantis. they both mentioned desantis, but if somebody else was surging, maybe they would reconsider. so trump has a big lead, now make no mistake about that. take nothing i say to make you think that trump is not way ahead. but you do sense some vulnerabilities. the question, is in a crowded field, can anybody take advantage of it? we have lived that before. >> john, stanley is liquid therapy bar look like a lot of fun, how is the craft beer? >> it was awesome anderson, come along, come along in the next trip. but i'm laughing about it, but stanley tremblay was actually really fasting to me. this is my tenth presidential campaign, that vietnam veteran cares what his committee, votes in local elections, has the local of officials into his pub. but won't vote in national politics because he is discussed, that is a problem. >> yeah, i would love to go there sometime. john king, thanks so much. >> it's on me. >> coming up, a major diplomatic conflict between canada and india. canada's prime minister says there are credible allegations tying india to the assassination of a canadian citizen and sikh activists on canadian soil. we will have the latest on that, next. do this last year?
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anger, outrage, and calls for action against in the, after an explosive allegation by the canadian prime minister on the floor of that country's parliament on monday. justin trudeau said there are, quote, credible allegations and a tie india's government to the murder of a canadian citizen and well-known leader in the sikh, with ties to separatists in the community. the murder occurred in june on canadian soil. trudeau said today he was not
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trying to provoke india, but since the allegations, both countries expelled senior diplomats in both the u.s. and british governments today called the charges quote, serious allegations. -- has more. >> hardeep singh nijjar was just steps away from the temple he led and worship, when canadian police say he was shot several times by a mass gunman, who had mark him for murder, as he sat in his great truck. police say the suspect then fled on foot, possibly in this car, a silver tiona camry. canadian police released this image, pleading for the public 's help. that was mid june, there has been no trace of the car, or suspects since. the trail had gone cold. but many in this sikh community in british columbia, believe it had all the hallmarks of a political assassination. and then, in a stunning disclosure, their suspicions
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were voiced, by canadian prime minister justin trudeau. >> any involvement, of a foreign government, in the killing of a canadian citizen, on canadian soil, is an unacceptable violation of our sovereignty. he cited credible intelligence, that the indian government may have ordered nijjar skilling. >> the government of india needs to take this matter with the utmost seriousness. we are doing this, we are not looking to provoke, or us good. we are simply laying out the facts, as we understand them. and i would want to work with the government of india. >> nijjar lawyer confirms to cnn that canadian intelligence officials warned the sikh leader that his life was in danger. >> did they offer any protection? >> they did not offer any protection, but they advised him to relocate.
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they advised him, do not go to work. besides giving advice about how to safeguard his life, they did not give him any protection. the in the >> the indian government has denied allegations linking it to the killing. trudeau says he confronted indian prime minister miranda modi with the accusations, at the g 20 summit last week. but modi would not accept his claims. trudeau, instead, went public with the accusations, but not before speaking with u. s. president joe biden, and other allies. this audacious killing, in front of a place of worship, is now no closer to being solved. canada and india have traded -for-tat diplomatic expulsions, with india firing back that canada shelters terrorists and extremists. at issue is sikh independents. india has long sought to put down the separatist movement to divide india, and it labeled nijjar a wanted terrorist in 2022. while canada is leaning on what it describes as solid evidence, canadian police are still
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asking for the public's help, telling cnn, this homicide remains a priority investigation. >> you know anderson, make no mistake, the thought that india possibly, allegedly, reached right into canada, and pulled the trigger on someone they wanted to silence for political reasons, it is chilling to the sikh community, and all of canada really. at issue here as well, is the white house. biden's indo-pacific strategy, they hardly wanted, this when they are trying to use india, certainly, as a counterbalance to china. having said that, unless trudeau can actually understand the evidence and show the evidence. or, if they get the suspects, it is revealed in court. i think most allies, including the white house, are ready to just stay on the silence of this one, and watch it unfold. >> -- thanks so much.
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we also have new information on a court hearing in moscow today, evolving wall street journal reporter evan gershkovich, and whether he would remain detained well awaiting trial. gershkovich, as you know, was arrested in march on a reporting trip. russia is -- accused him of trying to obtain state secrets in the journal, and they have denied the allegations. the u.s. has said he is wrongfully detained. our matthew chance in moscow, and he is at the courthouse today, where he briefly sawgrass coach. >> okay, we've been led into the courthouse, where you can see that gershkovich is in there. hi matthew, from cnn. is that you holding up all right? no questions, okay. understood. okay well there he is, standing, or you can see him. looking relaxed, all the
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cameras being allowed in to take a closer look at him. the security is very tied, or what is the problem? >> -- -- [inaudible] [inaudible] [speaking in a non-english language] [speaking in a non-english language] >> okay, what do you want us to do? hot >> max, it's okay, it's okay. >> i'm joined now by chief global affairs correspondent matthew chance in moscow. it looks certainly tense, there can use when that moment in court today, that we just saw? >> i mean i think i can, in the sense that yeah, we walked into the courtroom, as you see, and i said hello to evan gershkovich. and, my camera man was filming the scene, and we were prepared to record something for broadcast later. but the security services there, and the court authorities moved very quickly to stop us. they didn't like the fact that i had asked questions, they didn't like the fact that i had communicated with evan, or that we weren't just filming him sort of, tight and close. they want you to stand there with the camera, and pointed right to evan gershkovich, and not say anything, which of course is very hard,
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particularly when, on the other side of that glass cages a colleague, and somebody you know. and i just thought it was the right thing to do, to sort of speak to him. but anyway, they -- pretty quickly. shortly afterwards, the court session wasn't very long in all honesty. and shortly afterwards, his appeal against his pre trial detention extension, which has been extended to november the -- fifth that was denied. and so, the appeal was a failure, as expected, because this is not the first time that this has happened. and every time there is an
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extension on his detention, he appeals, it and the appeal is that he has denied that it happened again, this time as well. >> the u.s. ambassador to russia -- was able to meet with gershkovich on friday, how u. s. authorities made any comment on his continue detention? >> well they have, i mean they have been absolutely scathing about the fact that russia continues to hold evan gershkovich, and other u.s. citizens, particularly paul whelan, also held for espionage. and, -- the u.s. ambassador said, that when she came at the court down the steps outside the courthouse, after the hearing ended. and, she made her point, again, that this was fundamentally wrong, that evan gershkovich, she denies, and the american
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government deny that he engaged in any kind of espionage on their behalf. and she pointed out again, how fundamentally wrong it is that he is being held by the russians. take a listen. >> evan is fully aware of the gravity of his situation. and yet, he remains strong. true to his profession, evan is always eager to discuss the latest headlines. he knew, for example, that his parents had delivered a petition to the united nations last week, a petition that calls on the u. n. to make clear that he has been arbitrarily detained, and to push for his immediate release. >> well, ambassador tracy went on to say that journalism is not a crime. but of course you know, sometimes in russia it feels a bit like it is. >> matthew chance, thank you. coming up next, more fallout for comedian and youtuber russell brand, as he faces multiple sex abuse allegations, and denies any wrongdoing. . because, it's like a family thing! [ engine revving ] ♪ ♪ made it! mom! leave running behind, behind. the new turbocharged volkswagen atlas. does life beautifully. if you have medicare and medicaid unitedhealthcare's dual complete plans come with the ucard — the simple member card to use for your plan benefits. get credit every month to pay for healthy food... -hmm! utilities... and more over-the-counter items at no extra cost to you with unitedhealthcare.
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tonight, british comedian russell brand's block for making money from his show on youtube. the bbc has pulled some of the shows from their streaming service, and it's a multi city comedy tour is on hold. all of this, as he now faces sexual assault allegations from at least four women, hitting us far back as 2006. allegations that he denies. more now from three 60s randi kaye. >> russell -- engaged in behaviors, of a groomer, looking back on it. i don't even know what that was then, or with that look like. this woman says she was 16, when actor russell brand first took an interest in her. at the time, he was 31. the woman says randall furred her as, the child, and that he tried to separate her from her parents. >> he would try to drive a wedge between me and my parents, taught me to lie to them. i was at my dad's house, and it was 11:00 at night. russell was texting he was like, please come over here, i need to see you, i'm really upset, i
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need to see you. >> their relationship allegedly last about three months, and according to the alleged victims, brandi forced her to perform oral sex on him. >> i couldn't breathe, he was just choking, me i couldn't breathe. i was pushing the, way and pushing them away. and, he wasn't, he wasn't backing off at all. and so i am not having to punch a really hard in the stomach, to get him off. and then he, he like he fell backwards. and i was crying and he said, oh i only want to see your a scar run anyway. >> the allegations were raised, as part of a joint investigative report from three british media outlets. this woman, along with three others, are accusing brand of sexual assault in separate instances, allegedly occurring between 2006 and 2013. the women chose not to be identified by name, and cnn has not been able to independently verify their claims. rand took to social media before the investigation had even published, to preemptively deny the wrongdoings. >> amidst this litany of astonishing, rather barack attacks, are some very serious allegations, that i absolutely
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refute. as i've written about extensively in my books, i was very, very promiscuous. now during that time of promiscuity, the relationships i had were absolutely, always consensual. >> despite brands denial, fallout from the sexual assault allegations has been swift. just one day after the report was published, the london metropolitan police said they have opened an investigation into one of the allegations of sexual assault. but, they did not name brand, saying, quote, we are aware reporting that the sunday times and channel 4's dispatch about allegations of sexual offenses. on sunday, 17th of september, the met received a report of a sexual assault, which was alleged to have taken place in soho in central london, in 2003. officers are in contact with the woman, and will be providing her with support. brand has also postponed the remaining dates of his comedy tour, and youtube has suspended his channels revenue stream. >> there is the idea of sex. we like it. we like it [applause] >> brand has been very open about his past struggles with sex addiction, and often
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incorporated sexual exploits into his standup routine. >> sex is sort of a hobby, i like it. would you believe, that there are people that are trying to spoil that for me now? >> brand now says he may have been too open about his struggles, opening the door for others to attack him. >> i was always transparent about that then, almost two transparent, and i'm being transparent about it now as well. and you see that transparency metastasize into something criminal, that i absolutely deny, makes me question, is there another agenda at play. >> and anderson, these allegations go back more than a decade. so the question of course is, why are these women coming forward now? the reporters involved in this joint investigation say the women are coming forward, and agreeing to talk with reporters, because they saw the success that brand had as a wellness influencer recently, and so that's why they agreed to talk. and it's also worth noting that
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the supporters say they have evidence to support these women's claims. they say that they have text messages, private emails, notes from therapists who treated these women. and it is also important to note, just the date of these allegations. this was at the height of russell brands fame. he had a show on bbc radio, he had a show on channel 4 in the uk, he had married popstar katy perry in 2010, they divorced a couple of years later. and he was in hollywood, he was making movies as well. so, he had a lot of success in his life, at that time, anderson. >> randi, thanks very much, we'll be right back.
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