current technology, two-sided platforms, network effects, that simply did not exist at the time of the last set of merger guidelines were passed. >> thank you, attorney general. just briefly in closing, last year you spoke on the subject and said that doj's enforcement against corporate crime has waxed and waning, but it's waxing again. that's news to my ears. i yield back. >> the gentleman from texas is recognized. >> mr. garland, what is a confidential human source? >> well, it's a -- it's an fbi term. i don't know all the technicality. >> let me define it for you. it's in your own policy here. an individual who is believed to be providing useful and credible information to the fbi from any authorized information collection activity and from whom with the fbi expects or intends to obtain useful and credible information in the future. whose identity, information or

relationship with the fbi warrants confidential handling. you pay them $42 million a year. did you know that? you're paying these sources 42 million a year. did you know that. >> i know informants are paid. >> it's 42 million a year. do you believe that they're credible, they're valuable. we're paying them a lot of money, would you agree with them? >> i would agree. >> very good. let me paint the picture for america. hunter biden joins burisma in 2014. he has no experience in oil and gas. i have a dad. i have with me a document. have you seen this. you're familiar with it? >> yes -- >> it's used by the fbi in america. it is a confidential human source reporting document dated june 2020. you're familiar with it? in this document, the fbi's

confidential human source says, burisma, needed to keep hunter on the board so everything would be okay and according to the human source, they hired hunter biden to, quote, protect us through his dad for all kinds of problems. mr. garland, does that concern you? it should. i got limited time. remember your sources are credible, trustworthy, honest and valuable. are you familiar with victory shokin? >> the document -- >> who is mr. victor shokin. i have three minutes left. who is he? >> i don't know. >> here's the first prosecutor that was -- he overseeing all the corruption in ukraine. we know there's corruption over there. for the american people watching, after a few months, a few months after hunter biden joined the burisma board, he was named prosecutor general for ukraine to target corruption and one of his investigations was into burisma. in this document, the human

source clarified that burisma's ceo said he has many text messages and recordings that show he was coerced to make such payment to ensure victor shokin was fired. it's clear, joe biden wanted shokin fired so he would stop looking into burisma where hunter was on the board. would you agree? let's let the american people decide. play the clip. play the clip. >> remember going over, convincing our team, others to convince him that we should be providing for lone guarantees. i went over, i guess, the 12th, 13th time to kyiv and i was going to -- supposed to announce that there's another billion dollar loan guarantee. i had gotten a commitment from poroshenko that they would take action against the state prosecutor and they didn't. they said -- they were walking out of the press conference and i said, i'm not going to -- we're not going to give you the

billion dollars. they said, you have no authority. you're not the president. the president said -- i said, call him. i said, i'm telling you, you're not getting the billion dollars. i said, you're not getting the billion. i'm going to be leaving here and i think it was, what, six hours, i said i'm leaving in six hours. if the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money. well, son of a bitch, he got fired. >> there you go. what you just saw, there was joe biden in his arrogance and role as the vice president of this country saying if you don't fire shokin, the united states isn't giving the $1 billion loan. why would joe biden say that as the vice president? was it policy? was it our policy at the time? yes or no? it wasn't. i have documents here. interagency policy -- >> is the gentleman ever -- >> i'm on my time. pipe down. >> the time belongs to the gentleman from texas.

>> he's made significant reforms. john kerry says he was impressive. within a few months after shokin was injured, they appoint a prosecutor that said we're not going to look into burisma anymore. boom, here comes the million dollars. joe biden threatened the ukrainian president and the prime minister. everybody can see it to fire shokin if that is not quid pro quo, what is? it's bribery and it's impeachable. are you going to do something about it? i bet you're not and that's why you, sir, also need to be impeached. i yield back. >> the time of the gentleman has expired. the chair now recognizes the gentleman from texas. >> attorney general, you were a line assistant u.s. attorney for years and a federal judge after that. you have significant experience with the progress surrounding criminal investigations.

what's the normally process for obtaining and executing a search warrant? >> you go to a federal judge, you present an afterfidavit. the federal judge looks at it and makes a determination whether it has proubable cause and it's executed. >> what's the purpose of a search warrant? >> to find either -- to find evidence of a crime for which there has to be probable cause that it's in that location. >> when executing a search warrant on location that may contain evidence of a crime, what benefits are there for doing so without notifying the defendant or the target of the investigation or his attorney ahead of time, the execution of the search warrant is forthcoming? >> sometimes you make notifications, sometimes you don't. if you think that the person who has the evidence of a crime is

obstructing justice or is going to move the evidence or will see con secret it, you warn them in advance. if you don't have those concerns, then you give advance notice. >> you do so because sometimes they're going to move the evidence if you give them a heads-up, correct? >> it's a general hypothetical manner, yes. >> in most instances in your experience, decades of law enforcement, have you seen that more times than not you give a heads-up to the defendant or is it odd to give a heads-up to the defendant? >> i can't actually make a statistical resolution. i think it's the case that the government tries to use less intrusive methods if they can. if they can't use more intrusive, more emergency methods. >> when you're going to execute a search warrant, typically i think people would understand this, you would not give the

heads-up. would you agree with that? >> as a general matter, that's correct. >> gary shaply, one of the whistle-blowers testified that leslie wonderful told investigators optics were a driving factor in the decision not to request a search warrant at the guest house where hunter biden had stayed for a time. there was more than enough probable cause for the physical search warrant there but the question was whether the juice was worth the squeeze and she further said a lot of evidence would be found in the former guest house, but there's no way investigators will get that approved. do you agree that optics of an investigation should be the driving factor in law enforcement decisions when investigating potential crimes? >> i have to say, again, as i said before, singling out assistant u.s. attorneys is a dangerous matter. the supervisor of that case. mr. weiss, he's the one who made the decisions in that case. he is the one who can answer

questions as to whether those things happened -- >> let's just take the statement generally. do you believe that optics of an investigation should be a driving factor in law enforcement decisions as to whether or not to execute a se search warrant or not. >> the justice department has standards for its work and improper considerations are not part of those. the only questions are those driven by the fact and is the law. >> mr. shaply testified wolf object today a search warrant for a storage unit containing all the documents from the vacated office of the law firm owned by hunter biden. they scheduled a call with u.s. attorney weiss who agreed they could search the unit if it rem rem remained abandoned for 30 days. but they reached out to tell them about the storage unit, ruining the chance to access critical evidence. in your experience, as you said earlier, this is not the typical

thing that happens, correct? >> once again, i don't know anything about these allegations. i don't know whether they are correct or not. these are questions most appropriately put to mr. weiss at the appropriate time and to be covered in his report if he thinks that's the appropriate way to resolve it. >> can you conceive of a reason why mr. weiss or ms. wolf would have given a heads-up to hunter biden's legal team that a search of the storage unit was forthcoming? >> i'm not going to get involved in that. >> for somebody who was delaying obtaining potential evidence in the case, do you think it was appropriate that then she was involved with the negotiation of the irs deal with hunter biden? >> i'm not -- i'm not actually following the question. assistant u.s. attorney who is participate in investigation also participate in prosecutions. is that what you're asking? >> attorney general, i appreciate your time here today. but i'm concerned that these

facts are just some examples of what's been going on here where -- i know my time is out. i yield back. thank you. >> the gentleman from maryland is recognized for unanimous consent. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i guess i had my five minutes. i would ask for the unanimous consent to offer some exhibits. first, i would offer -- >> without objection. >> the march 31, 2023, letter in response to the committee. i would offer the letter from attorney abby lowell, hunter biden's attorney dated september 14th, 2023 and its attachments. i would offer the letter from ms. willis to the chairman on september 7, 2023. >> without objection. >> and i would offer this

article from cnn, top irs official latest witness to dispute allegations from whistle-blower on hunter biden tax case. >> no objection. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> you bet. the gentle -- the gentleman from -- the gentle lady from wyoming. >> we have been investigating very serious charges made about your department and other elements of the biden administration which allege ignoring the law to protect political allies from being held accountable for their wrongdoing. one aspect of this allegation brought by two very credible whistle-blowers from the irs demonstrates a strategy of delaying criminal investigation into hunter biden and blocking any investigations into the corruption of joe biden. the whistle-blower testimony notes that u.s. attorney david weiss in november 2022 allowed the statute of limitations to

expire, even though hunter biden's attorney had already agreed to extend the statute on the 2014 and 2015 charges which included attempt to evade taxes and the false statements related to the million dollars that burisma paid to hunter biden while his father was vice president. during a recent transcribed interview with the committee, fbi officials from the baltimore field office refused to answer questions about the expired 2014 and 2015 tax charges because they were allegedly part of a, quote, ongoing investigation. are the tax charges related to these years, in fact, part of an ongoing investigation? >> again, i have no familiarity with the details of this particular investigation. >> so you don't know one way or the other? >> that's right. i left it up to -- >> how are charges for which the statute of limitations have already expired part of an ongoing investigation? >> again, i -- i don't know anything about this case.

>> why would charges that have already expired because of the statute of limitations be part of an ongoing investigation? >> to answer in the hypothetical, because i don't know the facts, often charges from previous times are used as part of an ongoing investigation -- >> we've been listening to the attorney general testify before the house judiciary committee. at times, a very heated hearing as republicans have been questioning the attorney general over his involvement or lack there have in the hunter biden probe as well as investigations into former president donald trump. we're joined by evan perez who has been watching the hearing very closely. evan, garland has been grilled repeatedly about the trump investigation, hunter biden investigation, he is not really offering specifics which is par for the course. >> right. it's what we expected. and, you know, one of the things that he has repeatedly said, you should ask david weiss who is

the trump-appointed u.s. attorney who has overseen this investigation for almost five years. he's also now a special counsel and, by the way, the justice department offered for the committee to -- back in july, they offered him to come in and do an interview. and my understanding is that the committee only in the last couple of days has come back with -- to set up a date for such an interview. it appears manu raju has heard from his sources that jim jordan wants to talk to a bunch of other people before he talks to david weiss. and they've been bringing in a lot of witnesses to try to figure out what was going on behind the scenes in this investigation. which, by the way, you know, there's legitimate questions, to ask about what's be going on for 4 1/2, five years on an investigation like this and the justice department should be able to answer some of those. what i found remarkable today, though, was the number of times that republicans on this panel were just asking the same question over and over, knowing what they were going to get.

and they seem to be hung up on one particular detail about whether david weiss really had the authority he had and they were going around in circles because the answer was, garland has said what he said. if you need more authority or if you want to bring charges and jurisdictions when you're -- that are not delaware, you can let me know and you'll have that authority. i think we have some sound from the hearing where some of that is -- goes over. let's listen. >> quote mr. weiss has full authority to bring cases in other jurisdictions if he feels it's necessary. that was your respond to senator grassley's question on march of 2023. only problem is, he had already been turned down by the u.s. attorney in the district of columbia, mr. graves. he didn't have full authority, did he? >> i had an extended conversation with senator grassley at the time. we briefly touched on the

section 515 question and how that process went. i have never been suggested -- >> my point is simple. you said he had complete authority but he had already been turned down, he wanted to bring an action in the district of columbia and the u.s. attorney there said, no, you can't, and you tell the united states senate that he has complete authority. >> i'm going to say that no one had the authority to turn him down. they could refuse to partner with him -- >> and so that's where this is sort of going around in circles. in the end, what garland is saying is true. the justice department rules, if you in delaware, the u.s. attorney, wants to bring charges in d.c. or in l.a., they can ask to partner with those u.s. attorneys. they can't be blocked, right? he can't be blocked by the u.s. attorneys, and so there's this sort of misunderstanding of the way things work that works for jim jordan and the political point he's trying to make, but the attorney general i think is saying what the facts are and so

that's one of the issues here. i think it doesn't matter really in the end, though, as you know, from watching some of these hearings over the years, there's a political point being made and it doesn't really matter what the answer is. >> the political point that they have to make is they try to undercut this -- all of these proceedings, is undercutting david weiss who let's remind people, he's a trump appointee and you have ken buck who is a republican saying, if merrick garland had decided to pick someone else besides david weiss to do this, he would be facing the same kind of criticism from republicans. they're going to criticize him no matter what. i think what strikes me is, look, this is so much of what we're watching here, an unserious circus. it's a parade of long debunked narratives and misinformation whether it is jim jordan talking about donald trump doing everything that is asked about him when it comes to his documents at mar-a-lago, which

we certainly know he did not. you have so much reporting on that and you wouldn't have spent months doing it if that were the case. from this thing about the ukrainian prosecutor, i mean, we know the facts on that. it's so clear. >> right. and, look, part of this is building up to what is coming next which is this -- the beginning of their impeachment inquiry. and so what this is, this is sort of getting the -- their base and their audience sort of ginned up for what is coming attractions, right? and so they knew they weren't going to be able to get a lot of the answers from the attorney general. in the end, david weiss is the person in charge of this. and so -- but, you know, again, if you're trying to build towards the impeachment inquiry which is what they're trying to do, you know, that's what the purpose of today was. >> when they would let him answer questions. at times, it seems he would start to make a sound and immediately they would interrupt him. >> political theater. >> coming up, more than 300

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chuck schumer is backtracking on his refusal to hold confirmation votes for individual military leaders after tommy tubberville threatened to use a rare maneuver. he's holding up senate confirmation of more than 300 general and flag officers in opposition to the abortion travel policy for service members and their families. schumer preempted the maneuver announcing stand alone votes on the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and the army chief of

staff. >> besides the most extreme elements of the republican party, no one thinks this is a good idea. and in the face of that opposition, it seems that senator tubberville is becoming more and more desperate to get out of the box he has put himself in. he's desperate to shift the responsibility onto others. but i've made it clear that we will not allow anyone to shift this onto democrats. the senate should not have to go through procedural hoops just to please one brazen and misguided senator. but this is where we are. >> joining us now is democratic congressman from massachusetts seth molten who is a veteran of the marine corps himself. was this the right move, sir? >> fundamentally, it's not the right move because it sets a terrible precedent. there are 300 officer and is their families who are waiting

for appointments. it's not just paralyzing the top levels of our military, the most famous folks that you see on tv. it's paralyzing the entire top level of our officer corps. what i've heard from a lot of these officers is that they're considering getting out. so senator tuberville is decimating our ranks. senator schumer was forced by tuberville to vote on the commandant, but we cannot go forward this way. if you have individual votesen every single nominee, you risk politicizing every single one of these votes until you find a nominee who is very well qualified militarily, but some senators happen to disagree with whatever political views he has, and all of a sudden you refuse that nomination, you're politicizing the military.

there are big ger costs to what this football coach is doing. >> you know, and i hear you on that. but do you think there might be a case for schumer calling tubberville's bluff, showing americans what it really is to go through this process of approving general and flag officers one by one. might that create the pressure that is needed to move tubberville here? >> look, i'm not disagrees with senator schumer's decision here given tubberville's move to just have a vote on the commandant -- >> i'm talking about going beyond these three and just eating up time on the senate floor to make the point of what tubberville is really asking for. should he consider that, schumer? >> i mean, maybe he should consider it. it's his job how to figure out how to run the senate. but the bottom line is, look, we're in washington right now because republicans can't even fund the government. they couldn't even pass the bill to pay the troops this week.

they couldn't even pass the rule to get to that vote. that's like not striking out in baseball, but simply crashing and burning between the dugout and the batter's box. didn't even make to it a vote. that's how much disarray the republican party is in right now. if we can't fund the government, we can't approve military promotions. we've got really, really big problems here. and it's all because of the republican party has become sub servant to this extremist wing represented by tubberville. >> even republicans think t tubberville is going about this wrong. are democrats going to the mat here over a policy that turns out service members and their families can't even really use? "politico" is reporting that a dozen service members have

actually used this policy. >> it doesn't matter how many people have used it. what matters is we don't have a caste system in our military that you don't get the health care that you need if you're a woman. what message does that send to every person who might consider joining the military during a recruitment crisis. the idea that it's separate but equal in our military, that you don't get access to health care if you're a woman because you're stationed in a state that does not allow certain type of health care like abortions is fundamentall fundamental fundamentally antithetical to our country. the d.o.d. is not paying for abortions. it's simply allowing military members to take leave to go get health care that they need if it's not offered in the state where they happen to get stationed. >> it is -- i will be clear. it is paying for the travel.

it is not paying for the procedure. i only say that because i made that point to your colleague michael waltz and he dismissed that idea. but certainly, no, they are not paying for the procedure -- >> that's the truth. >> they're paying for the travel and allowing the leave. >> that's right. you're right. it's not just an idea, it's the truth. you're right, that's what's at stake here. it just shows how small senator tuberville is. what men and women put on the line, the sacrifices that they are willing to make for our country and, by the way, the sacrifices that they're families make. by holding up all of these military promotions, it also means that all of these kids of military families who are trying to go to school, who are trying to start their school year in the new community in which they'll be living, they weren't able to do that.

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happening right now, house republicans are meeting on the hill as the nation moves closer to a government shutdown. in just ten days, on september 30th, the funding runs out for many federal agencies. the impasse is so severe that lawmakers can't even agree on the band-aid, a stop-gap resolution to kick the can down the road. the stalemate is all inside the republican party because far-right hard-liners will not budge on their spending cuts. one veteran republican said his conference is, quote, being dragged down by 20 people.

but 200 of us are in agreement. they want their way or the highway. manu raju joins us now live from capitol hill. m speaker kevin mccarthy said there was progress today. bring us up to speed with what's happening. >> there have been urgent talks all day long to figure out a way republicans can get on the same page on the stopgap measure to keep the government open. just about a one-month plan, a band-aid of sorts before they try to negotiate the larger package. but there are sharp disagreements about how to move ahe ahead. in a few minutes, they'll meet behind me. it's not just between conservatives and moderates, but a division between conservatives themselves. the real challenge for kevin mccarthy is that if he goes too far to the right and gives into the demands, he'll lose

modemod moderates. and a number from those conservatives that if he works with democrats to keep the government open, it could cost speaker mccarthy his job. that's a warning leveled by matt gaetz, someone who has been threatening to force a vote, reiterating that threat moments to me saying if mccarthy does try to cut a bipartisan deal, he will no longer be speaker. >> with all due respect to certain colleagues, let them explain why they don't support that. it's completely inexplicable and i think it's indefensible. here we sit. now we got to figure out how to move the ball forward. we had agreement with people across the conference -- >> could the speaker's job be in peril? >> it wouldn't be a good move. >> if he relies on democrats to pass a continuing resolution, i would call the capitol moving truck to his office soon because my expectation would be he would be out of the speaker's office promptly. >> i would never like to see a shutdown. if that's where it's going,

that's where it's going. >> and that last comment, something that has been echoed up and down the line about the growing expectation that a shutdown will happen here, how they get out of it remains to be scene. as i mention, they don't have to get it out of the house, they got to get an agreement because the senate and they're on different pages between the senate and the house. having the president sign this into law as well, so many questions here on capitol hill as the speaker's job also in a very tenuous position. boris? >> manu raju, keep us posted on what happens in that meeting. thanks so much. stay with cnn news central. we're back in just moments. this thing, it's making me get an ice bath again.

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apparently, ultimately, this may be decided by factors that are outside our control. >> we have everything that you need to know about what this means for you. >> yeah, i just want to stick with that clip for just a moment more. because the question that chairman powell was asked before the clip we heard there was, is a soft landing the baseline, being inflation coming in closer to target, 2%, without a recession. and jay powell said, no, no, no, i wouldn't say that. and then he said what you heard him say. not trying to box himself in in terms of what the path looks like ahead. he was asked about the uaw strike, the potential for a government shutdown, asked about student loan repayments and gas prices. on most of these topics, he didn't go into detail because of the obvious political nature, but he did say it's the strikes, the government shutdown, resumption of student loan payments, there are a lot of things that you can look at. what we try to do is assess all

of them and handicap all of them. ultimately, there are so much uncertainty around these things. he did, however, go into a bit more detail about the rise in energy prices. what we've seen at the bump, but also what we've seen in crude prices and he said if prices remain high for a sustained period of time, that's when it becomes more concerning for the fed in terms of its inflationary impact. but just to take a broader view in terms to have meeting, they paused again for the second time in six policy meetings, but left open the door that we will likely see another rate hike in the remaining two meetings this year. and looking ahead to 2024 and 2025, fewer rate cuts, so fewer rate cuts than we had been previously expecting. what means is that they expect rates to remain higher for longer. also something to point out here is that when you look at other economic indicators, gdp, unemployment, they expect those areas to hold up stronger than they previously had. but pausing, but certainly not

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all this week, we're bringing you stories of ordinary people who are breaking new ground. they are changing the way that things get done. and they're making the most of human potential. we call this champions for change. >> and today we're going to introduce you to jim acosta's champion. they say good friends aren't easy to come by in washington, d.c. the old adage is that you have should get a dog if you want a friend.

and jim found his through an organization that is traps forming the way that pets and animals are adopted in this country. take a look. >> what are you doing over here? as harry truman once said, if you want a friend in washington, get a dog. i was coming out of my seven or eight years at white house. i was suddenly burdened with extra time on my hands and i thought, hey, time to get a dog. this is duke. he is my rescue dog that i got from best friends. he was found in arkansas, mother was in an abandoned home. a lot of time with the rescue animals, they're coming out of bad situations. >> traditional animal sheltering has been around for 150 years. the status quo was we don't have a choice. it is a necessary evil in our society that we have to kill these animals. best friends really became the disruptor because they challenged the status quo. why don't we talk about how to

best save our best friends. rather than how to best kill our best friends. >> julie is a remarkable person. she started in 1996. she was employee number 17 here. and became the ceo of this amazing organization. what they're trying to do is transform the animal rescue pet adoption experience. this is where best friends basically runs their operations. here in the southwest. it is a speblctacular setting a it is inviting for someone interested in adopting a pet, could go and see pigs and goats and horses and you saw dogs and cats. there were turtles and parrots and cockatoos. i felt like dr. doolittle. >> what we do here is so unique so we're able to help animals that most other organizations

couldn't. >> these raren't throw away animals. these are precious sentient beings that deserve a second chance at life. >> the arkansas facility, you could describe that. >> bentonville was an opportunity to reimagine your walking into this bright, cool environment with a coffee shop and know cages. you could participate in that life-saving. in a way that is similar to something like an apple store. >> the arkansas facility is important to me because that is where i got my pet from. when you look at who is going in there, you see a lot of young people. >> this is two months old. >> we've always been dog people and we just lost one and we wanted to get another. >> it is a different experience. >> they want you and the dog to be taken care of. >> you're trying to transform the way people think about pet adoption. it is a cool place to go to pick

up a pet. back in 1984 when best friends got started they tell us that there was something in the neighborhood of 17 million animals that were killed in this country. now there is about 378,000 last year. and best friends is the leader in that movement. they like to get to this place where the united states is a no-kill country, essentially, by 2025. >> the bench mark for no kill is 90%. roughly 10% of animals that are entering america's shellers probably are too sick to be saved. so it is that 90% benchmark that we're after. >> and you this i it is possible? >> absolutely. >> and we have jim here to share this remarkable story. just incredible worth work that they're doing. >> it is. and what jewel wray was saying

they're on the verge of doing something remarkable. we live in a country where we don't kill animals and animal shelters any more. they're trying to get to a place where we're a no kill country by 2025. that is just a year and a half from now and what they want to do is get it down to 90% of animals coming in, get adopted and 10% are too sick and so it is a remarkable goal. and you could understand why their successful. you go out to their facility in utah, it is like an animal rescue and the facility is like an apple store and their putting these locations around the country to transform the animal adoption so it is not a sad and scary place where the dogs are crying and it does make a huge difference. >> i had no idea that would be possible. when they said 2025. that is stunning to me. but this idea of making it a place with people want to come, but also with animals could be, so if they aren't too sick.

but animals could have behavioral issues and that is something that they could help them deal with. >> and i got duke when he was a puppy and that is important to me but they have senior citizen dogs and when i went out to utah, i wanted to take all of them with me. that is their secret sauce at best friends. you want to take an animal home. and it does seem to be working. they're sharing their secrets with other animal shelters not affiliated with them around the country and finding this approach working and more and more getting down that to goal. we'll have to keep tabs on this because it is a really amazing thing that they're doing. >> such a great story. thank you for sharing. i did adopt a senior citizen dog and they come house broken. it is phenomenal. >> and they're love you forever. they bring so much joy into our lives. >> and thank you so much for sharing and cnn is sharing stories all week.

tune in on saturday to feature all this year's cnn champions. >> thank you for sharing your afternoon with us on "cnn news central." we'll leave you in good hands with jake tapper because "the lead" starts in just a few minutes.s.

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